[Rashan]

Oh, wait, new page?

[Nimander Golit]

Galain, on 09 May 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

and to clarify, team scum includes the symp,if you think I was thinking you were a killer because I was only ever thinking of you as a symp trying to draw out our roles.

I mean... I guess?

Is that the common assumption? Because if so, it's not at all what I'd expect.

I'm more used to the term "group scum", and the traitor (symp) is excluded from consideration as group scum and treated like solo scum even though it wins with group scum because it can't coordinate with group scum.

Remove vote

Vote silchas

[Galain]

Nimander Golit, on 09 May 2017 - 03:56 PM, said:

Galain, on 09 May 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

and to clarify, team scum includes the symp,if you think I was thinking you were a killer because I was only ever thinking of you as a symp trying to draw out our roles.

I mean... I guess?

Is that the common assumption? Because if so, it's not at all what I'd expect.

I'm more used to the term "group scum", and the traitor (symp) is excluded from consideration as group scum and treated like solo scum even though it wins with group scum because it can't coordinate with group scum.

Remove vote

Vote silchas

Wires crossed then, that's what I thought.

I will be around, say 9pmish, to see what's what. Leaving work soon, so it may just be a remove vote, place elsewhere if no one wants to lynch Ozzy.

[Rashan]

Yes, here "symp" is part of "team scum" . But we don't generally make "symp cases" , unless you feel you found something ironclad, precisely because of all the uncertainty such cases cause.

I'll have to re-read, but I don't recall anything Kilava saying being "wishy-washy", tbh.

[Nimander Golit]

Tbh, I could probably still vote Galain for symp hunting, because it's similar to the SK hunting tell on my old site.

Group scum at MS sometimes hints for the serial killer too detect from the fact they're not hunting group scum.

Team scum here may well do the same thing with symps.

[Nimander Golit]

Hunts* not hints

[Nimander Golit]

Nimander Golit, on 09 May 2017 - 04:06 PM, said:

Tbh, I could probably still vote Galain for symp hunting, because it's similar to the SK hunting tell on my old site.

Group scum at MS sometimes hunts for the serial killer to deflect from the fact they're not hunting group scum.

Team scum here may well do the same thing with symps.

Fixed

[Silchas Ruin]

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

Vote Kilava

For playing wishy-washy and trying to stay under the radar, also I considered my jokey tone to be pretty obvious in those posts that Kilava is refering to. Looks like he is aware of it but uses it to frame me.

At this point I'd be willing to switch to Osserc

If I was playing wishy-washy and trying to stay under the radar, not only would I not be among the higher posters, but I certainly would not have come to your attention A weak vote, made all the weaker by your "if Kilava proves too difficult for me to handle, I'm willing to vote elsewhere."

Posting too little draws attention too and you're sitting just in the middle with the amount of your posts. I never said that my vote's a strong one, but it's D1 and this is the direction I like the most so I decided to prod you.

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

Also,

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Ah I see you do later on address this when asked.

Silchas' reasoning after their vote does not strike me as particularly jokey, and that's what made me suspicious of it.

What's wrong with baiting all 4 of scum to qucikhammer?

FOUR scum?

Edit: 'mad' to 'made', 'to' to 'too'

Yes, FOUR (4)

[Galain]

Ah, my analysis would have continued further had you not done the reveal. I would have looked at why you would have been doing that, and with little on thread at the time, it may have been a fruitful look into those players.

[Galain]

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

Vote Kilava

For playing wishy-washy and trying to stay under the radar, also I considered my jokey tone to be pretty obvious in those posts that Kilava is refering to. Looks like he is aware of it but uses it to frame me.

At this point I'd be willing to switch to Osserc

If I was playing wishy-washy and trying to stay under the radar, not only would I not be among the higher posters, but I certainly would not have come to your attention A weak vote, made all the weaker by your "if Kilava proves too difficult for me to handle, I'm willing to vote elsewhere."

Posting too little draws attention too and you're sitting just in the middle with the amount of your posts. I never said that my vote's a strong one, but it's D1 and this is the direction I like the most so I decided to prod you.

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

Also,

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Ah I see you do later on address this when asked.

Silchas' reasoning after their vote does not strike me as particularly jokey, and that's what made me suspicious of it.

What's wrong with baiting all 4 of scum to qucikhammer?

FOUR scum?

Edit: 'mad' to 'made', 'to' to 'too'

Yes, FOUR (4)

Broach,Bauchalain and Emancipor. Who is the fourth?

[Galain]

Kilava was the 4th person to post if that is what you are getting at.

[Galain]

Right, I am out. Going home.

[Silchas Ruin]

Galain, on 09 May 2017 - 04:10 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

Also,

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Ah I see you do later on address this when asked.

Silchas' reasoning after their vote does not strike me as particularly jokey, and that's what made me suspicious of it.

What's wrong with baiting all 4 of scum to qucikhammer?

FOUR scum?

Edit: 'mad' to 'made', 'to' to 'too'

Yes, FOUR (4)

Broach,Bauchalain and Emancipor. Who is the fourth?

Uhm that's the joke. I could have hardly been hunting for scum quickhammer if there's only three of them and there were four votes left.

[Rashan]

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

Vote Kilava

For playing wishy-washy and trying to stay under the radar, also I considered my jokey tone to be pretty obvious in those posts that Kilava is refering to. Looks like he is aware of it but uses it to frame me.

At this point I'd be willing to switch to Osserc

If I was playing wishy-washy and trying to stay under the radar, not only would I not be among the higher posters, but I certainly would not have come to your attention A weak vote, made all the weaker by your "if Kilava proves too difficult for me to handle, I'm willing to vote elsewhere."

Posting too little draws attention too and you're sitting just in the middle with the amount of your posts. I never said that my vote's a strong one, but it's D1 and this is the direction I like the most so I decided to prod you.

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 03:49 PM, said:

Also,

Silchas Ruin, on 09 May 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

Kilava, on 09 May 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Ah I see you do later on address this when asked.

Silchas' reasoning after their vote does not strike me as particularly jokey, and that's what made me suspicious of it.

What's wrong with baiting all 4 of scum to qucikhammer?

FOUR scum?

Edit: 'mad' to 'made', 'to' to 'too'

Yes, FOUR (4)

I re-read the OP just in case.

Are you pleading illiteracy as a lynch defense now?

[Kilava]

I don't know, Silchas, your 'joke' is just so weak and lame that I'm having trouble seeing you make that joke in the first place - it's almost like you thought up bits about it as you went along and tried to make it all stick together now.

On the other hand, maybe your jokes really are just that bad.

[Kilava]

For the record, I for one am hilarious.

[Kilava]

Nimander Golit, on 09 May 2017 - 04:06 PM, said:

Tbh, I could probably still vote Galain for symp hunting, because it's similar to the SK hunting tell on my old site.

Group scum at MS sometimes hints for the serial killer too detect from the fact they're not hunting group scum.

Team scum here may well do the same thing with symps.

Yes, that happens here, though we don't play with an SK too often. Symp hunting, usually by looking for signals, also happens here, though is usually restricted to early game. It's frowned upon, because ultimately it's impossible to confirm until the end of the game, but it still happens anyway. But looking for signals proves wrong so often that actually when a real signal is found now and again, it's usually dismissed and forgotten

[Ampelas]

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 03:32 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

1:1 is always a town-sided trade.

I also don't really know what you mean by this. Do you mean revealing one town for one scum? But they're not revealed as in confirmed - because the rest of town (and the other roled town) do not know which one to believe.

No. I mean death.1 Town death is a worthy price if it results in a scum kill the next day.1:1 trade.Edit: fu autocorrect

But how would it do that? Your original proposal was that the healer and bodyguard effectively stay alive for the duration of the game by protecting each other through revealing. I'm saying that likely won't work because scum can fake-reveal. So then you change your stance and say that well, we effectively vote to lynch the revealer and the counter-revealer in an effort to get rid of scum. In which case, yes, the scum is dead - but so is the roled town, for the rest of the game. It's not a great trade because the scum who dies is most likely the symp, who doesn't even need to be rid of for town to win the game. So in a sense it would be two days spent talking about that, rather than finding the two killers, no?

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 04:08 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

For what it's worth, I like the gumption - really started the game proper off quickly!

I'm all about game breaking.I don't always have the perfect answer, but that's why the rest of town is here... to help figure that stuff out.

lol, it's like going in the fridge and cupboards, throwing all the ingredients for dinner out all over the kitchen, and then saying, 'well, I've done my part!'

Just because you have the ingredients in front of you, doesn't mean they're being wasted.

No, but why am I always the one who has to clean up?In any case, this could prove useful even without further reveals. Killers aren't now likely to take the risk of targetting you. Which leaves you free to do your thing if you are a healer.

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 08 May 2017 - 04:13 PM, said:

Any town that feels the need to discredit town through such insidious measures are playing directly against their win con.

So anyone who questions or criticises you is scum or working against town, because you're town?And the rest of us know that for certain because...?By that same logic, you accusing me of being scummy is scummy and/or acting against town, because, you know, I'm town myself.

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 05:00 PM, said:

Also, in my experience, scum tend to sit off to the sidelines when events like this happen, and let town eat themselves, rather than directly engaging.

Kilava, on 08 May 2017 - 10:08 PM, said:

Galain, on 08 May 2017 - 07:23 PM, said:

Lots of posts, keep them coming. I will look forward to reading up in the morning and getting my teeth stuck into the game. I have not read any of it yet but it looks promising.

Vote Galain Just the kind of thing I would say when I HAVE read all the posts but don't want to interrupt town shouting at each other.

Here is a sampling from Kilava's content. As I said early, he caught my attention as a little too, dare I say it, smooth. The second to last quote really cinches it for me. Isn't that what Kilava was doing up to that point. And the only vote is a case based on what he would do if he was scum?

There isn't much interaction in regards to actual cases (as was pointed out when pressing him for an opinion on Merrid) and what SR may be referring to is the lack of commitment to what other people say (e.g. backing up or tearing down a lynch case). Yes, Kilava was very argumentative with Nim early on, but it was all speculation on mechanics. Nothing really focused on one person or another. Dodgy, even by his own standards I'd say.

vote Kilava

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 8 hours and 8 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Denul, Galain, Jalan, Kilava, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Osseric, Rashan, Silchas Ruin

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Osseric ( Galain )
1 Vote for Merrid ( Denul )
2 Votes for Kilava ( Silchas Ruin, Ampelas )
2 Votes for Silchas Ruin ( Rashan, Nimander Golit )
1 Vote for Ampelas ( Merrid )
1 Vote for Galain ( Kilava )

Players not voted: Jalan, Osseric

[Ampelas]

Definitely the dead part of the day. Let me know what you think Rashan, since you said you would review Kilava too.