[Fanderay]

So there are four reactions to Mockra's case, all of them expressing that they don't find the evidence all that conclusive: Ultama, Gamelon, Alkend and Tulas Shorn. Of these, it's Alkend's that I find most interesting:

Alkend, on 27 December 2016 - 04:23 PM, said:

I detect a bit of day one nonsense about these votes.

I also am suffering from a savage hangover, that I intend to cure with more stout.

vote serc

Because I think he wants me to want to

The bit about 'day one nonsense' makes him the third person to poo-poo Mockra's case, so there's a 'following-the-herd' vibe going on. Then he follows up by joining in with Pallid and Serc's vote dropping stuff...also following the herd. Feels like he might be scum trying a bit too hard to fit in.

Vote Alkend

[Fanderay]

Bek Okhan, on 27 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

vote Serc




because of all the joke votes that one makes the least sense.

Interesting, we crossposted on votes out of the Pallid/Serc/Alkend trio but found different players out of the three suspicious! Care to elaborate on what made you pick the one you did?

[Bek Okhan]

Fanderay, on 27 December 2016 - 11:16 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 27 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

vote Serc




because of all the joke votes that one makes the least sense.

Interesting, we crossposted on votes out of the Pallid/Serc/Alkend trio but found different players out of the three suspicious! Care to elaborate on what made you pick the one you did?

Pallid's vote on TS is stupid, because TS isn't actually role-speculating, just talking about the possibility of role speculating.

But when serc votes Pallid, instead of giving this type of reasoning, he makes a joke vote, based on the wording of Pallid's own vote post.

It feels of trying to fit in too much.




Alkend's vote on Serc follows the same pattern, but Serc's response feels like it's stretching the initial "joke" part of all 3 votes too thin.

[Gamelon]

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 10:16 PM, said:

Hanas, on 27 December 2016 - 09:30 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 December 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 06:19 PM, said:

I was hoping by making the joke that we could avoid losing a townie to another stupid lynch.

And attracted a vote instead. Brilliant strategy!

Perhaps it's even more brilliant and both the results are not contradictory at all!

At this point, I'm ok with dying. Yeah, I'd prefer that I live to play a bit longer, but my death gives the detectives something to look into.

Though if you decode top go that route, I will state that being lynched for making a joke about role spec would rank as the dumbest reason you guys have lynched me yet.

The only time we don't lynch a townie for a stupid reason on day 1 is when Bubba is scum.

[Bek Okhan]

*goes to check signups*

Ok, Bubba's not playing this time.

[Pallid]

Gamelon, on 28 December 2016 - 04:49 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 10:16 PM, said:

Hanas, on 27 December 2016 - 09:30 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 December 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 06:19 PM, said:

I was hoping by making the joke that we could avoid losing a townie to another stupid lynch.

And attracted a vote instead. Brilliant strategy!

Perhaps it's even more brilliant and both the results are not contradictory at all!

At this point, I'm ok with dying. Yeah, I'd prefer that I live to play a bit longer, but my death gives the detectives something to look into.

Though if you decode top go that route, I will state that being lynched for making a joke about role spec would rank as the dumbest reason you guys have lynched me yet.

The only time we don't lynch a townie for a stupid reason on day 1 is when Bubba is scum.

Yes. Day one is random crap shot but its good to see multiple possible lynches.

You think there is something in the votes already? My reason was a shit reason but others felt the need to put other options on the table.

[Ultama]

Is it me, or Tulas is way too serious about explaining a joke? This pings my scumdar:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 06:19 PM, said:

Pallid, on 27 December 2016 - 06:07 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 25 December 2016 - 08:58 PM, said:

I exist, and now I hope to see some others in here soon.

Hmm, should I start trying to speculate on roles to see how fast I get lynched?

No real reason for pickung Tulas out of the hat except I slightly didn't like the question.

It's like he is daring us to vote for him. So I obliged.

It wasn't so much a dare as bringing up the seemingly ever lingering specter of day 1 role speculation. Someone does it nearly every game, and inevitably gets themselves lynched in the process. And as long as I've been playing with you guys, it's been a town loss EVERY time it's happened. I was hoping by making the joke that we could avoid losing a townie to another stupid lynch.

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 10:16 PM, said:

Hanas, on 27 December 2016 - 09:30 PM, said:

Serc, on 27 December 2016 - 07:57 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 06:19 PM, said:

I was hoping by making the joke that we could avoid losing a townie to another stupid lynch.

And attracted a vote instead. Brilliant strategy!

Perhaps it's even more brilliant and both the results are not contradictory at all!

At this point, I'm ok with dying. Yeah, I'd prefer that I live to play a bit longer, but my death gives the detectives something to look into.

Though if you decode top go that route, I will state that being lynched for making a joke about role spec would rank as the dumbest reason you guys have lynched me yet.

[Fanderay]

Ultama, on 28 December 2016 - 09:56 AM, said:

Is it me, or Tulas is way too serious about explaining a joke? This pings my scumdar:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 06:19 PM, said:

It wasn't so much a dare as bringing up the seemingly ever lingering specter of day 1 role speculation. Someone does it nearly every game, and inevitably gets themselves lynched in the process. And as long as I've been playing with you guys, it's been a town loss EVERY time it's happened. I was hoping by making the joke that we could avoid losing a townie to another stupid lynch.

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 10:16 PM, said:

At this point, I'm ok with dying. Yeah, I'd prefer that I live to play a bit longer, but my death gives the detectives something to look into.

Though if you decode top go that route, I will state that being lynched for making a joke about role spec would rank as the dumbest reason you guys have lynched me yet.

(some quotes snipped for brevity)

I agree these commands are a bit weird. TS is absurdly fatalistic in these comments - he has one vote on him and lots of time left in the day. As Hanas pointed out, he's acting like he's at L-1 despite being nowhere near.

Had a think about why that could be, but it feels very WIFOM - virtue signalling to try to avoid a bad lynch, or scum playing the dutiful RI to give us the slip? Hard to tell between the two.

[Gamelon]

Fanderay, on 28 December 2016 - 11:52 AM, said:

Ultama, on 28 December 2016 - 09:56 AM, said:

Is it me, or Tulas is way too serious about explaining a joke? This pings my scumdar:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 06:19 PM, said:

It wasn't so much a dare as bringing up the seemingly ever lingering specter of day 1 role speculation. Someone does it nearly every game, and inevitably gets themselves lynched in the process. And as long as I've been playing with you guys, it's been a town loss EVERY time it's happened. I was hoping by making the joke that we could avoid losing a townie to another stupid lynch.

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 10:16 PM, said:

At this point, I'm ok with dying. Yeah, I'd prefer that I live to play a bit longer, but my death gives the detectives something to look into.

Though if you decode top go that route, I will state that being lynched for making a joke about role spec would rank as the dumbest reason you guys have lynched me yet.

(some quotes snipped for brevity)

I agree these commands are a bit weird. TS is absurdly fatalistic in these comments - he has one vote on him and lots of time left in the day. As Hanas pointed out, he's acting like he's at L-1 despite being nowhere near.

Had a think about why that could be, but it feels very WIFOM - virtue signalling to try to avoid a bad lynch, or scum playing the dutiful RI to give us the slip? Hard to tell between the two.

I thought it was odd that he was talking about getting lynched already, but I has not considered an over-earnest scum. Given how scum have recently won games by sober, middle-of-the-road play, I think this is worth some attention

[Mockra]

TS does sound weird, but I think he is just a townie who has confused the "It's fine if you die as town" with "Roll over and die if you are targeted as town".

I find it sad and rather offensive that people think I made a "case" against Fanderay. He was being annoying and I tried to shut him up. The least I do while making a case is vote for the idiot I'm accusing.

I'm not sure who to vote for right now. On one hand, Pallid suddenly voted for AP and left their vote there for some reason. On the other hand, there are two votes on Serc and one vote on Alkend (I think) because of early day jokes. Since I wouldn't be able to check the thread before the day ends, these are the choices I have:

Pallid (0): Unexplained vote. Has five posts. One of them is his check in. One of them is a joke vote on TS. Another one explains the joke reasoning for his TS vote. The fourth is an unexplained vote for AP and the fifth doesn't say anything useful at all.

Aparal Forge(1): He already has a vote on him and we need a lynch. I don't think this is good enough. Although he is the second lowest poster in the game and that makes me want to kill him.

Alkend(1): Only has two posts. One of them is the regular hail and the other one is a joke vote on Serc. Again a low poster that I would be totally support a lynch on under normal day1 circumstances.

Serc(2): His first post is a joke vote, his second post is a joke. The third joke is something meta (which is against the rules btw), the fourth is another joke (actually I just realized he also has a "hello" post on the first page). One Alkend vote and another BO vote. The Alkend vote is a joke and the BO vote is based on gut because his humor(?) is unnatural.

Fanderay(0): He is annoying.

I would be fine voting 2-5 under normal circumstances. However, the weird and tbh, rather suspicious behavior of Pallid cannot and should not be ignored.

Vote Pallid

I will try to be back around day end, but no guarantees.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 13 hours remain,

12 Players still alive:

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 vote serc:alkend, BO,
2 vote pallid:serc. mockra
1 vote aparal forge:pallid
1 vote alkend:fanderay


Players not voted:, Ultama, Hanas, Aparal Forge, Omtose.

Should be back from work by days end to do resolution

edit:made a mistake mb

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 28 December 2016 - 01:18 PM

[Mockra]

Path-Shaper, on 28 December 2016 - 01:08 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 13 hours remain,

12 Players still alive:

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

3 vote serc:alkend, BO, fanderay
2 vote pallid:serc. mockra
1 vote aparal forge:pallid



Players not voted:, Ultama, Hanas, Aparal Forge, Omtose.

Should be back from work by days end to do resolution

Fairly certain your vote count is wrong PS. Fanderay's last vote was on Alkend.

I realize now that my previous post containted a mistake, as Serc had voted for Pallid before I did.

[Fanderay]

Path-Shaper, on 28 December 2016 - 01:08 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 13 hours remain,

12 Players still alive:

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

3 vote serc:alkend, BO, fanderay
2 vote pallid:serc. mockra
1 vote aparal forge:pallid



Players not voted:, Ultama, Hanas, Aparal Forge, Omtose.

Should be back from work by days end to do resolution

My vote was on Alkend, not Serc.

EDIT: X-post with Mockra. Small minds seldom differ and all that.

This post has been edited by Fanderay: 28 December 2016 - 01:17 PM

[Fanderay]

Anyone around to talk about stuff? Feels kind of dead in here...

[Fanderay]

OK, here's some stuff I've been thinking about:

Since we rarely lynch scum on Day 1, it's worth thinking about what we can do differently to stand a chance this time. I don't think it's a great idea to jump on inconsistencies, because actually unless you have a new player as scum they aren't going to give themselves away like that. So what should we be doing instead? My opinion is that you look for playstyle, you look for people going below the radar, you look for people participating but who don't really have their heart in it.

So how do we apply that to this game? Well I'm having a look through and I can see a few players who don't seem to be putting their money where their mouths are. Maybe these are scum players who don't want to look too trigger happy? Those players are Ultama and Gamelon:

First, here is Ultama, pointing something out as scummy but not having the conviction to go through with a vote:

Ultama, on 28 December 2016 - 09:56 AM, said:

Is it me, or Tulas is way too serious about explaining a joke? This pings my scumdar:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 06:19 PM, said:

It wasn't so much a dare as bringing up the seemingly ever lingering specter of day 1 role speculation. Someone does it nearly every game, and inevitably gets themselves lynched in the process. And as long as I've been playing with you guys, it's been a town loss EVERY time it's happened. I was hoping by making the joke that we could avoid losing a townie to another stupid lynch.

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 10:16 PM, said:

At this point, I'm ok with dying. Yeah, I'd prefer that I live to play a bit longer, but my death gives the detectives something to look into.

Though if you decode top go that route, I will state that being lynched for making a joke about role spec would rank as the dumbest reason you guys have lynched me yet.

No vote with this? It's Day 1 - if any day is a good day for throwing your vote around, it's this one. With so many players in the game, one vote doesn't shift the balance. And we need the pressure that comes from people having the threat of lynching to get things started.

Then there's Gamelon:

Gamelon, on 28 December 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 28 December 2016 - 11:52 AM, said:

(some quotes snipped for brevity)

I agree these commands are a bit weird. TS is absurdly fatalistic in these comments - he has one vote on him and lots of time left in the day. As Hanas pointed out, he's acting like he's at L-1 despite being nowhere near.

Had a think about why that could be, but it feels very WIFOM - virtue signalling to try to avoid a bad lynch, or scum playing the dutiful RI to give us the slip? Hard to tell between the two.

I thought it was odd that he was talking about getting lynched already, but I has not considered an over-earnest scum. Given how scum have recently won games by sober, middle-of-the-road play, I think this is worth some attention

Gamelon hadn't considered over-earnest scum as a possibility? This is Mafia! I find that highly unlikely. He's trying to fluff up the 'scum' side of a WIFOM argument, which goes against the whole point of WIFOM. Trying to skip the alternative interpretation makes it seem as though he's being deliberately obtuse. And having done that, he can't bring himself to cast a vote either.

So I don't like either of these two, but of the two, I'm probably less impressed with Gamelon.

Remove Vote
Vote Gamelon

[Gamelon]

Fanderay, on 28 December 2016 - 02:45 PM, said:

OK, here's some stuff I've been thinking about:

Since we rarely lynch scum on Day 1, it's worth thinking about what we can do differently to stand a chance this time. I don't think it's a great idea to jump on inconsistencies, because actually unless you have a new player as scum they aren't going to give themselves away like that. So what should we be doing instead? My opinion is that you look for playstyle, you look for people going below the radar, you look for people participating but who don't really have their heart in it.

So how do we apply that to this game? Well I'm having a look through and I can see a few players who don't seem to be putting their money where their mouths are. Maybe these are scum players who don't want to look too trigger happy? Those players are Ultama and Gamelon:

First, here is Ultama, pointing something out as scummy but not having the conviction to go through with a vote:

Ultama, on 28 December 2016 - 09:56 AM, said:

Is it me, or Tulas is way too serious about explaining a joke? This pings my scumdar:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 06:19 PM, said:

It wasn't so much a dare as bringing up the seemingly ever lingering specter of day 1 role speculation. Someone does it nearly every game, and inevitably gets themselves lynched in the process. And as long as I've been playing with you guys, it's been a town loss EVERY time it's happened. I was hoping by making the joke that we could avoid losing a townie to another stupid lynch.

Tulas Shorn, on 27 December 2016 - 10:16 PM, said:

At this point, I'm ok with dying. Yeah, I'd prefer that I live to play a bit longer, but my death gives the detectives something to look into.

Though if you decode top go that route, I will state that being lynched for making a joke about role spec would rank as the dumbest reason you guys have lynched me yet.

No vote with this? It's Day 1 - if any day is a good day for throwing your vote around, it's this one. With so many players in the game, one vote doesn't shift the balance. And we need the pressure that comes from people having the threat of lynching to get things started.

Then there's Gamelon:

Gamelon, on 28 December 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 28 December 2016 - 11:52 AM, said:

(some quotes snipped for brevity)

I agree these commands are a bit weird. TS is absurdly fatalistic in these comments - he has one vote on him and lots of time left in the day. As Hanas pointed out, he's acting like he's at L-1 despite being nowhere near.

Had a think about why that could be, but it feels very WIFOM - virtue signalling to try to avoid a bad lynch, or scum playing the dutiful RI to give us the slip? Hard to tell between the two.

I thought it was odd that he was talking about getting lynched already, but I has not considered an over-earnest scum. Given how scum have recently won games by sober, middle-of-the-road play, I think this is worth some attention

Gamelon hadn't considered over-earnest scum as a possibility? This is Mafia! I find that highly unlikely. He's trying to fluff up the 'scum' side of a WIFOM argument, which goes against the whole point of WIFOM. Trying to skip the alternative interpretation makes it seem as though he's being deliberately obtuse. And having done that, he can't bring himself to cast a vote either.

So I don't like either of these two, but of the two, I'm probably less impressed with Gamelon.

Remove Vote
Vote Gamelon

Uh-huh..

Ok Fanderay first of all I really like how you took my underlined comment, and then changed it around to your underlined comment, and then somehow tried to throw it back at me.

No I actually had not started looking at earnest scum because that sort of thing requires a pattern and there is fuck all of a pattern in a low posting Day 1.

I had simply noted that this sort of scum behaviour is worthy of note.

And as for Tulas, yeah his play is strange. I did not vote then as I was waiting till I did a quick read.

[Hanas]

Bek Okhan, on 27 December 2016 - 11:29 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 27 December 2016 - 11:16 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 27 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

vote Serc




because of all the joke votes that one makes the least sense.

Interesting, we crossposted on votes out of the Pallid/Serc/Alkend trio but found different players out of the three suspicious! Care to elaborate on what made you pick the one you did?

Pallid's vote on TS is stupid, because TS isn't actually role-speculating, just talking about the possibility of role speculating.

But when serc votes Pallid, instead of giving this type of reasoning, he makes a joke vote, based on the wording of Pallid's own vote post.

It feels of trying to fit in too much.

Alkend's vote on Serc follows the same pattern, but Serc's response feels like it's stretching the initial "joke" part of all 3 votes too thin.

That seems kinda different reason than just "least sense joke vote", and why did you need Fande's prompt to provide the more elaborate reason? It looks like you're jsut trying to get some vote in without actually caring about the reasons you provided and only making up better reasons when asked to - the lack of heart that Fande mentioned.

[Hanas]

Mockra, on 28 December 2016 - 12:35 PM, said:

TS does sound weird, but I think he is just a townie who has confused the "It's fine if you die as town" with "Roll over and die if you are targeted as town".

I find it sad and rather offensive that people think I made a "case" against Fanderay. He was being annoying and I tried to shut him up. The least I do while making a case is vote for the idiot I'm accusing.

I'm not sure who to vote for right now. On one hand, Pallid suddenly voted for AP and left their vote there for some reason. On the other hand, there are two votes on Serc and one vote on Alkend (I think) because of early day jokes. Since I wouldn't be able to check the thread before the day ends, these are the choices I have:

Pallid (0): Unexplained vote. Has five posts. One of them is his check in. One of them is a joke vote on TS. Another one explains the joke reasoning for his TS vote. The fourth is an unexplained vote for AP and the fifth doesn't say anything useful at all.

Aparal Forge(1): He already has a vote on him and we need a lynch. I don't think this is good enough. Although he is the second lowest poster in the game and that makes me want to kill him.

Alkend(1): Only has two posts. One of them is the regular hail and the other one is a joke vote on Serc. Again a low poster that I would be totally support a lynch on under normal day1 circumstances.

Serc(2): His first post is a joke vote, his second post is a joke. The third joke is something meta (which is against the rules btw), the fourth is another joke (actually I just realized he also has a "hello" post on the first page). One Alkend vote and another BO vote. The Alkend vote is a joke and the BO vote is based on gut because his humor(?) is unnatural.

Fanderay(0): He is annoying.

I would be fine voting 2-5 under normal circumstances. However, the weird and tbh, rather suspicious behavior of Pallid cannot and should not be ignored.

Vote Pallid

I will try to be back around day end, but no guarantees.

I too saw your "case" on Fande as testing them under pressure so it's supriising to see you're now calling them annoying and would like to vote them and for this reason, in your position I'd find those who called it a non-sense more annoying, not like that should be a good reason to vote even on D1

[Pallid]

Mockras big post screams scum to me. Protecting Tulas maybe, because the three posts before hinted at Tulas' "woe is me" posts. Next he makes that post and votes for me. It doesn't make sense.

[Pallid]

remove vote

Vote Tulas

My initial vote on him was random, my next on Aparal was the same but this one is based off people leaning towards Tulas when Mockra makes a move.