[Silanah]

Anomandaris, on 04 October 2016 - 05:06 PM, said:

Third!

Korlat, on 05 October 2016 - 03:30 PM, said:

Vote Anomandaris

Where you at boy?

Korlat, on 05 October 2016 - 04:05 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 05 October 2016 - 04:00 PM, said:

Vote Korlat


too much helpfulness and speculation for my liking thank you very much

Oh you are about, I saw you posted after HP and Ultama but were yet to arrive today. My vote rankle you a little bit huh?

This at the beginning of the game was interesting. Anomandaris was active, he jumped on as third. Korlat tried to start a little banter and Voted Anomandaris, Anomandaris replied with a vote back for "too much helpfulness."

This is Tatts-type-play but at the time I thought ok valid point but not really addressing the fact you were voted so...OMGUS, not really, felt like fighting fire with fire, escalating too soon too efficently.

This post 30 minutes apart from Korlats vote.so attentive play here from Anomander.

At this point I thought Anomandaris was too sensitive to the vote and trying to play it off.
Then this:

Anomandaris, on 05 October 2016 - 12:23 PM, said:

This is very slow stuff people.
Surely we all need to post more to make it harder for the FM to hide later?

Will commence a no poster pogrom poste haste

Path-Shaper, on 06 October 2016 - 04:02 PM, said:

As of this post:

Ultama, on 06 October 2016 - 04:35 AM, said:

remove vote

vote Togg

It is Day 1. 11 hours and 15 minutes since time out

11 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Bek Okhan, Denesmet, Fener, Hood's Path, Korlat, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras, Silanah, Togg, Ultama

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

6 Votes for Togg ( Fener, Korlat, Silanah, Monok Ochem, Hood's Path, Ultama )
1 Vote for Korlat ( Anomandaris )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Denesmet, Ryllandaras, Togg


Togg has been lynched. He was Shinrei and the town Guard.

He keeps his vote on Korlat despite lots of content switching and supporting the low poster pogrom he started. This was very odd.

Now call me paranoid but for day 1 activity alone this seemed wildly inconsistent. Anomander has distanced himself from the very style of play he kinda reccommeded we follow.

I'm a bit confused why no one else has an issue with this.

Ok I'm getting back to work. I have more notes I'll try pick up on later.

Also for the record: Not a Lawyer. I was duped into a career that has so much contract law I might as well be one though.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 11 hours and 35 minutes remaining

7 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Bek Okhan, Denesmet, Hood's Path, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras, Silanah

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Monok Ochem ( Anomandaris )
1 Vote for Anomandaris ( Denesmet )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Hood's Path, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras, Silanah

[Hood's Path]

Busy couple days for me. The Boss is out of the store so I'm running the whole place. Bleh.

Should be a bit better for me today, so I'll be around all the way until time-out. I'm going to read up on what I missed and then see what I see.

[Silanah]

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

fucking hell thats a nasty first phase for us.

I'm tempted to go right back to voting Korlat

This was Anos first post in a while, response to the Day 1 lynch. Whats odd is his use of hyperbole when it really wasn't as bad as it could be.
purposeful panic mongering IMO. Denesmet echoes this and feels strongly enough to lay down a vote.

Denesmet, on 06 October 2016 - 09:21 PM, said:

Alexandria, on 06 October 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

fucking hell thats a nasty first phase for us.

I'm tempted to go right back to voting Korlat

I recognize that I posted something similar, but this is a little too "golly-gee-willikers" for my taste.


Vote Anomandaris

Anomandaris doesn't respond directly to this vote and instead:

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2016 - 10:28 PM, said:

On my phone. Was just about to fall asleep.
Who was it today that started the speculation on the ultama/tatts/korlat?
Iirc there was a post where they suggested that our healer healed the so target and the fm jumped our healer.

This has to be bullshit, that person is our sk or fm

In hindsight a bad read of decent play. At the time of course speculation on the ultama/tatts/korlat was pretty easy to interpret as wifomism.
good meta play often is. there lies the risk. Calling it outright bullshit was lazy and a few players pinged on that point.

Taking it up a notch was stating this person has to be our SK or FM. Now this wasn't hard to look into even if you're playing on the phone. The post in question was by HP:

Hood, on 06 October 2016 - 05:58 PM, said:

From the 101:

Faceless Man (aka FM)
1. a role that allows alt jumping. In essence, the Faceless Man targets another alt. At the end of a designated period of time (sometimes the end of the phase, sometimes after a full day and night cycle), the players switch game alts. After that, the player who now plays from the FM's former alt is removed from the game. Sometimes, the password of the game alt is changed to avoid fuck-ups.

This leads me to agree with the growing consensus that the FM started as Ultama and hopped to Tatt's alt.

Now, from yesterday's play, who matches both Tatt's usual times and play-style? No one said anything to set themselves up for an auto-lynch yesterday so at least he didn't suicide again.

But HP built this off speculation from MO

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

But only one death. So I would assume the FM doesn't jump every night.

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2016 - 05:14 PM, said:

Or the more complicated version of Tatts healing the right target, only to be jumped into by the FM, and what we see as Ultama' s CF actually belongs/ed to another, and Ultama was the FM's original body.

Thoughts?

MO posted as the thought came to him, free styled it almost. HP verified the logic.
This is the kind of activity firm town players engage in.

Then MO and Ryl and HP all go deep into meta territory. Shoring up the case on Korlat as the new FM, it developed well and I followed the train with a post along the lines of: "hey, this is alot of stuff on meta, I'll vote to see if its getting anywhere."

The next we hear from Ano is shortly after I put Korlat on L2

Anomandaris, on 07 October 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:

I'd like Korlat to check in today before voting.
I would also like to vote for Monok based on his reaction to my little poke

Then he follows up with:

Anomandaris, on 07 October 2016 - 12:45 PM, said:

Now I am leaning back into my Korlat vote, purely on this backtracking what I said makes no sense post. It's the kind of thing I say/do when scum and get caught out in a nonsensical post.

vote Korlat

Putting Korlat on L1.

I have to double take on this. At one point Anomandaris vaguely suggests MO/HP are acting like the FM.

then he follows the steam on the Korlat train, pegging MO as scum despite effectively adhering to the logic MO, Ryl and HP have built up.
After Korlat comes on and starts to look shaky against the case presented on him Ano joins the Korlat train, for "backtracking" as he put it.
A bit of a strange statement since Ano effectively called MO scum while voting on the case MO built.

This is ok, Ano may indeed just be sticking to his gut, however:

Anomandaris, on 07 October 2016 - 06:00 PM, said:

Bosh.
One down one to go.

Still like Monok for our sk but will get a reread at some stage during the freeze.
DA FREEZE (in Arnie voice)

Why? he was right? why not re-evaluate??? MOST town players would.

Anomandaris, on 11 October 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

Ok, I'm thinking our SK is Monok, Rhyll or Denesmet.
pretty much gut feeling on all three on a post or comment here or there. But Monok has stuck out the most often to me.

vote Monok Ochem

This is just...wrong.

Now if the SK is Monok, Rhyll or Denesmet the level of meta play is alot of heavy lifting. I'd sooner assume lazy play than this much effort with an actual coup.
had he made this comment pre FM CF I'd agree, to make it post FM CF?

This ultimately reads as threatened scum trying to drop shade on sharp somewhat obvious town players.

I might be completely wrong about this but its all connected to timing and I usually take note of this on rereads.
Ano may just not have a good read of the game but by all intents and purposes this reasoning to vote MO flies against logical town interests.

VOTE ANOMANDARIS

[Monok Ochem]

Finally have time and will be reading through the thread the next while.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 8 hours and 37 minutes remaining

7 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Bek Okhan, Denesmet, Hood's Path, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras, Silanah

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Monok Ochem ( Anomandaris )
2 Votes for Anomandaris ( Denesmet, Silanah )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Hood's Path, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras

[Hood's Path]

Ok first things first. Sil has put up a fairly strong case on Ano here today. I'm also having very strong scum pinging from the fact that we're into day 3 but Ano's willing to let his case be based simply on gut feeling. That's lazy and he can do better.

I'm willing to place my vote there, but I'm not willing to put him at l1 before he gets a chance to pop on board and speak up for himself a bit.

[Anomandaris]

I'm sorry but a strong case? Sultanate post is entirely misrepresentation in nearly every point.
Will break this down when I turn the laptop on

[Anomandaris]

Silanah, on 12 October 2016 - 04:29 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

fucking hell thats a nasty first phase for us.

I'm tempted to go right back to voting Korlat

This was Anos first post in a while, response to the Day 1 lynch. Whats odd is his use of hyperbole when it really wasn't as bad as it could be.
purposeful panic mongering IMO. Denesmet echoes this and feels strongly enough to lay down a vote.

Wasn't as bad as it could have been? we lost 2 roled town phase 1, how in under fuck could it have been worse?

Denesmet, on 06 October 2016 - 09:21 PM, said:

Alexandria, on 06 October 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

fucking hell thats a nasty first phase for us.

I'm tempted to go right back to voting Korlat

I recognize that I posted something similar, but this is a little too "golly-gee-willikers" for my taste.


Vote Anomandaris

Anomandaris doesn't respond directly to this vote and instead:

whats to respond to, he doesn't like my post, I accept that, I vote for people based on one post all the time, see my L-1 korlat, that was swung entirely by one fucking sentence, which I was right about by the by.

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2016 - 10:28 PM, said:

On my phone. Was just about to fall asleep.
Who was it today that started the speculation on the ultama/tatts/korlat?
Iirc there was a post where they suggested that our healer healed the so target and the fm jumped our healer.

This has to be bullshit, that person is our sk or fm

In hindsight a bad read of decent play. At the time of course speculation on the ultama/tatts/korlat was pretty easy to interpret as wifomism.
good meta play often is. there lies the risk. Calling it outright bullshit was lazy and a few players pinged on that point.

Taking it up a notch was stating this person has to be our SK or FM. Now this wasn't hard to look into even if you're playing on the phone. The post in question was by HP:

Stop misrepresenting me. You lazy Fuck wit
A decent play? it was a crapshoot that was fired before Korlat had even posted, there is no way yuou can class that as agood play, except to tip Korlat that people think he's the FM, thus making him try harder to hide. or on the other hand, it was an SK that dropped a kill due to a heal and he thus knew that Ultamas fate was an FM jump. Either way it provided possible information for the FM to use before they had posted to incriminate themselves (luckily for us they got lynched anyway)

Hood, on 06 October 2016 - 05:58 PM, said:

From the 101:

Faceless Man (aka FM)
1. a role that allows alt jumping. In essence, the Faceless Man targets another alt. At the end of a designated period of time (sometimes the end of the phase, sometimes after a full day and night cycle), the players switch game alts. After that, the player who now plays from the FM's former alt is removed from the game. Sometimes, the password of the game alt is changed to avoid fuck-ups.

This leads me to agree with the growing consensus that the FM started as Ultama and hopped to Tatt's alt.

Now, from yesterday's play, who matches both Tatt's usual times and play-style? No one said anything to set themselves up for an auto-lynch yesterday so at least he didn't suicide again.

But HP built this off speculation from MO

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

But only one death. So I would assume the FM doesn't jump every night.

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2016 - 05:14 PM, said:

Or the more complicated version of Tatts healing the right target, only to be jumped into by the FM, and what we see as Ultama' s CF actually belongs/ed to another, and Ultama was the FM's original body.

Thoughts?

MO posted as the thought came to him, free styled it almost. HP verified the logic.
This is the kind of activity firm town players engage in.

Then MO and Ryl and HP all go deep into meta territory. Shoring up the case on Korlat as the new FM, it developed well and I followed the train with a post along the lines of: "hey, this is alot of stuff on meta, I'll vote to see if its getting anywhere."

The next we hear from Ano is shortly after I put Korlat on L2

Anomandaris, on 07 October 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:

I'd like Korlat to check in today before voting.
I would also like to vote for Monok based on his reaction to my little poke

Then he follows up with:

Anomandaris, on 07 October 2016 - 12:45 PM, said:

Now I am leaning back into my Korlat vote, purely on this backtracking what I said makes no sense post. It's the kind of thing I say/do when scum and get caught out in a nonsensical post.

vote Korlat

Putting Korlat on L1.

I have to double take on this. At one point Anomandaris vaguely suggests MO/HP are acting like the FM.

Hold the phone there batman, we've got a call coming in, and it's full of bullshit
Never once have I suggested HP was acting like the FM, I alted him on his first fucking post. It is in fact, the alting of him that pushed him to the bottom of my suspect list, purely meta reasoning, which probably will be ridiculed post game.
I handwaved once ONCE that I thought MO might be the FM, this was a post where I said MO could be our SK/FM. basically I thought he was scummy.
Now korlat is our FM, what does that leave of an SK/FM option, thats right dickhead, SK.
I voted Korlat the second day based on the "oops I messed up that post makes no sense LOLROFL" post, because its a massive tell, if you ever see me doing that I'm scum, go back and look at some of my games where I was a killer, the ammount of posts I bluff off as me being confused is pheonominal, its a blatant scum tell and I nailed him for it. the meta alting part, I hadn't paid it any attention to be honest because I'm USUALLY awful at alting people based on posting styles and I couldnt be fucking arsed checking posting times.
So again, stop fucking misrepresenting me,

This is actually becoming wilful now on your part, twisting anything on offer to try and fit.

then he follows the steam on the Korlat train, pegging MO as scum despite effectively adhering to the logic MO, Ryl and HP have built up.
After Korlat comes on and starts to look shaky against the case presented on him Ano joins the Korlat train, for "backtracking" as he put it.
A bit of a strange statement since Ano effectively called MO scum while voting on the case MO built.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
Seriously? You're basically saying that FM and SK are scum, they are to be treated as one. they are not, they are two individual teams, the FM will want the SK gone and vice versa. if MO is the SK he will aboslutely be gunning to find the FM, to raise his standing with town and remove his opposition. this is such a lbatant bit of bullshitting I can smell it through my laptpo screen.
You fuck

This is ok, Ano may indeed just be sticking to his gut, however:

Anomandaris, on 07 October 2016 - 06:00 PM, said:

Bosh.
One down one to go.

Still like Monok for our sk but will get a reread at some stage during the freeze.
DA FREEZE (in Arnie voice)

Why? he was right? why not re-evaluate??? MOST town players would.

Anomandaris, on 11 October 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

Ok, I'm thinking our SK is Monok, Rhyll or Denesmet.
pretty much gut feeling on all three on a post or comment here or there. But Monok has stuck out the most often to me.

vote Monok Ochem

This is just...wrong.

I'd nearly accuse you of symping MO here, but we don't have one in this game.
how is it wrong, why would I re-evaluate, I thought MO was scum yesterday, I tihnk he's scum today, don't try and peg me into your little fucking playing style, I follow my gut, and my gut pointed in that direction.
so fuck you

Now if the SK is Monok, Rhyll or Denesmet the level of meta play is alot of heavy lifting. I'd sooner assume lazy play than this much effort with an actual coup.
had he made this comment pre FM CF I'd agree, to make it post FM CF?

This ultimately reads as threatened scum trying to drop shade on sharp somewhat obvious town players.

I might be completely wrong about this but its all connected to timing and I usually take note of this on rereads.
Ano may just not have a good read of the game but by all intents and purposes this reasoning to vote MO flies against logical town interests.

VOTE ANOMANDARIS

say's you, I disagree, I don't think he has been pro town, just because he lynched the FM. a serial killer will play town until the FM is gone. why the fuck wouldnt he?

vote stays, but I got my eye on you Silanah
sultanate was an amusing autocorrect on the phone

[Bek Okhan]

I'm back. Looks like there's been a few back and forths here.
Silanah is really on fire with case-making after me prodding them yesterday.
Of course, they are attacking my (and other people's) other significant suspect- Ano. Which makes me unsure if they're genuine or going along with the flow.
To answer Ryl's comment: we are looking for SK. Which is basically a typical solo scum. So vote patterns can be a tell as always. Not a game-tipping one, but they add to the cumulative weight of evidence for and against.
I need to think some more as to which one among Sil and Ano I want to vote right now...

[Silanah]

I'm gonna reply once.

Anomandaris, on 12 October 2016 - 05:56 PM, said:

Silanah, on 12 October 2016 - 04:29 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

fucking hell thats a nasty first phase for us.

I'm tempted to go right back to voting Korlat

This was Anos first post in a while, response to the Day 1 lynch. Whats odd is his use of hyperbole when it really wasn't as bad as it could be.
purposeful panic mongering IMO. Denesmet echoes this and feels strongly enough to lay down a vote.

Wasn't as bad as it could have been? we lost 2 roled town phase 1, how in under fuck could it have been worse?

we could have lost three.

Denesmet, on 06 October 2016 - 09:21 PM, said:

Alexandria, on 06 October 2016 - 06:58 PM, said:

fucking hell thats a nasty first phase for us.

I'm tempted to go right back to voting Korlat

I recognize that I posted something similar, but this is a little too "golly-gee-willikers" for my taste.


Vote Anomandaris

Anomandaris doesn't respond directly to this vote and instead:

whats to respond to, he doesn't like my post, I accept that, I vote for people based on one post all the time, see my L-1 korlat, that was swung entirely by one fucking sentence, which I was right about by the by.

Your method in other games is irrelevant to me if I have not alted you. why bring it up? ignoring it still comes across as odd. I would challenge grounds for the vote or atleast comment on it. Instead you raise smoke as below. Scum 101

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2016 - 10:28 PM, said:

On my phone. Was just about to fall asleep.
Who was it today that started the speculation on the ultama/tatts/korlat?
Iirc there was a post where they suggested that our healer healed the so target and the fm jumped our healer.

This has to be bullshit, that person is our sk or fm

In hindsight a bad read of decent play. At the time of course speculation on the ultama/tatts/korlat was pretty easy to interpret as wifomism.
good meta play often is. there lies the risk. Calling it outright bullshit was lazy and a few players pinged on that point.

Taking it up a notch was stating this person has to be our SK or FM. Now this wasn't hard to look into even if you're playing on the phone. The post in question was by HP:

Stop misrepresenting me. You lazy Fuck wit
A decent play? it was a crapshoot that was fired before Korlat had even posted, there is no way yuou can class that as agood play, except to tip Korlat that people think he's the FM, thus making him try harder to hide. or on the other hand, it was an SK that dropped a kill due to a heal and he thus knew that Ultamas fate was an FM jump. Either way it provided possible information for the FM to use before they had posted to incriminate themselves (luckily for us they got lynched anyway)


The "crapshoot" garnered the rest of the groups attention leading to the lynch train you happily hopped onto. classing good play is hardly something I'd trust you to judge. Assuming it served to tip Korlat that people think he's FM trying harder to hide is not logical. Instead logic says you confront and misdirect. you bluster about misrepresentation and call arguments you hadn't touched on prior at the time they were raised "bullshit".

It wasn't lucky the FM got lynched, FM tried to hide and got flushed out from the pressure. Some similarities come to mind.

Hood, on 06 October 2016 - 05:58 PM, said:

From the 101:

Faceless Man (aka FM)
1. a role that allows alt jumping. In essence, the Faceless Man targets another alt. At the end of a designated period of time (sometimes the end of the phase, sometimes after a full day and night cycle), the players switch game alts. After that, the player who now plays from the FM's former alt is removed from the game. Sometimes, the password of the game alt is changed to avoid fuck-ups.

This leads me to agree with the growing consensus that the FM started as Ultama and hopped to Tatt's alt.

Now, from yesterday's play, who matches both Tatt's usual times and play-style? No one said anything to set themselves up for an auto-lynch yesterday so at least he didn't suicide again.

But HP built this off speculation from MO

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2016 - 05:12 PM, said:

But only one death. So I would assume the FM doesn't jump every night.

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2016 - 05:14 PM, said:

Or the more complicated version of Tatts healing the right target, only to be jumped into by the FM, and what we see as Ultama' s CF actually belongs/ed to another, and Ultama was the FM's original body.

Thoughts?

MO posted as the thought came to him, free styled it almost. HP verified the logic.
This is the kind of activity firm town players engage in.

Then MO and Ryl and HP all go deep into meta territory. Shoring up the case on Korlat as the new FM, it developed well and I followed the train with a post along the lines of: "hey, this is alot of stuff on meta, I'll vote to see if its getting anywhere."

The next we hear from Ano is shortly after I put Korlat on L2

Anomandaris, on 07 October 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:

I'd like Korlat to check in today before voting.
I would also like to vote for Monok based on his reaction to my little poke

Then he follows up with:

Anomandaris, on 07 October 2016 - 12:45 PM, said:

Now I am leaning back into my Korlat vote, purely on this backtracking what I said makes no sense post. It's the kind of thing I say/do when scum and get caught out in a nonsensical post.

vote Korlat

Putting Korlat on L1.

I have to double take on this. At one point Anomandaris vaguely suggests MO/HP are acting like the FM.

Hold the phone there batman, we've got a call coming in, and it's full of bullshit
Never once have I suggested HP was acting like the FM,

the sentence above uses a backstroke. as vague as your statement was I simply lumped together the two people touching on the Ultama/Tatts/Korlat connection at that point of the game. maybe next time scroll up and pick a name?


I alted him on his first fucking post. It is in fact, the alting of him that pushed him to the bottom of my suspect list, purely meta reasoning, which probably will be ridiculed post game.
I handwaved once ONCE that I thought MO might be the FM, this was a post where I said MO could be our SK/FM. basically I thought he was scummy.
Now korlat is our FM, what does that leave of an SK/FM option, thats right dickhead, SK.

I don't remember asking this question. Explaining who you alted or what your handwaved reference adds up to post FM CF doesn't add anything to anything? Also why do people use the term dickhead as an insult? Is Dick still a naughty word? I thought we were grown ups.


I voted Korlat the second day based on the "oops I messed up that post makes no sense LOLROFL" post, because its a massive tell, if you ever see me doing that I'm scum, go back and look at some of my games where I was a killer, the ammount of posts I bluff off as me being confused is pheonominal, its a blatant scum tell and I nailed him for it. the meta alting part, I hadn't paid it any attention to be honest because I'm USUALLY awful at alting people based on posting styles and I couldnt be fucking arsed checking posting times.
So again, stop fucking misrepresenting me,

Again, I don't know you in an alted game so self referencing makes no sense.


This is actually becoming wilful now on your part, twisting anything on offer to try and fit.

Now here I can really respectfully respond with a question. You make a big deal about the result Day 1. In your books town was in serious trouble. Irrespective of being the second last on the Lynch train, in all the content DAY 2, over all the actual discussion on thread, Korlats "mistake" to team pressure was the only thing you saw fit to vote on? You saw nothing else of worth on thread? as a Town player nothing else stood out for you?

This is a team game and you're playing with blinkers on. Please don't be surprised when we, the team, want you off the field.


then he follows the steam on the Korlat train, pegging MO as scum despite effectively adhering to the logic MO, Ryl and HP have built up.
After Korlat comes on and starts to look shaky against the case presented on him Ano joins the Korlat train, for "backtracking" as he put it.
A bit of a strange statement since Ano effectively called MO scum while voting on the case MO built.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
Seriously? You're basically saying that FM and SK are scum, they are to be treated as one. they are not, they are two individual teams, the FM will want the SK gone and vice versa. if MO is the SK he will aboslutely be gunning to find the FM, to raise his standing with town and remove his opposition. this is such a lbatant bit of bullshitting I can smell it through my laptpo screen.
You fuck


Oh this misrepresentation thing hurts. I empathize.
The fuck is this shit is I am actually saying, "hey you called this guy scum, why are you trusting him to lead you to scum?" bit of a strange when read with town-vision yes?

This is ok, Ano may indeed just be sticking to his gut, however:

Anomandaris, on 07 October 2016 - 06:00 PM, said:

Bosh.
One down one to go.

Still like Monok for our sk but will get a reread at some stage during the freeze.
DA FREEZE (in Arnie voice)

Why? he was right? why not re-evaluate??? MOST town players would.

Anomandaris, on 11 October 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

Ok, I'm thinking our SK is Monok, Rhyll or Denesmet.
pretty much gut feeling on all three on a post or comment here or there. But Monok has stuck out the most often to me.

vote Monok Ochem

This is just...wrong.

I'd nearly accuse you of symping MO here, but we don't have one in this game.
how is it wrong, why would I re-evaluate, I thought MO was scum yesterday, I tihnk he's scum today, don't try and peg me into your little fucking playing style, I follow my gut, and my gut pointed in that direction.
so fuck you

You're playing from a slippery play book. You ask that I don't peg you into my playing style whilst your main argument against Korlat is "If I was scum this would be my playing style". That's a Double standard.

Re-evaluation is the way uncertain players play. Re-evaluation is reconsideration in the face of risk you might lynch a team-mate.

Playing solely on your gut implies you don't care about your team. There's only one player role left in the game with that luxury.

Now if the SK is Monok, Rhyll or Denesmet the level of meta play is alot of heavy lifting. I'd sooner assume lazy play than this much effort with an actual coup.
had he made this comment pre FM CF I'd agree, to make it post FM CF?

This ultimately reads as threatened scum trying to drop shade on sharp somewhat obvious town players.

I might be completely wrong about this but its all connected to timing and I usually take note of this on rereads.
Ano may just not have a good read of the game but by all intents and purposes this reasoning to vote MO flies against logical town interests.

VOTE ANOMANDARIS

say's you, I disagree, I don't think he has been pro town, just because he lynched the FM. a serial killer will play town until the FM is gone. why the fuck wouldnt he?

vote stays, but I got my eye on you Silanah
sultanate was an amusing autocorrect on the phone

Your opinion is an SK will indeed play town.
My opinion? An SK will play an SK playing town.

The difference is involvement.

Your case on MO has been water thin to me thus far, but you have been adamant about it. You've said you trust your gut but how does that help our cause?

If you trust your gut so much why not help the rest of us see that? why not invest time on it and risk that if you're wrong you pay a price?
To me an SK will play the game because they want to win, so cases will be made. The SK, however, will not delve so deep into a case that should that case CF inno, the case blows back onto them. That's what I read in your play.

This post was angled to help Town.

Yours served only to turn blame and deflect.

That's all I have to say.

[Silanah]

EDIT: Blue included.

Silanah, on 12 October 2016 - 07:24 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 12 October 2016 - 05:56 PM, said:

I voted Korlat the second day based on the "oops I messed up that post makes no sense LOLROFL" post, because its a massive tell, if you ever see me doing that I'm scum, go back and look at some of my games where I was a killer, the ammount of posts I bluff off as me being confused is pheonominal, its a blatant scum tell and I nailed him for it. the meta alting part, I hadn't paid it any attention to be honest because I'm USUALLY awful at alting people based on posting styles and I couldnt be fucking arsed checking posting times.
So again, stop fucking misrepresenting me,

Again,I don't know you in an alted game so self referencing makes no sense.

[Denesmet]

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. We are not in a position to lose with the loss of one townie. Were I the accused with 2 votes on me I would simply declare my innocence and say "you'll be sorry." My expulsion from the game (at this point) would not result in a scum win and the town would go on. The vehemence of Anomandaris' posts suggests (to me) that with his death the town is more likely to win.

If I'm wrong I'll apologise. If right, I'll chalk it up to dumb luck and eschew all accolades and laurels, up to and including being carried in triumph off the field on the town's shoulders.


Vote stands.

[Bek Okhan]

Oh, God, not the rainbow quotes,
I'm not interested in getting into a philosophical debate, but (imho), you're reaching at points in your case, Sil. The point about "not being worried about lynching town" in particular- I'm sorry, what? This is a team game, yes- that means no matter if individual player lives or dies, they still win and lose with the team. There's more town than scum, so obviously town are gonna lynch town. Now, this might act as a deterrent for pushing cases in some situations- when power roles can b hit, for example. But it makes absolutely no sense in our scenario, with healer, vig, and guard already dead and the set up being (presumably) 6 RIs v scum. In this scenario, we pick who we think is the most suspicious and we make a case to convince others. Even if my most top suspect turns out town, why shoud I, as town, feel bad? I narrowed the suspect pool, so that the team has a better shot at getting it right.
So, these accusations of "recklessness' you are throwing at Ando... they stink of trying too hard.
vote Silanah
I'm not seeing your points about Ando being inconsistent with his treatment of Monok, either.

[Bek Okhan]

Huh, funny how we're drawing diametrically opposite conclusions, Den

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 5 hours and 10 minutes remaining

7 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Bek Okhan, Denesmet, Hood's Path, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras, Silanah

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Monok Ochem ( Anomandaris )
1 Vote for Silanah ( Bek Okhan )
2 Votes for Anomandaris ( Denesmet, Silanah )

Players not voted: Hood's Path, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras

[Denesmet]

That's exactly why i am letting my Anomandaris vote stand. He is not replying like a townie who recognises that there is a tomorrow.

[Bek Okhan]

Ano is responding (imo) like someone who sees a BS case being made against them. I've been there (on both ends), so I'm not surprised.
I tried reading his reply post (the one with just the red quotes) and, swears and vitriol aside, only part I disagree with him on was the bit about MO's conjecture being a crapshoot. If half the thread alted Korlat as Tatts on Day 1 in an FM game, and his CF gets brought up, that's to be expected- FM games are meta-heavy by design. So I can see the inconsistency and over-reacting there (which is one of the reasons Ano is my no 2 right now).
But beyond that, I agree with him more than I do with Sil. So I'd prefer to lynch Sil first.
Of course, if the SK is neither of them, but one of the low posters, we're effectively doomed,

[Silanah]

Bek Okhan, on 12 October 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:

Oh, God, not the rainbow quotes,
I'm not interested in getting into a philosophical debate, but (imho), you're reaching at points in your case, Sil. The point about "not being worried about lynching town" in particular- I'm sorry, what? This is a team game, yes- that means no matter if individual player lives or dies, they still win and lose with the team. There's more town than scum, so obviously town are gonna lynch town. Now, this might act as a deterrent for pushing cases in some situations- when power roles can b hit, for example. But it makes absolutely no sense in our scenario, with healer, vig, and guard already dead and the set up being (presumably) 6 RIs v scum. In this scenario, we pick who we think is the most suspicious and we make a case to convince others. Even if my most top suspect turns out town, why shoud I, as town, feel bad? I narrowed the suspect pool, so that the team has a better shot at getting it right.
So, these accusations of "recklessness' you are throwing at Ando... they stink of trying too hard.
vote Silanah
I'm not seeing your points about Ando being inconsistent with his treatment of Monok, either.

Bek, you misunderstand my meaning.

recklessness in a game is expected to a certain extent. I think yes, there's no point in being prissy about making a vote.

Voting town is bad for town though. It's good town practice to evaluate developments and atleast try make the the right choice after the new information received days end. That's what I expect of Ano. If you thought someone was RI and someone you thought they connected with unusually CFs scum you re-evaluate your opinion of them yes? in this case Monok may arguably have looked scummy Day 1 but Day 2? far less so, the activity was decent town wise and since I get helpful from his content. He isn't above voting for, I'm just more interested in who keeps harping his case more.

Ano keeps the focus on this one particular player without a reconsideration of developments in the game.

Ontop of that there's nothing more on MO from Ano Day 3 and I find that completely at odds with someone as certain as he seems to be.

I don't mind if it looks like I'm trying too hard but what would that gain me as SK? helping MO? no symp. helping myself? I'm happily digging my grave should I be wrong. I'm not prissy and absolutely 0 pressure on me till I decided to act on what I think is an actual case. So yeah I don't see where I make sense as an SK but that's your cross to bear.

BTW My argument is not on Ando being inconsistent. it's that it's too consistent. I'm not sure you misread me or are doing that on purpose.

[Bek Okhan]

Ok, first of all, I gotta call you out on the no pressure: I mentioned you as a suspect yesterday. And you perked up and made the Ano case.
Yes, i'm aware, RL, health issues, etc. But from where I'm standing, the 2 are still temporarily connected. So no, you didn't "have any pressure".
Secondly, re: Monok. You are talking about "re-evaluating" from Day 2 to Day 3, yes? Day 1 was basically a write-off, info wise, except for the 2 CFs. In terms of Ano's evaluation of Monok as SK: I happen to agree with him, as to how SK would play against the FM. So I'm not giving MO a pass because he found the FM- everyone wanted FM gone- SK possibly more than anyone else (if he wasn't jump proof). As town, I have no way of second guessing anyone's motivation against the FM, so I agree with Ando that you're harping too much on that (see what I meant about this being a philosophical discussion).
I'm much more interested in Ano's callous fixation on Korlat from the get go. But that's not something you've addressed. Instead you are taking things I happen to agree with Ano on and blowing them out of proportion to paint him as scum. I don't know why you'd go through such lengths to do that, but then we go back to the fact that I DID call you out for not saying much before (something you conveniently brush off as "I've had no pressure on me untill I started posting") . So you can see where I'm coming from (I hope)