[Serc]

Bek Okhan, on 22 March 2017 - 09:49 AM, said:

When was the last time we actually hit scum when voting someone based on role spec?

@Fanderay: do I read it right that you call out Gamelon for lying/slipping about the Mockra's post that was actually Hanas' and... vote Mockra?

Fanderay, on 22 March 2017 - 10:07 AM, said:

Not exactly, you read it right in that I've noted the post from Gamelon, but I still think Mockra is more likely scum at the minute, based on my feelings on the post quoted and sercs interactions

Here Alkend hits a nail on the head, Fanderay "thought" Gamelon was scummy but votes Mockra. Way to deflect attention early doors.

[Serc]

Bek not Alkend but they are posting side by side and have similar avatar.

[Bek Okhan]

Gamelon, on 28 March 2017 - 02:06 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 28 March 2017 - 01:28 PM, said:

IIRC, Serc was the first one to point out Fanderay's reveal stinks. And then was speculating Fande was a symp. I considered it very scummy back then, but this sheds new light.

This is actually a pretty scummy post right here, and I'm not sure what to think of it. He found Serc's speculation of a fake reveal very scummy, but he voted Fanderay out alongside Serc?

I was referring to the symp speculation, which I immediately called out as shady.

I'm leaning towards believing Serc, but this does nothing to exempt Mockra from suspicion. Like I said before, it boils down to Mockra and Gamelon right now, I'll not vote before taking a closer look at each of them.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 46 hours and 19 minutes remaining
6 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Mockra ( Gamelon )
1 Vote for Gamelon ( Serc )

Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Mockra, Okaros

[Serc]

Gamelon, on 28 March 2017 - 02:10 PM, said:

Serc, on 28 March 2017 - 02:07 PM, said:

or new information came to light with Fanderay's fake reveal so I left you alone because I thought him scum, after his CF I moved to you because he must have done it for a reason, and I feel you were that reason.

Why me though? Fanderay and I never had any kind of rapport - in fact I was right beside you calling his reveal fake and unbelievable. The only reason I didn't vote for him in the end is because you asshole speed-lynched him. Seriously, a 6 hour lynch on Day 2? Who fucking does that?

What was the reason you didn't vote day one?

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 28 March 2017 - 02:11 PM, said:

Bek not Alkend but they are posting side by side and have similar avatar.

Right, so my number 3 scum suspect is trying to discredit one of the only people who've mentioned his name and scum in the same sentence. Shocking.

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 28 March 2017 - 02:14 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 28 March 2017 - 02:10 PM, said:

Serc, on 28 March 2017 - 02:07 PM, said:

or new information came to light with Fanderay's fake reveal so I left you alone because I thought him scum, after his CF I moved to you because he must have done it for a reason, and I feel you were that reason.

Why me though? Fanderay and I never had any kind of rapport - in fact I was right beside you calling his reveal fake and unbelievable. The only reason I didn't vote for him in the end is because you asshole speed-lynched him. Seriously, a 6 hour lynch on Day 2? Who fucking does that?

What was the reason you didn't vote day one?

Honestly, Day timed out while I was in bed, and I thought that I still had time after I would get to work the next day. There also wasn't anything near a compelling case on Day 1, but that's besides the point.

[Serc]

I need to re read, I am a dog with a bone at the moment and I am blinkered by my belief that you are scum. It does go down to my vote on you, then your reaction combined with Fanderay's defense. I cannot look past that.

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 28 March 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

I need to re read, I am a dog with a bone at the moment and I am blinkered by my belief that you are scum. It does go down to my vote on you, then your reaction combined with Fanderay's defense. I cannot look past that.

Yeah, so try ignoring the Day 1 shit. If you're convinced Fanderay is scum, fine, let him be scum. So let's play devil's advocate - he has connected himself to me, in your scenario as a likely symp. Would a symp, nay, would MACROS as a symp, make it THAT obvious that he was symping ME? I don't think so. So who else was getting attention on Day 1?

[Gamelon]

Fanderay, on 20 March 2017 - 08:33 PM, said:

checking in.

2 things.

1)- someone's going to shit when they see this "vanilla set up".
2)- Mockra's immediately going for role spec.

LOL - I am rereading, and this makes me laught cause Macros was obviously referring to himself.

[Gamelon]

Fanderay, on 21 March 2017 - 09:19 PM, said:

This kind of blatant mistake is the kind of thing that Macros loves to jump all over.

Seriously, though, I love you Macros, for how many times you referred to yourself in the third person during Day 1. Makes me kind of suspicious of you though, because you're right, this is something Macros would have jumped all over, yet you didn't.

[Serc]

Looking further into Alkend at the moment. Seeing if there is anything there.

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 28 March 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Looking further into Alkend at the moment. Seeing if there is anything there.

Yeah, me too actually. Check this one out:

Alkend's been in my blind spot most of the game, and has a couple of posts like this:

Alkend, on 22 March 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

I don't like Gamelon's play. His posts are overly dramatic, without making any salient points. He questions everyone's cases, but has not placed his own vote. He's running up a post count, but says mostly nothing.

Basically, feels like he's symping and ought to be ignored.

These posts make it feel like he's symping me, and there's no doubt that nearly everyone has mentioned at one point or another that Alkend and I have been pretty much on the same page most of the game. I am inno, it is DDay, so it's important to review things like this. So at this point in the day, there was a vote on Mockra, myself, Iparth, Okaros and Fanderay, however most of the talk at this point of the day was revolving around Mockra's role speculation early Day 1, my general spazziness and annoying gameplay, and Serc/Mockra's dislike for Fanderay. Given I know I'm innocent, and Alkend was fine with voting for Fanderay, this puts another point into the Mockra is scum column for me.

[Gamelon]

Of course, if we believe Serc's reveal today, the above theory would suggest that there was a 3 player scum team - Fanderay, Alkend and Mockra?

[Serc]

Day one

Alkend votes for Okaros for low activity as far as I can tell.

Then near day end votes for Fanderay to move the game forward but with no added thoughts about Fanderay's play. In fact, as far as I can see it is Fanderay that mentions Alkend as a Mockra symp on multiple occasions with no response from Alkend.

Day two

He accepts Fand's reveal and votes Okaros again, with no extra reasoning except for that is who he voted day one.
Later he adds that he doesn't see much merit in the Hanas "heal" but again thinks we should leave Fand and move to someone new

Alkend, on 23 March 2017 - 09:21 PM, said:

L-1 with over 36 h to go in Day 1 v. 2.00



This game's coming along wonderfully.

I guess I'll take a look at those who pushed this once his CF comes up. Though of course if he's scum I might have to eat my words.

Not quite sure if he is gloating here, could be.

day 3

he opens up with a vote on me and ends the day with a vote on Mockra

So what changed for him to go from suspecting Okaros to one of Mockra or myself? The lynch of Fanderay. Yet Okaros was also on that train.

So my question for Alkend is why drop the suspicion of Okaros?

[Gamelon]

Alright, so here's another interesting post...

Bek Okhan, on 23 March 2017 - 12:46 PM, said:

Also, this doesn't add up:

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 09:30 AM, said:

On the train I dislike Mockra the most (obviously) but Alkend has been racking up the symp points all day

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:

I'm a gambling man, and my bet is that scum didn't see the reveal in time to change kill choice to me.
I only put the Hana's choice in post reveal, I was going to save my heals till a vpi needed them.

Judging by the posting times, your main candidate for scum - Mockra - was likely to be around when you revealed. Actually, the only people from your train who were not around at timeout were Alkend and Iparth.

EDIT
broken formatting

Bek makes a good point. What if Fanderay really was a healer, really DID heal Hanas, and Alkend was a killer who had chosen Hanas as a kill target for the same reasons Fanderay used to justify his Night 1 heal of Hanas during Day 2?



EDIT: Tags removal

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 28 March 2017 - 03:29 PM

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 28 March 2017 - 03:25 PM, said:

Day one

Alkend votes for Okaros for low activity as far as I can tell.

Then near day end votes for Fanderay to move the game forward but with no added thoughts about Fanderay's play. In fact, as far as I can see it is Fanderay that mentions Alkend as a Mockra symp on multiple occasions with no response from Alkend.

Well, during Day 1, he was accused several times of symping me, actually.

[Serc]

Fanderay, on 21 March 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

Omgus
vote serc

Not Answering your questions?

I never said your vote lynched him, I asked you if you were seeking (probably suggested more than asked tbf) a handy day one lynch.
I was not defending him in any shape or form, if anyone did it's alkend.

I would like to point to out that mockra actually started the role spec and Gamelon was pacifying him so if anyone serc should have been voting mockra.
I would ace my vote there also

ah yes, you. This post had me thinking Mockra too

[Serc]

Alkend, on 22 March 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

I don't like Gamelon's play. His posts are overly dramatic, without making any salient points. He questions everyone's cases, but has not placed his own vote. He's running up a post count, but says mostly nothing.

Basically, feels like he's symping and ought to be ignored.

Although this does not look like Alkend symping you.

[Serc]

Gamelon, on 28 March 2017 - 03:27 PM, said:

Alright, so here's another interesting post...

Bek Okhan, on 23 March 2017 - 12:46 PM, said:

Also, this doesn't add up:

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 09:30 AM, said:

On the train I dislike Mockra the most (obviously) but Alkend has been racking up the symp points all day

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 12:02 PM, said:

I'm a gambling man, and my bet is that scum didn't see the reveal in time to change kill choice to me.
I only put the Hana's choice in post reveal, I was going to save my heals till a vpi needed them.

Judging by the posting times, your main candidate for scum - Mockra - was likely to be around when you revealed. Actually, the only people from your train who were not around at timeout were Alkend and Iparth.

EDIT
broken formatting

Bek makes a good point. What if Fanderay really was a healer, really DID heal Hanas, and Alkend was a killer who had chosen Hanas as a kill target for the same reasons Fanderay used to justify his Night 1 heal of Hanas during Day 2?



EDIT: Tags removal

Nope.