[Serc]

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

I am going to leave my vote on Mockra, and then go do shit, I will not be back on until 9am gmt roughly, if that is past timeout, which I don't think it is, then good luck.

#frustratedwithtownmates

No I do not believe Mockra will turn out scum. No I don't care if I am lynched. I just want tomorrow to be here already so I can laugh in Alkend's wrong face. (or scum face if he is scum)

Timeout is around noon for you

Thanks, and sorry for the vote but apparently we are paired. (thanks to Alkend and Gamelon)

[Gamelon]

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 29 March 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

You have to admit, this has been one hell of a DDay.

vote Mockra


I see no reason not to. I'm still convinced he and Serc are partners.

flip flop

It's not flip flopping when you have literally been saying that Serc and Mockra are your two top scum suspects since the beginning of Day 3, as I have pointed out above.

[Alkend]

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 03:48 PM, said:

now you're just trying to confuse me, right?.

Mockra's been following YOU- why lynch a follower?

symp would follow yes? The only role that would follow?

Then that would make me killer yes?

Then why, as a killer, would I reveal?

The lynch looked 50/50 over Gam and Mockra today.

Now it is looking 50/50 over Mockra/Serc

So what did my reveal achieve if I was scum?

Nothing.

I am legit, and you are not seeing it.

There's 2 people that have been voting Serc for days now.

There were no real votes on Mockra today until you just put one down (on your potential symp, if that's why he's following you).

Revealing today would guarantee you safety through D-day, if it was believed. It wasn't obviously, but your strongest detractors are me and Game - and we've been on your case since before the reveal anyway, so it's no net loss for you so far.

Yes, I could be be being obtuse, but you are not helping with your drama.

[Serc]

funny

[Alkend]

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 03:50 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

I am going to leave my vote on Mockra, and then go do shit, I will not be back on until 9am gmt roughly, if that is past timeout, which I don't think it is, then good luck.

#frustratedwithtownmates

No I do not believe Mockra will turn out scum. No I don't care if I am lynched. I just want tomorrow to be here already so I can laugh in Alkend's wrong face. (or scum face if he is scum)

I will still blame you for waiting till D-day to reveal - because that's what shoots your credibility down in my eyes.

Think about the situation the thread was in when Fande revealed. Generally people found it dodgy, yes? We would have lost our healer if he counter-revealed, for possibly mere symp. For me it makes perfect sense and as soon as I saw the reveal I was hoping the real healer wouldn't come out and counter-reveal.

I found it questionable, but I wouldn't have voted for him w/o a counter-reveal.

Need I remind you how we lynched a revealed guard 2 games ago?

[Gamelon]

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:00 PM, said:

I found it questionable, but I wouldn't have voted for him w/o a counter-reveal.

Need I remind you how we lynched a revealed guard 2 games ago?

Exactly, I expressed my doubt about the reveal, but I did not fucking speed lynch a revealed healer. Mockra and Serc pushed that.

[Mockra]

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:00 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 03:50 PM, said:

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

I am going to leave my vote on Mockra, and then go do shit, I will not be back on until 9am gmt roughly, if that is past timeout, which I don't think it is, then good luck.

#frustratedwithtownmates

No I do not believe Mockra will turn out scum. No I don't care if I am lynched. I just want tomorrow to be here already so I can laugh in Alkend's wrong face. (or scum face if he is scum)

I will still blame you for waiting till D-day to reveal - because that's what shoots your credibility down in my eyes.

Think about the situation the thread was in when Fande revealed. Generally people found it dodgy, yes? We would have lost our healer if he counter-revealed, for possibly mere symp. For me it makes perfect sense and as soon as I saw the reveal I was hoping the real healer wouldn't come out and counter-reveal.

I found it questionable, but I wouldn't have voted for him w/o a counter-reveal.

Need I remind you how we lynched a revealed guard 2 games ago?

I would have stood for him if I had been alive. It was fucking frustrating to watch from SH. And this is even more frustrating.

[Alkend]

Yes, and your speed-lynch helped to make it more dodgy than it needed to be.

And then today's clusterfuck of a "reveal" ... and you don't understand why I'm having doubts believing Serc?

[Mockra]

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Yes, and your speed-lynch helped to make it more dodgy than it needed to be.

And then today's clusterfuck of a "reveal" ... and you don't understand why I'm having doubts believing Serc?

I never wanted it to be a speedlynch, I admit I shouldn't have voted that early but I had my mind made up and I just didn't expect the speedlynch.
To an extent I do understand your doubts but Serc's play just seems completely logical to me

[Alkend]

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Yes, and your speed-lynch helped to make it more dodgy than it needed to be.

And then today's clusterfuck of a "reveal" ... and you don't understand why I'm having doubts believing Serc?

I never wanted it to be a speedlynch, I admit I shouldn't have voted that early but I had my mind made up and I just didn't expect the speedlynch.
To an extent I do understand your doubts but Serc's play just seems completely logical to me

Yeah, unfortunately I can't say the same. From where I'm standing, his timing is off, which makes everything he does suspect.

Though what this morning did achieve was move you down to 3rd top suspect, and Game to the number 2 slot. But everything is contingent on whether Serc is lying or not.

[Okaros]

Jesus. That's a giant viper-nest of WIFOM I just stepped back into.

First thought - Serc, stop self-voting. The way you are handling it makes you look really scummy. I also think people are wrong in comparing that to the Kitsu-method. He does it early game when he's town, roleless, and his continued existence muddies up the water too much. The way Serc is doing it is creating a shitstorm of WIFOM that is near impossible to track through.

Second thought - Mockra, Serc, Gamelon. My vote will fall one of those three places. I'm going to reread the last few pages of muck and then share some more thoughts on the matter. Don't expect me to be quick about it either, we have plenty of time left.

[Mockra]

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Yes, and your speed-lynch helped to make it more dodgy than it needed to be.

And then today's clusterfuck of a "reveal" ... and you don't understand why I'm having doubts believing Serc?

I never wanted it to be a speedlynch, I admit I shouldn't have voted that early but I had my mind made up and I just didn't expect the speedlynch.
To an extent I do understand your doubts but Serc's play just seems completely logical to me

Yeah, unfortunately I can't say the same. From where I'm standing, his timing is off, which makes everything he does suspect.

Though what this morning did achieve was move you down to 3rd top suspect, and Game to the number 2 slot. But everything is contingent on whether Serc is lying or not.

Apparently I'm not the only one who didn't expect counter-reveal to Fande but still didn't believe him, we managed to lynch him without the counter-reveal after all. Healer not revealing at that point makes perfect sense, especially so if the healer expected Fande to CF guilty.

[Okaros]

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Yes, and your speed-lynch helped to make it more dodgy than it needed to be.

And then today's clusterfuck of a "reveal" ... and you don't understand why I'm having doubts believing Serc?

I never wanted it to be a speedlynch, I admit I shouldn't have voted that early but I had my mind made up and I just didn't expect the speedlynch.

If anything, that speedlynch should really be attributed to me. They put him at L-2 and he could have hung that way for hours. I piled on and allowed Fandy to off himself, creating the WIFOM shitstorm we're in.


I'm not saying that either of them are innocent, but I think they're getting a disproportionate amount of heat for that.

[Alkend]

Okaros, on 29 March 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

Jesus. That's a giant viper-nest of WIFOM I just stepped back into.

First thought - Serc, stop self-voting. The way you are handling it makes you look really scummy. I also think people are wrong in comparing that to the Kitsu-method. He does it early game when he's town, roleless, and his continued existence muddies up the water too much. The way Serc is doing it is creating a shitstorm of WIFOM that is near impossible to track through.

Second thought - Mockra, Serc, Gamelon. My vote will fall one of those three places. I'm going to reread the last few pages of muck and then share some more thoughts on the matter. Don't expect me to be quick about it either, we have plenty of time left.

On suspected D-Day, no less,

[Alkend]

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Yes, and your speed-lynch helped to make it more dodgy than it needed to be.

And then today's clusterfuck of a "reveal" ... and you don't understand why I'm having doubts believing Serc?

I never wanted it to be a speedlynch, I admit I shouldn't have voted that early but I had my mind made up and I just didn't expect the speedlynch.
To an extent I do understand your doubts but Serc's play just seems completely logical to me

Yeah, unfortunately I can't say the same. From where I'm standing, his timing is off, which makes everything he does suspect.

Though what this morning did achieve was move you down to 3rd top suspect, and Game to the number 2 slot. But everything is contingent on whether Serc is lying or not.

Apparently I'm not the only one who didn't expect counter-reveal to Fande but still didn't believe him, we managed to lynch him without the counter-reveal after all. Healer not revealing at that point makes perfect sense, especially so if the healer expected Fande to CF guilty.

I can understand that alone. Not agree with it, but understand it, yes.

But then he waits until D-day to reveal. This isn't his first game, he KNOWS what a wifom shitstorm that'll raise, unless he can get a quick lynch.
Why wait so long?

And when I look at that, I then come back to the original accusation against Fandy, and it's weak, and it's now unprovable.

And then there's you voting in tandem with him 4 days in a row.

Too many things, Serc is the logical scum choice for me.

[Alkend]

oh, there's also the "self-vote to L1 and pretending to hammer" drama nonsense.

Twice.

That's not helping.

[Mockra]

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:56 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Yes, and your speed-lynch helped to make it more dodgy than it needed to be.

And then today's clusterfuck of a "reveal" ... and you don't understand why I'm having doubts believing Serc?

I never wanted it to be a speedlynch, I admit I shouldn't have voted that early but I had my mind made up and I just didn't expect the speedlynch.
To an extent I do understand your doubts but Serc's play just seems completely logical to me

Yeah, unfortunately I can't say the same. From where I'm standing, his timing is off, which makes everything he does suspect.

Though what this morning did achieve was move you down to 3rd top suspect, and Game to the number 2 slot. But everything is contingent on whether Serc is lying or not.

Apparently I'm not the only one who didn't expect counter-reveal to Fande but still didn't believe him, we managed to lynch him without the counter-reveal after all. Healer not revealing at that point makes perfect sense, especially so if the healer expected Fande to CF guilty.

I can understand that alone. Not agree with it, but understand it, yes.

But then he waits until D-day to reveal. This isn't his first game, he KNOWS what a wifom shitstorm that'll raise, unless he can get a quick lynch.
Why wait so long?

And when I look at that, I then come back to the original accusation against Fandy, and it's weak, and it's now unprovable.

And then there's you voting in tandem with him 4 days in a row.

Too many things, Serc is the logical scum choice for me.

I think he waited so long because he didn't want to reveal at all because of what it could cause. He revealed when the four of you were set on lynching someone who he strongly beleived to be town on possible DDay, if he didn't reveal I would probably get lynched today and unless he healed correctly or something we would possibly lose the game after the night.

[Alkend]

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:56 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Yes, and your speed-lynch helped to make it more dodgy than it needed to be.

And then today's clusterfuck of a "reveal" ... and you don't understand why I'm having doubts believing Serc?

I never wanted it to be a speedlynch, I admit I shouldn't have voted that early but I had my mind made up and I just didn't expect the speedlynch.
To an extent I do understand your doubts but Serc's play just seems completely logical to me

Yeah, unfortunately I can't say the same. From where I'm standing, his timing is off, which makes everything he does suspect.

Though what this morning did achieve was move you down to 3rd top suspect, and Game to the number 2 slot. But everything is contingent on whether Serc is lying or not.

Apparently I'm not the only one who didn't expect counter-reveal to Fande but still didn't believe him, we managed to lynch him without the counter-reveal after all. Healer not revealing at that point makes perfect sense, especially so if the healer expected Fande to CF guilty.

I can understand that alone. Not agree with it, but understand it, yes.

But then he waits until D-day to reveal. This isn't his first game, he KNOWS what a wifom shitstorm that'll raise, unless he can get a quick lynch.
Why wait so long?

And when I look at that, I then come back to the original accusation against Fandy, and it's weak, and it's now unprovable.

And then there's you voting in tandem with him 4 days in a row.

Too many things, Serc is the logical scum choice for me.

I think he waited so long because he didn't want to reveal at all because of what it could cause. He revealed when the four of you were set on lynching someone who he strongly beleived to be town on possible DDay, if he didn't reveal I would probably get lynched today and unless he healed correctly or something we would possibly lose the game after the night.

Not really. I only switched to you last minute, b/c it seemed the only viable train at the time, and you were a symp suspect. All things being equal, my vote would have probably gone right back on Serc (because of the whole "you keep following his votes" thing). You were never my no1 suspect, and I don't think I could've made that nay clearer.

[Alkend]

Since it looks like we're waiting on Okaros, I'll go do some work now, check back in a few h.

[Mockra]

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 05:07 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:56 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 04:25 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 March 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 04:07 PM, said:

Yes, and your speed-lynch helped to make it more dodgy than it needed to be.

And then today's clusterfuck of a "reveal" ... and you don't understand why I'm having doubts believing Serc?

I never wanted it to be a speedlynch, I admit I shouldn't have voted that early but I had my mind made up and I just didn't expect the speedlynch.
To an extent I do understand your doubts but Serc's play just seems completely logical to me

Yeah, unfortunately I can't say the same. From where I'm standing, his timing is off, which makes everything he does suspect.

Though what this morning did achieve was move you down to 3rd top suspect, and Game to the number 2 slot. But everything is contingent on whether Serc is lying or not.

Apparently I'm not the only one who didn't expect counter-reveal to Fande but still didn't believe him, we managed to lynch him without the counter-reveal after all. Healer not revealing at that point makes perfect sense, especially so if the healer expected Fande to CF guilty.

I can understand that alone. Not agree with it, but understand it, yes.

But then he waits until D-day to reveal. This isn't his first game, he KNOWS what a wifom shitstorm that'll raise, unless he can get a quick lynch.
Why wait so long?

And when I look at that, I then come back to the original accusation against Fandy, and it's weak, and it's now unprovable.

And then there's you voting in tandem with him 4 days in a row.

Too many things, Serc is the logical scum choice for me.

I think he waited so long because he didn't want to reveal at all because of what it could cause. He revealed when the four of you were set on lynching someone who he strongly beleived to be town on possible DDay, if he didn't reveal I would probably get lynched today and unless he healed correctly or something we would possibly lose the game after the night.

Not really. I only switched to you last minute, b/c it seemed the only viable train at the time, and you were a symp suspect. All things being equal, my vote would have probably gone right back on Serc (because of the whole "you keep following his votes" thing). You were never my no1 suspect, and I don't think I could've made that nay clearer.

Your collective decision was to lynch me over Serc, it was 50-50 but those of you voting for Serc were more willing to vote me than those who were voting me were willing to vote Serc iirc