[Messremb]

Wasn't me being symp dependant on JPK or Khell being scum? Sure let's lynch the "symp" - anyone else see the problem there?

Can someone who isn't on a phone do a read through of Seirgeij and venture an opinion?

[Messremb]

HoosierDaddy, on 23 February 2017 - 01:08 AM, said:

Blend, on 22 February 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

I still don't understand this blind rage thing.

I stand by the fact that that was a fantastic Day 1, and that there is now a TON of information on thread that wouldn't have been there if I hadn't done what I did.

Well, you managed to create a bunch of shit cases. I don't think you are a killer, that's way too ballsy play. But the idea of you as symp makes a lot of sense. Problem is, you literally symped the entire thread other than Khell.

It's potentially a very effective symping of Khell...

[Khellendros]

HoosierDaddy, on 23 February 2017 - 12:56 AM, said:

Andorion, on 22 February 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.


Instead, I propose an experiment: lynch Blend or Tatts and see if their heads literally explode. Blend, Tatts, we'll require a live video feed.

Hang on a second...

That comment about lynching is fine given Blend pushing, but why is Khell thinking in terms of killing?

Only a killer worries about killing.

Ergo Khell is scum

Nah, this is Khell being Khell. Anything bad for Khell is bad for everyone because Khell.

Well I'm glad at least one person understands!

[HoosierDaddy]

Macros, on 22 February 2017 - 05:33 PM, said:

I'm going to follow bubba into a
Vote HD

reading through his posts, he didn't see the merit of the khell vote based on khell being khell.
his eventual rationale for it was to break up the intractable voters, and stuck there when the swing was heading JPKs way (pre self vote).

I dunno, there's something about it just read like, here's a reason for me to not be on JPKs train. as it was going to flip town.

come on down HD, the fence must hurt your ass

I've already discussed my reasoning once, Mac. I'm not on that fence. I came down and stayed off. My projections for today's behaviors from the main instigators of yesterdays' shit-storm was wrong, as things have calmed down. But, I was of the opinion that one of Blend or Khell had to go. It still seems to me like Blend can't be more than a symp, it's just too fucking weird of play as killer. So, I vote Khell. I mean, the case on JPQ was shit and if would have flipped to Blend I would have been much more tempted to come down off Khell. As it was, he was the only one of the two I considered needing to go up for lynch.

[Mentalist]

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 07:37 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 07:32 PM, said:

@ Ment: This.

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 06:07 PM, said:

JPK, on 20 February 2017 - 06:06 PM, said:

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 06:05 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 06:04 PM, said:

Blend, on 20 February 2017 - 05:56 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 05:55 PM, said:

what's up peeps?
I'm nursing a mild hangover (it's only mild because I slept till noon by which point the headache was mostly gone), gonna try to catch up and see what's been happening.

Basically, almost everyone agrees that we should lynch Khell. Those who don't are scum.

If I'm getting my RPing correct, aren't they alternate scum? Or something?

Journalist scum?

I believe the phrase you're looking for is "opposition party".

I thought opposition party was The Enemy?

so, what? JPK and Blend partners with Mess as symp?

It seems awfully convenient calling out everyone that's howling for your lynch (except bubba, I guess). as scum.

On the other hand, they are being incredibly blatant about it.
sigh. altless always makes my head hurt.

Blend's just a clueless townie patsy.

so who is JPK's partner?

Bloody hell Ment, give me more than two hours to figure the ENTIRE game out!

Ok, definitely gone now.

Any progress on that?

[Mentalist]

Messremb, on 23 February 2017 - 01:10 AM, said:

Wasn't me being symp dependant on JPK or Khell being scum? Sure let's lynch the "symp" - anyone else see the problem there?

Can someone who isn't on a phone do a read through of Seirgeij and venture an opinion?

working on it, but gotta go to the pool in 10 mins tops.

[Mentalist]

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 09:23 PM, said:

Blend, on 20 February 2017 - 09:16 PM, said:

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 09:15 PM, said:

Since we're getting to a more serious state of play than the earlier shenanigans;

Tatts. Normally he's all over thread getting reactions from people. My sense of him this game has been that he's not been looking at people which strikes me as odd. What do other people think?

I think it's a clear indication that Khell is scum and should be lynched.

Yes totally but given that I totally and utterly agree with your every word in game thus far, what do you think of Tatts?

\The underlined. if it's a signal, it's as blatant as you can get....

[Mentalist]

ok, got to page 11. more later.

[Messremb]

Mentalist, on 23 February 2017 - 01:23 AM, said:

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 09:23 PM, said:

Blend, on 20 February 2017 - 09:16 PM, said:

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 09:15 PM, said:

Since we're getting to a more serious state of play than the earlier shenanigans;

Tatts. Normally he's all over thread getting reactions from people. My sense of him this game has been that he's not been looking at people which strikes me as odd. What do other people think?

I think it's a clear indication that Khell is scum and should be lynched.

Yes totally but given that I totally and utterly agree with your every word in game thus far, what do you think of Tatts?

\The underlined. if it's a signal, it's as blatant as you can get....

Nah, Blend is no way a killer. That is far too stupid a play to risk on day 1. And I still agree with a Khell lynch on general terms, I'm just not voting there because I might have Sergei as scum.

[Khellendros]

Path-Shaper, on 21 February 2017 - 08:09 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 7 hours 3 minutes remaining
Players still alive: (JPK, Nom, Ment, Tatts, Khell, HD, Blend, Ando, Messremb, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)12 players alive.
7 votes to lynch, 6 to go night.
4 votes Khell (Blend, Bubba, Messremb, HD)
7 votes JPK (Khell, Mac, Nom, Ment, Ando, Tatts, JPK)
1 vote Blend (SiergieJ)

Players not voted: ()

JPK has been lynched. He was RI.

Now resolving night.

So, where we at? I don't think Blend is a killer (though I don't like how quiet he's been today), and after reviewing I'm a bit less wary of Bubba - he's been early with his votes, not really waiting to see which way the wind blows. Not that scum don't play that way - they just do so less often.

Mess I currently see as a symp at worst, but he also tends to play similarly no matter the role, so...inconclusive.

HD I'm on the fence about (oh ho, see what I did there?) If there's a killer on my train I'd say it's him, but there's little to put a case together with, other than perhaps arguing that lateish in the day he wanted to be on a different train to his partner and so found a reason to vote me.


But the better bet for scum is the JPK train, as it was successful (and keeping me around another day might be deemed useful as someone who might get the brunt of the attention again).

Ando I'm going to have to dismiss for now purely because there's little to say. Nom I think has played relatively townie. Mac and Ment have shown the most outrage to the votes on me, and I reckon at least one of those is doing so more for their own nefarious ends.

Siergiej is the wildcard, he's mostly been a really good townie, looking into various people, coming up with good assessments, but then every so often he posts/says something which makes me hesitate a bit.

I think I will be voting Mac or Ment today. Gonna think about it a bit.

[HoosierDaddy]

Itwæs Nom, on 22 February 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

I don't like (the irony, I'm aware) how reasonable is Macros trying to be and how much is he trying to highlight a reason - I know he can get passionate but this seems a little over the top - this game, as others have said it's usually a gut vote and fuck off for townie Macros in early stages.

His vote on Kitsu might be interpreted as protest to all the unreasonable Khell votes, hence further highlighting his own reasonability. It might have been seen as controversial at the time but later in the game not having been another one to join the Khell bandwagon would be probably seen as the sensible thing to have done. Especially if Macros knows all the time that Khell's not his partner and Khell got lynched. Hell he might have been hiding in the anti-anti-Khell train jsut to show how reasonable he can be. Macc might have thought it probable that Khell'd get lynched and as that didn't happen he could be now trying to sow some suspicion again because why have clean Khell running around like this.

Khellendros, on 22 February 2017 - 05:30 PM, said:

Macros, on 22 February 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

I fail to see the slip.

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

So-called slip.

with all the chaff and yelling stripped away, this actually looks considerably more suspicious than my first glance of it.

it's the second post that makes the first feel like more of a slip if you understand me. it's like he thought, I didn't slip, I've been watching what I've said, and then was like "uh, I mean so called slip, cause a slip? that would be guilty"

continuing my read

Again, people were like Khell has to be lynched, then voting me for things I didn't even understand (Bubba), so I doubled down on the ridiculousness as I felt I would be lynched anyway no matter what. I did that second post because me saying "so-called" is what Bubba - for reasons I didn't understand - had highlighted when he voted for me, so I just said it again on purpose.


...Which, actually, should be really obvious Maccy.

It did seem obvious to me and it struck me as weird when Macc dismissed the first line of slip-votes and then latched onto this. (I couldn't understand the first slip because I assumed everyone gets that it's a Trump roleplay reference, "so-called judge" one I believe)

The vote for HD does too seem the reasonable path to take, though certainly not creating any waves, placed early enough to not be mindless following.


He put more than ordinary effort into this game, which in itself doesn't neccesarily doesn't have to be scummy(yeah yeah), which probably happened for some reason, presumably that there's more stuff to go by or whatever else that other games usually lack, but then he also goes on and calls the D1 abyssmal. I also found this:

Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 03:42 PM, said:

gives him an easy out if a khell train actually develops and he flips town.

its thin, but it day one and it jumped straight at me *shrug*

I was going to vote you for your jokey HD vote and removal but you were killer last time out so you're second on my list at the minute

Did he have need to point out that Tatts being a killer in the last game makes him less scummy because of the fact that Macc was a killer too?

Macros, on 21 February 2017 - 06:50 PM, said:

Blend.

Honestly.
if you ha went out, and tracked khell normally and made a case, there wouldn't be resistance. you have a totally baseless platform.
as has been mentioned, you have just been screaming khell must die hes evil! then as people have poo poo'd your screams, yu've turned it on them.
its utter nonsense.

We can't know if there would or would not be resistance. Was this a slip of the knowledge that Khell's not a scum hence there wouldn't (more like would be less likely to be) be a resistance?

I'm pretty sure there was something else I wanted to add but I can't think of anything else now, so

Vote Macros

Lots of this is kind of unintelligible, I'm guessing because of missing nested quotes or context, but for the underlined, yeah we can. Bullshit cases generally have some inherent unease, see JPQ. Absolutely baseless accusations? Yeah, that's going to automatically create a sense of WTFery.

His case is really no different than Bubba's on me.

Otherwise, playing as cautious and wary town is the case. Lol, this is meta as fuck.

[bubba]

Kell I think even you will admit that your CF will give this game the direction we need to find the scum. Be you scum or town, we will have a better chance of finding the killers if we truly know who you are.

[HoosierDaddy]

Siergiej, on 22 February 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

I've been doing some more reading and have developed two theories. One points at Mess, the other one points at Khell. But they're pretty much mutually exclusive.

Mess theory:
I stumbled upon it by accident, when I was reading Bubba in isolation. Look at the way Khell's train picks up steam. He gets 3 votes within 3 minutes. It takes him from carrying Blend's joke vote to actually becoming a serious lynch candidate. if you go back to that moment, only after it happens Blend starts being more serious about Khell's lynch.

This is how it played out:

Bubba, on 20 February 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

Blend, on 20 February 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:20 PM, said:

Which just proves what a standup, useful guy I am to have around.

See, now he's trying to butter you up. He's using alternative facts to make you believe what he wants you to believe. Don't fall for his tricks! Lynch Khell!

I hope you all see how the push to lynch me is a huge propaganda campaign from the fake and false media. They're pushing story after story and post after post at you with their own personal agendas.

These so-called townies are lying to you. It's terrible. But we know the truth, don't we? They're not on your side! They're just looking to take your jobs and your lives and line their own pockets.

Sad.

Hmmm.... a day one slip Kell?

remove vote


vote Kell


I'm off to work. have fun everybody

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

I fail to see the slip.

If we told you you'd know what not to do again...

Vote Khell

JPK, on 20 February 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

Yeah, the "so-called slip" seals the deal for me.

Vote Khell

(skipped Khell's answers for readability, they're irrelevant for now)

It seems like Bubba genuinely thinks he caught Khell red-handed. Mess jumps on this immediately with a vote - even though shortly before he accused Khell of trying to divert attention to JPK, he only laid his vote when he could put it on top of someone else's. Then a minute later JPK comes around which would be suspicious if he hasn't flipped RI (there is non-zero chance he was a symp, but we won't know that so I'm not considering it).

Such a quick build-up leads me to think there is a killer among these three. Bubba looks genuine, Mess looks scummy, and JPK looks dead. Not a hard choice.

He has also started building a case against me - and I pointed a finger at him before as a potential vote and called him out for fearmongering. Not surprised.

***

Khell theory:
I haven't really seen anything scummy about Khell's game in D1. The slip thing was overblown. But he looks much spookier in D2. I have already commented on the backpedalling from his JPK case. Khell claims he said that we should lynch him if JPK flips town because he was sure we were going to lynch him anyway. And I actually believe that part. He posted this just after getting these 3 rapid votes quoted above that put him at L-3:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

How about this. Lynch my target, whose scum CF will indicate I am town. If he's not scum (and he will be) then lynch me, I won't even fight it or nothing.


It's a win-win.

Let's assume that Khell is a Killer. Now, had Khell been lynched and flipped scum, I am pretty sure we would have taken that post as a ploy to VPI himself backfiring in Khell's face and lynched JPK immeditaely, wasting a day. That's as much as Khell could have been hoping for being sure he's about to get lynched. He admits himself that he started reversing his stance when JPK self-voted. That sealed Kitsu's fate, so Khell knew he was not going to get lynched. So he had to backpedal quickly from that ridiculous statement.

And then there is the theory that killers were on separate trains. It does look sensible, but Khell is pushing a little too hard:

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

To answer your question Bubba, let's take a look at the final tallies:

Quote

It is Day 1. 7 hours 3 minutes remaining
Players still alive: (JPK, Nom, Ment, Tatts, Khell, HD, Blend, Ando, Messremb, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)12 players alive.
7 votes to lynch, 6 to go night.
4 votes Khell (Blend, Bubba, Messremb, HD)
7 votes JPK (Khell, Mac, Nom, Ment, Ando, Tatts, JPK)
1 vote Blend (SiergieJ)

Players not voted: ()

JPK has been lynched. He was RI.

Now resolving night.

The fantastic thing is that everybody voted. Everybody had an opinion, or at least pretended that they did. Now, what are we thinking re scum numbers? Presumably, more than one.

I would reckon that scum would board separate trains when it's as close as it was. And they don't care about no lynch at this stage because it just means another day of no one looking at them, so they won't feel any pressure to both add to the lynching train.

Taking off JPK and Tatts, the trains are very similarly weighted, 4 and 5 (I am discounting Siergiej for the moment).

So we have Blend, Bubba, Mess, HD - which one is scummiest?

And we have Mac, Nom, Ment, Ando (and me, if you're not me) - which one is scummiest?

I would start with analysing the JPK train voters, because I think that there is a greater likelihood of multiple scum there, on the successful train, rather than on my train...but as I said, my personal suspicion is that they're split.

Khellendros, on 22 February 2017 - 09:58 AM, said:

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 09:10 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 11:10 PM, said:

The fantastic thing is that everybody voted. Everybody had an opinion, or at least pretended that they did. Now, what are we thinking re scum numbers? Presumably, more than one.

You did read the M&P bit of the signups, Khell? So if it is 1 then that is highly imbalanced. 12 players so 2 killers 1 symp for 4-1 or 2 killers 2 symps for 3-1.

Well exactly. What about that contradicts anything I've said? I think there are multiple scum, which seems obvious, and my personal belief is that there is at least one on each major train.

That gives us two nice smaller groups to go through. Other people might feel different, but I feel confident in eliminating some people as potential suspects (for now), which makes the groups even smaller. For example, Blend from the "Khell group".

Khellendros, on 22 February 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

Macros, on 22 February 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

4 votes Khell (Blend, Bubba, Messremb, HD)
7 votes JPK (Khell, Nom, Ment, Ando)

lets assume for a second there is a killer on each train.
on one side we have two super high posters and two players without a lot to go on.
on the other, the Khell, and 3 players without a lot to go on.

I just don't see Blend/ mess as killers unless they've gone balls to the wall. I suppose it's possible

going to look at bubba.hd in iso first

then the other 4

Agreed on this though, i.e. discounting Blend and Mess for now - as killers anyway.

Of course, the killer on each train was my idea originally, so perhaps not surprising that I agree

It just feels like Khell had a vested interest in convincing us the Killers were on separate trains. This makes perfect sense if he was a Killer and knew for a fact that his partner was on the JPK train as well. That would, of course, rule out Mess.

I need to do more reading before I cast my vote, right now it's between these two. I feel like there is more to the case on Khell, but I also think Mess' CF will tell us more - if he flips town, there are only 2 people left from Khell train from D1.

Now for a short break, but I'm around.

Part 1: The "Messremb" case. This, actually, the more I think about it makes a bit a sense. The "I'm going to joke vote you", "we're going to get you", bide your time and then leap at a chance actually makes sense. I don't know how Bubba misread that roleplay, but it seemed genuine, if confusing. I've done it before, specifically the original Team Fortress 1 game, which was also unalted and chock full of meta cases.

Part 2: The "Khell" case. Khell is playing as if he knows he is town and innocent. Better anyone than him 'cause you can't trust anyone else. I also agree that the Blend + Messremb as a paired team is just at this point in time not realistic. I haven't really read Khell as I have Blend, but when you are defending yourself for what you think are justified reasons, you tend to wonder the fuck people are thinking.

[HoosierDaddy]

Itwæs Nom, on 22 February 2017 - 10:41 PM, said:

Here's one thing I forgot, except for Kitsu who was against Macros and Macros was sure to vote early, the only other person to voice any, though admittedly moderate, supicions was Tatts:

Tattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 03:39 PM, said:

Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

I actually really like nickelback, hating them is just something that has become internet cool to do.
They play their own instruments, write their own songs and don't mime live.
This puts them ahead of 90% of the shite played on "popular" radio.

that aside. I'm coming out swinging

vote blend

Nothing to do with my vote on HD or Blend's on Khell?

It's not like you to vote straight off the bat

And this minor one

Tattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

Re: Nickelback

Evidently if you are into crowds with lots of pretty 20's women, it's a good eye candy concert.

Also, some of these don't seem like joke votes.

So what does voting for Venge in sign up have to do with Blend actually voting for Khell? Trying to make it seem just like I'm going to knock someone out of my list when there are alternative reasons?

Mac has just said the same thing.

Something in that? Or scum team collaborating?

Is this trying to join me and Mac? I'm confused. My post was sheerly about the sign-up thread, don't know what it has to do with Nickleback or Tatts.

[Khellendros]

Bubba, on 23 February 2017 - 01:40 AM, said:

Kell I think even you will admit that your CF will give this game the direction we need to find the scum. Be you scum or town, we will have a better chance of finding the killers if we truly know who you are.

This game would be a lot easier if you guys just admitted that you need me alive to solve this thing! You don't need my CF, you just need me to give you direction and purpose (uh, with my words, rather than my corpse).

I will

Vote Macros

as I think there might be ulterior motives to his anger at those voting for me (if that turns out not to be the case, apologies Mac!). He was early on the JPK train, at a time when my lynch still seemed the most likely, so it could be like a, 'well I told you so idiots' upon my CF coming up. Then JPK becomes the perfect day 2 target. It didn't work out quite like that and Mac has been distinctly quieter today, perhaps waiting to see if the Khell train starts up again so he can continue with this act.

I do want to note that I am not entirely sold on this - I actually felt more confident about JPK - but it's what I came up with without a full-on analysis of yesterday. I will try to be around near timeout but in all likelihood I'll miss it.

[HoosierDaddy]

Siergiej, on 22 February 2017 - 11:42 PM, said:

Been doing a read on HD. Can someone who has played more games with him confirm if fence sitting is actually his play style? This is how he jumps on the Khell train:

HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 02:09 AM, said:

Alright, I have it at 4x4x1: JPK, Khell, Blend.

I'll stick around for a bit but I always lay a vote down before I go to bed for the most part.

Seems to me as if there is an intractable group of 3 voters, while others might see reason. I think it's best to relieve this situation now, but I don't necessarily agree with the tactics.

For now:

Vote Khellenderos

This is after roughly a million posts about nothing or asking what's up with the whole Khell train. HD hedges this stance further right here:

HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 04:00 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

Also, if my partner self-voted to put themselves at L-1 I'd be blowing them up in PMs to Path Shaper, lol.

Yes but look at what Blend just said about your possible cf, has you as PI. Just a thought but 3 votes went down on Khell quite quick after his vote of JPK and Bubba was the one to start that. If JPK comes back as scum, you'd be who I would look at first.

Fair enough.

But, in context, my vote still isn't really for Khell. It's more for alleviating the clusterfuck on thread.

Tehn on D2 he promises a read on me, Bubba, and Ando. This read never materializes.

HD does what I like to do when I'm scum - claim the lynch train is stupid and misguided and then drop an oh well vote. I'd like to hear what others think about that.

Anymore I tend to play only High TMDI or certain book/movie related games that interest me. I'm only in this because it's unalted. Don't remember the last M and P I played. My playstyle probably more reflects the more factiony aspect of the higher TMDI games.

My vote wasn't because the train was stupid, by the by, it's because I felt one of two needed to go. Didn't work out that way.

Read didn't materialize because I've been gone all day. Still am just catching up. I'll get around to it. I actually liked your earlier case on Messremb, but top poster usually isn't scum, but this game hasn't followed norms.

[HoosierDaddy]

Khellendros, on 23 February 2017 - 12:02 AM, said:

Siergiej, on 22 February 2017 - 11:52 PM, said:

Ando hasn't produced much content and I'd like to see more from him. He was mostly annoyed with Blend (no way) and has turned his attention towards Khell in D2. Which is similar to what I have done, so I can hardly consider that very scummy. Though the reason why Ando is going after Khell is far reaching:

Andorion, on 22 February 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.


Instead, I propose an experiment: lynch Blend or Tatts and see if their heads literally explode. Blend, Tatts, we'll require a live video feed.

Hang on a second...

That comment about lynching is fine given Blend pushing, but why is Khell thinking in terms of killing?

Only a killer worries about killing.

Ergo Khell is scum

Now that I've read up on the three that I was missing from my radar, I would add HD to my suspicion list. Andorion has been lying low which is interesting, but there are better leads for now. Bubba seemed genuine when going after Khell for the 'so-called slip' even if it was a weaksauce case.

I would like to test one of my theories. I kind of feel like the one about Khell is better, but in case I'm wrong, we're better off having Mess' CF - because this will only leave three people from the Khell's train in play. I'm heading to bed soon, should be up shortly before timeout. For now:

vote Messremb

But what are you suggesting here? If Mess turns up town, lynch the next person on the train? Then the next? And the next? What if I'm scum and they're all townies? Yes, I am town, but you can't be sure of that unless you're scum. But here your reason for voting Mess appears to be even if it comes up town, it whittles down the list.

Now, the idea itself - that there's at least one scum on my train - is definitely viable and something I believe too. So I don't take issue with that. But the way you have presented it here seems odd, it seems to be taking for granted that I am town (and yes, I realise you have said you're suspicious of me too, but your reasoning for voting Mess only works if you believe I am town).

Call it what it is: Setting up future lynches.

[HoosierDaddy]

Messremb, on 23 February 2017 - 01:11 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 23 February 2017 - 01:08 AM, said:

Blend, on 22 February 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

I still don't understand this blind rage thing.

I stand by the fact that that was a fantastic Day 1, and that there is now a TON of information on thread that wouldn't have been there if I hadn't done what I did.

Well, you managed to create a bunch of shit cases. I don't think you are a killer, that's way too ballsy play. But the idea of you as symp makes a lot of sense. Problem is, you literally symped the entire thread other than Khell.

It's potentially a very effective symping of Khell...

If by effective you mean crazy not like a fox, lol.

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm between Siergej for taking the "two killers on different trains" let's narrow down Khell's one by one till we find a killer and Messremb for what I consider a bolder, play with JPQ and Blend on Khell until it gets real.

Of the two, the previous seems scummier, if not sneakier than the latter.

Vote Siergeij

(or however you spell it), sorry.

(Also, I have no idea what count is and time remaining is, PS).

[Path-Shaper]

I'm home now, let me get caught up.