[Lady Bliss]

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

<snip>
from Tatts:

I see your points regarding the assumptions. Like I said earlier, there is that elephant, the one over there, but we mustn't talk about it until we get more information. Like 2 deaths, or a cult CF like Mess mentioned. Which is fair enough.

Good point here Khell. I know that I was expecting the standard 1 kill per night since this is an M&P. it looks like Tatts may have slipped with some inside knowledge.

[HiddenOne]

back in the saddle, fighting the computers today - Why does this Windows 10 filth have to be endured?

[Tattersail_]

In fact for transparency I have been active all morning and it is turning into a bit of a slog. So if other town members could help out, that would be great. Games of interest, these are the games that current members of in this game have played and won as scum. (mainly just Meat and Potatoes like this one)

Gust Hubb - A Newb Game, Mafia 80 Benses IV
Blend - Mafia 92.5, Mafia 112
Bliss - 88.5, 96, 104, A Newb Game
Khell - 78.5, B Vet Game, 92.5, 99, 101, 102, 112
Tapper - 44, 76.5, 80, 99
Macros - 87.5, 111
HO - 89.75, 93.5, 109
Me - Benses IV, 88.5

I have literally went through 2 games so far, and have quite a few notes on Gusty's play style as scum. It'll take a while to actually do all of these games and players. So either I get help from fellow town OR I use this data when we are fewer number.

So focusing on just this game so far I have made this early observation:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

Woo game thread.

Vote Khellendros

Because Macros and Venge have a point...

Mentioning 2 game players in one post. This type of vote never gets traction and is a good way of notifying your masters. I am thinking Mess was vig killed because of his play over the HO debacle and I am not going to say Mess is or is not the symp as I hate being labelled it myself.

However, Look at this

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 08:14 AM, said:

So, Macros does not want to engage in the dragon secks which implies getting down to business from the get go

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 06:07 AM, said:

Gooooooooooooooooooooddddd morning Malazan!

Thankfully there's no alts so we can forgo the dragon secks

Which is the reason Andorion posts his mechanic post.

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Combine that with this from Khell

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 08:29 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

I have two thoughts.

1) Those are all standard roles you've listed in my view.

2) You want us to speculate on town roles. That's interesting.

3) I'm hungry.


Guess I had three thoughts. Now to do something about the third.

Here's Khell mentioning the town roles, which I then pick up on.

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

Aaand both Macros and Khell make good points about Andorion, although not talking about the "non standard role", is like ignoring the elephant in the room. With 17 players, i'd think it would lean toward favouring scum.

continued...

[Tattersail_]

...

So both Macros and Khell with leading points, that actually get us to post/comment on, that they then use in future arguments to paint us as scummy!!!

Now, this is the point where I started looking into Gust Hubb because in my PM's I was thinking of him as town but I wanted to see what he played like as scum, so I went and checked those games and i've got good data on him for use later on.


I haven't went much further than that this game day, but so far I'm looking at both Macros and Khell for subtly directing the thread. Both of these two players are the ones with unasked for excuses throughout the game too, as examples;

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

This has been a very active day so far, Im hoping the phone signal is as good at my next port of call.

Tatts, mess and andiron are firing posts out like crazy. Overall content has been either helping newbies and quoting stuff, wall o'quote text blocks that I habitually scan and what I read as a "NO YOU!!" Match between tatts and andiron.

Realistically a meaning post from me at this juncture of the game is laptop material, which will be after work.

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 12:01 PM, said:

I've got a bit of a work emergency today guys, but hopefully will be around in the evening.

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 04:48 PM, said:

Toilet bowl throwing, ah you crazy Dutch, what ever will you think of next?



Catching up after work. have been dipping in an out but reading wall of texts on the phone is a pain in the balls

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

Finally done and ready to engage for realsies! Let me read up the impressive number of pages and then state some super important and relevant things which surely no one has already mentioned...ish.

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

Watching match, good post by Sergei though!
Will take another look at nom and co when I get home

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 06:01 AM, said:

Morning, not much seems to have changed on my quick poop glance.

Will have a ball of time at work this morning

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 12:36 PM, said:

woohoo, have an excuse to get the laptop out at work to type up a few certs, and this site is in a 4G area!

going to do a quick reread of things I tried to skim through on my phone, from what I've gathered theres a train on Nom, but we've 2 hours left. if needed I will swap, but I really like my tatts vote, would also switch to HO if that gains any more traction

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 06:04 PM, said:

well shit, not overly surprised that itwasn'tnom (will rep for that post game demon lhama, groan worthy ounnage that it was).

Am wrapping up at this job here now, the next site I know has no signal, but should only (hopefully) be there for an hour or two, should be able to sit down with the laptop by 10pm the latest this evening

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 09:18 PM, said:

home from work but have a shit ton of stuff to get typed up, will endevour to get a proper post made before going to bed

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 10:21 PM, said:

nah, i'm going to bed, shattered

Macros, on 28 April 2016 - 05:47 AM, said:

Im up, will have tike this morning to sit down tonlaptop before heading to work

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 07:16 AM, said:

Here and reading up.

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

Okay, I need to do more reading up on a few people, but I wanted to say that I find it a little odd that people with fewer posts than me are saying I've been quiet. I've been as active as I normally am, barring that first RL day when I had some other things going on. In fact, I've still managed to be in the top 4 or 5 posters If you're intimating that I'm usually an even higher poster than sorry, but you're wrong. Me being among the very top posters is usually a result of surviving deep into the game rather than being a spambot - think about last game, for example.


In any case, I have more of an issue with the current discussion of what HAS to be the scum kill, or what HAS to be the vig kill. There's simply no way to know from the thread with any real degree of certainty, and the rigid conclusions that a couple of people seem to be drawing on the intentions behind the kills is not something I think is particularly helpful at this stage, without more information. Hell, how do we know that it's not two independent killers rather than scum and vig?! No, I do not think that's likely, but my point is we can't be sure of anything from one night's worth of results. The vote train and the lead up to the lynch is what I'll be focusing on then.

There was something else I wanted to reply to but I've forgotten what it is.

[Khellendros]

Subtly directing? I've been extremely open and explicit, mentioning several times, my reasoning for that deliberately leading Andorion post. So please don't try and suddenly paint it as some subtle shenanigan scummy shit that it is not.

And thanks for the wall of posts without comment, really insightful

[Tattersail_]

Lady Bliss, on 28 April 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 12:05 PM, said:

<snip>
from Tatts:

I see your points regarding the assumptions. Like I said earlier, there is that elephant, the one over there, but we mustn't talk about it until we get more information. Like 2 deaths, or a cult CF like Mess mentioned. Which is fair enough.

<snip>Khell. I know that I <snip>kill per night, <snip>i<snip> may have <snip> some inside knowledge.

we can all snip to suit our agenda Bliss. At least Khell quotes Andorion mentioning a town vig. Otherwise what I said could be taken out of context no?

[Tattersail_]

That wall of texts does have comment, the one just above it listing that wall of text as examples of both of your excused throughout the game. I'd say Mascros is more subtle but you are also leading town by the nose.

Out of Nom, HO, and Kitsu you voted Nom, whatever excuse you lay down that vote turned out to be full of crap, same as Macros' accusations.

[Tattersail_]

7 games won as scum Khell, good going. Not this one though.

Vote Khell


Started the train day one, and starting to lead the way day 2.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

That wall of texts does have comment, the one just above it listing that wall of text as examples of both of your excused throughout the game. I'd say Mascros is more subtle but you are also leading town by the nose.

Out of Nom, HO, and Kitsu you voted Nom, whatever excuse you lay down that vote turned out to be full of crap, same as Macros' accusations.

You're absolutely right Tatts, I turned out to be wrong. But then, so were what, 8 other people who also voted Nom? I didn't ask anyone to follow me, I went with what I believed at the time was the best shot. Na dthose 8 are not including the people like you who decided to pile on 'just in case votes didn't count'.

You, on the other hand, were pretty sure of yourself that Nom would be inno. Why would that be less suspicious?


As for excuses, I don't even know what you're trying to suggest with that. I said I wouldn't be around for a while at a time when I usually would be posting, and I wasn't. Later on, some said I seemed to be posting less - that simply isn't the case and I've set the record straight on that.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:33 PM, said:

7 games won as scum Khell, good going. Not this one though.

Vote Khell


Started the train day one, and starting to lead the way day 2.

You're right I won't be winning this one as scum. Guess why.

What exactly am I starting to lead on day 2? Because I did some posts on you? After saying I want to look again at Tatts, Kitsu, and HO (and yes, I intend to do the other two)? Well, that doesn't make your vote on me surprising, because you did the same thing with Blend yesterday. And let's not forget that Mess had some arguments with you yesterday, so today he is automatically the symp.


With you voting first, is it not you 'leading the way'?

[Khellendros]

And are you seriously using my record in past games - which also selectively only looks at games where I was scum - to accuse me in this one???

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 01:34 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

That wall of texts does have comment, the one just above it listing that wall of text as examples of both of your excused throughout the game. I'd say Mascros is more subtle but you are also leading town by the nose.

Out of Nom, HO, and Kitsu you voted Nom, whatever excuse you lay down that vote turned out to be full of crap, same as Macros' accusations.

You're absolutely right Tatts, I turned out to be wrong. But then, so were what, 8 other people who also voted Nom? I didn't ask anyone to follow me, I went with what I believed at the time was the best shot. Na dthose 8 are not including the people like you who decided to pile on 'just in case votes didn't count'.

You, on the other hand, were pretty sure of yourself that Nom would be inno. Why would that be less suspicious?


As for excuses, I don't even know what you're trying to suggest with that. I said I wouldn't be around for a while at a time when I usually would be posting, and I wasn't. Later on, some said I seemed to be posting less - that simply isn't the case and I've set the record straight on that.

Exactly, self preservation seems to be the key eh Khell, explaining your absences, explaining your posting habits, just putting people's minds at ease? Guilty conscience? We've see scum do that countless times. You've been a bit defensive this game from the get go.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 01:39 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:33 PM, said:

7 games won as scum Khell, good going. Not this one though.

Vote Khell


Started the train day one, and starting to lead the way day 2.

You're right I won't be winning this one as scum. Guess why.

What exactly am I starting to lead on day 2? Because I did some posts on you? After saying I want to look again at Tatts, Kitsu, and HO (and yes, I intend to do the other two)? Well, that doesn't make your vote on me surprising, because you did the same thing with Blend yesterday. And let's not forget that Mess had some arguments with you yesterday, so today he is automatically the symp.


With you voting first, is it not you 'leading the way'?

I already was suspicious of you and Mac from the early game, and Mess' post voting you and using Mac as a platform.

I was all set on voting Mac, but either of you seem like a good choice today for scum.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 01:34 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

That wall of texts does have comment, the one just above it listing that wall of text as examples of both of your excused throughout the game. I'd say Mascros is more subtle but you are also leading town by the nose.

Out of Nom, HO, and Kitsu you voted Nom, whatever excuse you lay down that vote turned out to be full of crap, same as Macros' accusations.

You're absolutely right Tatts, I turned out to be wrong. But then, so were what, 8 other people who also voted Nom? I didn't ask anyone to follow me, I went with what I believed at the time was the best shot. Na dthose 8 are not including the people like you who decided to pile on 'just in case votes didn't count'.

You, on the other hand, were pretty sure of yourself that Nom would be inno. Why would that be less suspicious?


As for excuses, I don't even know what you're trying to suggest with that. I said I wouldn't be around for a while at a time when I usually would be posting, and I wasn't. Later on, some said I seemed to be posting less - that simply isn't the case and I've set the record straight on that.

Exactly, self preservation seems to be the key eh Khell, explaining your absences, explaining your posting habits, just putting people's minds at ease? Guilty conscience? We've see scum do that countless times. You've been a bit defensive this game from the get go.

I'll call out poorly thought-out and facetious comments wherever I see them - any game, any role. Like this one, for example.


And if I was scum, it certainly wouldn't lead to a 'guilty conscience'

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:43 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 01:39 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:33 PM, said:

7 games won as scum Khell, good going. Not this one though.

Vote Khell


Started the train day one, and starting to lead the way day 2.

You're right I won't be winning this one as scum. Guess why.

What exactly am I starting to lead on day 2? Because I did some posts on you? After saying I want to look again at Tatts, Kitsu, and HO (and yes, I intend to do the other two)? Well, that doesn't make your vote on me surprising, because you did the same thing with Blend yesterday. And let's not forget that Mess had some arguments with you yesterday, so today he is automatically the symp.


With you voting first, is it not you 'leading the way'?

I already was suspicious of you and Mac from the early game, and Mess' post voting you and using Mac as a platform.

I was all set on voting Mac, but either of you seem like a good choice today for scum.

Oh yeah, and I wonder what made you decide on going for me out of the two. Gee, really could be anything. Not at all the fact that I commented on your posting just before

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 01:48 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:43 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 01:39 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:33 PM, said:

7 games won as scum Khell, good going. Not this one though.

Vote Khell


Started the train day one, and starting to lead the way day 2.

You're right I won't be winning this one as scum. Guess why.

What exactly am I starting to lead on day 2? Because I did some posts on you? After saying I want to look again at Tatts, Kitsu, and HO (and yes, I intend to do the other two)? Well, that doesn't make your vote on me surprising, because you did the same thing with Blend yesterday. And let's not forget that Mess had some arguments with you yesterday, so today he is automatically the symp.


With you voting first, is it not you 'leading the way'?

I already was suspicious of you and Mac from the early game, and Mess' post voting you and using Mac as a platform.

I was all set on voting Mac, but either of you seem like a good choice today for scum.

Oh yeah, and I wonder what made you decide on going for me out of the two. Gee, really could be anything. Not at all the fact that I commented on your posting just before

My post was already done. Your thoughts on Mac?

[Khellendros]

I'm off for a while for work. Just getting that 'excuse' in now

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 01:48 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:43 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 01:39 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:33 PM, said:

7 games won as scum Khell, good going. Not this one though.

Vote Khell


Started the train day one, and starting to lead the way day 2.

You're right I won't be winning this one as scum. Guess why.

What exactly am I starting to lead on day 2? Because I did some posts on you? After saying I want to look again at Tatts, Kitsu, and HO (and yes, I intend to do the other two)? Well, that doesn't make your vote on me surprising, because you did the same thing with Blend yesterday. And let's not forget that Mess had some arguments with you yesterday, so today he is automatically the symp.


With you voting first, is it not you 'leading the way'?

I already was suspicious of you and Mac from the early game, and Mess' post voting you and using Mac as a platform.

I was all set on voting Mac, but either of you seem like a good choice today for scum.

Oh yeah, and I wonder what made you decide on going for me out of the two. Gee, really could be anything. Not at all the fact that I commented on your posting just before

My post was already done. Your thoughts on Mac?

None either way. Haven't looked at him so far. Perhaps when I return.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

I'm around but a bit busy to post much.

Cough cough. Pot. Kettle.


Alright, really off!

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 2. 15 hours and 18 minutes remain

14 players alive: ADemonLlama, Andorion, Blend, Bubba, Coltain93, Dhenrabi, Gust Hubb, HiddenOne, Just Plain Kitsu, Khellendros, Lady Bliss, Macros, Tapper, Tattersail

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to night.

Votes:

1 vote for Khellendros (Tattersail)


Players not voted: ADemonLlama, Andorion, Blend, Bubba, Coltain93, Dhenrabi, Gust Hubb, HiddenOne, Just Plain Kitsu, Khellendros, Lady Bliss, Macros, Tapper

-Mess