[Khellendros]

What do I remember from off the top of my head (I'm writing this down for myself really):

Dhenrabi:

- New but not new, has experience, mentioned enjoys playing as SK? Obviously, not SK in this game, but could be canny scum. JPK and Dhenrabi paired? Could be, don't remember either one really interacting.
- Absent on a day when there were two kills.


Tapper:
- Much more active this game than has been past few games. Lots of debates and arguments with various people. Some out-there theories laid out, but was correct on the three scum (if different set up). I keep going back to the play which felt like symping me, coming up to raise different issues whenever Gust or Tattersail was aggressively going after me. Got labeled a symp a few times by other players, but never killer (except by me a couple of days ago).
- Tapper being left alive this long is crazy dangerous for any scum.
- Would he have stuck his neck out so much early game with that game setup theory? I really can't tell. This is the guy after all who comes up with our weirdest and wackiest games.

[Khellendros]

Dhenrabi, on 06 May 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:

So I get to be final arbiter?

Gotta take this slow.

Well I haven't quite decided yet!

[Khellendros]

Although having said that you not voting yet is telling.

[Khellendros]

Vote Tapper then.

[Khellendros]

Actually, this looks quite telling to me. VPIing Macros.

Tapper, on 05 May 2016 - 12:40 PM, said:

Is it possible we reach consensus on someone other than Khell? Because without Bubba's clarification if he was told a heal was consumed or not, the case lacks clarity.

I think Mac is VPI. Gusty, PI. Me, I am town. Neither Andorion nor Dhenrabi voted yesterday when Khell HAD to be lynched and only one vote was needed. That benefitted scum only - both if Khell is scum, and if he isn't.

And that is the only reason I don't vote him straight away.

Tapper, on 05 May 2016 - 02:41 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 05 May 2016 - 02:28 PM, said:

Tapper, on 05 May 2016 - 12:40 PM, said:

I think Mac is VPI.

Why?

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Gusty, PI.

Why?


I'm genuinely asking for your reasoning, not trying to be annoying.

Mac's game has been what I see as a contributing town game.
Yes, he hasn't made many waves and has not been examined at all, but he consecutively has kept multiple scenario's open, was involved in most trains and is the only one genuinely upset at there being no lynches.
Essentially, he played like you did for most of the game. More importantly, he also was the only one to initially spot the targeting bit in Bubba's reveal, which no scum would do: it would either expose a (fellow) scum or potentially VPI you at a time when that was not opportune at all - see GH's obsession.

If Gust was scum (and he might still be) he chose a very odd obsession in you and then Bliss. Once again, no cases on him, except mine, and much of that rested on interplay between him and Tatts.
Tatts CFed RI, and if we have a three scum scenario then Tatts probably wasn't GH's symp. His constant out-of-the-gates vote-for-Khell cases were bad and I'd say tunnel-visioned, but would a scum play like that?
To go back, he also had a gut feeling about JPK - early distancing, maybe, but why pick a new guy for that?

Out of all of us, one feels like a good town and the other like tunnel visioned town, but both give me a town vibe.

VPIing Macros works in a couple of ways, with Tapper then killing him after in this scenario. Either he genuinely believed that, and so got rid of Macros so that 'shadier' players were left at endgame (me, Dhenrabi an unknown, Gust who both me and Dhenrabi had reservations over and who moreover would be likely to vote me).

Or he believed Mac might be the SK, and so said it in order to not be targeted by Mac at night, hoping Mac would go after someone who had expressed greater suspicion of him.


Edit: For the sake of openness, I should say that yes, I agreed with Tapper's assessment of Macros at the time.

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 06 May 2016 - 12:50 PM

[Dhenrabi]

I strongly dislike Tapper's initial vote this phase. It looks a bit like he's hoping that I'll hop on quickly after him, ending the game in his favor. A little too planned with hardly any consideration of me as scum.

Khell to banish your last possible suspicion of me I could have ended the game already if I were scum.

Right now I'm leaning towards Tapper as scum but I'm not going to make any hasty decisions. There is a lot of time left in the phase and I plan on making use of that to go back through everything.

[Tapper]

Dhenrabi, on 06 May 2016 - 12:59 PM, said:

I strongly dislike Tapper's initial vote this phase. It looks a bit like he's hoping that I'll hop on quickly after him, ending the game in his favor. A little too planned with hardly any consideration of me as scum.

Khell to banish your last possible suspicion of me I could have ended the game already if I were scum.

Right now I'm leaning towards Tapper as scum but I'm not going to make any hasty decisions. There is a lot of time left in the phase and I plan on making use of that to go back through everything.

For me, the fact that you'd decide was clear from the moment I figured you weren't around to submit kills, and the same principle is being followed by Khell's vote for me.

I have done my fair share of twisting and turning this game, and Khell can and probably will use that. So what can I say? I have been wrong - latest example is me VPI-ing Mac, which is now being dragged up.
In response to that, I would have to say that an SK plays as a solo, with the same information base as town has, and has as much to win by offing scum through a lynch as town does - and if I were to go one step further, Khellendros adding Wifom elements (speculation as why I would do that), could point that he is more interested in influencing your opinion than I am.

So, take your time, read the thread, make your decision. I have been playing bad enough to know that I might seem scummy. I have been dead wrong also in whom I accused as scum, unless you count my pursuit of Khell earlier on, because that was dead on.

[Dhenrabi]

Tapper, on 06 May 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 06 May 2016 - 12:59 PM, said:

I strongly dislike Tapper's initial vote this phase. It looks a bit like he's hoping that I'll hop on quickly after him, ending the game in his favor. A little too planned with hardly any consideration of me as scum.

Khell to banish your last possible suspicion of me I could have ended the game already if I were scum.

Right now I'm leaning towards Tapper as scum but I'm not going to make any hasty decisions. There is a lot of time left in the phase and I plan on making use of that to go back through everything.

For me, the fact that you'd decide was clear from the moment I figured you weren't around to submit kills, and the same principle is being followed by Khell's vote for me.

I have done my fair share of twisting and turning this game, and Khell can and probably will use that. So what can I say? I have been wrong - latest example is me VPI-ing Mac, which is now being dragged up.
In response to that, I would have to say that an SK plays as a solo, with the same information base as town has, and has as much to win by offing scum through a lynch as town does - and if I were to go one step further, Khellendros adding Wifom elements (speculation as why I would do that), could point that he is more interested in influencing your opinion than I am.

So, take your time, read the thread, make your decision. I have been playing bad enough to know that I might seem scummy. I have been dead wrong also in whom I accused as scum, unless you count my pursuit of Khell earlier on, because that was dead on.

However there's zero hesitation. If Khell is scum he at least had the grace to pretend he didn't know who would be the decider.

Also there is to consider the fact that you had more to gain in keeping my alive, since you've rated higher on my town list for the last couple of phases. Though of course it could be argued that Khell as scum could hardly leave GH around.

I also do not like the apologetic nature of your post. The "I've tried and failed" shtick is one I've more often observed with scum than town.

Since I am the decider right now I find it quite odd that you argue that scum would be more interested in influencing my decision than town. It's practically a 1v1 popularity contest right now and town has as much to gain from gaining my deciding vote as scum.

[Dhenrabi]

I just realized I may not be able to come back later. I've went back through most of the thread and came to a conclusion. Whether I'm right or wrong, the scum played pretty magnificently because it's a really hard choice to make. I won't feel bad about myself however this turns out.


Nevertheless, I'm going to

[Vote lynch Tapper]


In the end, this seems to make the most sense to me. Khell has been very actively wrong a lot of times in this game and has never tried to downplay it. This coupled to Tapper's strange play in the last phase has made me come to this decision.

I'm leaving now, hoping to return to victory, but not quite sure tbh.

[Khellendros]

Dhenrabi, on 06 May 2016 - 02:01 PM, said:

I just realized I may not be able to come back later. I've went back through most of the thread and came to a conclusion. Whether I'm right or wrong, the scum played pretty magnificently because it's a really hard choice to make. I won't feel bad about myself however this turns out.


Nevertheless, I'm going to

[Vote lynch Tapper]


In the end, this seems to make the most sense to me. Khell has been very actively wrong a lot of times in this game and has never tried to downplay it. This coupled to Tapper's strange play in the last phase has made me come to this decision.

I'm leaving now, hoping to return to victory, but not quite sure tbh.

You'd better come hide under this here table with me, Dhen. This thread is about to explode.

[Macros]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Macros]

I am so disapoint

[Khellendros]

And you definitely shouldn't feel bad, Dhen. You played a good game throughout and had some really great insights. It's these old timers who really really should have known better.

[Khellendros]

Macros, on 06 May 2016 - 02:03 PM, said:

I am so disapoint

I'm not one for joint victories unless they're with my actual partner


On which point, well played Kitsu! Sorry you went out early, hope you play with us again!

[Tattersail_]

It is day 7.


Fucking no fucking time fucking remaining because that is a fucking lynch.

2 votes Tapper; Dhenrabi and Khell

Tapper has been lynched. He was RI.

SCUM WIN

Fucking fucking fucking congratulations to the scum team.

Mess the fucking Symp.
JustFuckingPlainFuckingKitsu scum
and motherfucking fuck head, fucking slimey bastard survive a fucking nuclear explosion fuck face Khellendros.

[Macros]

I shoulda have killed you night 1 like I originally planned.

I shoulda forced the lynch on you yesterday

And the day before.

I am ashamed of myself for letting thos game slip my grasp.

Only the gods can forgive this abysmal occurrence, WE'RE ALL DOOMED FO BURN FOR ETERNITY FOR LETTING THIS HAPPEN

[Andorion]

What the bloody hell!!!

You guys lynched me and left Khell alive. Shit shit shit I should have logged in and hammered yesterday.

Dammit

[Path-Shaper]

I thought I was in PS then.

It is day 7

2 Votes for Tapper; Khellendros and Dhenrabi

Tapper is lynched he was ri.

Scum Team win.

Congratulations Khell, Kitsu and Mess.

[Tapper]

Dhenrabi, on 06 May 2016 - 01:21 PM, said:

Tapper, on 06 May 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 06 May 2016 - 12:59 PM, said:

I strongly dislike Tapper's initial vote this phase. It looks a bit like he's hoping that I'll hop on quickly after him, ending the game in his favor. A little too planned with hardly any consideration of me as scum.

Khell to banish your last possible suspicion of me I could have ended the game already if I were scum.

Right now I'm leaning towards Tapper as scum but I'm not going to make any hasty decisions. There is a lot of time left in the phase and I plan on making use of that to go back through everything.

For me, the fact that you'd decide was clear from the moment I figured you weren't around to submit kills, and the same principle is being followed by Khell's vote for me.

I have done my fair share of twisting and turning this game, and Khell can and probably will use that. So what can I say? I have been wrong - latest example is me VPI-ing Mac, which is now being dragged up.
In response to that, I would have to say that an SK plays as a solo, with the same information base as town has, and has as much to win by offing scum through a lynch as town does - and if I were to go one step further, Khellendros adding Wifom elements (speculation as why I would do that), could point that he is more interested in influencing your opinion than I am.

So, take your time, read the thread, make your decision. I have been playing bad enough to know that I might seem scummy. I have been dead wrong also in whom I accused as scum, unless you count my pursuit of Khell earlier on, because that was dead on.

However there's zero hesitation. If Khell is scum he at least had the grace to pretend he didn't know who would be the decider.

The pretension itself is false modesty. The tendency you describe for town to wait is there, sure. Scum also loves it, and because of the tendency, have to win by being second. So, having determined you're going to be the decider, should I enter a competition to be the last of Khell and me to vote so that I can seem like I care to be careful when I knew all along that there's going to be a 2-1 vote today and me being certain who is scum?
With all due respect, I don't want to sit and F5 all day - the weather here is beautiful and I have Fall of Light waiting for me outside and I know exactly where I stand with regards to Khell - the only thing I don't know is your mind.
Are you saying I should play games to make myself seem more towny? It is scum that plays games.

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Also there is to consider the fact that you had more to gain in keeping my alive, since you've rated higher on my town list for the last couple of phases. Though of course it could be argued that Khell as scum could hardly leave GH around.

Mac surely didn't kill himself, so Khell killed Mac and Mac killed GH.

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I also do not like the apologetic nature of your post. The "I've tried and failed" shtick is one I've more often observed with scum than town.

Pff, there's no denying I was wrong quite a bit, and people have been saying all the time I was scummy for it - sure, I could bullshit and deny and twist, but that would only make myself less believable.

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Since I am the decider right now I find it quite odd that you argue that scum would be more interested in influencing my decision than town. It's practically a 1v1 popularity contest right now and town has as much to gain from gaining my deciding vote as scum.

Bubba as healer figured Khell was scum based on mechanics - he was adamant Khell was never targeted by a kill and Khell was too eager to claim it CIed him. My case on Khell springs from there. My arguments for Khell being scum are out there, and Khell managed to weasel and refute them long enough to get here. What should I do, rehash them, all for the sake of convincing you? I'd rather you made up your own mind. If we lose because I didn't push that case enough and would rather sit and read, so be it. Anyway, my case didn't get to a lynch the day before last, it didn't get to a lynch last game day (partly because I suggested Andorion - and if you need some wifom-wooing: if I was scum, who do you think I'd rather go to an end-game with: hardly present Andorion or ever-present Khell?).

And with that, I am out for now.

[Andorion]

I should have never removed that vote. I should have put it back in