[Lock]

I think we should have gotten rid of Grasp before we got in this situation but who could know with the Eloth modkill

[Lock]

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 06:56 AM, said:

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 06:50 AM, said:

A lynch is probably not happening today and I'm okay with that. I really don't like the Karosis's what would scum think post, that seems like too much to presume.

I'll also note that Denesmet the N1 victim was aside from being one of dropped names also Ment

Really? Think about it. You get a Role PM that says you're a killer or a symp but doesn't name another killer. What would your thought processes be? Genuinely curious as to what you'd make of the setup from the start of the game.

Yeah two killers with common symp linking them would be probably my first thought but I wouldn't rely on that because there are other options and with the twists that the mods presented this game figuring out setup becomes even more tricky. I dislike mainly the presumptions of their behaviour based on the their presumed thoughts.

[Karosis]

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 07:06 AM, said:

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 06:56 AM, said:

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 06:50 AM, said:

A lynch is probably not happening today and I'm okay with that. I really don't like the Karosis's what would scum think post, that seems like too much to presume.

I'll also note that Denesmet the N1 victim was aside from being one of dropped names also Ment

Really? Think about it. You get a Role PM that says you're a killer or a symp but doesn't name another killer. What would your thought processes be? Genuinely curious as to what you'd make of the setup from the start of the game.

Yeah two killers with common symp linking them would be probably my first thought but I wouldn't rely on that because there are other options and with the twists that the mods presented this game figuring out setup becomes even more tricky. I dislike mainly the presumptions of their behaviour based on the their presumed thoughts.

But we didn't know there were twists till the voting shenanigans/modpuppet withdrawal/SK CF.

So unless you're suggesting that scum would have had some way to know this wasn't straight M&P from game start then we all started from the same playing field - assuming that we had killers, symp(s) and 1 or 2 of Guard/Finder/Healer. Given that, I believe my assumptions are reasonable. If you disagree then please explain your reasoning.

[Lock]

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 09:38 AM, said:

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 07:06 AM, said:

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 06:56 AM, said:

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 06:50 AM, said:

A lynch is probably not happening today and I'm okay with that. I really don't like the Karosis's what would scum think post, that seems like too much to presume.

I'll also note that Denesmet the N1 victim was aside from being one of dropped names also Ment

Really? Think about it. You get a Role PM that says you're a killer or a symp but doesn't name another killer. What would your thought processes be? Genuinely curious as to what you'd make of the setup from the start of the game.

Yeah two killers with common symp linking them would be probably my first thought but I wouldn't rely on that because there are other options and with the twists that the mods presented this game figuring out setup becomes even more tricky. I dislike mainly the presumptions of their behaviour based on the their presumed thoughts.

But we didn't know there were twists till the voting shenanigans/modpuppet withdrawal/SK CF.

So unless you're suggesting that scum would have had some way to know this wasn't straight M&P from game start then we all started from the same playing field - assuming that we had killers, symp(s) and 1 or 2 of Guard/Finder/Healer. Given that, I believe my assumptions are reasonable. If you disagree then please explain your reasoning.

Allright the modpuppet stuff basically happened during N1 and SK during N2, this gives you D1 and partially D2 depending on how much you wanna count that. I still wouldn't rely on my guess of game setup and I would certainly not bother with any signal acknowledgements You said killer probably didn't know about sk from role PM which I agree with, but that doesn't mean they couldn't think it's existence a possiblity.


Btw this seems to resemble the signals acknowledging you were talking about, doesn't it?

Karosis, on 10 August 2016 - 08:45 AM, said:

Lock, on 10 August 2016 - 06:16 AM, said:

High fi( r )st Lock reporting for duty!

Edit: spaces in the brackets

Skintick, on 10 August 2016 - 06:31 AM, said:

Second-in-command

Suspicious Bastard of the 5th checking in

Karosis, on 10 August 2016 - 08:46 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 10 August 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:

In the words of He-Man,

"I have the Power!"

Vote Lock

What are you doing? Fener is in game and you're voting for someone not-Fener?

Vote Monok

[Lock]

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 06:06 AM, said:

We have what I see is a very specific description of roles from PS - unexpected but I'm not going to complain.

So I'm going to run through what I think would be the thoughts of the scum in game.

1 killer, 1 symp.

Starting with the killer, they know they don't have a lover, likely don't know there is an SK from their role PM. So you're in a game with 14 alts and you think you're a lone killer? Logical conclusion from there is that there is another killer out there unknown to you. You can be pretty sure of a symp and would figure that the symp knows both of you. You hope the symp signals you because you need them to let you know who the other killer is if they can. You're looking for signals and try to acknowledge what you think are signals. This leads to an alt that is fairly chatty on thread in order to provide cover for signals. The alt either quotes or answers maybe a few times a subset of alts looking for something. This alt should be reasonably easy to spot given D1 and D2 had a lot more alts so we're only looking at the survivors acknowledging potential signals.


Next up the symp. Symp gets told the name of one alt who is their killer. Symp runs the numbers and concludes that there must be two killers, each with their own symp. 4 scum means more town roles so the symp is either going to not bother signalling because more roles = more chance of a sharp Guard or Finder who picks up on a signal or is going to go subtle.


Both these mindsets are likely present in game until the SK CF. I'm a little strapped for time but I think dividends can be made by looking at D1/D2 with the thought firmly in the front of our minds that the lone killer is looking out for another killer and for signals from their symp.

The lonely killer would be just as surprised as RIs to see SK CF if he was thinking what you described

[Lock]

Too much wifom

[Ultama]

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 11:20 AM, said:

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 09:38 AM, said:

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 07:06 AM, said:

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 06:56 AM, said:

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 06:50 AM, said:

A lynch is probably not happening today and I'm okay with that. I really don't like the Karosis's what would scum think post, that seems like too much to presume.

I'll also note that Denesmet the N1 victim was aside from being one of dropped names also Ment

Really? Think about it. You get a Role PM that says you're a killer or a symp but doesn't name another killer. What would your thought processes be? Genuinely curious as to what you'd make of the setup from the start of the game.

Yeah two killers with common symp linking them would be probably my first thought but I wouldn't rely on that because there are other options and with the twists that the mods presented this game figuring out setup becomes even more tricky. I dislike mainly the presumptions of their behaviour based on the their presumed thoughts.

But we didn't know there were twists till the voting shenanigans/modpuppet withdrawal/SK CF.

So unless you're suggesting that scum would have had some way to know this wasn't straight M&P from game start then we all started from the same playing field - assuming that we had killers, symp(s) and 1 or 2 of Guard/Finder/Healer. Given that, I believe my assumptions are reasonable. If you disagree then please explain your reasoning.

Allright the modpuppet stuff basically happened during N1 and SK during N2, this gives you D1 and partially D2 depending on how much you wanna count that. I still wouldn't rely on my guess of game setup and I would certainly not bother with any signal acknowledgements You said killer probably didn't know about sk from role PM which I agree with, but that doesn't mean they couldn't think it's existence a possiblity.


Btw this seems to resemble the signals acknowledging you were talking about, doesn't it?

Karosis, on 10 August 2016 - 08:45 AM, said:

Lock, on 10 August 2016 - 06:16 AM, said:

High fi( r )st Lock reporting for duty!

Edit: spaces in the brackets

Skintick, on 10 August 2016 - 06:31 AM, said:

Second-in-command

Suspicious Bastard of the 5th checking in

Karosis, on 10 August 2016 - 08:46 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 10 August 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:

In the words of He-Man,

"I have the Power!"

Vote Lock

What are you doing? Fener is in game and you're voting for someone not-Fener?

Vote Monok

If the symp links the two killers, you just damned yourself...

I am not sure how much we can rely on all this because we are assuming the symp was signalling, the killer(s) were actively seeking, and that the symp succeeded/is still alive/etc.

By the way, I have been puzzling over it, but what is the difference between a lone killer and a serial killer? Is it the symp?

[Path-Shaper]

There is no lynch at end of day 3.

It is now night.

The killer strikes again, his prey taken by surprise. When the body is found at last, he is revealed to be Lock.

Lock was It Was Nom and R.I.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 35 hours and 59 minutes remaining

5 Players still alive: Bendal Home, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Ultama

3 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Bendal Home, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Ultama

[Lock]

Ultama, on 17 August 2016 - 01:18 PM, said:

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 11:20 AM, said:

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 09:38 AM, said:

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 07:06 AM, said:

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 06:56 AM, said:

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 06:50 AM, said:

A lynch is probably not happening today and I'm okay with that. I really don't like the Karosis's what would scum think post, that seems like too much to presume.

I'll also note that Denesmet the N1 victim was aside from being one of dropped names also Ment

Really? Think about it. You get a Role PM that says you're a killer or a symp but doesn't name another killer. What would your thought processes be? Genuinely curious as to what you'd make of the setup from the start of the game.

Yeah two killers with common symp linking them would be probably my first thought but I wouldn't rely on that because there are other options and with the twists that the mods presented this game figuring out setup becomes even more tricky. I dislike mainly the presumptions of their behaviour based on the their presumed thoughts.

But we didn't know there were twists till the voting shenanigans/modpuppet withdrawal/SK CF.

So unless you're suggesting that scum would have had some way to know this wasn't straight M&P from game start then we all started from the same playing field - assuming that we had killers, symp(s) and 1 or 2 of Guard/Finder/Healer. Given that, I believe my assumptions are reasonable. If you disagree then please explain your reasoning.

Allright the modpuppet stuff basically happened during N1 and SK during N2, this gives you D1 and partially D2 depending on how much you wanna count that. I still wouldn't rely on my guess of game setup and I would certainly not bother with any signal acknowledgements You said killer probably didn't know about sk from role PM which I agree with, but that doesn't mean they couldn't think it's existence a possiblity.


Btw this seems to resemble the signals acknowledging you were talking about, doesn't it?

Karosis, on 10 August 2016 - 08:45 AM, said:

Lock, on 10 August 2016 - 06:16 AM, said:

High fi( r )st Lock reporting for duty!

Edit: spaces in the brackets

Skintick, on 10 August 2016 - 06:31 AM, said:

Second-in-command

Suspicious Bastard of the 5th checking in

Karosis, on 10 August 2016 - 08:46 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 10 August 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:

In the words of He-Man,

"I have the Power!"

Vote Lock

What are you doing? Fener is in game and you're voting for someone not-Fener?

Vote Monok

If the symp links the two killers, you just damned yourself...

What do you mean by that?

Ultama, on 17 August 2016 - 01:18 PM, said:

I am not sure how much we can rely on all this because we are assuming the symp was signalling, the killer(s) were actively seeking, and that the symp succeeded/is still alive/etc.

By the way, I have been puzzling over it, but what is the difference between a lone killer and a serial killer? Is it the symp?

Yeah that's my problem, except nothing is expected from symp

I'd expect sk to have BP

[Grasp]

Nooooo!!! Lock was my VPI! Ah well... That means killer is among the rest of you lot...

I've no read on most of you. I believe that Gait and that Karosis are most likely RI - but where has Bendal Home even been? Ultama I have no real read on either.

[Bendal Home]

Grasp, on 17 August 2016 - 02:32 PM, said:

Nooooo!!! Lock was my VPI! Ah well... That means killer is among the rest of you lot...

I've no read on most of you. I believe that Gait and that Karosis are most likely RI - but where has Bendal Home even been? Ultama I have no real read on either.

Contrived feelings of sadness.


Tatt's actions at the beginning of the game coupled with the mod kills have thrown me out of my game zone. So I have found some better things to due until I feel the call to come back and give a shit. From a quick read up I feel that Ultama is attempting to lead the thread and would be my choice for scum. However I can not put together a sold reason for that conclusion. Just a feeling reading over his posts that he is setting up and driving suspects.

I have a minor feeling on the layout of the game. I was not expecting a SK to be in this game and the addition of one indicates that it is not a tmdi 1-2 game. But if I had created this game and tossed in both a guard and a healer and included a SK and a killer. One thing that I noticed is that other then the night that Skin and Serc were killed there was no other 2 kill night. Which leads me to believe that either the healer got lucky the first night. Or the second killer had a delayed component to it. I am discounting the second one because adding something like that will automatically drive up tmdi and make it harder for town to win even with multiple town roles.

So if we look at it from the perspective that the game started out with town roles of a healer and a guard and then a SK and a separate killer and perhaps symp. That would be somewhat a balanced game. Then we are left with the conclusion that this game has boiled down to town having no roles and there being WCS a killer and symp. Now if you consider tatts "brilliant move" a way for a symp to out all of the roled town players (which it looks like he did) then you could conclude that he was the symp. Of course that would not be playing in the WCS so I will leave that be.

Most likely there is a killer and I am going to assume a symp. Town has no roles and there is very little remaining information to go off of. Other then the silanah lynch.

Path-Shaper, on 15 August 2016 - 09:36 PM, said:

It's a lynch!
10 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Fener, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Lock, Serc, silanah, Skintick, Ultama

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

6 Votes for silanah ( Ultama, Serc, gait, Grasp, Lock, Karosis )
2 Votes for Grasp ( Skintick, silanah )

Players not voted: Bendal Home, Fener


The town gathered around the old tree to witness the hanging of the old dragon Silanah. A worried quiet overtook them as they realized they had again strung up one of their own. Silanah was Andorion and R.I.

Hmmm I feel that Gait is more likely to be town. Karosis could be a well playing scum or town. Gasp could be a symp or town and Ultama I have a very uneasy feeling about.

That is where I stand.

[Bendal Home]

On the WCS chance that there is still a symp left alive I would ask that people refrain from voting until everyone has posted at least some thoughts.

[Bendal Home]

Path-Shaper, on 11 August 2016 - 04:51 PM, said:

IT IS A LYNCH!
It is Day 1. 2 hours and 10 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Denesmet, Eloth, Fener, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Liosan, Lock, Monok Ochem, Serc, silanah, Skintick, Ultama

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Eloth ( Monok Ochem, Grasp )
9 Votes for Monok Ochem ( Karosis, Fener, Bendal Home, Serc, Monok, Denesmet, Liosan, Ultama, Lock)

Players not voted: Eloth, gait, silanah, Skintick, Ultama

The town gathered around the old tree in the sqare to watch as the ape Monok Ochem hung from one of it's branches. A hush fell across the crowd as they realized he was one of their own. Monok Ochem was Tattersail and RI.

Looking at the Silanah lynch made me go back and look at the Monok lynch.

Left alive and having voted for lynching Tatts

Karosis, Bendal

Voted for Eloth
Gasp

Not voted

Gait and Ultima

This makes me a little bit more comfortable moving Karosis closer to the town side. Scum should have been perfectly happy to let Tatts drag on as long as possible but Karosis was the first to vote for him.

[Ultama]

Bendal Home, on 17 August 2016 - 04:12 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 11 August 2016 - 04:51 PM, said:

IT IS A LYNCH!
It is Day 1. 2 hours and 10 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Denesmet, Eloth, Fener, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Liosan, Lock, Monok Ochem, Serc, silanah, Skintick, Ultama

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Eloth ( Monok Ochem, Grasp )
9 Votes for Monok Ochem ( Karosis, Fener, Bendal Home, Serc, Monok, Denesmet, Liosan, Ultama, Lock)

Players not voted: Eloth, gait, silanah, Skintick, Ultama

The town gathered around the old tree in the sqare to watch as the ape Monok Ochem hung from one of it's branches. A hush fell across the crowd as they realized he was one of their own. Monok Ochem was Tattersail and RI.

Looking at the Silanah lynch made me go back and look at the Monok lynch.

Left alive and having voted for lynching Tatts

Karosis, Bendal

Voted for Eloth
Gasp

Not voted

Gait and Ultima

This makes me a little bit more comfortable moving Karosis closer to the town side. Scum should have been perfectly happy to let Tatts drag on as long as possible but Karosis was the first to vote for him.

PS mistake. I had voted but was left in the unvote line

[Ultama]

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 01:40 PM, said:

Ultama, on 17 August 2016 - 01:18 PM, said:

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 11:20 AM, said:

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 09:38 AM, said:

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 07:06 AM, said:

Karosis, on 17 August 2016 - 06:56 AM, said:

Lock, on 17 August 2016 - 06:50 AM, said:

A lynch is probably not happening today and I'm okay with that. I really don't like the Karosis's what would scum think post, that seems like too much to presume.

I'll also note that Denesmet the N1 victim was aside from being one of dropped names also Ment

Really? Think about it. You get a Role PM that says you're a killer or a symp but doesn't name another killer. What would your thought processes be? Genuinely curious as to what you'd make of the setup from the start of the game.

Yeah two killers with common symp linking them would be probably my first thought but I wouldn't rely on that because there are other options and with the twists that the mods presented this game figuring out setup becomes even more tricky. I dislike mainly the presumptions of their behaviour based on the their presumed thoughts.

But we didn't know there were twists till the voting shenanigans/modpuppet withdrawal/SK CF.

So unless you're suggesting that scum would have had some way to know this wasn't straight M&P from game start then we all started from the same playing field - assuming that we had killers, symp(s) and 1 or 2 of Guard/Finder/Healer. Given that, I believe my assumptions are reasonable. If you disagree then please explain your reasoning.

Allright the modpuppet stuff basically happened during N1 and SK during N2, this gives you D1 and partially D2 depending on how much you wanna count that. I still wouldn't rely on my guess of game setup and I would certainly not bother with any signal acknowledgements You said killer probably didn't know about sk from role PM which I agree with, but that doesn't mean they couldn't think it's existence a possiblity.


Btw this seems to resemble the signals acknowledging you were talking about, doesn't it?

Karosis, on 10 August 2016 - 08:45 AM, said:

Lock, on 10 August 2016 - 06:16 AM, said:

High fi( r )st Lock reporting for duty!

Edit: spaces in the brackets

Skintick, on 10 August 2016 - 06:31 AM, said:

Second-in-command

Suspicious Bastard of the 5th checking in

Karosis, on 10 August 2016 - 08:46 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 10 August 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:

In the words of He-Man,

"I have the Power!"

Vote Lock

What are you doing? Fener is in game and you're voting for someone not-Fener?

Vote Monok

If the symp links the two killers, you just damned yourself...

What do you mean by that?

Ultama, on 17 August 2016 - 01:18 PM, said:

I am not sure how much we can rely on all this because we are assuming the symp was signalling, the killer(s) were actively seeking, and that the symp succeeded/is still alive/etc.

By the way, I have been puzzling over it, but what is the difference between a lone killer and a serial killer? Is it the symp?

Yeah that's my problem, except nothing is expected from symp

I'd expect sk to have BP

Kind of a moot point now since you are dead, but I was wondering if having you in Karo (calling himself a suspicious bastard) quote box with the other killer was an indication of a symp tying you together.

[Bendal Home]

Ultama, on 17 August 2016 - 05:22 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 17 August 2016 - 04:12 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 11 August 2016 - 04:51 PM, said:

IT IS A LYNCH!
It is Day 1. 2 hours and 10 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Denesmet, Eloth, Fener, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Liosan, Lock, Monok Ochem, Serc, silanah, Skintick, Ultama

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Eloth ( Monok Ochem, Grasp )
9 Votes for Monok Ochem ( Karosis, Fener, Bendal Home, Serc, Monok, Denesmet, Liosan, Ultama, Lock)

Players not voted: Eloth, gait, silanah, Skintick, Ultama

The town gathered around the old tree in the sqare to watch as the ape Monok Ochem hung from one of it's branches. A hush fell across the crowd as they realized he was one of their own. Monok Ochem was Tattersail and RI.

Looking at the Silanah lynch made me go back and look at the Monok lynch.

Left alive and having voted for lynching Tatts

Karosis, Bendal

Voted for Eloth
Gasp

Not voted

Gait and Ultima

This makes me a little bit more comfortable moving Karosis closer to the town side. Scum should have been perfectly happy to let Tatts drag on as long as possible but Karosis was the first to vote for him.

PS mistake. I had voted but was left in the unvote line

Ah yes. I don't know how I missed that earlier. Your vote is close enough to the end that it could be scum joining the train in order to get on. I only lend it a little bit of credence because of the mess that Tatts made which basically forced town to lynch him.

[Ultama]

BH, not sure where you see me leading the thread (and it doesn't sound like you know either except for gut). I mean the time line has been a fairly logical result of Tatts trick. The game was somewhat preordained from that point forward having to make sure we checked out all the 'roled' players for scum (especially after proof of principle after Den's death). As far as I know, I have looked into Sil, Lock, Grasp and Karo. Only one of those people were lynched and one of my suspects was killed...

[Ultama]

Bendal Home, on 17 August 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:

Ultama, on 17 August 2016 - 05:22 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 17 August 2016 - 04:12 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 11 August 2016 - 04:51 PM, said:

IT IS A LYNCH!
It is Day 1. 2 hours and 10 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Bendal Home, Denesmet, Eloth, Fener, gait, Grasp, Karosis, Liosan, Lock, Monok Ochem, Serc, silanah, Skintick, Ultama

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Eloth ( Monok Ochem, Grasp )
9 Votes for Monok Ochem ( Karosis, Fener, Bendal Home, Serc, Monok, Denesmet, Liosan, Ultama, Lock)

Players not voted: Eloth, gait, silanah, Skintick, Ultama

The town gathered around the old tree in the sqare to watch as the ape Monok Ochem hung from one of it's branches. A hush fell across the crowd as they realized he was one of their own. Monok Ochem was Tattersail and RI.

Looking at the Silanah lynch made me go back and look at the Monok lynch.

Left alive and having voted for lynching Tatts

Karosis, Bendal

Voted for Eloth
Gasp

Not voted

Gait and Ultima

This makes me a little bit more comfortable moving Karosis closer to the town side. Scum should have been perfectly happy to let Tatts drag on as long as possible but Karosis was the first to vote for him.

PS mistake. I had voted but was left in the unvote line

Ah yes. I don't know how I missed that earlier. Your vote is close enough to the end that it could be scum joining the train in order to get on. I only lend it a little bit of credence because of the mess that Tatts made which basically forced town to lynch him.

Fair enough. Everyone seems to be out of sorts this game, making all sorts of mistakes like voting for skintick, etc.

[Bendal Home]

Ultima what insights can you offer the thread in relation to suspicions and discussions on this most likely D Day.