[Denul]

Silchas Ruin, on 28 April 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

I'm in no way relying on my NAs and trying to sugarcoat it. I see lynching Rashan as the safe way to do this. If the ressurection was one time deal, then we get Rashan out of way early and I don't think we lose anything by that. If it wasn't one time deal then tommorow we will be at the same position except that we will know it's probably every night's ability for Sorcerer instead of losing a town member and having another scum raised from that if we decided to try to get the sorcerer today and lynched wrongly.

Exactly this. I think it's best to test the theory. I mean, I think it's more likely that he'll try to kill me until I'm dead than raise someone again right away, but either way, there's no need to leave Rashan around to test this theory. If we leave him around, and it turns out that he can resurrect more than one person, then instead of only having 2 scum left on thread, we'll have 3, and that number will just keep growing.

This way, we get to test our theory, get rid of a scum recruit, and can continue trying to find the sorcerer except with more information about how his mechanics work than we currently have, and one less player on his team.

[Merrid]

If sorcerer has a choice b/w regular recruiting and raising, it makes even more sense to try to lynch someone other than Rash. With 8 possible recruit targets, if you can reduce the recruit pool AND eliminate one of the unknowns, narrowing down who the recruiter is.

I just don't see what is point of lynching a known symp at this point.

[Silchas Ruin]

If the sorcerer had the choice between raising and regular recruiting why would have they chose raising of a RI anyway?

[Merrid]

Yo, PS, what is the Sorcerer's VC: simple majority, parity or elimination of innocents?

And I'll repeat my request from yesterday: can we get the RI PM on thread?

[Kilava]

Merrid, on 28 April 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

If sorcerer has a choice b/w regular recruiting and raising, it makes even more sense to try to lynch someone other than Rash. With 8 possible recruit targets, if you can reduce the recruit pool AND eliminate one of the unknowns, narrowing down who the recruiter is.

I just don't see what is point of lynching a known symp at this point.

This. I will not vote for Rashan today.

[Silchas Ruin]

Merrid, on 28 April 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

If sorcerer has a choice b/w regular recruiting and raising, it makes even more sense to try to lynch someone other than Rash. With 8 possible recruit targets, if you can reduce the recruit pool AND eliminate one of the unknowns, narrowing down who the recruiter is.

I just don't see what is point of lynching a known symp at this point.

If we didn't lynch him now we would have to lynch him before DDay to give us one more day(it works like that even with recruiting right?). Except we wouldn't know for sure when the DDay would be because there's some possibility of another scum being in game from the beginning

[Merrid]

Silchas Ruin, on 28 April 2017 - 05:42 PM, said:

If the sorcerer had the choice between raising and regular recruiting why would have they chose raising of a RI anyway?

The only reason I can see for why we would have incentive to lynch the zombies, is if they are quite literally violent zombies- meaning they come back with NK power.

If you think about it, bringing cult back increases the numbers needed for a lynch, but also numbers needed for parity/majority.

Yeah, I need to think about this, and hopefully PS can answer my questions above.

[Merrid]

Silchas Ruin, on 28 April 2017 - 05:45 PM, said:

Merrid, on 28 April 2017 - 05:41 PM, said:

If sorcerer has a choice b/w regular recruiting and raising, it makes even more sense to try to lynch someone other than Rash. With 8 possible recruit targets, if you can reduce the recruit pool AND eliminate one of the unknowns, narrowing down who the recruiter is.

I just don't see what is point of lynching a known symp at this point.

If we didn't lynch him now we would have to lynch him before DDay to give us one more day(it works like that even with recruiting right?). Except we wouldn't know for sure when the DDay would be because there's some possibility of another scum being in game from the beginning

But if we had 2 cult to start, we then have an almost 50/50 chance of lynching one now.

[Path-Shaper]

RI PM: You are a roleless innocent. You're job is to help string up the dark sorcerer that has stolen from the local church.
Your VC is to lynch the sorcerer and any minions. (as I added on-thread later)

The "scum" vc is to overrun town - simple majority.

[Galain]

Thyr or Nimander are top of my list. Jalan less so simce his posting today.

[Merrid]

Cheers, PS.
Eating lunch, and thinking

[Silchas Ruin]

Another reason I'm concerned about this whole thing because what we've seen so far and what it hints about what's to come doesn't seem like tmdi7-8 to me

[Merrid]

Denul, on 28 April 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

Osseric, on 28 April 2017 - 01:57 PM, said:

Yes, I see now. So what you're saying is, that in this scenario, we would have a limited number of days in which to catch the bad guy, before we're overwhelmed and find ourselves unable to oppose them.

You're right, that would be an insane thing to believe in this situation we find ourselves in.

WTF is wrong with you people? You realize that this is not a fucking M&P right? Like, there are likely fucking roles no one knows about? RIGHT?! How the fuck would YOU know that the lynch is the only way for us to win in this game?

This caught my attention.

Look, oif we don't know something, we can't do shit about it. So don't go pointing fingers at people who play based on what we do know.

If you got hidden knowledge that would make me understand something better, do share.


Or don't. It's your judgement call.

I started the game not even knowing my fucking VC, so pardon me for trying to grope my way through the game using conventional mafia logic. Which is, let me remind you: if you do not lynch the recruiter, eventually you will lose.

[Merrid]

Silchas Ruin, on 28 April 2017 - 06:05 PM, said:

Another reason I'm concerned about this whole thing because what we've seen so far and what it hints about what's to come doesn't seem like tmdi7-8 to me

If we go by the fiction (the Sorcerer is hiding among us, reading the book at night, and gaining more knowledge), the scope of his role should increase as he gets more knowledge.

Which is another reason to try to lynch him

Also, this is personal speculation, but if I was designing a high TMDI game around a 1-role (cult) faction, I'd give them a lynch BP to avoid a Day 1 dumb luck town win.

[Merrid]

The only reason I can see for lynching Rash right now is the suspicion that Rash is now a zombie who can kill people. Which is purely my speculation, trying to guess at how the hell the game could be balanced.

[Merrid]

What are everyone's thoughts on Osseric? I don't see him on pretty much anyone's list on Day 3 (after skimming the last 4 pages)and that's kinda worrying me.

[Silchas Ruin]

Merrid, on 28 April 2017 - 06:35 PM, said:

What are everyone's thoughts on Osseric? I don't see him on pretty much anyone's list on Day 3 (after skimming the last 4 pages)and that's kinda worrying me.

Pretty sure he was on Galain's list as 3rd/4th

He was also Rashan's main suspect over in purgatory

I'm at this moment rather undecided about order of the main five suspects - Nimander, Thyrllan, Osserc, Jalan, Galain

Problem that some of us might have with attempting to lynch the Sorcerer today is that about last 4 hours of this day it's night in Europe and so far there's been only one thing that passes as case

[Silchas Ruin]

Re Rashan and Osserc: Rashan just said that they think that Osserc is trying to avoid attention this way, but it was the only thing they said in there

[Galain]

Yeah, baby has a bug so I may be on 2am. We are planning the night shift now.

[Merrid]

Galain was, iirc, the first to "clue in" on Kilava's "RI signal", so I gave him a pass for that, as a P(ossible)I. I may need to go back and see how obvious it is and whether I (as a non-RI) could clue into it.