[Emurlahn]

Fanderay, on 12 July 2016 - 10:08 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 July 2016 - 08:43 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 July 2016 - 08:37 PM, said:

i'm pretty sure Buffy will agree with my vote and i'm sure Emu will vote against me.

It's basically down to Togg, OE, and Denul to make the right choice here.

The right choice from a vampire.

Just a reminder that KF successfully identified Darla the Vampire that was confirmed by her CF.

Denul, I know you didn't try for a NK on the night a NK was supposed to happen. That clears you as being a vampire starting character in my books. Togg, you were Guarded the night that Buffy vigged and a vamp killed so I figure you're not starting Vamp too. OE, I cannot be sure on you.

Vote Telas

The underlined here, how does that clear KF of being recruited from then onwards?

Denul did not try for a night kill, hmm, this is based on the mechanics you have created for yourself, and people are usually wrong in their guessing of mechanics.

Togg is outed as Cordelia by KF, the confusion earlier was Olar RP'ing Cordelia but that got sorted out.

You backing up KF here is mightily suspicious.

We only have KF's word that you are good Angel, not bad Angel.

That sort of assumption can kick us in the ass.

You're scaremongering whilst trying to look like you're considering everything rationally.


I have every reason to back up KF - I know beyond doubt they are correct.

[Emurlahn]

Lets try a slightly different logic.

We have a Finder claim that was tested and found to be genuine.

The potential for recruitment exists.

The Finder makes a new claim.

The Found disputes the find and says they're trying to protect A N Other



Do we;

- Believe the Found, despite the Finder having previously been verified, and lynch another whom the Finder has claimed had a School alignment because the Finder "must have been recruited."

- Take the Founds opinions on board and test the reveal by lynching the Found, leaving A N Other until the reveal has been tested.

I know which makes sense.

[Telas]

Emurlahn, on 12 July 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

Lets try a slightly different logic.

We have a Finder claim that was tested and found to be genuine.

The potential for recruitment exists.

The Finder makes a new claim.

The Found disputes the find and says they're trying to protect A N Other



Do we;

- Believe the Found, despite the Finder having previously been verified, and lynch another whom the Finder has claimed had a School alignment because the Finder "must have been recruited."

- Take the Founds opinions on board and test the reveal by lynching the Found, leaving A N Other until the reveal has been tested.

I know which makes sense.

Morning

Normally, I would agree with you.

However, in this case, I strongly doubt we have the luxury of a wrong lynch. The numbers are getting tight. A single mistake could mean game over for town.

[Fanderay]

So you post a picture of you and Buffy kissing and that's meant to convince me you are the good guy?

[Denul]

What are your thoughts on two vamp factions,

[Telas]

Heading to work now, but I've got my phone on me, so feel free to ask questions. We probably only have just one more shot to get this right.

[Kadagar Fant]

Fanderay, on 12 July 2016 - 11:15 AM, said:

So you post a picture of you and Buffy kissing and that's meant to convince me you are the good guy?

No, that means that he is in a lover conversation with Buffy.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 7. 15 hours 54 minutes remain.

7 players still alive: (Denul,Fanderay, Emurlahn,Telas,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

4 votes to lynch. 4 votes to go night.

2 vote Telas (Kadagar Fant, Emurlahn)
1 vote Emurlahn (Telas)

Players not voted: (Denul,Fanderay, Togg,Olar Ethil)

[Kadagar Fant]

Telas, on 12 July 2016 - 11:12 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 12 July 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

Lets try a slightly different logic.

We have a Finder claim that was tested and found to be genuine.

The potential for recruitment exists.

The Finder makes a new claim.

The Found disputes the find and says they're trying to protect A N Other



Do we;

- Believe the Found, despite the Finder having previously been verified, and lynch another whom the Finder has claimed had a School alignment because the Finder "must have been recruited."

- Take the Founds opinions on board and test the reveal by lynching the Found, leaving A N Other until the reveal has been tested.

I know which makes sense.

Morning

Normally, I would agree with you.

However, in this case, I strongly doubt we have the luxury of a wrong lynch. The numbers are getting tight. A single mistake could mean game over for town.

Oh, scaremongering! Yes, numbers are getting tight, whichever way you turn it. However, if you are oh so convinced I am turned, why not test your theory and vote me?

Basically, yesterday you ASKED for a find on yourself or on Fanderay. You got what you wanted, and I firmly believe you were then already planning this, because this is your 'truth' versus mine now.
It is also why you are targeting Angel as 'cult leader' (regardless of it making zero sense whatsoever in the setting): after all, if you remove the guard, there is always one of you who is not staked.

[Telas]

Kadagar Fant, on 12 July 2016 - 12:13 PM, said:

Telas, on 12 July 2016 - 11:12 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 12 July 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

Lets try a slightly different logic.

We have a Finder claim that was tested and found to be genuine.

The potential for recruitment exists.

The Finder makes a new claim.

The Found disputes the find and says they're trying to protect A N Other



Do we;

- Believe the Found, despite the Finder having previously been verified, and lynch another whom the Finder has claimed had a School alignment because the Finder "must have been recruited."

- Take the Founds opinions on board and test the reveal by lynching the Found, leaving A N Other until the reveal has been tested.

I know which makes sense.

Morning

Normally, I would agree with you.

However, in this case, I strongly doubt we have the luxury of a wrong lynch. The numbers are getting tight. A single mistake could mean game over for town.

Oh, scaremongering! Yes, numbers are getting tight, whichever way you turn it. However, if you are oh so convinced I am turned, why not test your theory and vote me?

Basically, yesterday you ASKED for a find on yourself or on Fanderay. You got what you wanted, and I firmly believe you were then already planning this, because this is your 'truth' versus mine now.
It is also why you are targeting Angel as 'cult leader' (regardless of it making zero sense whatsoever in the setting): after all, if you remove the guard, there is always one of you who is not staked.

More BS. I never asked for a find. Keep floundering.

Once again, for the slow people: if we are close to D-day, then lynching a recruit does not stop the vamps, as the recruiter can us the night to replenish numbers, and potentially win the next day. It's crucial to get the recruiter now. Hence I'm not voting you, but the person you have been covering for.

[Fanderay]

Denul, on 12 July 2016 - 11:38 AM, said:

What are your thoughts on two vamp factions,

Well Angel is a vamp, and according to KF he can choose to be good or bad, again according to KF he has chosen the good side. Yet to be verified.

If we are going off season one then we have maybe Angel, The Master, Willow, Buffy, Xander, Cordelia, and Jenny Calendar.

KF wants to lynch Xander who is a good guy but he is claiming him as a vamp, which means he is saying he is recruited. This is believable. Yet I wonder why KF has picked the recruit to lynch, if Xander has been recruited then Cordelia, Jenny, even Willow could have been recruited. If we lynch wrong then it could give the game to the vampires.

I think Emur's CF will give credit to KF, if Angel is a bad guy, KF is recruited, then they lynch Xander who is innocent, that leaves them with a majority.

Vote Emurlahn

[Kadagar Fant]

Telas, on 08 July 2016 - 06:21 PM, said:

Ok, false alarm. Just my phone being dumb and turning off data for some reason. Today's actually the day my cap was reset. I managed to survive on 10% data for almost a weeks!

Umm, back to discussion at hand.

Re: Fandy. I agree his "find me" statement is no smart at all. Do I think that makes him head vampire? Not really. It would be a suicidally brave move to ask for a find if you're the recruiter.
There's also a timezone factor to consider, as Fandy seems to be around earlier than half of us, which explains some of the early voting

Re: me not voting on vamps. I left the thread for the long weekend on the 30th, hours before KF dropped the "Merrid is Darla" bomb. When I left, the biggest train was on Togg, and it was kinda shit. Re: Kesso, I got beat on voting him by our low-lying players, while I kept prodding him hoping he'd let smth more interesting slip. (why'd you think I was harping on his "school has an unconfirmed guard" theory so hard?)

You are absolutely correct there. It wasn't you, it was Fanderay.
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[Kadagar Fant]

Fanderay, on 12 July 2016 - 12:31 PM, said:

Denul, on 12 July 2016 - 11:38 AM, said:

What are your thoughts on two vamp factions,

Well Angel is a vamp, and according to KF he can choose to be good or bad, again according to KF he has chosen the good side. Yet to be verified.

If we are going off season one then we have maybe Angel, The Master, Willow, Buffy, Xander, Cordelia, and Jenny Calendar.

KF wants to lynch Xander who is a good guy but he is claiming him as a vamp, which means he is saying he is recruited. This is believable. Yet I wonder why KF has picked the recruit to lynch, if Xander has been recruited then Cordelia, Jenny, even Willow could have been recruited. If we lynch wrong then it could give the game to the vampires.

I think Emur's CF will give credit to KF, if Angel is a bad guy, KF is recruited, then they lynch Xander who is innocent, that leaves them with a majority.

Vote Emurlahn

1. Angel cannot choose whether he is good or bad: the factions he comes in contact with, do. It is one reason why I came out with the Darla result, because I figured Darla (as the sire) was especially worth removing.
2. I picked Telas to lynch because it is surety in reducing the number of evil. I do not know if Emur is correct in you being the big evil or not, I prefer to remove the known evil and narrow down the suspect pool some more.
3. Lynch Angel and you remove action parity: all vampires with an action can then use it.

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I think Emur's CF will give credit to KF, ]if Angel is a bad guy, KF is recruited, then they lynch Xander who is innocent, that leaves them with a majority.

This sentence requires further emphasis.
1. Your entire case rests on the 'if'.
2. You use two different WCS:
A. Emur-Angel isn't town and lynching wrong hands the game to the vamps;
B. Emur-Angel is town and lynching wrong does not hand the game to the vamps.

Finally, if you are Buffy as Telas claims, why at any point in the past did you not try to vig Emurlahn? Isn't that the Slayer's duty?

[Telas]

Basically it now boils down to the following: we've had 2 day/night cycles with no vamp deaths. Emur pushed a non-vamp lynch, and then so did I (KF didn't object).

At this point vamps may already have majority, after 2 nights of no NKs and potential recruiting. If they have 4, then the non-town players are screwed. KF is lying about me, and Emur is backing him up, which to me suggests that's what might be happening.

I suppose it's now up to Togg, Denul and OE to make the correct choice.

[Fanderay]

I don't have a "case". I am more worried about what will happen if we vote Telas blindly following you. Why would you assume Buffy had more than one vig? Something doesn't add up there.

[Fanderay]

Telas, on 12 July 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

Basically it now boils down to the following: we've had 2 day/night cycles with no vamp deaths. Emur pushed a non-vamp lynch, and then so did I (KF didn't object).

At this point vamps may already have majority, after 2 nights of no NKs and potential recruiting. If they have 4, then the non-town players are screwed. KF is lying about me, and Emur is backing him up, which to me suggests that's what might be happening.

I suppose it's now up to Togg, Denul and OE to make the correct choice.

Togg has not been around for a little while.

If KF is recruited then it is just as possible that Emur is someone else other than Angel.

[Kadagar Fant]

Fanderay, on 12 July 2016 - 01:14 PM, said:

Telas, on 12 July 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

Basically it now boils down to the following: we've had 2 day/night cycles with no vamp deaths. Emur pushed a non-vamp lynch, and then so did I (KF didn't object).

At this point vamps may already have majority, after 2 nights of no NKs and potential recruiting. If they have 4, then the non-town players are screwed. KF is lying about me, and Emur is backing him up, which to me suggests that's what might be happening.

I suppose it's now up to Togg, Denul and OE to make the correct choice.

Togg has not been around for a little while.

If KF is recruited then it is just as possible that Emur is someone else other than Angel.

A recruitment game with a one-time vig and a recruitable Finder for the town faction and at the least one kill for the scum, too? Honestly?

[Togg]

Both sides of conflict more or less make sense and it can indeed be broken down to KF's truth vs Telas's truth.

KF is playing the being unrecruitable card. They have basically revealed, I wonder if PS would allow real Buffy to do this. I didn't wanna discuss your recruitability last day because it was pointless as Fandy pointed out, now if we really are at D-Day it's essential.

If Fande was Buffy their "perform a find on me" would make some sense. I think that was the one thing I found really suspicious about them and this would kinda explain it.

Sick and busy, I'll come back later with more elaborate comments hopefully

[Fanderay]

Kadagar Fant, on 12 July 2016 - 01:19 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 12 July 2016 - 01:14 PM, said:

Telas, on 12 July 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

Basically it now boils down to the following: we've had 2 day/night cycles with no vamp deaths. Emur pushed a non-vamp lynch, and then so did I (KF didn't object).

At this point vamps may already have majority, after 2 nights of no NKs and potential recruiting. If they have 4, then the non-town players are screwed. KF is lying about me, and Emur is backing him up, which to me suggests that's what might be happening.

I suppose it's now up to Togg, Denul and OE to make the correct choice.

Togg has not been around for a little while.

If KF is recruited then it is just as possible that Emur is someone else other than Angel.

A recruitment game with a one-time vig and a recruitable Finder for the town faction and at the least one kill for the scum, too? Honestly?

As I said to Emur, I don't know the mechanics BUT he is set on them. He was conveniently wrong about Korlat, and was backed up by you the next day. He says he is a guard and a finder, as he said to Denul that he did not try to kill the night a kill was "meant" to take place, how would he know this? Normally as a guard you get to know if you were successful or not. You do not know if that person tried an action or what type of action that was.

[Telas]

Get better, Togg.

@ KF: you're gonna go back to role spec now? Really? That's an untenable argument, so I'm not even gonna bother commenting further.