[Alkend]

Pallid, on 30 November 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

Alkend, on 30 November 2016 - 05:04 AM, said:

Okaros, on 30 November 2016 - 03:54 AM, said:

I am still not clear on why Alkend thinks IE would highlight his leader.

Vote Alkend

well, my CF is most likely to convince my team just why I believe Sorritt is Cap< if they decide to take it to 4:3. Hope we don't lose the NAs if that's the case.

Fear mongering is wifom. I don't like wifom. But not quite willing to make you the lynch du jour just yet.

I've got the afternoon off so I'm going to take the opportunity to do a reread.

How is it fear mongering? Team Cap has 3 votes. Team Iron man has 4. 5 to lynch, meaning we're at an impasse. If both teams decide to lynch me, we're down to 4:3. Simple math.

[Gamelon]

Either that or you're scrambling to save what's left of Team Cap.

My vote was only to check if it's only Alkend that cannot vote, so I will remove for now, though Alkend seems twitchy enough that I would be quite comfortable with going down that route. That said, I want to re-read this evening and see what else comes up.

remove vote

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 11 hours and 7 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, D'riss, Gamelon, Kaschan, Okaros, Pallid, Sorrit

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Alkend ( Okaros )

Players not voted: Alkend, Anthras, D'riss, Gamelon, Kaschan, Pallid, Sorrit

[D'riss]

Alright, I've read over, with particular attention to Trake and Iparth's posts. I think that Alkend's case has a good shot at getting a Team Cap member - an attempt by Iparth to identify himself to Team Cap by voting for Sorrit, which is taken the wrong way by Trake, who then votes for him.

Alkend, on 29 November 2016 - 04:37 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 29 November 2016 - 04:29 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 29 November 2016 - 04:17 AM, said:

Yes, i'm guilty as charged. I did indeed say everything which you've underlined. Hunting for Iron Man certainly implies I'm on team Captain America, but I made no such claim. However, if you're on team Iron Man, a vote for me is in order. If you're not, then i suggest you vote for Sorrit.

Vote Sorrit

see underlined

it was just WIFOM from day 2, no one knew anything again - and if he really was team iron man (he wasn't) and knew his leader, how would this benefit anyone else on his team, who also...already know their leader? he was just trying to throw me under the bus to help the other faction? he throws a passing vote at his faction leader for no reason? and then gets voted by his own faction (trake)? makes no sense honestly. plus it is also wrong. hopefully that is the last we'll need to say about that

unless you are on iparth's team and trying to follow his last minute lead, that is....

If I was team Captain, i'd shut up and only scramble if my leader was in trouble (hi, kas!).

If we assume that you are leader, ye yes, by voting you and then removing, he'd be signalling to the rest of team Cap that he knows who you are-i.e, he's on the level, sinc he KNOWS no one will follow hi on that vote.

It's a last-ditch effort to reveal without revealing, and it set Yo up nicely for Team Iron Man to spot, but it's a ki of play I would not be surprised to see from Kruppe.

So right now I'll be putting down a

Vote Sorrit

and my other candidate is Okaros, who has tried to prod away from Alkend's sniffing around Sorrit.


On the other hand, I disagree with the below by Alkend, specifically regarding the last point about Kaschan's allegiance.

Alkend, on 29 November 2016 - 05:01 PM, said:

In order to understand how wrong sorritt is being in his desperate defence, look at t time stamps.

7 minutes between the vote and remover.

2 hours later tatts still votes him.

An hour later Kruppe posts his resignation, throwing in the towel.

At the time of sorritt's vote, nothing was set I stone yet.

If I'm right about sorritt being Cap (and i'm 95% sure of it) then Kas is probably also team Cap.

Which leaves one more to find...

That conclusion is ignoring the content of Kas' case on Iparth. I don't see a Team Cap member making that kind of case.

[Sorrit]

ok i am back around reading... should be around at timeout as well

alkend seems confused, will need to address that...

[Anthras]

Alkend, on 30 November 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:

How is it fear mongering? Team Cap has 3 votes. Team Iron man has 4. 5 to lynch, meaning we're at an impasse. If both teams decide to lynch me, we're down to 4:3. Simple math.

Iron Man has 5 votes actually what with 2 Captain Americas being dead.

[D'riss]

By the by, I played several games of Secret Hitler (http://maxistentiali...m/secrethitler/) last night at a board game bar. Great fun. The mafia playing on here definitely helped - when I was Hitler and managed to identify a couple of my fellow fascists based on their play, I immediately threw them under the bus. They were appalled! But it helped those fool liberals completely trust me, and then they elected me Chancellor, mwahahaha!

So yeah, great fun, would recommend, but almost entirely classic mafia (so I'm not sure why people are talking about how original it is).

[D'riss]

Anthras, on 30 November 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Alkend, on 30 November 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:

How is it fear mongering? Team Cap has 3 votes. Team Iron man has 4. 5 to lynch, meaning we're at an impasse. If both teams decide to lynch me, we're down to 4:3. Simple math.

Iron Man has 5 votes actually what with 2 Captain Americas being dead.

I think Alkend wasn't including himself in his count.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 5 hours and 48 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, D'riss, Gamelon, Kaschan, Okaros, Pallid, Sorrit

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Alkend ( Okaros )
1 Vote for Sorrit ( D'riss )

Players not voted: Alkend, Anthras, Gamelon, Kaschan, Pallid, Sorrit

[Path-Shaper]

Alkend, on 29 November 2016 - 09:29 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 November 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

Hmm.

Kruppe posted that he'd be voted by his team-mates. Ergo, his leader was o his train.

Seeing how he voted, and then quickly removed (so so not to draw attention)

vote Sorritt

I'm pretty sure he's the Captain.

Say wut, PS?

Alkend, on 29 November 2016 - 09:37 PM, said:

Well, fuck.

I meant to post about this earlier, but got distracted at work.

Normally, Alkend wouldn't have been able to say anything about this as it would have counted as a reveal. However, I forgot to tell him that he wasn't allowed to vote until after he had already voted, so that made it pretty obvious that there was an issue. In this case, and this case alone, I will let you all know that the reason this went down in this way was completely my fault. Normally I would have told Alkend that he couldn't vote, and his voting would have warranted a warning and potential for a mod-kill. If you are told you can't vote, you cannot vote, period. I'll be more careful not to miss this in future resolutions.

[Alkend]

D, on 30 November 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:

Anthras, on 30 November 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

Alkend, on 30 November 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:

How is it fear mongering? Team Cap has 3 votes. Team Iron man has 4. 5 to lynch, meaning we're at an impasse. If both teams decide to lynch me, we're down to 4:3. Simple math.

Iron Man has 5 votes actually what with 2 Captain Americas being dead.

I think Alkend wasn't including himself in his count.

Path-Shaper, on 30 November 2016 - 09:41 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 November 2016 - 09:29 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 November 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

Hmm.

Kruppe posted that he'd be voted by his team-mates. Ergo, his leader was o his train.

Seeing how he voted, and then quickly removed (so so not to draw attention)

vote Sorritt

I'm pretty sure he's the Captain.

Say wut, PS?

Alkend, on 29 November 2016 - 09:37 PM, said:

Well, fuck.

I meant to post about this earlier, but got distracted at work.

Normally, Alkend wouldn't have been able to say anything about this as it would have counted as a reveal. However, I forgot to tell him that he wasn't allowed to vote until after he had already voted, so that made it pretty obvious that there was an issue. In this case, and this case alone, I will let you all know that the reason this went down in this way was completely my fault. Normally I would have told Alkend that he couldn't vote, and his voting would have warranted a warning and potential for a mod-kill. If you are told you can't vote, you cannot vote, period. I'll be more careful not to miss this in future resolutions.

This

[D'riss]

Shall we just end this game now or would people like to participate?

[Gamelon]

I love Secret Hitler! And I completely disagree it's classic Mafia - it takes out the element of elimination (until a very late stage) which has huge impact on mechanics and group dynamics. But, back to my reread...

[Gamelon]

Okay, did another quick run through the thread and I'm going to be sticking to Alkend after all. At this moment everyone will be trying to pass for a member of Team Iron Man because that's the only way to survive. Alkend, however, seems to be trying to come across as Stark's buddy harder than anyone else in D2, even though in D1 he was perfectly happy following Kruppe's ludicrous signalling case and hunting for Iron Man. Just look at these posts:

Alkend, on 22 November 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

Y'all are going over my head

vote trake


because TS seems to have been signalling him.

Edited by fix spacing

Alkend, on 22 November 2016 - 09:46 PM, said:

Maybe "firetruck" is just the safety word in dragonsex?

I'm not understanding why there are votes on the person signaling, and not on the person being signaled.

Alkend, on 22 November 2016 - 10:08 PM, said:

Day timing out around 11 PM. I'll drop by before then if we need an extra vote on TS. Not gonna be on much otherwise, because I need rest at home, not more screen time.

I will take another look at the thread in 30-60 minutes, just before sleep, but I won't be around for timeout. Can switch if a vote is needed elswhere but my suspicion of Alkend makes me dubious of the case against Sorrit.

vote Alkend

[D'riss]

Gamelon, on 30 November 2016 - 11:21 PM, said:

I love Secret Hitler! And I completely disagree it's classic Mafia - it takes out the element of elimination (until a very late stage) which has huge impact on mechanics and group dynamics. But, back to my reread...

I disagree with your disagreement. Voting in the positions of president and chancellor and discussion of which policy decisions were placed or discarded is simply the substitution for elimination. That is, it has the same effect of promoting discussions of voting patterns and creating partial or confirmed CFs.

But I do like the innovation of not having elimination till late on, as it means that everyone gets to continue playing for longer. But because of the susbtitute mechanics, the game continues to feel fresh throughout and not like you're just going around in circles.

[Alkend]

Gamelon, on 30 November 2016 - 11:38 PM, said:

Okay, did another quick run through the thread and I'm going to be sticking to Alkend after all. At this moment everyone will be trying to pass for a member of Team Iron Man because that's the only way to survive. Alkend, however, seems to be trying to come across as Stark's buddy harder than anyone else in D2, even though in D1 he was perfectly happy following Kruppe's ludicrous signalling case and hunting for Iron Man. Just look at these posts:

Alkend, on 22 November 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

Y'all are going over my head

vote trake


because TS seems to have been signalling him.

Edited by fix spacing

Alkend, on 22 November 2016 - 09:46 PM, said:

Maybe "firetruck" is just the safety word in dragonsex?

I'm not understanding why there are votes on the person signaling, and not on the person being signaled.

Alkend, on 22 November 2016 - 10:08 PM, said:

Day timing out around 11 PM. I'll drop by before then if we need an extra vote on TS. Not gonna be on much otherwise, because I need rest at home, not more screen time.

I will take another look at the thread in 30-60 minutes, just before sleep, but I won't be around for timeout. Can switch if a vote is needed elswhere but my suspicion of Alkend makes me dubious of the case against Sorrit.

vote Alkend

wow, Day 1 stuff? really?

protip no 1: In a faction game Day 1, anyone is fair game who is not your leader. Who knows, you might get lucky

protip no2: best way to hide your allegiance in a faction game is to strongly attack a faction on Day 1. it's called WIFOM, kids, and while it's bad in Town v scum (where the goal is clarity), it's great in faction games, until your side has the upper hand, at which point you make them "town" and the minority "scum"

Now, IF you are team IM, Gamelon, re-read Day 1 and see if anything I did hurt team IM in any way...

Oh, and it's Day 3, btw. I really don't think I said anything on Day 2 to identify me one way or another.

[Gamelon]

Alkend, on 01 December 2016 - 12:11 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 30 November 2016 - 11:38 PM, said:

Okay, did another quick run through the thread and I'm going to be sticking to Alkend after all. At this moment everyone will be trying to pass for a member of Team Iron Man because that's the only way to survive. Alkend, however, seems to be trying to come across as Stark's buddy harder than anyone else in D2, even though in D1 he was perfectly happy following Kruppe's ludicrous signalling case and hunting for Iron Man. Just look at these posts:

Alkend, on 22 November 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

Y'all are going over my head

vote trake


because TS seems to have been signalling him.

Edited by fix spacing

Alkend, on 22 November 2016 - 09:46 PM, said:

Maybe "firetruck" is just the safety word in dragonsex?

I'm not understanding why there are votes on the person signaling, and not on the person being signaled.

Alkend, on 22 November 2016 - 10:08 PM, said:

Day timing out around 11 PM. I'll drop by before then if we need an extra vote on TS. Not gonna be on much otherwise, because I need rest at home, not more screen time.

I will take another look at the thread in 30-60 minutes, just before sleep, but I won't be around for timeout. Can switch if a vote is needed elswhere but my suspicion of Alkend makes me dubious of the case against Sorrit.

vote Alkend

wow, Day 1 stuff? really?

protip no 1: In a faction game Day 1, anyone is fair game who is not your leader. Who knows, you might get lucky

protip no2: best way to hide your allegiance in a faction game is to strongly attack a faction on Day 1. it's called WIFOM, kids, and while it's bad in Town v scum (where the goal is clarity), it's great in faction games, until your side has the upper hand, at which point you make them "town" and the minority "scum"

Now, IF you are team IM, Gamelon, re-read Day 1 and see if anything I did hurt team IM in any way...

Oh, and it's Day 3, btw. I really don't think I said anything on Day 2 to identify me one way or another.

Ye, I meant D3, my bad. Doesn't change anything in my reasoning though. You followed a signalling case that was targeted again Team IM and your patronizing tone doesn't make your change of heart any more plausible.

Not much happened since I last posted and I still trust Alkend less than I trust Sorrit. Off to bed now.

[Sorrit]

ok to start alkend your logic is just baffling, i don't know how you are getting to where you are

first, you are basing a lot of things off this "signal" vote on me from iparth because he removed but you are ignoring that he switched to gamelon...and stayed there. why would he do that? it hasn't even factored into your analysis. in fact, gamelon was on the lynch train **before** I was and there was plenty of time between his votes:

Iparth Erule, on 29 November 2016 - 04:17 AM, said:

Yes, i'm guilty as charged. I did indeed say everything which you've underlined. Hunting for Iron Man certainly implies I'm on team Captain America, but I made no such claim. However, if you're on team Iron Man, a vote for me is in order. If you're not, then i suggest you vote for Sorrit.

Vote Sorrit

Iparth Erule, on 29 November 2016 - 04:24 AM, said:

Hold the phone.

Remove vote

Gamelon seems more upset than anyone that I dared seek out Iron Man on day one. I reckon he's one of them.

Vote Gamelon

if you look at how the votes on iparth went down it doesn't look like he was around at all when kash/gamelon/me voted him, he showed up like 5 hours later, so all this talk about following a leader is already sketchy. it's not like he was around, saw me vote for him, then voted for me, he did all that later in one section long after we voted. how in the world are you dismissing kash or gamelon as Cap america, especially when iparth ended up voting for gamelon after me? this is just a bad case.

but then we have to look at the rest of this...

Alkend, on 29 November 2016 - 04:04 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 29 November 2016 - 03:58 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 November 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

Hmm.

Kruppe posted that he'd be voted by his team-mates. Ergo, his leader was o his train.

Seeing how he voted, and then quickly removed (so so not to draw attention)

vote Sorritt

I'm pretty sure he's the Captain.

this doesn't follow, leader doesn't have to be on train. with 9 voters odds are someone was on his train, since he wasn't leader either (how would they know?)

and lo, look, there is trake on the iparth train, both on the same faction

But he stopped fighting it it that point. Because he knew his teammates would be all over the train, following their leader.

There were 4 votes on him at the time

Kaschan
Gamelon
Sorritt
trake

One of the 3 is the leader, and based on that vote-remove, i'm willi to bet it's Sorritt.

you do realize that there were votes after this right? driss and pallid both voted after me too, and after trake. by your logic, if iparth posted that his teammates were goign to lynch him before trake voted, how are driss and pallid not confirmed team captain in your mind? they voted after me too right? it's just luck that trake died and we got his CF, this proves nothing about the actual CFs of other players on hte lynch train, either looking for a leader early or followers after. all this talk about "faction X must be in position Y on lynch train" is total bullshit, and the entire case you are making based on it is unfortunately distracting, even though nothing else is going on

i can't decide if alkend is just confused or if he is trying to save team CA with all of this random stuff, but he is not making things better for anyone on thread right now I think, so i would be willing to vote there probably... also alkend can't vote i guess. that's interesting that he uses that to imply his faction but again with the total confusion above I can't be sure

I haven't properly looked at everyone yet but okaros is another place i would be willing to look

[Sorrit]

eh looking back it is hard for me to get a good read on okaros

this surprises me though-

D, on 30 November 2016 - 06:32 PM, said:

Alright, I've read over, with particular attention to Trake and Iparth's posts. I think that Alkend's case has a good shot at getting a Team Cap member - an attempt by Iparth to identify himself to Team Cap by voting for Sorrit, which is taken the wrong way by Trake, who then votes for him.

driss you still stand by this? curious

[Alkend]

Sorrit, on 01 December 2016 - 12:51 AM, said:

ok to start alkend your logic is just baffling, i don't know how you are getting to where you are

first, you are basing a lot of things off this "signal" vote on me from iparth because he removed but you are ignoring that he switched to gamelon...and stayed there. why would he do that? it hasn't even factored into your analysis. in fact, gamelon was on the lynch train **before** I was and there was plenty of time between his votes:

Iparth Erule, on 29 November 2016 - 04:17 AM, said:

Yes, i'm guilty as charged. I did indeed say everything which you've underlined. Hunting for Iron Man certainly implies I'm on team Captain America, but I made no such claim. However, if you're on team Iron Man, a vote for me is in order. If you're not, then i suggest you vote for Sorrit.

Vote Sorrit

Iparth Erule, on 29 November 2016 - 04:24 AM, said:

Hold the phone.

Remove vote

Gamelon seems more upset than anyone that I dared seek out Iron Man on day one. I reckon he's one of them.

Vote Gamelon

if you look at how the votes on iparth went down it doesn't look like he was around at all when kash/gamelon/me voted him, he showed up like 5 hours later, so all this talk about following a leader is already sketchy. it's not like he was around, saw me vote for him, then voted for me, he did all that later in one section long after we voted. how in the world are you dismissing kash or gamelon as Cap america, especially when iparth ended up voting for gamelon after me? this is just a bad case.

but then we have to look at the rest of this...

Alkend, on 29 November 2016 - 04:04 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 29 November 2016 - 03:58 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 November 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

Hmm.

Kruppe posted that he'd be voted by his team-mates. Ergo, his leader was o his train.

Seeing how he voted, and then quickly removed (so so not to draw attention)

vote Sorritt

I'm pretty sure he's the Captain.

this doesn't follow, leader doesn't have to be on train. with 9 voters odds are someone was on his train, since he wasn't leader either (how would they know?)

and lo, look, there is trake on the iparth train, both on the same faction

But he stopped fighting it it that point. Because he knew his teammates would be all over the train, following their leader.

There were 4 votes on him at the time

Kaschan
Gamelon
Sorritt
trake

One of the 3 is the leader, and based on that vote-remove, i'm willi to bet it's Sorritt.

you do realize that there were votes after this right? driss and pallid both voted after me too, and after trake. by your logic, if iparth posted that his teammates were goign to lynch him before trake voted, how are driss and pallid not confirmed team captain in your mind? they voted after me too right? it's just luck that trake died and we got his CF, this proves nothing about the actual CFs of other players on hte lynch train, either looking for a leader early or followers after. all this talk about "faction X must be in position Y on lynch train" is total bullshit, and the entire case you are making based on it is unfortunately distracting, even though nothing else is going on

i can't decide if alkend is just confused or if he is trying to save team CA with all of this random stuff, but he is not making things better for anyone on thread right now I think, so i would be willing to vote there probably... also alkend can't vote i guess. that's interesting that he uses that to imply his faction but again with the total confusion above I can't be sure

I haven't properly looked at everyone yet but okaros is another place i would be willing to look

do you even read?

He posted his "I give up" speech AFTER TRAKE VOTED.

repeat:


AFTER







TRAKE







VOTED

so stop obscuring the obvious. because your posturing about "trake, D'riss and Pallid" is not only irrelevant, it's wrong.

Not that I'm expecting a lynch in this stalemate, but I can always try to lynch you tomorrow.

This post has been edited by Alkend: 01 December 2016 - 01:08 AM