[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 30 May 2017 - 01:40 PM, said:

Abyss, on 30 May 2017 - 01:21 PM, said:

Fuck me, they finally made a good one.


And it's Wonder Woman... the movie they've been saying for decades could not be made.

I'd also like to note that DC...at movie # 4....has beaten Marvel who are at Movie 15 (and counting! They will be at Movie 21 before this occurs) to a Female-led Superhero film.

Good point. One could argue that the Black Widow's role in IM2 thru Civil War set the stage for this, but that's sideswiped since they still won't give her a solo film.

I'm just desperately hopeful that this signals a shift in the quality of the DC movies. Suppose we'll see when JL and Aquaman street.

[worry]

I might actually go to the theater for this one. It looks great.

[paran falcon]

I thought there had been a thread for this movie but didn't find it in a brief search the other day. Coming from someone who was not ever immersed in comic books but knows of most of the more "major" super heroes, I am looking forward to this movie in a surprisingly big way. I know of Wonder Woman mostly from the TV show with Linda Carter. "Somewhat Amazonian" is all I really know about her origin story. But I thought Gail Gadot/Wonder Woman stole the show in Batman vs Superman. I'm not sure what it is about her (Yes, she is undoubtedly beautiful) but she struck me as perfect for the role immediately. I've seen every preview for this movie and it looks fantastic to me. I can find fault with anything I've seen to this point. I'm as eagerly anticipating this as I did The Force Awakens and possibly more. And my daughter is just as psyched as I am and even my wife isn't far behind. My 15 year old son, who doesn't really do the super hero thing much but did go see Guardians 2 out of boredom despite not seeing the first one, will probably go to WW willingly!

[Aptorian]

I remember the scene in Bats vs Supes where they're fighting [THE BIG BAD] and she more or less gets smacked and sent flying. They show her landing on her feet, sliding and coming to a stop, shield up, ready to attack again with a smile on her face. I immediately knew there that I liked her character.

A female superhero portrayed as one that relished the fight and doesn't even flinch in the face of some giant alien doomsday creature.

I thought she completely stole the show in her few scenes.

[Morgoth]

The only remotely interesting part of that fight.

[QuickTidal]

Morgoth, on 31 May 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

The only remotely interesting part of that fight.

Oh come on...the whole fight is FILLED with cribbed spread pages from the comics with the three fighting a big bad together. I can count at least 5 different set-ups that mimic EXACT fights and shots from JL comics over the years. And every single time I thought "Oh baby, that looks SO comic book-y!"

That fight is literally the best comic book team fight represented on screen as far as I'm concerned as a Page to Screen translation.

On topic: Jenkins has said her inspirations for the WW film are Indiana Jones and Donner's first Superman movie. Those are two GREAT bases to build a film from.

I'm kind of hoping that this shows DC/WB that Wonder Woman can be the connective tissue character from here on out, instead of always using Batman for that function.

UPDATE: Tickets purchased for Friday night! Woohoo!

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 31 May 2017 - 01:16 PM

[Macros]

As someone who has never read any of the comics, I couldn't care less how close they were to the comic spreads.

[Macros]

Sorry I should clarify
I didn't mean that to come off sounding so snarky.

My point was Morgoth disliked the fight and QTs rebuttal is about how closely it cribs the comic book and the like.

The majority of movie goers haven't read the comics or graphic novels. They love batman and superman from the film's they enjoyed as kids. Possibly the cartoon as well. So these parallel shots don't matter for shit if you don't know me what they are mimicking and so a lot of the stuff that made QT go 'aw hells yes' could have fallen flat for a lot of viewers

[QuickTidal]

Macros, on 31 May 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

Sorry I should clarify
I didn't mean that to come off sounding so snarky.

My point was Morgoth disliked the fight and QTs rebuttal is about how closely it cribs the comic book and the like.

The majority of movie goers haven't read the comics or graphic novels. They love batman and superman from the film's they enjoyed as kids. Possibly the cartoon as well. So these parallel shots don't matter for shit if you don't know me what they are mimicking and so a lot of the stuff that made QT go 'aw hells yes' could have fallen flat for a lot of viewers

Oh indeed. I think it was more along the lines of "This looks epic" and I associated that with the comic spreads it apes." But I think that same epicness translates to the screen for casual movie-goers as a really cool looking fight. Three heroes, one with zero powers, against one moderately-decent sized troll? For my money that's cooler than say The Avengers against a big robotic alien worm and it's parasites, or Iron Man VS other Iron Men of various descriptions, or the Avengers against the Avengers: Bloodless.

I mean here is some of the concept art for the scene in question.

If this doesn't look badass, I'm not sure what does.

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This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 31 May 2017 - 01:40 PM

[Macros]

Avengers on avengers bloodless I'll give you was boring. I think Marvel with the avengers univrrde have almost pigeon holes themselves into a too clean corner now. I was hoping DC would completely invert that but I'm still on the dawn of justice was balls team and WW was it's only real saving grace

[QuickTidal]

Macros, on 31 May 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

Avengers on avengers bloodless I'll give you was boring. I think Marvel with the avengers univrrde have almost pigeon holes themselves into a too clean corner now. I was hoping DC would completely invert that but I'm still on the dawn of justice was balls team and WW was it's only real saving grace

And that's totally a fair stance, and you're not alone.

[Andorion]

Going to see this tomorrow. WW was the only really good thing about BvS, so my expectations are high.

[QuickTidal]

Saw it last night. It was really, really fantastic! Every bit as good as the critics have said. Lots of nice action setpieces (the fantasy fight choreography is glorious!) scattered throughout some really, really fine little character moments. Gadot is PERFECTION from the moment she shows up on screen. Pine does a very good job at his role as Steve Trevor, and the other side characters are all very good in their respective roles. Loved it. Best DC movie by far, and I say that as someone who really likes BvS and LOVED MoS.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 03 June 2017 - 12:21 PM

[Andorion]

Saw Wonder Woman, and I loved it. It doesn't really feel like a DC film. There is colour and life and humout Gal Gadot is fantastic. She owns the screen.

Spoiler

Overall the plot was ok, but I have a couple of questions:

1. Did Ares actually die?
2. How is WW going to react to WW2? It was worse than WW1.

I was a bit disappointed in the villain. Not really scary enough for me.

I went to see this with my SO who is not super into DC, but now she wants to see Justice League!

[QuickTidal]

1. No, even though it seems it.

[Macros]

I was going to go see this tonight.
But the CL final is on, and I want to watch it incase the legend that is Buffon finally gets a CL medal.
Aiming to watch tomorrow, cautiously optimistic based of this threzd

[Andorion]

QuickTidal, on 03 June 2017 - 01:07 PM, said:

1. No, even though it seems it.

Yeah thats what I thought.

As someone who has not really read the WW comics, am I right in thinking that

Spoiler

Steve's death was a bit surprising? Does he stick around more in the comics?

[Silencer]

QuickTidal, on 03 June 2017 - 12:20 PM, said:

Saw it last night. It was really, really fantastic! Every bit as good as the critics have said. Lots of nice action setpieces (the fantasy fight choreography is glorious!) scattered throughout some really, really fine little character moments. Gadot is PERFECTION from the moment she shows up on screen. Pine does a very good job at his role as Steve Trevor, and the other side characters are all very good in their respective roles. Loved it. Best DC movie by far, and I say that as someone who really likes BvS and LOVED MoS.

See, if it wasn't for everyone else saying it's a lot better than the other two movies, I would say that the last sentence there makes your review a bad thing.

[Aptorian]

Andorion, on 03 June 2017 - 12:28 PM, said:

Saw Wonder Woman, and I loved it. It doesn't really feel like a DC film. There is colour and life and humout Gal Gadot is fantastic. She owns the screen.

Spoiler

Overall the plot was ok, but I have a couple of questions:

1. Did Ares actually die?
2. How is WW going to react to WW2? It was worse than WW1.

I was a bit disappointed in the villain. Not really scary enough for me.

I went to see this with my SO who is not super into DC, but now she wants to see Justice League!

Spoiler

1. Rule of thumb for any story - If there is no body, the bad guy (or good guy) is not dead. More importantly if it's a comic book character you could tear the character a sunder, flay them, decapitate them, burn them and piss on their ashes and they might still be back next year.

But in terms of the film, sure, Ares died. We're told in the start that Ares killed the other gods, so the gods can kill each other. Further more Ares calls WW "God killer" and he had the lightning mojo he meant to kill her with thrown back in his face. As far as the manuscript is concerned, he died.

But in terms of story telling, if you need Ares back you just throw in a line about it taking Ares a while to re-cumbobulate his atoms or what ever.

2. I remember WW actually explaining this in B vs S but I can't remember the exact story. I think WW1 was enough to make her lose faith in man, and WW2 probably broke her.

[Aptorian]

Watched Wonder Woman earlier.

Like I wrote in the other thread, I liked it a lot. I think the first half is stronger than the second and I think the film should have been rated R but it's a really solid Superhero story.

Spoiler

I absolutely adored the origin story/young Diana section. That girl was adorable. Everything about the stuff on the Amazon island was fantastic. I loved that they were willing to show the actresses both looking old, with visible wrinkles and all, and at the same time really fit and wiry, with scars and sinewy muscles. They made the Amazons look like the badass warriors they are supposed to be.

On the other hand once they got to "The Front" and the real combat started, it felt so muted and toned down that it became sort of lame. Wonder Woman running across the no-man's land between trenches was goofy, her fighting scores of soldier and barely using her sword to murderize them, the disney-esque portrait of the innocent villagers vs the bad soldiers, etc. It just felt like lazy, by the book writing.

Similarly I thought Ares "master plotting" was laughable. "Ohh I'm a scary god of war, I walk around wispering in the ear of a chemist". Please. Couldn't they have come up with something a bit more menacing and god-like?All that aside, I liked the showdown between WW and Ares. Who knew The Dark Arts teacher from Hogwartz would make such a good bad guy? I loved his "Made on the go" armor and the voice amplification. I just wish they'd gone full "Man of Steel" and had the fight between them turn into something much bigger, with the blows between the two gods levelling everything for miles around.

Still, it was a really solid superhero story. Gal Gadot took the Wonder Woman character and made it work. I loved how Wonder Woman goes from being an innocent girl to a powerful woman as the film progresses.

I want to see more Wonder Woman films. Preferably just a modern day one.

This post has been edited by Seduce Goose: 03 June 2017 - 08:55 PM