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Posted 01 December 2016 - 04:24 PM

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 Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

So I have like 3 guards flying, but of those, 2 of them are guarding people who are guarding other people... So in the end, I decided to resolve all guards at the same time. Which means that Sorrit's guard on D'riss, and D'riss's guard on Okaros will both be resolved, even though both Sorrit and D'riss are getting guarded.


I'm sure we had a thread on this in the main forum.

If a guard is guarded, their guard usually fails.


Perhaps a discussion to have with the whole crew post-game! I definitely posted what I did in here because I was mildly unsure of how to deal with it. So I did it this way, and will continue to resolve this way for the rest of the game for consistency, but definitely want other people's opinions on it!
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Posted 01 December 2016 - 05:10 PM

If I got this straight, both Sorrit and D'riss can't vote today, right?

Man, team I'M is really falling apart...
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Posted 01 December 2016 - 05:12 PM

I was going to be targetted by 3 kills last night (including my own).

Impressive.
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Posted 01 December 2016 - 06:05 PM

 Mentalist, on 01 December 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

I was going to be targetted by 3 kills last night (including my own).

Impressive.


pfft

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 06:40 PM

 Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2016 - 04:24 PM, said:

 Mentalist, on 01 December 2016 - 04:08 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 01 December 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

So I have like 3 guards flying, but of those, 2 of them are guarding people who are guarding other people... So in the end, I decided to resolve all guards at the same time. Which means that Sorrit's guard on D'riss, and D'riss's guard on Okaros will both be resolved, even though both Sorrit and D'riss are getting guarded.


I'm sure we had a thread on this in the main forum.

If a guard is guarded, their guard usually fails.


Perhaps a discussion to have with the whole crew post-game! I definitely posted what I did in here because I was mildly unsure of how to deal with it. So I did it this way, and will continue to resolve this way for the rest of the game for consistency, but definitely want other people's opinions on it!


Yes you have to remain consistent throughout the game. The issue with instant resolution is that all actions will have taken place at the same time. Just in this order Guard - heal - find - kill. So for guard actions it may be possible for them all to go through if they are all processed at the same time.

Guards trump all other actions with the possible exception of other guards. It is a fair decision.
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Posted 01 December 2016 - 06:55 PM

Ahahaha.

Scenes have no clues he says.

Except for the whole "Iron Man kills War Machine with a big lazer" thing.

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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 01 December 2016 - 07:43 PM

Ooh, Okaros and Kas setting themselves up with those anti-Gnaw comments.

Ideally, team Cap now thinks Sorritt is with them and this messes up their numbers.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 01 December 2016 - 07:49 PM

 Itwæs Nom, on 24 November 2016 - 05:59 AM, said:

 Vengeance, on 24 November 2016 - 03:15 AM, said:

I once spent an entire game getting up at 3am in order to post like I was dibs. Only to be killed by dibs a day before d day.. it was brilliant even he got confused between the posts. I was trying to keep from being alted. The only person I can do that to is shin and silencer. The first because he is in Japan and the time zones are just not possible and the second because I cannt not post as little as he has before.


Haha

That's kinda what I did in the last game although I had most of my night posts prewritten, and it's not like Ment gave a shit about my posting times anyway. The worst of it was the thread for once decided to be active over the weekend so I had to wake up in the middle of the night in the weekend too even though I wasn't gonna contribute anything in case they decided to lynch me. Usually I just read up and posted the prewritten stuff which only took me a couple of minutes and went right back to bed but after over a week of that it made me really tired.

Pfft, don't ever let minor details like posting times or conventional logic get in the way of your convictions.

It's your style of questioning that gives you away. Unless I confuse you with Khell. Or in this case, Sierg, :(
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 02 December 2016 - 10:28 AM

huh. might be a good thing i died. Really can't imagine myself playing well when I can only type one-handed.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 02 December 2016 - 09:49 PM

 Mentalist, on 02 December 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:

huh. might be a good thing i died. Really can't imagine myself playing well when I can only type one-handed.


Sucks man, I imagine twice as much as it was because a dumb mistake, know that feeling too well

But good thing nothing's broken!


Bliss might be the only one of the Cap team who survives through the night

Still curious how long will she last
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Posted 05 December 2016 - 03:04 PM

So no lynch, and the only kill was guarded. We move on to Day 4, two of the seven remaining people can't vote, one from each team... If the rest of Iron Man's team can get it together, they should be able to pull together a lynch on the opposing team. But that's a big if.
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Posted 05 December 2016 - 03:57 PM

If IM has 3 votes, they need to collect one of CAs to lynch.

Both Game and Okaros made it completely obvious they don't know that Gnaw is IM.

So not impossible, but difficult.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 04:02 PM

Who on CA can't vote? All I get from the NA post is Sorritt.

Also, team CA now know each other. This is quite bad.
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Posted 05 December 2016 - 04:36 PM

Oh, D'riss, you fool.

I'm guessing they're thinking Okaros and game are Sorritt's underlings.

As long as Bliss stays quiet, she's likely to just surive her way to victory.
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Posted 05 December 2016 - 04:36 PM

Widow's Bite and Energy Beam are both vote blocking abilities - Okaros (Bucky Barnes) and Sorrit (Black Widow) cannot vote today.

I did mess up my count though, of 7, 5 can vote. 4 are needed for a lynch, and of the 5, there are 3 on Iron Man's team, and 2 on Captain America's.

So yeah, looks likely that it'll be another stalled lynch. If the lynch is stalled, and we have another Night where all actions are blocked, I'll call the game as broken.
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Posted 05 December 2016 - 04:37 PM

 Mentalist, on 05 December 2016 - 04:36 PM, said:

Oh, D'riss, you fool.

I'm guessing they're thinking Okaros and game are Sorritt's underlings.

As long as Bliss stays quiet, she's likely to just surive her way to victory.


I've given Pallid a warning about inactivity. He posted once at the very beginning of Day 3, and then nothing... So hopefully he'll start actually participating, or I'll modkill him.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 04:50 PM

 Path-Shaper, on 05 December 2016 - 04:36 PM, said:

Widow's Bite and Energy Beam are both vote blocking abilities - Okaros (Bucky Barnes) and Sorrit (Black Widow) cannot vote today.

I did mess up my count though, of 7, 5 can vote. 4 are needed for a lynch, and of the 5, there are 3 on Iron Man's team, and 2 on Captain America's.

So yeah, looks likely that it'll be another stalled lynch. If the lynch is stalled, and we have another Night where all actions are blocked, I'll call the game as broken.


I thought Widow's bite was blocked? Or do you see it as a "guard" action, and so the "guarded guard exception" applies?

Eh, it doesn't feel broken. There's other killing powers in place- IM trie killing sorritt, no?

It's a stalled game, for sure, but that's equal part long freeze and most high posters being dead.
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Posted 05 December 2016 - 04:57 PM

 Mentalist, on 05 December 2016 - 04:50 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 05 December 2016 - 04:36 PM, said:

Widow's Bite and Energy Beam are both vote blocking abilities - Okaros (Bucky Barnes) and Sorrit (Black Widow) cannot vote today.

I did mess up my count though, of 7, 5 can vote. 4 are needed for a lynch, and of the 5, there are 3 on Iron Man's team, and 2 on Captain America's.

So yeah, looks likely that it'll be another stalled lynch. If the lynch is stalled, and we have another Night where all actions are blocked, I'll call the game as broken.


I thought Widow's bite was blocked? Or do you see it as a "guard" action, and so the "guarded guard exception" applies?

Eh, it doesn't feel broken. There's other killing powers in place- IM trie killing sorritt, no?

It's a stalled game, for sure, but that's equal part long freeze and most high posters being dead.


Because Widow's Bite is both a vote blocker AND a guard, I resolved it as a guard. Same as I did on the previous night cycle.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 04:59 PM

 Mentalist, on 05 December 2016 - 04:50 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 05 December 2016 - 04:36 PM, said:

Widow's Bite and Energy Beam are both vote blocking abilities - Okaros (Bucky Barnes) and Sorrit (Black Widow) cannot vote today.

I did mess up my count though, of 7, 5 can vote. 4 are needed for a lynch, and of the 5, there are 3 on Iron Man's team, and 2 on Captain America's.

So yeah, looks likely that it'll be another stalled lynch. If the lynch is stalled, and we have another Night where all actions are blocked, I'll call the game as broken.


I thought Widow's bite was blocked? Or do you see it as a "guard" action, and so the "guarded guard exception" applies?

Eh, it doesn't feel broken. There's other killing powers in place- IM trie killing sorritt, no?

It's a stalled game, for sure, but that's equal part long freeze and most high posters being dead.


Yeah, but if they can never get a lynch because of the vote blocking abilities, and the only kill ability left in the game (Iron Man's unibeam is one shot, so he can't use it anymore) is consistently guarded, then the game will never progress. As it stands, as long as everyone keeps their guards where they were during Night 3 (likely given it resulted in no kills), then the game will never actually progress.
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Posted 05 December 2016 - 06:58 PM

 Path-Shaper, on 21 November 2016 - 03:24 PM, said:

Iron Man

You may perform one of the following actions during each night cycle:

Repulsor Rays: You shoot energy beams from the palms of your suit. Target player is killed unless they have a BP.

Unibeam: Once per game, you may shoot a powerful beam from the chest of your suit. Target player dies even if they have a BP (some exceptions may apply).


Passive (requires no action on your part):

Iron Armour: You have a BP that regenerates on the second night after it has been used. For example, if you are targeted Night 1 with a kill, you will survive. If you are then targeted again on Night 2, you will die, however if you are not, the BP will regenerate or Night 3.

Flight: Any kill abilities that would rely on your falling from a great height will automatically fail as long as your Iron Armour BP is active.

Electric Discharge: If someone performs a guard action that requires them to touch you, and your Iron Armour BP is active, your suit discharges high voltage electricity. Player targeting you is guarded instead. If this is triggered, it makes your Iron Armour BP have to regenerate as your suit powers back up.



 Path-Shaper, on 21 November 2016 - 03:25 PM, said:

Black Widow

You may perform the following action during each night cycle:

Widow's Bite: You shoot high frequency electro-static bolts from your wrist bracelets which stun target player. A player stunned in this way is guarded during the night cycle and cannot vote during the following Day Cycle. You cannot target the same player twice with this ability.



Passive (requires no action on your part):

Kevlar Suit: You have one BP that does not regenerate.



 Vengeance, on 22 November 2016 - 02:01 PM, said:

Night one actions

Hawkeye / Iparth Erule - Smoke Bomb Arrow
Spider-Man / D'riss - Webbed on Iparth Erule
Bucky Barnes, the Winter Soldier / Okaros - Assassinate Trake
War Machine / Alkend - Mini-Missiles on Iparth Erule
Ant-Man / Trake - Go Ant-Sized: Screw with Suit on Okaros
Captain America / Kaschan - Vibranium Shield
Iron Man / Pallid - Repulsor Ray on Iparth Erule
The Vision / Anthras - Energy Beam on Tulas Shorn
Black Widow / Sorrit - Widow's Bite on Alkend
Scarlet Witch / Gamelon - Manipulate Mind on Kaschan: Gamelon is Scarlet Witch


Day 2 actions or restrictions

Hawkeye / Iparth Erule -
Spider-Man / D'riss -
Bucky Barnes, the Winter Soldier / Okaros -
War Machine / Alkend -
Falcon / Trake -
Helmut Zemo / Tulas Shorn -
Captain America / Kaschan -
Iron Man / Pallid -
The Vision / Anthras -
Black Widow / Sorrit -
Scarlet Witch / Gamelon -


Night 2 actions

Spider-Man / D'riss - Webbed on Alkend
Bucky Barnes, the Winter Soldier / Okaros - Assassinate Trake
War Machine / Alkend - Micro-Missiles on Sorrit GUARDED
Ant-Man / Trake - Go Ant-Sized, Mess with Suit on Okaros GUARDED & KILLED
Captain America / Kaschan - Vibranium Shield
Iron Man / Pallid - Repulsor Ray on Alkend
The Vision / Anthras - Energy Beam on Trake
Black Widow / Sorrit - Widow's Bite on Alkend
Scarlet Witch / Gamelon - Manipulate Kaschan: Gamelon is Scarlett Witch

Night 3 actions


Spider-Man / D'riss - Webbed on Okaros GUARDED
Bucky Barnes, the Winter Soldier / Okaros - Assassinate Alkend GUARDED
War Machine / Alkend - Mini-Missiles on Sorrit redirected to Alkend.
Captain America / Kaschan - Vibranium Shield
Iron Man / Pallid - Unibeam on Alkend
The Vision / Anthras - Energy Beam on Sorrit
Black Widow / Sorrit - Widow's Bite on D'riss
Scarlet Witch / Gamelon - Avert Action: Alkend to Alkend




Night 4 actions


Spider-Man / D'riss - Webbed on Sorrit
Bucky Barnes, the Winter Soldier / Okaros - Assassinate on D'riss GUARDED
Captain America / Kaschan - Vibranium Shield
Iron Man / Pallid - Repulsor Rays on Sorrit
The Vision / Anthras - Energy Beam on Sorrit
Black Widow / Sorrit - Widow's Bite on Okaros GUARDED
Scarlet Witch / Gamelon - Manipulate Okaros: Gamelon is Scarlett Witch



IM has a regular NK trepulsor beams) he used on Sorritt last night.

Sorritt is now sans BP. And likely dead next night.
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