[Silchas Ruin]

Rashan, on 08 May 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

SR: umm, second vote on a revealed healer: that's just daft. Not only are you voting on the train that Merrid himself expected to get no traction, you are voting a revealed healer . Like, why?

I was obviously trying to catch the scum attempting a quickhammer!

But your questions blew it

[Silchas Ruin]

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 11:05 PM, said:

Rashan, on 08 May 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

SR: umm, second vote on a revealed healer: that's just daft. Not only are you voting on the train that Merrid himself expected to get no traction, you are voting a revealed healer . Like, why?

I was obviously trying to catch the scum attempting a quickhammer!

(by scum I mean the whole scum team)

[Nimander Golit]

Please tell me that doesn't actually happen on d1.

[Silchas Ruin]

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

Please tell me that doesn't actually happen on d1.

Only couple of times a year

[Merrid]

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 11:27 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

Please tell me that doesn't actually happen on d1.

Only couple of times a year

What do you mean, those are some of our finest moments!

[Merrid]

Rashan, on 08 May 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

Merrid: I can understand his reaction and even the "this'll show him!" residual vote, but the implied passivity (and unwillingness to look beyond Nim) is worrying. IGMEOY.

Rashan, where is my vote currently?

[Silchas Ruin]

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 11:30 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 11:27 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

Please tell me that doesn't actually happen on d1.

Only couple of times a year

What do you mean, those are some of our finest moments!

I know! It sounded sad in my head.

[Denul]

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 11:43 PM, said:

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 11:30 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 11:27 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

Please tell me that doesn't actually happen on d1.

Only couple of times a year

What do you mean, those are some of our finest moments!

I know! It sounded sad in my head.

The last time we caught Scum on Day 1 (Blend) I got lynched on Day 2 (or close to it) for hammering!

-----

Regarding Symp coaching: Whether the Symp is a rookie or a grizzled vet, Scum doesn't know who they are one way or the other. It's irrelevant.

[Galain]

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

So...

Looking at the set-up, why should the doctor and bodyguard not claim d1 and target each other?

Wow. About x number of posts into the day and this gets thrown out there. Wow.

No talks about sex. No dragons. I HAVE to believe you are at worst symp but most likely town after a blunder like that. This very post could see you lynched and scum would avoid it at all costs.

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

So...

Looking at the set-up, why should the doctor and bodyguard not claim d1 and target each other?

talking about town rules is scummy

vote nim

No thought from Merrid except to just drop a vote.

Okay reading up further.

Nim votes Merrid back for the lack of substance in his post.

Right the obvious thing that springs to mind at this stage, if both revealed then one would die, ie the doctor cannot heal themselves and the bodyguard would die in their place, so we would lose the bodyguard first and then the doctor.

Nim must have thought about this. Makes me think symp. Continuing to read up.

[Galain]

Just read up on roles, with only a small number of players 2 dead town roles for 1 scum is not a bad exchange. Scum team wil, still be at 2.

1 lynch, 1 kill other than doctor, 8 left, 3 scum.

next day 1 lynch (7) 1 kill bodyguard and scum (5)

d day.

[Galain]

Yes I am liking Nim for Emancipor Reese aka symp boy.

[Galain]

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:07 PM, said:

Merrid, on 08 May 2017 - 03:03 PM, said:

Although on a slightly more serious note then the rest of thread gets slaughtered down to parity and loses.

For the benefit of two confirmed town that are a pita for scum to deal with.

It's a win/win.

But they would just *not* deal with them. Bole presents a chance for a revenge kill on a confirmed scum taking them by surprise and making them WIFOM every NK. By defining the target who activates it you make it supremely easy for scum to *not* get killed by it and to kill to direct thread how they will.

In return, our 20% chance of hitting scum gets bumped up to 25%, which is a huge benefit on d1 alone.

Two confirmed town that can't be safely killed is a powerful town tool.

There is zero guarantee that either would otherwise disrupt a scum kill, which makes your defense against the mass claim suspicious.

In fact, I will go ahead at this point and claim.

I am the doctor. Bodyguard, either speak up and get protected or don't and you're on your own.

Wow. Just fucking wow. No way. Symp trying to get the doctor to reveal? Actual doctor? I'll have to read up further for counter reveals and stuff. For fuck sake, if Nim is the doctor then he has played this game terribly wrong.

[Galain]

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

Merrid thinks I'm scum (obviously, considering his vote remains).

But he considers my push on him to be "no risk".

Am I the only one that sees the cognitive dissonance in play there?

I feel I need to step in here. He may not believe your reveal, he may be the real doctor not wanting to counter your claim. Hmm, his vote alone does not lynch you, you need 6 votes, so his vote, in a way, does not matter much yet. Up until this post I am coming to believe in your reveal. I am still catching up though and seeing what others have said.

[Galain]

Osseric, on 08 May 2017 - 07:01 PM, said:

Back and catching up. I for one miss the dragonsecks.

I don't like Nimander's reveal, but without a counter I think we can believe him.

Why is Merrid in a twist over it?

Vote Osseric

This is the type of post I have come to associate with scum especially in a situation like this. Nonchalant acceptance of the reveal because there is no counter and a question aimed at Merrid's play without actually delving deeper into it.

Compare it with say, Denul's jokeyness, Silchas/Merrid's seriousness. This post by Osseric is lacking in town presence. 100% scum.

[Galain]

So having read up I think we should believe Nim's reveal. I think Bodyguard should stay hidden and that we should lynch Osseric. He's my number one suspect, too much happening on thread for a post like his.

[Nimander Golit]

Although I can't argue the logic of Galain's vote, the way he switched gears doesn't sit well with me.

The tone feels off.

There he was, merrily tunneling away on me, then all of a sudden he drops a vote that is completely unrelated to the push he was building towards.

Could it be a case of read evolution? Possibly. New here, so I don't trust it. Looking forward to the opinions of others.

[Kilava]

Nimander Golit, on 09 May 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

Although I can't argue the logic of Galain's vote, the way he switched gears doesn't sit well with me.

The tone feels off.

There he was, merrily tunneling away on me, then all of a sudden he drops a vote that is completely unrelated to the push he was building towards.

Could it be a case of read evolution? Possibly. New here, so I don't trust it. Looking forward to the opinions of others.

To be fair to Galain, you were the star of the show yesterday, not much else to discuss while doing a readthrough. I quite like the Osseric vote - although it's essentially the same reason as I voted for Galain yesterday.

[Kilava]

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 11:07 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 08 May 2017 - 11:05 PM, said:

Rashan, on 08 May 2017 - 09:00 PM, said:

SR: umm, second vote on a revealed healer: that's just daft. Not only are you voting on the train that Merrid himself expected to get no traction, you are voting a revealed healer . Like, why?

I was obviously trying to catch the scum attempting a quickhammer!

(by scum I mean the whole scum team)

On d-day, sure. On day 1, I'm not sure I buy this reasoning. I wonder if you aren't retconning a reason after finding the pressure diverting on to you instead.

[Galain]

Nimander Golit, on 09 May 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

Although I can't argue the logic of Galain's vote, the way he switched gears doesn't sit well with me.

The tone feels off.

There he was, merrily tunneling away on me, then all of a sudden he drops a vote that is completely unrelated to the push he was building towards.

Could it be a case of read evolution? Possibly. New here, so I don't trust it. Looking forward to the opinions of others.

Hi

I am guilty of not fully processing my thoughts and expect you to understand them.

My basic train of thought was you were team scum until your reveal. Since I no longer see you as team scum, and take your reveal as face value because there is no counter, (unless Merrid wants to pipe up?) then I will look elsewhere for scum. That post by Osseric was a beacon, a huge beacon.

The very last game, it mimics this post, (which I will go and find)...

[Galain]

Rise of the sorcerer last game, scum tell. Which I picked up on.

Nimander Golit, on 26 April 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

Denul, on 26 April 2017 - 03:35 AM, said:

So there, two deaths, it's likely that Galain, at the very least, had a kill.

I personally believe his reveal, and am glad that he used the vig.

Now, let's see how fast you all jump on me today, right?

Mistake or something more? Merrid was the vig.

Are you suggesting Galain is scum?

See, they do not evolve their post, they do not push it, they do not engage in conversation in the day, and they give a suggestive place to look. Just like that post by Osseric.