Mezla PigDog, on 23 November 2016 - 07:14 PM, said:
Loki, on 23 November 2016 - 06:44 PM, said:
Mezla PigDog, on 23 November 2016 - 06:37 PM, said:
He's an absolute sweetheart in real life. A cantankerous one but a sweetheart nonetheless. I'm only posting this really to explain myself for being nice to him in threads as it's a bit hypocritical when I usually call others out. I'm not defending him because he's being a prize plum when he graces us with his presence here. I don't even know what Apt is supposed to have done.
It's hard to believe that he is a sweetheart in real life when he acts like the total opposite every time he pops back on here.
It reminds me of my aunt when she used to defend her husband - He's actually really lovely (in response to her husband making a thoroughly racist joke). The two things just don't really go together.
I guess the evidence you have to consider is that he and Hetan used to host BBQs which a lot of forum members went to repeatedly. So if he was the dick that is evidenced recently then either we were all stupid/have low standards or he is a nice guy (in the special sense that Mal is "nice"). I won't blame you for thinking we all have low standards now!
Argh it really does sound like I'm defending him and on the evidence here I'm really really not. He knows he's being a git. I guess he's just a special little flower with a bee in his bonnet and some time to kill so he comes here to show us a good time!
I believe you. Their B&B in BC has some positive reviews saying that Bill was very nice, too. I guess he's just really different online than in-person (or at least when not going to bars with a knife in-person).
QuickTidal, on 23 November 2016 - 08:30 PM, said:
Is Steve really upset with how the forum is going? If so, why do we get that info by proxy through a (to me) unreliable source? And why tell us? To try to shame us into behaving differently? I don't get it at all.
Who knows. SE has had a decade and a half to try and directly engage with us, and other than the first few years has basically always done it "via proxy", and even then very little. The few times he has commented on an actual forum activity (as opposed to just posting a general thoughts/essay or christmas card unconnected to anything in particular) he's been woefully misinformed about what actually happened, too, as if he didn't actually read the threads-in-question.
If Steve is really "upset" with how the forum is going... well A} it's a bit of an odd sentiment since he hasn't seemed to ever really care about it much before, and B} how does he think any other forum is going to be any better, since he evidently has no interest in engaging with it the way, say, Sanderson does. Does he think some other Malazan forum is going to somehow be *more* polite? Or is it that he dreams of a forum where you have to have a PhD in classical studies to be admitted so its a constant fount of critical discourse?
Personally, I doubt any of the above. Probably Mal mentioned his past spat with the forum and Steve, who hasn't thought of the forum once since the end of TCG, went "oh, those folks. Well if you say they were assholes they must be assholes, Bill. How very upsetting for you." and then he stopped caring about the forum once again.
TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 23 November 2016 - 08:42 PM, said:
I admit it. I'm still not sure what the hell I just read xD mind you, I expect there were bits removed. Am I missing what SE should have been unhappy about (presuming he was)?
Actually, very little of the first ~20 posts had to be touched by the mods, IIRC. What you see there is indeed exactly what the issue was about. Overall quite civil discourse about TtH vs Ulysses, and everyone is doing just fine in the "I disagree, but we're all entitled to our opinions" vein. Then someone calmly points out LoT is stereotyping the Irish and he starts throwing a tantrum of sarcastic counter-history, spouting idiotic phrases like << back on thread. none of you seem to see the signifigance of whats staring you in the face? why did SE use an ox pov? >> and << i'll put my intellectual cock away >> at which point things devolved into a more heated argument (which was pruned).
Somehow SE only decided to read (or more likely didn't even read) the first post in the thread and then the later upset stuff, turning it in his head into the rather twisted "the whole forum ganged up on this poor soul who was just politely expressing an opinion of liking both TtH and Ulysses, mercilessly raging at him for having the gall to innocently enjoy my book"... rather than more accurate "this guy really liked TtH and Ulysses, everyone was fine with it, then he was a racist and confrontational ass and people didn't like that part".
Pretty disappointing of a reaction from the author whom we would otherwise think from his books that he wouldn't so easily jump to conclusions.
HoosierDaddy, on 23 November 2016 - 09:31 PM, said:
Deductive logic: He shat on Hetan?
I don't think it's
that kind of B&B.
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