[Bek Okhan]

Gamelon, on 28 March 2017 - 06:43 PM, said:

Okaros, on 28 March 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 28 March 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

Okaros, on 28 March 2017 - 06:21 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 28 March 2017 - 06:18 PM, said:

Okaros, on 28 March 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:

Wait a minute actually. After a reread, I think that Serc's reveal is legit and that Mockra is VPI'd with him.

Mockra, Serc, who do you think is likely for Game's second if it wasn't Macros?

Woah, I am willing to allow that Serc's reveal may be legit, but what in the world makes you VPI Mockra because of it?

Because we've all been overlooking why two players would move in unison outside of scum.

The only reason that townies would move in unison the way that Mockra and Serc have been this game is if they were lovers, which is only a possibility if Serc is not a healer.

Disagree. Doctor/nurse lover pair makes perfect sense. I've also played a game in the past as a vanilla lover with a guard partner.

If that were a possibility, the role descriptions in the OPs would say so. They do not. According to ST, the only thing that was odd about this was one role - i.e. the Evil Coroner. So no, I don't agree with this, and it worries me that you're bringing it up on DDay. Mayhaps Mockra is YOUR partner?

You're paranoid. Okaros was voting Mockra on D3.

[Gamelon]

Bek Okhan, on 28 March 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

You're paranoid.

Definitely and without a doubt. This is DDay. Trying to consider all possibilities here. But just cause someone was voting for someone doesn't automatically make them not-scum.

[Okaros]

Gamelon, on 28 March 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

<br>

Bek Okhan, on 28 March 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

<br>You're paranoid. <br>

<br><br>Definitely and without a doubt.&nbsp;&nbsp;This is DDay.&nbsp;&nbsp;Trying to consider all possibilities here.&nbsp;&nbsp;But just cause someone was voting for someone doesn't automatically make them not-scum.<br>

<br>I also didn't hop to hammer you yesterday when I could have. Think about that a little.<br><br>

[Alkend]

Gamelon, on 28 March 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 28 March 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

You're paranoid.

Definitely and without a doubt. This is DDay. Trying to consider all possibilities here. But just cause someone was voting for someone doesn't automatically make them not-scum.

Yes, but you are then suggesting that Mac was scum, AND that the remaining 2 scum were willing to risk one of them being voted off close to D-day. We're getting too farfetched here.

[Gamelon]

Alkend, on 28 March 2017 - 07:15 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 28 March 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 28 March 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

You're paranoid.

Definitely and without a doubt. This is DDay. Trying to consider all possibilities here. But just cause someone was voting for someone doesn't automatically make them not-scum.

Yes, but you are then suggesting that Mac was scum, AND that the remaining 2 scum were willing to risk one of them being voted off close to D-day. We're getting too farfetched here.

Okay, okay, I get it, you're right, it IS a little farfetched. I still want to try to look at this from a lot of different angles, though. Despite all that, I'm still landing on Mockra as most likely scum, with Serc a very close second. Bek and you are now wobbling back and forth between position 3 and 4 on my list of probably scum.

[Gamelon]

Okaros, on 28 March 2017 - 07:15 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 28 March 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

<br>

Bek Okhan, on 28 March 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

<br>You're paranoid. <br>

<br><br>Definitely and without a doubt.&nbsp;&nbsp;This is DDay.&nbsp;&nbsp;Trying to consider all possibilities here.&nbsp;&nbsp;But just cause someone was voting for someone doesn't automatically make them not-scum.<br>

<br>I also didn't hop to hammer you yesterday when I could have. Think about that a little.<br><br>

Okay, okay, point firmly in the town column then.

[Gamelon]

Here are all the End of Dayvote updates:

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 minute since time out





10 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan,Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc



6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.



1 Vote for Gamelon ( Kaschan )

1 Vote for Mockra ( Fanderay )

5 Votes for Fanderay ( Bek Okhan, IparthErule, Alkend, Serc, Mockra )



Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Okaros



---------



Day has timed out without a lynch. It is nownight in the hospital.

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 09:54 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 36 hours and 49 minutes remaining



9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan,Fanderay, Gamelon, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc



5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.



1 Vote for Okaros ( Alkend )

5 Votes for Fanderay ( Serc, Kaschan, Mockra,Okaros, Fanderay )



Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Gamelon, IparthErule







Fanderay has been lynched. He was Macros, andInnocent.



Waiting on ST to resolve as I'm about tostart work

-Mess



Now resolved

-ST

Path-Shaper, on 28 March 2017 - 12:28 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 8 minutes since time out

7 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan,Gamelon, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc



4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.



1 Vote for Serc ( Gamelon )

3 Votes for Mockra ( Okaros, Bek Okhan,Alkend )

3 Votes for Gamelon ( Serc, Kaschan, Mockra )



Players not voted:



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Day 3 has timed out without a lynch. It isnow night.

EDIT: TAGS

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 28 March 2017 - 07:24 PM

[Gamelon]

FUCKING TAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gamelon]

So if I remove myself as I know I am town, and I look at all the biggest trains at end of day, we have:

On Day 1:

Bek, Mockra, Serc and Alkend on Fanderay


On Day 2:

Serc, Mockra, Okaros on Fanderay


On Day 3:

Okaros, Bek and Alkend on Mockra
Serc and Mockra on me.


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So if we believe Fanderay's reveal, but not Serc's, that means that Serc and Mockra were on the two trains on Fanderay, and on a train vs a townie on Day 3.
Bek on Fanderay only BEFORE he revealed, Okaros on him only AFTER he revealed, then both on the Mockra train on Day 3.

So if Fanderay's reveal is true, I still think it's most likely that one of Serc or Mockra (if not both) are scum.



If Fanderay's reveal is fake, however, things look a bit different.

Thing is, however, that there was no significant changes in people's voting behaviour as a result of the healer reveal. The changes in voting behaviour can be attributed pretty much to how people felt about Serc's push on the healer reveal, and how Mockra acted in relation to Serc all game.

I dunno, I was kind of hoping the vote analysis would help a bit, but it's done nothing for me.

[Bek Okhan]

Stumbled upon an interesting moment. This is from D1, pre-reveal:

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 06:39 AM, said:

Iparth Stiles contribution is interesting.
Or not.
Talk a bout a drop in and drive by.
And alkends is just....


I'm not sure what I have to defend here, I've made my feelings clear, I think Mockra is suspicious and serc was deflecting from him.
I've noted Gamelons post that I didn't like and noted how Alkend seems to be massively deflecting for him. So for me it's a mockra or Gamelon vote today, but personally I think Mockra because Gamelon has been too verbose and visible of the (imo) two options

Serc, on 23 March 2017 - 06:56 AM, said:

remove vote

Vote Fanderay

Be in work in a couple of hours but we need a lynch.

Before that, Fande - firmly poinitng towards Gamelon and Mockra pretty much whole day - only had 2 votes on him, with several other players with a single vote. Fande makes the connection between Mockra and Serc. Serc arrives just a moment later to put in a vote that probably everyone expected to seal Fande's fate.

This makes me lean towards thinking that Serc is bullshitting us and Fande was genuine.

Also, my gut says we need to choose between Gamelon and Mockra, and if Fande was a symp, neither of them is the killer, so that doesn't add up for me.

[Bek Okhan]

Correction, Serc's vote was actually the 4th, so it makes a bit more sense.

Shit I'm confused.

[Gamelon]

Right? This Day is doing my head in.

[Mockra]

No we are not lovers, the PMs appear to be clear on the matter.

[Gamelon]

Mockra, on 28 March 2017 - 07:52 PM, said:

No we are not lovers, the PMs appear to be clear on the matter.

You mean the Role Descriptions, yeah? No one but you can see your PMs!

[Mockra]

Gamelon, on 28 March 2017 - 07:57 PM, said:

Mockra, on 28 March 2017 - 07:52 PM, said:

No we are not lovers, the PMs appear to be clear on the matter.

You mean the Role Descriptions, yeah? No one but you can see your PMs!

Aaah so that's the trick

[Alkend]

Went back, and Serc was actually the first vote on Fandy. Then he removed to vote IE, then came back as 4th with Mockra as vote 5.

[Alkend]

I can see the merit in lynching Mockra as last resort, though his follower behaviour points to Serc more.

One of Serc and Maccy has to be lying, so I suppose it comes down to who people find more plausible.

[Gamelon]

I would certainly be willing to go with a Serc lynch today. I don't really believe his reveal. Am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, however, because the likelihood of Mockra being his partner is pretty high, IMO. I'll leave my vote on Mockra for now, will change if necessary.

[Bek Okhan]

The more I read into it, the less I believe Serc's reveal. I'm think Serc symp + Mockra Killer right now. Not feeling particularly trigger itchy tho.

[Mockra]

I agree that Alkend is little likely to be the killer, likely he'd have to be paired with Bek but that still wouldn't explain today's behaviour, he's acting more like scum who doesn't know anyone else if anything.
Bek has played really safe and restrained game, staying off the heat whole the time, but otherwise there's not that much scumminess that I can see. Okaros comes off more towny than the rest.