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Posted 07 January 2017 - 06:43 PM
Alkend, on 07 January 2017 - 06:41 PM, said:
Mockra wasn't getting much scrutiny at all, in fact I'd say one of the first proper cases on him came from Ultama
Exactly. Ultama made the main case against Mockra. I started noticing him after that.
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 06:48 PM
Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 05:30 PM, said:
About Mockra he was quickly recieving more an more scrutiny at that point and a number of players found him suspicious, of course
When you're done scrambling go back a couple of pages and look up who started the scrutiny against Mockra
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Ultama, on 03 January 2017 - 02:01 PM, said:
I've been re-reading the thread with intention to look at Gamelon, who was my preferred lynch the other day, but the more I'm reading into it, the stronger I feel that our killer has been hiding in plain sight. Hey, Mockra.
Here, Mockra is the first to try focusing the thread's attention on someone. It's obviously weaksauce, but doesn't stop Mockra from trying to sow suspicion about Fanderay being a symp.
It seemed churlish not to offer everyone else the opportunity before diving in. After all, manners maketh man (or in this case, giant dog thing).
You didn't offer anyone anything.
You posted the easiest possible thing that would get you out of "low-poster" accusations 72 hours from now. At the same time putting yourself in a position to accuse others of the same thing. I don't think that's the optimal play for scum (it draws too much attention and it's too amateurish), but it is a lazy way to play town.
The other possibility is that you're the symp of course.
Shortly after people start pointing out that this is a nonsense accusation. So Mockra quickly retracts it, claiming it's offensive to think that he was even trying to make a case. Which is bullshit, because that's precisely what he was doing. It gets even more interesting further. Just look at tha list. There's barely any thoughts beyond the summary of what each player did. It's an easy way to look like you're analysing the thread, when all you're doing is regurgitating people's posts.
Here is another list, very similar to the first, tho to be fair the later summary on Gamelon does hold up. The jab at me doesn't, which I have pointed out earlier already.
And here is the scummiest of them all. When AF is at L-2, Mockra states clearly that he is okay with the lynch (tho he doesn't seem overly concerned with who is going to be lynched anyway - makes sense if he's the killer) but reasonably does not lay the vote. Being this far on a train is a vulnerable position and Mockra decides to hedge that position first. So he pretty much secures the lynch with his support for the train, but tries to play a good guy with holding his vote for a little longer. He can afford that, because he knows his position is secure.
Will be around more after work. For now:
vote Mockra
Here, Mockra is the first to try focusing the thread's attention on someone. It's obviously weaksauce, but doesn't stop Mockra from trying to sow suspicion about Fanderay being a symp.
Mockra, on 27 December 2016 - 08:31 AM, said:
Fanderay, on 27 December 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:
Mockra, on 27 December 2016 - 02:00 AM, said:
What's stopping you from doing it?
It seemed churlish not to offer everyone else the opportunity before diving in. After all, manners maketh man (or in this case, giant dog thing).
You didn't offer anyone anything.
You posted the easiest possible thing that would get you out of "low-poster" accusations 72 hours from now. At the same time putting yourself in a position to accuse others of the same thing. I don't think that's the optimal play for scum (it draws too much attention and it's too amateurish), but it is a lazy way to play town.
The other possibility is that you're the symp of course.
Shortly after people start pointing out that this is a nonsense accusation. So Mockra quickly retracts it, claiming it's offensive to think that he was even trying to make a case. Which is bullshit, because that's precisely what he was doing. It gets even more interesting further. Just look at tha list. There's barely any thoughts beyond the summary of what each player did. It's an easy way to look like you're analysing the thread, when all you're doing is regurgitating people's posts.
Mockra, on 28 December 2016 - 12:35 PM, said:
TS does sound weird, but I think he is just a townie who has confused the "It's fine if you die as town" with "Roll over and die if you are targeted as town".
I find it sad and rather offensive that people think I made a "case" against Fanderay. He was being annoying and I tried to shut him up. The least I do while making a case is vote for the idiot I'm accusing.
I'm not sure who to vote for right now. On one hand, Pallid suddenly voted for AP and left their vote there for some reason. On the other hand, there are two votes on Serc and one vote on Alkend (I think) because of early day jokes. Since I wouldn't be able to check the thread before the day ends, these are the choices I have:
Pallid (0): Unexplained vote. Has five posts. One of them is his check in. One of them is a joke vote on TS. Another one explains the joke reasoning for his TS vote. The fourth is an unexplained vote for AP and the fifth doesn't say anything useful at all.
Aparal Forge(1): He already has a vote on him and we need a lynch. I don't think this is good enough. Although he is the second lowest poster in the game and that makes me want to kill him.
Alkend(1): Only has two posts. One of them is the regular hail and the other one is a joke vote on Serc. Again a low poster that I would be totally support a lynch on under normal day1 circumstances.
Serc(2): His first post is a joke vote, his second post is a joke. The third joke is something meta (which is against the rules btw), the fourth is another joke (actually I just realized he also has a "hello" post on the first page). One Alkend vote and another BO vote. The Alkend vote is a joke and the BO vote is based on gut because his humor(?) is unnatural.
Fanderay(0): He is annoying.
I would be fine voting 2-5 under normal circumstances. However, the weird and tbh, rather suspicious behavior of Pallid cannot and should not be ignored.
Vote Pallid
I will try to be back around day end, but no guarantees.
I find it sad and rather offensive that people think I made a "case" against Fanderay. He was being annoying and I tried to shut him up. The least I do while making a case is vote for the idiot I'm accusing.
I'm not sure who to vote for right now. On one hand, Pallid suddenly voted for AP and left their vote there for some reason. On the other hand, there are two votes on Serc and one vote on Alkend (I think) because of early day jokes. Since I wouldn't be able to check the thread before the day ends, these are the choices I have:
Pallid (0): Unexplained vote. Has five posts. One of them is his check in. One of them is a joke vote on TS. Another one explains the joke reasoning for his TS vote. The fourth is an unexplained vote for AP and the fifth doesn't say anything useful at all.
Aparal Forge(1): He already has a vote on him and we need a lynch. I don't think this is good enough. Although he is the second lowest poster in the game and that makes me want to kill him.
Alkend(1): Only has two posts. One of them is the regular hail and the other one is a joke vote on Serc. Again a low poster that I would be totally support a lynch on under normal day1 circumstances.
Serc(2): His first post is a joke vote, his second post is a joke. The third joke is something meta (which is against the rules btw), the fourth is another joke (actually I just realized he also has a "hello" post on the first page). One Alkend vote and another BO vote. The Alkend vote is a joke and the BO vote is based on gut because his humor(?) is unnatural.
Fanderay(0): He is annoying.
I would be fine voting 2-5 under normal circumstances. However, the weird and tbh, rather suspicious behavior of Pallid cannot and should not be ignored.
Vote Pallid
I will try to be back around day end, but no guarantees.
Here is another list, very similar to the first, tho to be fair the later summary on Gamelon does hold up. The jab at me doesn't, which I have pointed out earlier already.
Mockra, on 29 December 2016 - 04:53 AM, said:
Doing a quick reread of the Pallid lynch.
Vote 1: Serc, a joke vote. I didn't notice this vote on Pallid before I made my case and laid down my vote.
Vote 2: Me (Mockra), I thought Pallid's voting pattern on thread was suspicious. Added to the lack of any substance whatsoever to his posts made me vote him.
Vote 3: Alkend, this one swung to vote in Pallid's direction. At this point there were two votes on TS (Ultama and AP) and two votes on Gameleon (Fanderay and Pallid).
Hanas then proceeds to vote for Gameleon to balance the two trains.
Vote 4: AP switches their vote from TS.
Ultama proceeds to change their vote from TS to Gameleon.
Vote 5: Fanderay switches over from Gameleon to get a lynch.
Vote 6: Hanas switches from Gameleon to get a lynch.
Vote 7: Ultama Hammers.
I found AP's resistance to the Pallid lynch not that suspicious.
In this whole debacle, something didn't feel right at all. I remember seeing posts from Gameleon after Fanderay made their case and voted for Gameleon. He even defended himself by answering Fanderay's case. However, even though Gam was around when he was a viable candidate for a lynch (the 2-2-2 lock off with Pallid and TS after people started piling away from TS), they never voted for anyone to swing the train. This does not look like a town thing to do.
A normal townie would attempt to deflect the lynch train away from themselves (because they are sure of their own identity and unsure of other people's identities - Pallid demonstrated this perfectly during the lynch train by voting for Gam - It is even partly the reason OMGUS votes exist). Gameleon not doing this makes me suspect that he was unwilling to commit to swinging the lynch towards Pallid because he knew Pallid would CF town, and he didn't want to draw attention as the person who swung the vote to the other direction.
I'm going to
Vote Gameleon
for now.
I would note that the Ultama vote hopping to all three viable lynch trains and then hammering remarkable as well. However, I'm not sure if that is an overeager town or scum trying to fit in.
Vote 1: Serc, a joke vote. I didn't notice this vote on Pallid before I made my case and laid down my vote.
Vote 2: Me (Mockra), I thought Pallid's voting pattern on thread was suspicious. Added to the lack of any substance whatsoever to his posts made me vote him.
Vote 3: Alkend, this one swung to vote in Pallid's direction. At this point there were two votes on TS (Ultama and AP) and two votes on Gameleon (Fanderay and Pallid).
Hanas then proceeds to vote for Gameleon to balance the two trains.
Vote 4: AP switches their vote from TS.
Ultama proceeds to change their vote from TS to Gameleon.
Vote 5: Fanderay switches over from Gameleon to get a lynch.
Vote 6: Hanas switches from Gameleon to get a lynch.
Vote 7: Ultama Hammers.
I found AP's resistance to the Pallid lynch not that suspicious.
In this whole debacle, something didn't feel right at all. I remember seeing posts from Gameleon after Fanderay made their case and voted for Gameleon. He even defended himself by answering Fanderay's case. However, even though Gam was around when he was a viable candidate for a lynch (the 2-2-2 lock off with Pallid and TS after people started piling away from TS), they never voted for anyone to swing the train. This does not look like a town thing to do.
A normal townie would attempt to deflect the lynch train away from themselves (because they are sure of their own identity and unsure of other people's identities - Pallid demonstrated this perfectly during the lynch train by voting for Gam - It is even partly the reason OMGUS votes exist). Gameleon not doing this makes me suspect that he was unwilling to commit to swinging the lynch towards Pallid because he knew Pallid would CF town, and he didn't want to draw attention as the person who swung the vote to the other direction.
I'm going to
Vote Gameleon
for now.
I would note that the Ultama vote hopping to all three viable lynch trains and then hammering remarkable as well. However, I'm not sure if that is an overeager town or scum trying to fit in.
And here is the scummiest of them all. When AF is at L-2, Mockra states clearly that he is okay with the lynch (tho he doesn't seem overly concerned with who is going to be lynched anyway - makes sense if he's the killer) but reasonably does not lay the vote. Being this far on a train is a vulnerable position and Mockra decides to hedge that position first. So he pretty much secures the lynch with his support for the train, but tries to play a good guy with holding his vote for a little longer. He can afford that, because he knows his position is secure.
Mockra, on 30 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:
I would be fine voting for AF to get a lynch. I will not do so right now because it would put him at L-1, but as long as no other person does something spectacularly stupid I believe AF would be as good a lynch as we are likely to get. Although I do feel the need to mention that I don't believe he is the best lynch for today (I've never seen scum acting so conspicuously before). His lynch will regardless provide valuable information to us.
Will be around more after work. For now:
vote Mockra
This is the post in question. Nobody had really looked at Mockra before that. Ultama could have let him coast. Having three killers close to the end of the game would have been a huge advantage.
Nothing Hanas says rings true to me
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 07:22 PM
Alkend, on 07 January 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:
I think Gamelon would have been an easy enough sell as a lynch D3 as well. hell myself as well even.
I'm not buying it Hanas, if this has been a play by ultama then holy fuck
I'm not buying it Hanas, if this has been a play by ultama then holy fuck
I don't think my absence was neccesarily part of the plan
Had it not went as they wanted and Ultama was lynched as result that or the following day, Mockra would become PI/perhaps even VPI
Gamelon, on 07 January 2017 - 06:26 PM, said:
Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:
I don't think you were initially planning to ditch Serc, but they he was the N1 suspect and would've been lynched otherwise.
Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 05:30 PM, said:
About Mockra he was quickly recieving more an more scrutiny at that point and a number of players found him suspicious, of course
I don't get it. Selling us Mockra bought Ultama credibility. But how would getting Serc modkilled by telling him to do that stupid editing thing help?
Before Serc was modkilled there were 6
Hanas
Fanderay
Alkend
Gamelon
Serc
Ultama
The vote night happens
One NK, lets say on Gamelon,
Hanas
Fanderay
Alkend
Serc
Ultama
are left. Ultama false reveals one town player, they lynch him, scum win'
How does sacrificing Serc gain Ultama anything?
More credibility - if I was still alive I had to call them out sooner or later, it would also mean one additional gameday and I imagine they wanted to be done with it as quickly as possible after all the shit
Alkend, on 07 January 2017 - 06:11 PM, said:
Hanas
all night actions please.
all night actions please.
N1 Bek Okhan - caught my attention at the end of the day, you can go and look that I had some questions for him
N2 Alkend - FBI agent, Naomi Misora.
N3 fomerly Mockra, alternative Gamelon - detective
N4 Serc - wasn't allowed a provisional as because he was modkilled and his identity wasn't revealed on thread and because I technically only said "if lynched"... - I asked LP about it now after he's revelaed Serc's identity but it doesn't really matter anyway, Ultama has to be Light Yagami I guess
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 07:47 PM
Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:
Alkend, on 07 January 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:
I think Gamelon would have been an easy enough sell as a lynch D3 as well. hell myself as well even.
I'm not buying it Hanas, if this has been a play by ultama then holy fuck
I'm not buying it Hanas, if this has been a play by ultama then holy fuck
I don't think my absence was neccesarily part of the plan
Had it not went as they wanted and Ultama was lynched as result that or the following day, Mockra would become PI/perhaps even VPI
Gamelon, on 07 January 2017 - 06:26 PM, said:
Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:
I don't think you were initially planning to ditch Serc, but they he was the N1 suspect and would've been lynched otherwise.
Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 05:30 PM, said:
About Mockra he was quickly recieving more an more scrutiny at that point and a number of players found him suspicious, of course
I don't get it. Selling us Mockra bought Ultama credibility. But how would getting Serc modkilled by telling him to do that stupid editing thing help?
Before Serc was modkilled there were 6
Hanas
Fanderay
Alkend
Gamelon
Serc
Ultama
The vote night happens
One NK, lets say on Gamelon,
Hanas
Fanderay
Alkend
Serc
Ultama
are left. Ultama false reveals one town player, they lynch him, scum win'
How does sacrificing Serc gain Ultama anything?
More credibility - if I was still alive I had to call them out sooner or later, it would also mean one additional gameday and I imagine they wanted to be done with it as quickly as possible after all the shit
Alkend, on 07 January 2017 - 06:11 PM, said:
Hanas
all night actions please.
all night actions please.
N1 Bek Okhan - caught my attention at the end of the day, you can go and look that I had some questions for him
N2 Alkend - FBI agent, Naomi Misora.
N3 fomerly Mockra, alternative Gamelon - detective
N4 Serc - wasn't allowed a provisional as because he was modkilled and his identity wasn't revealed on thread and because I technically only said "if lynched"... - I asked LP about it now after he's revelaed Serc's identity but it doesn't really matter anyway, Ultama has to be Light Yagami I guess
And thus you fall.
I am FBI agent Naomi Misora
Ment that is Bek Okhan was my partner.
No point in delay anymore
vote hanas
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 07:52 PM
Gamelon, on 07 January 2017 - 07:47 PM, said:
Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:
Alkend, on 07 January 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:
I think Gamelon would have been an easy enough sell as a lynch D3 as well. hell myself as well even.
I'm not buying it Hanas, if this has been a play by ultama then holy fuck
I'm not buying it Hanas, if this has been a play by ultama then holy fuck
I don't think my absence was neccesarily part of the plan
Had it not went as they wanted and Ultama was lynched as result that or the following day, Mockra would become PI/perhaps even VPI
Gamelon, on 07 January 2017 - 06:26 PM, said:
Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:
I don't think you were initially planning to ditch Serc, but they he was the N1 suspect and would've been lynched otherwise.
Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 05:30 PM, said:
About Mockra he was quickly recieving more an more scrutiny at that point and a number of players found him suspicious, of course
I don't get it. Selling us Mockra bought Ultama credibility. But how would getting Serc modkilled by telling him to do that stupid editing thing help?
Before Serc was modkilled there were 6
Hanas
Fanderay
Alkend
Gamelon
Serc
Ultama
The vote night happens
One NK, lets say on Gamelon,
Hanas
Fanderay
Alkend
Serc
Ultama
are left. Ultama false reveals one town player, they lynch him, scum win'
How does sacrificing Serc gain Ultama anything?
More credibility - if I was still alive I had to call them out sooner or later, it would also mean one additional gameday and I imagine they wanted to be done with it as quickly as possible after all the shit
Alkend, on 07 January 2017 - 06:11 PM, said:
Hanas
all night actions please.
all night actions please.
N1 Bek Okhan - caught my attention at the end of the day, you can go and look that I had some questions for him
N2 Alkend - FBI agent, Naomi Misora.
N3 fomerly Mockra, alternative Gamelon - detective
N4 Serc - wasn't allowed a provisional as because he was modkilled and his identity wasn't revealed on thread and because I technically only said "if lynched"... - I asked LP about it now after he's revelaed Serc's identity but it doesn't really matter anyway, Ultama has to be Light Yagami I guess
And thus you fall.
I am FBI agent Naomi Misora
Ment that is Bek Okhan was my partner.
No point in delay anymore
vote hanas
Welp
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 10:00 PM
timer was frozen, though it seems the game carried on
one second
and thats game
Hanas was Light yagami, the last remaining kira. and NOm
SH is kind
PS is santa if someone wants to give me a hand moving pms
one second
and thats game
Hanas was Light yagami, the last remaining kira. and NOm
SH is kind
PS is santa if someone wants to give me a hand moving pms
This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 07 January 2017 - 10:02 PM
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 10:24 PM
Sorry Nom for screwing us up so badly. Apologies to everyone for breaking the rules. I was in a blind panic and wasn't thinking clearly.
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 10:28 PM
I haven't been able to get into SH. PW works but i get sent back to the PW page repeatedly. I'll have to wait till the spoiler topic gets moved here to read it. Can't wait for some more humiliation. 
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Posted 07 January 2017 - 10:35 PM
Kruppe of Darujhistan, on 07 January 2017 - 10:28 PM, said:
I haven't been able to get into SH. PW works but i get sent back to the PW page repeatedly. I'll have to wait till the spoiler topic gets moved here to read it. Can't wait for some more humiliation.
Moved it for you
I'll also move the scum convo
- Nom
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Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 08 January 2017 - 12:00 AM
GG everyone, It was a fun game.
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Pro patria mori
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Posted 08 January 2017 - 01:06 AM
Well played all. I think if it hadn't been for that Serc-plosion scum probably woulh have got the win. Great game from Siergiej, he's the only reason Town won this game and is deserved MoM.
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