[Kessobahn]

Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 11:22 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 20 October 2016 - 11:00 AM, said:

Bendal Home, on 17 October 2016 - 06:33 PM, said:

If your alone and you need a friend. Someone to make you forget your problems. Just come along, baby take my hand.


Gosh remember the vengaboys? Out of no where on the radio.

Actually Serc, I remember this post on day 1 raised my eyebrows. Random post, but with an underlying message? Made me immediately note them at the time as a possible symp.

Well I can clarify this for you Kesso. The next sentence in that song is what I was going for. I was hoping the killers may find it ambiguous enough to kill me for it. "I'll be your lover tonight". I do not mind trying to draw the NK when I don't have a role.

I don't know if I can buy this, Bendal. Your 'ploy' is predicated on the killers looking up the lyrics, finding that line, and coming to the conclusion from that that you have a town role. Also, why seek to protect lovers? Seeking to protect the healer makes far more sense. This actually comes off as fake reveal planning which you've had to modify in order to explain away.

[Kessobahn]

End of day 2, from Gait's reveal to lynch, is making for particularly interesting reading. I'll have to think about it some more though.

[Kessobahn]

Okay, getting too tired now, but that was a productive read. There's some things I want to highlight about end of day 2 but I'll do it tomorrow morning and sleep on it now.

[Bendal Home]

Kessobahn, on 21 October 2016 - 01:25 AM, said:

Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 11:22 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 20 October 2016 - 11:00 AM, said:

Bendal Home, on 17 October 2016 - 06:33 PM, said:

If your alone and you need a friend. Someone to make you forget your problems. Just come along, baby take my hand.


Gosh remember the vengaboys? Out of no where on the radio.

Actually Serc, I remember this post on day 1 raised my eyebrows. Random post, but with an underlying message? Made me immediately note them at the time as a possible symp.

Well I can clarify this for you Kesso. The next sentence in that song is what I was going for. I was hoping the killers may find it ambiguous enough to kill me for it. "I'll be your lover tonight". I do not mind trying to draw the NK when I don't have a role.

I don't know if I can buy this, Bendal. Your 'ploy' is predicated on the killers looking up the lyrics, finding that line, and coming to the conclusion from that that you have a town role. Also, why seek to protect lovers? Seeking to protect the healer makes far more sense. This actually comes off as fake reveal planning which you've had to modify in order to explain away.

Fake reveal on my own? Nah

I said earlier after Liosans death that I'd assumed one if the lovers was the healer.

[Serc]

Morning,

I'm at work, just read up and watching.

After a good nights sleep I'm still confident with my Vote.

[Telas]

Morning.

I turned on this over the night.

I'm still on with my bendal vote.

I have, of course, done the crazy logic routines as well for other scenarios.

The only option I have that puts mockra as a killer is if the symp is already dead, given both bendal and sercs vote. I find this an unlikely scenario.
Serc has never voted bendal, as far as I can see. Sure they've thrown suspicion, but never backed it up, and never committed, even going as far as to say bendal was their prime suspect at one point(paraphrase) but doesn't follow me in voting them.
Now, there is a situation where where serc could be the killer, and is deliberately not voting bendal to screw with me, and thus mockra is his symp,but why not just follow me on bendal, it would give him the win.
Given that the common denominator is serc I would switch to them if the rest of you go for it as stalemating today will not help us. He is either a symp, or the symp is dead. Given that we have either a 2/3 chance of hitting scum to avoid losing or 1/3 chance of hitting to win (based on symp being alive or dead) I suppose logically serc ticks the 2/3 box better than bendal following these thoughts. But the last time I did a bed time turn around it didn't end well.

I guess it comes down to that vote on mockra from serc. Was he expecting a pile on, or is he fake symping bendal at this last juncture.

[Bendal Home]

This is the reason I started looking at Serc as a symp. We know Aranatha is a killer. Serc has post number 37, so a few posts by various people before him. Yet he chooses first Mockra and then Aranatha to make a statement towards, he doesn't engage them and ask them questions like he does me which is his next post.

Serc, on 17 October 2016 - 07:28 PM, said:

Mockra, on 17 October 2016 - 03:40 PM, said:

The mosaics in St Mark's are impressive. The Doges Palace is arguably richer than the Versailles in its overal set-up

The food is over-priced, and all the side-streets are full of crumbling buildings

3 stars out of 5, would not buy property there. Florence is much cooler.

Never been to Venice or Italy for that matter. I would much rather visit Florence.
All I've heard about Venice adds up to:

Not nice to live in
pleasant to visit
excellent to drive past (or in this case float.)

Architecturally I think they and the Dutch lead in explorations into buoyant architectural conversions.

I loved James bond set in Venice, That was loads of fun. The chair with a hole scene? OUCH! The mind recoils at the thought.

Serc, on 17 October 2016 - 07:34 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 17 October 2016 - 03:10 PM, said:

I can't swim. Good thing croc poop floats. Um, it does float, doesn't it?

I have it on good authority that it does. Canalligators are a different story entirely.

Serc, on 17 October 2016 - 07:35 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 17 October 2016 - 06:33 PM, said:

If your alone and you need a friend. Someone to make you forget your problems. Just come along, baby take my hand.


Gosh remember the vengaboys? Out of no where on the radio.

what is a Vengaboy?

So this is what made me looks at Serc as the symp, now that we know Aranatha is scum.

[Bendal Home]

Telas, the reason for your Aranatha hard on was this post.

Aranatha, on 17 October 2016 - 11:08 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 17 October 2016 - 10:49 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 17 October 2016 - 09:41 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 17 October 2016 - 08:58 PM, said:

Why not

vote omtose

Brilliant!

Wait. What?!?

Omtose because they're a low poster? I think Bendal's trying to get this party started. The question is, why does Aranatha care?

Liosan hasn't posted at all, so Omtose isn't the lowest poster. If I "cared" I would have added a vote of my own, one way or the other.

Now, Aranatha is trying to cast shade towards me here, not understanding why I picked Omtose over Liosan.

[Gait]

Sercs reply to you isn't all that different in content, what is true though is that the replies to Mockra and Arrangenata start capsized while the one for you doesn't

[Bendal Home]

Now here is the interesting part. You vote Aranatha.

Telas, on 18 October 2016 - 09:02 AM, said:

Doesn't wash General, there's been nothing but bullshit posted by anyone so far.

That said I'm more interested in Aranthas snappy reply about how he would have voted if he cared.

vote Arantha

Talk to me bitch

Before I see reactions from others, Gait pointed this out..

Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 12:48 PM, said:

Present.
"Bitch," is it?

I liked it better when I was the "loveable" Village Idiot.

So now that I'm channeling Mother Dark I'm a "bitch" to her inferiors.



All my replies are "snappy." Get used to it, Serc. <--Telas.

This could be that Serc is actually Ara's partner, that is why he has Serc on his mind when he replies to you. It is a possibility but rubbishes my symp reasoning above.

12 hours left in the day. One vote for Omtose and one for Aranatha (scum)

day one is always temperamental and it could sway any which way.

So, what do scum do? Well first..

Why this vote Telas?

Mockra, on 18 October 2016 - 02:52 PM, said:

Morning, all.

Still no Liosan? This is getting odd.

vote Liosan


Come out an play with us!

Liosan is facing modkill, and if he does come out, which he did, Mockra will just remove. I think he voted that way to put another option on the board.

Then Serc follows my Omtose vote. Now other people have already stated that they find my vote odd, so why would Serc follow it?


This was Tuesday, I do not think I returned for the rest of the day as it was my birthday and I was doing family stuff.

continued...

[Bendal Home]

Serc asking Kesso which way he is leaning, to which Kesso replies Aranatha

Kessobahn, on 18 October 2016 - 09:02 PM, said:

Serc, on 18 October 2016 - 06:55 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 18 October 2016 - 04:35 PM, said:

Serc, on 18 October 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

Omtose, on 17 October 2016 - 03:33 PM, said:

Present

Bendal Home, on 18 October 2016 - 02:58 PM, said:

True, banter is hard when you do not want to be noticed. Easier to "present" yourself and leave. Ignore the first vote. Let other people comment. I'm liking the Omtose vote more and more.

Well we still have lots of hours left. We are officialy 24 hours in since Omtose last posted.

Theoretically this would be the time Omtose has time to play so I'm gonna lean in on Bendals vote.

Vote Omtose

Lets see what happens.

And if what happens is that they don't respond to your pressure, what then?

I am quite amused by the idea of lynching someone just for posting 'present'.

Not responding to pressure isn't the whole point just part of it.

not much else going on here. thought this was the better use of my vote,

Kesso which train makes the most sense to you then?

Sense? None of them make a sensible amount of sense. But if I had to choose out of the current ones, it would be Arapalooza, because that one at least is based on a bit more than not posting.

But that's also a bit like saying I would choose to lie in dirt over garbage.

So Kesso is leaning towards known scum.

[Bendal Home]

Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 09:11 PM, said:

Am I dirt or garbage?

Day one voting is a crapshoot however you look at it. That's why I like to abstain and let others get egg on their faces.

But it's getting late in the day and I may have to cast a self-preservation vote.

this gets out scum worried, hence the underlined.

[Telas]

Bendal serc as Mockra symp just doesn't work.
He's the second vote on him. If the lovers arrive and hammer, mockra dies and serc loses.
Serc as a symp is your symp.
If Arantha was trying to cast Sharron you, he would have voted, its day one, votes get fired about Willy billy usually.
Unless he didn't want to vote for his buddy?

Sorty, that was a leading question wasn't it.

Nevertheless, serc doesn't work as a mockra symp, so your vote is either a scum vote or totally drinking and block headed now that serc has followed it. Rethink if town, accept loss if scum


ETA Sharron = shade

This post has been edited by Telas: 21 October 2016 - 08:09 AM

[Telas]

Bendal do us all a favour and just stop with requoting again and again, it is painful to read, give us a summary, bearing in mind serc is highly unlikely to be mockra's symp, given the second vote putting him in danger of a lover hammer, and the fact that there is an alternative train that he has acknowledged as viable but will not follow.

[Bendal Home]

Known scum

Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

Omtose is getting railroaded. He/she may be IMPORTANT.

Not gonna join the monkeypile. I'll take the fall if I have to.

but he did join the monkeypile as he calls it.

Mockra, on 18 October 2016 - 10:31 PM, said:

Omtose got 3 votes for not playing.

As much as I always relish the prospect of removing dead weight early, the Aranatha and KF votes should be looked at more before doing that.

I should be able to vote later on the way home now, need to to look @ a house in 30 min.

Here Mockra states that we should look at the scum vote and KF vote before removing Omtose...

DOES HE DO THAT?

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 12:17 AM, said:

I've gotta leave in 10 mins and I won't be back till timeout.

vote Omtose.

At least we might get rid of dead weight.

Nope, he says he has to leave and adds to the Omtose vote.

This puts only one option on the table for the lynch.

Scummy hammer with an hour left to go

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 12:20 AM, said:

Screw it. Let the chips fall where they may.

Vote Omtose

I did not influence the latter stages of the day, I was not around, Serc created Omtose as the forerunner because Aranatha also had a vote and the way some people were thinking it was dangerous to leave him as an option.

[Bendal Home]

Telas, on 21 October 2016 - 08:09 AM, said:

Bendal do us all a favour and just stop with requoting again and again, it is painful to read, give us a summary, bearing in mind serc is highly unlikely to be mockra's symp, given the second vote putting him in danger of a lover hammer, and the fact that there is an alternative train that he has acknowledged as viable but will not follow.

You are wrong. Your fucking wrong and its embarrassing. Two games in a row, at least your taking the time to think things through. Oh wait, you're not and you are not even trying. It's a scummy trait but I think I am right, and I am still looking through to see what went down.

He was never in danger of a lover hammer, because as you say, 4 fucking votes needed. 4, not 3.

What prompted him to vote Mockra? What went down for him to do that? How can he turn round and say that's easy and vote Mockra, because none of this is easy. Symp may be dead, but we are working off WCS and have to assume he is alive.

You out me as what, a killer? Aranatha's partner? then why did he snip at me day one, and why was I not around day end?

I am moving on to day 2, but day one is usually quite telling because they think they aren't going to die, and can mingle better amongst the banter and foolery.

[Kessobahn]

Bendal Home, on 21 October 2016 - 08:18 AM, said:

Telas, on 21 October 2016 - 08:09 AM, said:

Bendal do us all a favour and just stop with requoting again and again, it is painful to read, give us a summary, bearing in mind serc is highly unlikely to be mockra's symp, given the second vote putting him in danger of a lover hammer, and the fact that there is an alternative train that he has acknowledged as viable but will not follow.

You are wrong. Your fucking wrong and its embarrassing. Two games in a row, at least your taking the time to think things through. Oh wait, you're not and you are not even trying. It's a scummy trait but I think I am right, and I am still looking through to see what went down.

He was never in danger of a lover hammer, because as you say, 4 fucking votes needed. 4, not 3.

What prompted him to vote Mockra? What went down for him to do that? How can he turn round and say that's easy and vote Mockra, because none of this is easy. Symp may be dead, but we are working off WCS and have to assume he is alive.

You out me as what, a killer? Aranatha's partner? then why did he snip at me day one, and why was I not around day end?

I am moving on to day 2, but day one is usually quite telling because they think they aren't going to die, and can mingle better amongst the banter and foolery.

I don't know why you're talking in past tense there, because Telas is right: Mockra IS in danger of a lover hammer, There are currently two votes on him, you and Serc, and so he only needs our two votes to be lynched - and Serc put him in that position. That does not seem like symp play.

[Gait]

These were votes after Aranathas two fuckups and Telas voting for Aranatha and vice versa

Both vote elsewhere with questionable reasons

Although reading the back and forth between Mockra and Arrivenatha it doesn't much look like they were partners

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 10:56 PM, said:

Okay, it's almost time for me to go. I gotta vote before I go.

Gait got 2 votes
Aranatha is voting Telas, b/c Telas is voting Aranatha

Telas appears to be voting based on gut again. Keeping in mind how that worked out last game, I'd rather not follow his gut.

Aranatha is all over the place, and his vote is OMGUS everyone I talking about him, so i'm pencillin him as "symp at worst" column, but IGMEOY

Now, Gait vote is based on a case. One that implicates me, as it happens. I obviously don't agree with suggestion that I'm symp, but Bendal ties too many people together in that post for us to simply ignore.

So I'll

vote Gait

And if he CFs inno, i'll be taking a long hard look at Liosan (again)

Bendal Home, on 20 October 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

Look at these three posts from Mockra today.

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.

having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.

Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 October 2016 - 07:19 PM, said:

I agree with most of what you say Bendal and, although I can see how, you've got to a wrong conclusion.

There's not much to Liosan for me. Mockra is there anything else aside from the signalling prod you don't like about them? Bendal, what did you not like about them and how did it change on reread?

Also I think you're leaning towards Telas being town too quickly. But it seems to be an error in my thinking too.

I already mentioned, his cherry-picking of Aranatha's quotes without context stinks of strawmanning.

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:36 PM, said:

Thinking on it, I actually like Bendal's kesso-Lio pairing for killers. Because Kesso DID actually do the about face switch that Lio accused Aranatha of (when it came to voting Omtose)

Kessobahn, on 18 October 2016 - 11:53 PM, said:

Three hours left and I don't see a lynch happening. I actually quite like Gait's pick up on Kadagar, though probably not quite enough to vote for it. I'm tempted to vote for the everpresent Omtose for giggles, but that wouldn't be mature. Aranatha I see as a symp at worst, in which case I should vote for Omtose over them, but that's also currently based on very little other than me poking them. Liosan's vote on Gait I don't really get - wasn't their beef with Mockra?

And their very next post:

Kessobahn, on 19 October 2016 - 12:15 AM, said:

Meh. I've seen worse reasons.

Vote Omtose

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 10:56 PM, said:

Okay, it's almost time for me to go. I gotta vote before I go.

Gait got 2 votes
Aranatha is voting Telas, b/c Telas is voting Aranatha

Telas appears to be voting based on gut again. Keeping in mind how that worked out last game, I'd rather not follow his gut.

Aranatha is all over the place, and his vote is OMGUS everyone I talking about him, so i'm pencillin him as "symp at worst" column, but IGMEOY

Now, Gait vote is based on a case. One that implicates me, as it happens. I obviously don't agree with suggestion that I'm symp, but Bendal ties too many people together in that post for us to simply ignore.

So I'll

vote Gait

And if he CFs inno, i'll be taking a long hard look at Liosan (again)

Er, what the actual fuck.


All day pointing his finger at Liosan and then votes Gait even though the case involves him signalling Gait. This to show or "prove" that Gait is not his master? Fuck, I really wanted to move away from Gait but I do not think I can or should.

Vote Gait

Mockra says he doesn't want to follow Tela's gut but Tela's vote had little to do with gut and Mockra later calls it a vote based on his proven scum "tell", that seems to be contradicting

Edit: posted first quote twice

This post has been edited by Gait: 21 October 2016 - 08:44 AM

[Bendal Home]

Start of day 2. Serc's partner or Master is his first breath.

Serc, on 19 October 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:

Very weird. Guess LB hit some tech issues?

Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.


Well reading up I'm interested in several people.


Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?

In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.

I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.

Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.

Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?

Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.

Cheers.

This is scummy, given that Aranatha was scum.

Now at this stage, what did I think, well in my PM I said...

I am paraphrasing instead of quoting but I said this...

"Today I want to lynch kesso

Telas and Aranatha are lovers and is why I am not looking at them

One of Mockra, Lio or Gait is scum (fucking 2 out of 3 were roled so something must have ticked)

kesso, Mockra, Lio and gait on my scum read so far

I need a cf for further clues"

Bendal Home, on 19 October 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

Had a busy day yesterday, after my last post I did not log in until now. Not surprised we lynched but I am surprised there was nothing from Omtose in return. Going to do a little read up of day one and see if anything jumps out. Most probably not at this stage.

This is my first post of day 2. Yet my second post is a case, throwing a few people into the mix, I also asked Aranatha why the need for self preservation?

Now what about Mockra's, did he look further into the Aranatha vote like he said he would? No. Who is he not liking?

Lio, Lio who not only dislikes Aranatha but also pointed out Mockra's "now you know" post.

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.

having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.

Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.

Aranatha votes Mockra. Out of the blue. For a possible signal, because Mockra said it was a signal. Which in turn asks us to ask the question why the signallee over the master, it also gets us looking at Mockra as a potential symp over a killer, and certainly distances Aranatha from Mockra.

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

Mockra, on 18 October 2016 - 10:28 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 October 2016 - 09:04 PM, said:

Mockra, on 17 October 2016 - 03:17 PM, said:

Gait, on 17 October 2016 - 03:11 PM, said:

Me not really either. And I understand why have canals when you can have roads just a few miles farther in the first place.

According to Age of Empires II, Venice was founded by refugees from a Roman city (that started with "A") that was sacked by Attila, who were desperate to find a secure and defensible place to live.

...And now you know...

Am I the only one whose spidey sense is tingling when they read something like AND NOW YOU KNOW at the end of the post?

If you want to accuse me of signalling or something how about you just do that, rather doing the smoke and mirrors and "this is SOMEHOW SUSPICIOUS!!!1" bit?

remove vote

Since you bothered to show up.

Kessobahn, on 19 October 2016 - 04:47 PM, said:

Yes, I too am feeling let down. Everyone else should post more and better!

@ Bendal: Regarding your case...it's about possible signalling, which I never have the hots for, simply because I'd never do it myself.

I don't do it either, but the fact remains that some people are doing it all the time. I don't know how often they're caught doing it, but I'd pretty much expect to be caught if I did do it. So I don't.


}Now you know" seems particularly cryptic to be taken for a signal, but Liosan never said he read it as a signal, just something that made his "spidey Senses tingle." Mockra said Liosan was seeing a signal that wasn't there. So just maybe - it was.

Vote Mockra

It isn't because Mockra is jittery either, because Gaot makes him explain his vote...

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 08:21 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 October 2016 - 08:12 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 08:05 PM, said:

Well, you've run rings around me logically, there...

I'll wait on Mokra's predictably vehement reply.

What I'm getting at is the only role to feel to need to make signals is symp signalling to his masters. Hence if you believe it might be a signal you will logically vote the one the presumed signal was aimed at because he is likely one of the presumed symp's masters. So I'm asking why are you voting presumed symp over a presumed master?

Because I'm not assuming that the signal (if it's a signal) is necessarily directed at the player (you) to whom Mockra replied to.

He is painting Mockra as a symp and we never lynch a symp suspect over a killer.

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:26 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 07:58 PM, said:

I'm voting Mockra because he was so forceful in denying a specific accusation that was never even made.

I assumed that was the accusation. I am giving Lio the benefit of the doubt that he actually had a reason to point me out, rather than shoot the shit, or, as he ended up putting it, "genuinely sanity-checking" himself. I was wrong, I forgot Rule 1: Assume everyone else playing is an idiot.

And now you're voting me, because... I purposefully drew attention to the fact I'm signalling? Is that it?

I don't think that even merits on OMGUs at this point

Mockra is very calm here, probably knowing his partner won't push. Also no vote back.

What is very interesting here is this

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 08:38 PM, said:

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:28 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 08:21 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 October 2016 - 08:12 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 08:05 PM, said:

Well, you've run rings around me logically, there...

I'll wait on Mokra's predictably vehement reply.

What I'm getting at is the only role to feel to need to make signals is symp signalling to his masters. Hence if you believe it might be a signal you will logically vote the one the presumed signal was aimed at because he is likely one of the presumed symp's masters. So I'm asking why are you voting presumed symp over a presumed master?

Because I'm not assuming that the signal (if it's a signal) is necessarily directed at the player (you) to whom Mockra replied to.

Now you're just WIFOMing for the sake of WIFOMing. ONLy merit to making a symp case is if you ca point at the master (and vote the master). There's no way proving anyone's a symp, b/c they'll CF RI anyways.

It's not like a weak case is unheard of around here, is it? I have an excuse for my stupidity which I'll gladly share at the end of the game.

Remove Vote

There you go, he says it himself. Out of scum's mouth

[Bendal Home]

Kessobahn, on 21 October 2016 - 08:32 AM, said:

Bendal Home, on 21 October 2016 - 08:18 AM, said:

Telas, on 21 October 2016 - 08:09 AM, said:

Bendal do us all a favour and just stop with requoting again and again, it is painful to read, give us a summary, bearing in mind serc is highly unlikely to be mockra's symp, given the second vote putting him in danger of a lover hammer, and the fact that there is an alternative train that he has acknowledged as viable but will not follow.

You are wrong. Your fucking wrong and its embarrassing. Two games in a row, at least your taking the time to think things through. Oh wait, you're not and you are not even trying. It's a scummy trait but I think I am right, and I am still looking through to see what went down.

He was never in danger of a lover hammer, because as you say, 4 fucking votes needed. 4, not 3.

What prompted him to vote Mockra? What went down for him to do that? How can he turn round and say that's easy and vote Mockra, because none of this is easy. Symp may be dead, but we are working off WCS and have to assume he is alive.

You out me as what, a killer? Aranatha's partner? then why did he snip at me day one, and why was I not around day end?

I am moving on to day 2, but day one is usually quite telling because they think they aren't going to die, and can mingle better amongst the banter and foolery.

I don't know why you're talking in past tense there, because Telas is right: Mockra IS in danger of a lover hammer, There are currently two votes on him, you and Serc, and so he only needs our two votes to be lynched - and Serc put him in that position. That does not seem like symp play.

No, I removed my vote Kesso, but when Serc added, it would have required both you and Gait to vote the same way, without discussion which would never happen.