[Gorefest]

Maark Abbott, on 29 June 2016 - 06:32 AM, said:

If they replace him in favour of a Blairite, they'll lose what momentum they had built up, which his being elected is due to and simultaneously responsible for. How they can miss that is beyond me, franky.

Welcome to the Westminster bubble. The same people that consider Corbyn unelectable are the very people that thought brexit would never actually happen.

[Maark Abbott]

Gorefest, on 29 June 2016 - 10:21 AM, said:

Kanyemander West, on 28 June 2016 - 08:14 PM, said:

I'm finding interesting, thanks to the comments in what some of you guys post on FB, how truly universal the denial of white supremacist (or at least isolationist) motives in this whole affair. Every single racist/xenophobic outburst is just one more coincidence, a signpost of nothing in particular. Reminds me of my own dear homeland. Any solace in the fact that as nations, we're not so different after all?

Well, I guess the brexit vote is our equivalent of voting Donald Trump in office, so I guess that shuts up our smug mouths. In my defence, I wasn't allowed a vote

Cuz we wont britesh 2 b abote britesh m8. Or something to that effect.

[QuickTidal]

A little levity, David Tennant reads Scottish tweets lambasting Trump as an idiot with regards to Brexit.

[Tiste Simeon]

Anyone think the disintegration of the labour party and the extreme backbiting and division in the Tories might see a resurgence of the Lib Dems? I like Farron so wouldn't mind that.

[polishgenius]

It's a massive opportunity for both the Lib Dems and the Greens, especially if there is a snap election after the Tory leadership vote. The Lib Dems are probably better placed in terms of the traditional voter just coz, you know, they're traditional, but if Corbyn is ousted a lot of those who were won over by him would probably lean Green.

What's happening at Labour is disgraceful. Instead of uniting behind Corbyn to take advantage of the Tory backbiting, they've torn the party apart at the worst possible time.

[Werthead]

Tiste Simeon, on 29 June 2016 - 06:41 PM, said:

Anyone think the disintegration of the labour party and the extreme backbiting and division in the Tories might see a resurgence of the Lib Dems? I like Farron so wouldn't mind that.

Not impossible. Farron has said they will be campaigning for the next general election on remaining in the European Union, so they will hoover a lot of disaffected Remain voters up that way. With Labour in meltdown I can see them doing reasonably well. Maybe not reversing the decline of 2015 but certainly halting it and maybe clawing a few seats back. The Greens have proposed a left-of-centre alliance between the Lib Dems, Greens, SNP and Labour to offer a more coherent opposition to the Tories, which may also be worth considering.

The big struggle will be the smaller parties getting heard. They struggle mightily for airtime and coverage in the papers.

[Gorefest]

The inevitable Hitler's bunker parody.

[Mentalist]

I read a good parody set in WoW. It's a bit spoilerific though,

linky

[Coltaine -]

Boris Johnson doesn't want to be the next PM

http://www.bbc.com/n...litics-36672591

Looks like he has realised what he has done. And now instead of taking responsibility he tries to hide and let other people fix his mess.

[QuickTidal]

- Coltaine -, on 30 June 2016 - 11:35 AM, said:

Boris Johnson doesn't want to be the next PM

http://www.bbc.com/n...litics-36672591

Looks like he has realised what he has done. And now instead of taking responsibility he tries to hide and let other people fix his mess.

I saw that, and it feeds into that link I posted further up. He's now WELL aware of this shitstorm he'd have to weather as prime minister and all the logistics of what he was so on board with (Leaving)...so now he's trying to slink away.

[Tiste Simeon]

... and still people are denying that we have messed the country up...

I'm seeing a lot of people keep saying that we're fine and that it's just the media fear mongering. Or, as I like to call them, "facts"...

[Cause]

Can someone explain quickly. The vote was 52 to 48 percent. I understand the vote is not actually binding on government? Can such a close vote not be grounds for a second?

[Tiste Simeon]

Many seem to think so. The government isn't bound to do anything with it but it would be foolish to ignore (unless you care nothing for your own career or your parties' future.)

What they should have done is written a 2/3 provision into the referendum which means that it would only be a victory should they get over 2/3 of the vote...

[Coltaine -]

Cause, on 30 June 2016 - 01:50 PM, said:

Can someone explain quickly. The vote was 52 to 48 percent. I understand the vote is not actually binding on government? Can such a close vote not be grounds for a second?

It is just a non-binding expression of what the people think. The result not necessarily has to influence the politics. On the other hand it was an official election. So it is hard to ignore it as a PM, if you want to be elected again. A second Brexit-election would nearly be the same. Ignoring the first result and hoping that the next one is better. So it is problematic.
A reelection of the parlament could maybe solve the problem, with the MPs taking a clear position. But could also lead to a very strong UKIP. And with the majority voting system this could end badly.

In other countries you need 60% or 65% in such important questions to avoid this problem.

[Cause]

Yeah the cut off ha to be somewhere and strictly speaking a majority is 50.01% but barring the rigors of science where everything is done in triplicate I'd have thought it would be smart to maintain the status quo with nothing less than say a Minimum of 55%

[Gorefest]

This whole thing is starting to look like a particularly lively episode of GoT...

another potential ruler (Boris) toppled. An unexpected candidate (Gove) rises to the fore. Day'um.

This post has been edited by Gorefest: 30 June 2016 - 04:20 PM

[Mezla PigDog]

Boris is a shrewd operator. He's gauged the mood in his party and realised he wouldn't get elected as Leader especially when Gove is standing. He won't stand until he's sure he will win.

Wish the fecking Labour party would get on and sort it's shit out. If they have to try and oust Corbyn then at least unite behind a single person.

[Vengeance]

Gorefest, on 30 June 2016 - 04:19 PM, said:

This whole thing is starting to look like a particularly lively episode of GoT...

another potential ruler (Boris) toppled. An unexpected candidate (Gove) rises to the fore. Day'um.

Unfortunately the potential rulers who are toppled aren't dead.....

[Morgoth]

That is not dead which eternal lie, and in strange aeons even death may die

[Gorefest]

This political party broadcast from the Green Party is actually from a few months ago, but it has turned quite topical and strangely premonitory.