[Silanah]

 Bek Okhan, on 12 October 2016 - 08:39 PM, said:

Ok, first of all, I gotta call you out on the no pressure: I mentioned you as a suspect yesterday. And you perked up and made the Ano case.
Yes, i'm aware, RL, health issues, etc. But from where I'm standing, the 2 are still temporarily connected. So no, you didn't "have any pressure".
Secondly, re: Monok. You are talking about "re-evaluating" from Day 2 to Day 3, yes? Day 1 was basically a write-off, info wise, except for the 2 CFs. In terms of Ano's evaluation of Monok as SK: I happen to agree with him, as to how SK would play against the FM. So I'm not giving MO a pass because he found the FM- everyone wanted FM gone- SK possibly more than anyone else (if he wasn't jump proof). As town, I have no way of second guessing anyone's motivation against the FM, so I agree with Ando that you're harping too much on that (see what I meant about this being a philosophical discussion).
I'm much more interested in Ano's callous fixation on Korlat from the get go. But that's not something you've addressed. Instead you are taking things I happen to agree with Ano on and blowing them out of proportion to paint him as scum. I don't know why you'd go through such lengths to do that, but then we go back to the fact that I DID call you out for not saying much before (something you conveniently brush off as "I've had no pressure on me untill I started posting") . So you can see where I'm coming from (I hope)

fair, perhaps your take on pressure and mine is different. you called me out on points, I replied to them and really it was a case in passing I don't think had much to it/. I think linking my release of a case on Ano purely on your questions about me is a bit strained.

 Silanah, on 07 October 2016 - 04:08 AM, said:

JBCC edition 6.1 section 26.0 payment / adjustment of preliminaries

Option A to be assessed by PA, an amount pro tated to the value of the works executed in the same ratio as the preliminaries to the contract sum, (including tax); shall exclude the amount of preliminaries, all coningency sums and any allowance for CPAP

In short I need to find a decent calculator.


Morning all, I promised a case build but cant get to a PC in present state. I have been following more or less on the Pad and mobile.

The flow of the game so far in summary:

Korlat was vocal day 1 and making decent cases end of day 2. Now (s)he is not so vocal. This is not consistent and has everyones hackles up.

Last game I did say I dont really like basing play of alting, that wasn't just cover. If Tatts was Korlat I really wouldn't trust myself to say. Those on and in tune with the meta game seem pretty convinced, three if I count MO, Ryl and HP which helps me identify the more invested players.

Korlat was on my radar for completely different reasons and Ano has popped up at unusual times. thats all I have at the moment. FM aside I think the real challenge is working out Where the SK wants town vote to go. I'd imagine the FM would want to go for the SK early on, and vice versa. Korlat being silent day 2 doesnt seem to help our cause, the lynch train makes the most sense. I think its a bit weird to have complete silence from a possessed character though. I'd have expected the slip up to be in the playstyle and not the lack of it. Either way:

VOTE KORLAT

Is the best way to work out if the meta game is on to something. If not it ends the speculation there and helps us follow the breadcrumbs to the likely SK at the very least.

This was my Day 2 inclination. my notes on Ano and suspicions stem this far back. I kept an open opinion at that point. today when put on the spot I re-evaluated my notes. things clicked and I figured I'm on to something. I did'nt piggy back on anything.

Ano was always on my radar since this post day 2. I haven't just pulled the case out my butt. I think where you saw me reacting to your points on me I am actually placing alternative points on Ano. If you don't agree on my points that's also fair. I had my way of looking at him and you had yours. In essence I am not jumping onto your case, I'm adding mine to it. if they don't match up who cares.

Clearly there's smoke, why assume I'm the fire?

[Silanah]

 Silanah, on 12 October 2016 - 12:26 PM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 04 October 2016 - 05:06 PM, said:

Third!

 Korlat, on 05 October 2016 - 03:30 PM, said:

Vote Anomandaris

Where you at boy?

 Korlat, on 05 October 2016 - 04:05 PM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 05 October 2016 - 04:00 PM, said:

Vote Korlat


too much helpfulness and speculation for my liking thank you very much

Oh you are about, I saw you posted after HP and Ultama but were yet to arrive today. My vote rankle you a little bit huh?

This at the beginning of the game was interesting. Anomandaris was active, he jumped on as third. Korlat tried to start a little banter and Voted Anomandaris, Anomandaris replied with a vote back for "too much helpfulness."

This is Tatts-type-play but at the time I thought ok valid point but not really addressing the fact you were voted so...OMGUS, not really, felt like fighting fire with fire, escalating too soon too efficently.

This post 30 minutes apart from Korlats vote.so attentive play here from Anomander.

At this point I thought Anomandaris was too sensitive to the vote and trying to play it off.
Then this:

 Anomandaris, on 05 October 2016 - 12:23 PM, said:

This is very slow stuff people.
Surely we all need to post more to make it harder for the FM to hide later?

Will commence a no poster pogrom poste haste

 Path-Shaper, on 06 October 2016 - 04:02 PM, said:

As of this post:

 Ultama, on 06 October 2016 - 04:35 AM, said:

remove vote

vote Togg

It is Day 1. 11 hours and 15 minutes since time out

11 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Bek Okhan, Denesmet, Fener, Hood's Path, Korlat, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras, Silanah, Togg, Ultama

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

6 Votes for Togg ( Fener, Korlat, Silanah, Monok Ochem, Hood's Path, Ultama )
1 Vote for Korlat ( Anomandaris )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Denesmet, Ryllandaras, Togg


Togg has been lynched. He was Shinrei and the town Guard.

He keeps his vote on Korlat despite lots of content switching and supporting the low poster pogrom he started. This was very odd.

Now call me paranoid but for day 1 activity alone this seemed wildly inconsistent. Anomander has distanced himself from the very style of play he kinda reccommeded we follow.

I'm a bit confused why no one else has an issue with this.

Ok I'm getting back to work. I have more notes I'll try pick up on later.

Also for the record: Not a Lawyer. I was duped into a career that has so much contract law I might as well be one though.

@Bek: One more thing here. This post I made earlier.

When you consider Ano's activity, Day 1. He initiates a low post pogrom and then deigns not to follow it. I might not be getting through on his approach to MO but I have it in mind to focus on his stance Day 1 when reading the rest, I think its critical to think about this in the greater context of his activity this game.

[Monok Ochem]

Sorry, minor drama forced me away from the thread. Back now and going to post more extensive thoughts in a bit. I would say now that I'm not particularly feeling the Ano case. My reasoning is that I don't think a solo killer would be ballsy enough to be first out of the gate with a vote - and with no case other than 'gut reaction' to boot - on the first day when town is totally focused on finding only them.

[Monok Ochem]

I know we don't have a lot of time left (4 hours or so?) so I will try to not take too long gathering my thoughts.

[Ryllandaras]

I haven't had lots of time today... How long is left in the clock?

[Ryllandaras]

xpost with Monok.

[Ryllandaras]

I was going to vote Monok, but while I thought Bek's initial Sil case was weak, Sil has been spazzing out ever since.

vote Silanah

[Anomandaris]

I think we are at the 3 hour mark.
It's looking like me or Sil for the chop as we're both on 2 and no one else seems to want to join me in a Monkey hunt.

I find this strange since prior to sils 'case' on me I had little to no feelings regarding them but this sudden spaz out in my direction with, still, even after rainbow quoting, unsubstantiated, misrepresented and twisting bullshit is strange.

That being said, I dont see sil as our killer, too loud and vocal for the profile, especially with 3 days left.

My vote stays, at this minute in time I still get the scummiest vibe from MO, I'm not going to switch to Sil to get a lynch as I don't think they're a killer profile. symp or drunken town fits better,and given the set up we must assume pissed up.
Night, do whatever you have to

[Bek Okhan]

Well that's just straight up unhelpful.
I'm about to head home from work. Then I got footy in the evening, but I'll have a brief window of time to switch my vote if we really need it for a lynch.

[Monok Ochem]

Honestly, right now I don't see either Ano or Silanah as the SK. In that sense, their prolonged 'discussion' today has been helpful in helping me reach conclusions, for the time being, about them.

Below are some posts that stood out to me as of interest during my reread. They're from a number of players but as I read along I started getting a greater sense of suspicion around one player in particular, Hood's Path, though I will say straight away that it's not based on much. I will include the posts of the other players here in case someone else sees them as discussion-worthy also.


In these first two posts Bek and Ryll both mention the SK in day 1. I'm always on the lookout for those kinds of things as I'm of the belief that those with roles tend to, by and large, talk about them more than others, especially early on during the 'role speculation' phase. Of the two, Ryll's stood out more to me, as it was more spontaneous mentioning of the SK, whereas Bek's was following on from something Korlat said.

 Bek Okhan, on 05 October 2016 - 03:37 PM, said:

 Korlat, on 05 October 2016 - 03:28 PM, said:

<br /><i>To Kruppe<br /><br />We need to lynch everyday as you can imagine, but it is more important to do so in this type of game as the FM can jump out of bodies/alts and the SK may have defensive abilities like being lynch proof and bullet proof. It may take multiple days to lynch the SK.<br /><br />Yours sincerely</i><br />

<br /><br /><br />

Would SK be possession proof- that is the quarter million dollar question

 Ryllandaras, on 05 October 2016 - 09:52 PM, said:

 Fener, on 05 October 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

 Anomandaris, on 05 October 2016 - 04:00 PM, said:

Vote Korlat


too much helpfulness and speculation for my liking thank you very much

I think Korlat will be a bad choice for a D1 lynch as of this moment. They're active on thread which I like to see.

There is of course the possibility they're the FM establishing themselves as chief noisy so that when they jump there is no pressure to sustain someone elses high posting volumes...

There is also an SK out there... I think the italics are an odd touch. I can't think of anyone using them in recent games much.

Ryll is, however, the first to vote for Korlat on day 2. As with Ano today, I'm not sure I can see the SK puttig themselves out there first.

 Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2016 - 07:05 PM, said:

I reread, and I'm not the best at alting, but I'm still feeling Korlat as Tatts.

vote Korlat

On to Denesmet. Denesmet went to a fair bit of trouble to detract the FM from jumping in to them, with the change of name code thing. Efforts like that immediately make me think they might have a juicy role they wish to protect.

 Denesmet, on 06 October 2016 - 09:08 PM, said:

 Babylon, on 06 October 2016 - 08:46 PM, said:

 Lincoln, on 06 October 2016 - 08:30 PM, said:

 Annie, on 06 October 2016 - 07:59 PM, said:

 Napoleon, on 06 October 2016 - 06:11 PM, said:

I'm taking the dog for a walk. don't take my 45 min. absence as incriminating.

It's coming up to 2 hours now, that is incriminating

Blame the dog... :paranoid:

I'm not getting the Washington/Eisenhower reference...

FM innoculation. There's a pattern. Not so simple as to be easily cracked. Not so hard as to be useless. Medium strength. FM might not get it. One or more RIs might figure it out and be able to tell if the FM was screwing it up.

And the pain-in-the-ass factor is its own deterrent to alt usurpation.

But then I found HP interesting. First, their points about Korlat were a regurgitation of things which had already been said on thread by others. The rest of this post below is them addresing what Korlat in their final post said about them. I found this odd, that HP felt the need to defend themselves and their post content from what was at the time a fairly weak and solitary mention at the time which no one else had even followed up after Korlat's post.

And then HP finished up with the mention of 'glad we're finally looking for the SK', which raises my hackles.

 Hood, on 07 October 2016 - 01:51 AM, said:

Should have a couple hours tonight to be around. I know it's not much, but I'll also have all morning tomorrow leading up to timeout.

I'd like to address a couple of things from Korlat real fast. Pre-disappearance Korlat was the first to stress that we all need to be around and developing strong presences to avoid being an easy target for the FM.

 Korlat, on 05 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

We should all be developing a personality on thread this game, to make it hard for the FM to overtake us. Those like JPK and Nom have never played an FM game before have they, so we need a good town strategy early doors.

Then right before he disappears he looked closely at each of us, and attempted to call me out for being nothing but filler.

 Korlat, on 06 October 2016 - 11:14 AM, said:

For someone who has the fourth highest number of posts Hood's Path only post of note is this one.

 Hood, on 06 October 2016 - 03:16 AM, said:

 Fener, on 06 October 2016 - 02:12 AM, said:

I dislike the idea of voting for someone who is on the edge of modkill. That said, we'd get a full CF. Since I'm already there I guess I'll stay.

Damn it Fener, I don't like to agree with you. You're right though. We're more likely to lynch town than either the FM or SK at this point. At least this way, e have the advantage of seeing the cf as well as knowing that were really only losing one instead of the two that the modkill would set-up.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get the baby to sleep.

vote togg

I understand day one has a lot of spam and dragonsecks, but this guys just adding filler. Little to no conten

Look back at my posts from day one however, I wasn't just posting filler. I was giving a lot of information about myself that some of you should have picked up on to alt me. I'm a west coast american with a baby. Hell, to go a bit further, she's only a 3mo. That should really alt me to most of you guys who spend time in the inn.


Korlat going completely MIA is bugging me a bit too, especially with how active he was yesterday. That's part of why I think Korlat was Tatts yesterday though. Korlat matched both Tatt's usual timeframe and his spammy play-style. I understand that people get busy with work and family, but it should be possible to put up at least one or two posts over the course of 24 hours.

I'm happy to see that someone finally started thinking about the SK. If anything, I think that s/he is going to be the harder one to find since they don't have to risk fucking up while blending into a new alt.



Hey Korlat, where are you? Come out to play with us!

Vote Korlat

Today, HP talks about being willing to vote Ano after Sil's case, but also wants to wait before voting. Of course, that could be just the decent thing, though I would argue L-1 isn't such a danger at this point, with only one scum remaining who wouldn't be willing to risk suspicion by just jumping on and hammering.

HP also telling Ano he could put in more effort into his case - while I agree - is also somewhat ironic coming from them, as HP's contribution has been minimal.

 Hood, on 12 October 2016 - 05:25 PM, said:

Ok first things first. Sil has put up a fairly strong case on Ano here today. I'm also having very strong scum pinging from the fact that we're into day 3 but Ano's willing to let his case be based simply on gut feeling. That's lazy and he can do better.

I'm willing to place my vote there, but I'm not willing to put him at l1 before he gets a chance to pop on board and speak up for himself a bit.

So currently, I would

Vote Hood's Path

[Silanah]

Remove vote

Being the drunk spaz, i'm kinda over the lynch today.

Turns out my ramp in activity cant follow thin cases from Bek Okhan alts

Who knew.

[Hood's Path]

Ok, time is winding down and I've been gone most of the day again. Work and baby have had me pretty beat this week.

Of all of the cap that came up during the Sil/Ano lovefest there were two things that really stood out to me.

 Silanah, on 12 October 2016 - 04:29 PM, said:

MO posted as the thought came to him, free styled it almost. HP verified the logic.
This is the kind of activity firm town players engage in.

And

 Anomandaris, on 12 October 2016 - 05:56 PM, said:

[color="#FF0000"]Hold the phone there batman, we've got a call coming in, and it's full of bullshit
Never once have I suggested HP was acting like the FM, I alted him on his first fucking post. It is in fact, the alting of him that pushed him to the bottom of my suspect list, purely meta reasoning, which probably will be ridiculed post game.

Now it's bad enough that Silanah is willing to even hint at vpi'ing anyone due to townlike play while there are two separate threats to town but I actually take a bit of offense at Ano writing me off due to alting me. I'm not going to claim to be a great player, but we shouldn't rule anyone out as scum because of meta like that when MM randomly assigns roles.

Now that's of my chest I'm going to drive home. I'll post a full case once I'm off mobile, but before time-out.

[Ryllandaras]

Not much of a compelling argument there Monok, but I did notice HP was doing a good job coasting myself.

At this point I'm not seeing a lynch happening.

[Monok Ochem]

 Ryllandaras, on 12 October 2016 - 11:25 PM, said:

Not much of a compelling argument there Monok, but I did notice HP was doing a good job coasting myself.

At this point I'm not seeing a lynch happening.

I think it's fair to say that the SK hasn't had it too strenuous thus far because our attention was largely on the FM, so I wouldn't have expected to have much to go on. It is therefore not strong substantively, but in terms of play style HP gave me the most warning signs. It is, however, a fairly close call between them and others such as yourself and Den.

With regards to lynch, I will be around till timeout, though I would be quite hesitant to change to either Ano or Sil.

[Denesmet]

 Ryllandaras, on 12 October 2016 - 11:25 PM, said:

Not much of a compelling argument there Monok, but I did notice HP was doing a good job coasting myself.

At this point I'm not seeing a lynch happening.

Monok came on 3 times today saying he was "gathering his thoughts." Talk about coasting... I began to suspect he was waiting for either Sil or Ano to get 3 votes so he could drop in late and push one or the other over the top. Apparently, that would look a bit suspicious.

So instead he chimed in not overly late with a vote for Hood. This leads me to suspect MO would PREFER a no-lynch day, leaving us in the same boat tomorrow (minus one night kill, which would be neither Ano or Sil). I'm not keen on a lynchless day. Sil has removed her vote for Ano and I'm now inclined to remove mine too.

Remove Vote

vote Monok Ochem

[Denesmet]

What i mean is that MO would prefer a lynch he didn't have to jump on a bandwagon to bring about. Barring that, he'll settle for a no lynch.

[Hood's Path]

You know what, I'm willing to place a vote for MO. Partly OMGUS, but partly for doing EXACTLY what he's been accusing me of. What's more, each time I've been on, I've contributed at least a little to the discussion. Even if it's only my take on a previously stated arguement that I've found to be fair.

As much as I've disliked bits of play from both Ano and Sil, MO strikes me as more likely to be an actual killer.

Vote Monok Ochem

[Ryllandaras]

Remove vote

Vote Monok

For his no nk speculation as mentioned above.

[Bek Okhan]

I think that's a lynch.




Won't Ano be surprised.

[Denesmet]

 Bek Okhan, on 13 October 2016 - 12:24 AM, said:

I think that's a lynch.




Won't Ano be surprised.

It's not too late for Ano to chime in and change HIS vote! LMAO