[Tsundoku]

Substituted Australian for 'Murrican and scored 62.

[Morgoth]

QuickTidal, on 28 March 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

Those questions are ridiculous, and the quiz is bollocks. I took it and applied the Canadian equivalent and it doesn't even get close to me. It's like someone sat down and said "These are the things that make ME believe that someone ELSE (that I don't know) is living in a cultural bubble" = Science.

Which is not the case.

How would you know that the questions are not scientifically sound? Where the method flawed, or is it just because you didn't get the score you wanted?

I tried to substitute this for Norway, which was tricky, but I ended up with a 23. For instance norway has one of the highest concentrations of university degrees in the world, so there will always be a lot of those around me no matter where I live.

This post has been edited by Morgoth: 28 March 2016 - 12:51 PM

[Andorion]

Morgoth, on 28 March 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 28 March 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

Those questions are ridiculous, and the quiz is bollocks. I took it and applied the Canadian equivalent and it doesn't even get close to me. It's like someone sat down and said "These are the things that make ME believe that someone ELSE (that I don't know) is living in a cultural bubble" = Science.

Which is not the case.

How would you know that the questions are not scientifically sound? Where the method flawed, or is it just because you didn't get the score you wanted?

I tried to substitute this for Norway, which was tricky, but I ended up with a 23. For instance norway has one of the highest concentrations of university degrees in the world, so there will always be a lot of those around me no matter where I live.

I found it pretty tough to modify the questions. Especially the Restaurants one. I am pretty sure those brands have some sort of cultural connotations in the US, but its difficult to translate. And having TV shows as a criteria.... I barely watch TV. Any TV

[Arthur Dayne]

72, but I served in the military and have lived on very little when I started and traveled alot. Sheltered would not adequately describe my upbringing.

[QuickTidal]

Morgoth, on 28 March 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 28 March 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

Those questions are ridiculous, and the quiz is bollocks. I took it and applied the Canadian equivalent and it doesn't even get close to me. It's like someone sat down and said "These are the things that make ME believe that someone ELSE (that I don't know) is living in a cultural bubble" = Science.

Which is not the case.

How would you know that the questions are not scientifically sound? Where the method flawed, or is it just because you didn't get the score you wanted?

I tried to substitute this for Norway, which was tricky, but I ended up with a 23. For instance norway has one of the highest concentrations of university degrees in the world, so there will always be a lot of those around me no matter where I live.

The idea that what I choose to watch somehow denotes what they imply it does, or where I have lived informs my life and how I should be perceived rankles me. The small activities that someone does in their life does not define them to a degree that I feel someone can accurately say "Well, you've lived in a bubble". I say that after having tried it out and seen that it's completely wrong about me. If this WERE in any way scientific, it would have 200 questions, most of them far more subtle than asking me what TV I watched in any given year...and then listing out a bunch for me to pick from.

That's just my two cents.

EDIT: I'll admit my reaction may seem over the top, but this kind of thing really gets to me because of my childhood and how people have always assumed they can fit me into a neat little box with a smattering of questions.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 28 March 2016 - 04:43 PM

[Morgoth]

I understand how that sort of thing would rankle. I come from a country where class is something most people don't relate to, though there are inclinations of that changing here too with the growing wealth inequality, so I'm kind of oblivious to that sort of thing.

Still, I don't think there's any sort of judgement. Rather (I admit I'm guessing here) there could very well be statistical correlations tied to, say, your choice in beer. Or television. That does obviously not mean that you are a specific kind of individual because of those choices. It's just statistically more likely that you fit within whichever metric they're using.

This post has been edited by Morgoth: 28 March 2016 - 05:09 PM

[HiddenOne]

61

[amphibian]

QuickTidal, on 28 March 2016 - 02:20 PM, said:

The idea that what I choose to watch somehow denotes what they imply it does, or where I have lived informs my life and how I should be perceived rankles me. The small activities that someone does in their life does not define them to a degree that I feel someone can accurately say "Well, you've lived in a bubble". I say that after having tried it out and seen that it's completely wrong about me. If this WERE in any way scientific, it would have 200 questions, most of them far more subtle than asking me what TV I watched in any given year...and then listing out a bunch for me to pick from.

That's just my two cents.

EDIT: I'll admit my reaction may seem over the top, but this kind of thing really gets to me because of my childhood and how people have always assumed they can fit me into a neat little box with a smattering of questions.

Where you live is one of the most important factors in your life (for most people, who aren't globetrotters).

It shapes you because you build your expectations, your daily routine, the people you regularly encounter, and maybe even your wants off where you live. And that was probably heavily influenced by your parents before you.

This is not a perfect quiz, but it does show you a range that statistically, you probably fall within. The questions do skew towards giving higher points for being rural and white (probably highest % of people who live in a cultural bubble while not living in a financial bubble), so that is different from being a city dweller and/or a PoC.

I guess my point is that there are a couple types of bubbles here being talked about - cultural and financial.

[Mezla PigDog]

I'm sorry I can't hear your question because I live in a bubble.

[QuickTidal]

amphibian, on 28 March 2016 - 07:23 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 28 March 2016 - 02:20 PM, said:

The idea that what I choose to watch somehow denotes what they imply it does, or where I have lived informs my life and how I should be perceived rankles me. The small activities that someone does in their life does not define them to a degree that I feel someone can accurately say "Well, you've lived in a bubble". I say that after having tried it out and seen that it's completely wrong about me. If this WERE in any way scientific, it would have 200 questions, most of them far more subtle than asking me what TV I watched in any given year...and then listing out a bunch for me to pick from.

That's just my two cents.

EDIT: I'll admit my reaction may seem over the top, but this kind of thing really gets to me because of my childhood and how people have always assumed they can fit me into a neat little box with a smattering of questions.

Where you live is one of the most important factors in your life (for most people, who aren't globetrotters).

It shapes you because you build your expectations, your daily routine, the people you regularly encounter, and maybe even your wants off where you live. And that was probably heavily influenced by your parents before you.

This is not a perfect quiz, but it does show you a range that statistically, you probably fall within. The questions do skew towards giving higher points for being rural and white (probably highest % of people who live in a cultural bubble while not living in a financial bubble), so that is different from being a city dweller and/or a PoC.

I guess my point is that there are a couple types of bubbles here being talked about - cultural and financial.

I get that's the intention, but I disagree with the execution. I could live in the city (which I do) and not interact with ppl on Public transit by taking my car everywhere, or choose not to shop in certain stores and never interact with people who live all around me. And vice versa. None of this is at all influenced by my parents, who raised me in a lower middle class suburb, then an affluent suburb, then an apartment and townhouse (both rentals) near the poverty line (still in that affluent suburb). They never lived in the city (like I now do), nor have they ever.

I'm sorry, I'm just not buying that this is feasible at discerning much from a varied populace. But then Canada is more different than the States I guess? I just don't fit conveniently into any category with 20 questions, nor do those people in my family who are POC (my grandmother and her mom for example, one a fully Japanese immigrant and the other a mixed race child shuffled from school to school in various locations both suburbs and city.)'

[Grief]

amphibian, on 28 March 2016 - 07:23 PM, said:

This is not a perfect quiz, but it does show you a range that statistically, you probably fall within. The questions do skew towards giving higher points for being rural and white (probably highest % of people who live in a cultural bubble while not living in a financial bubble), so that is different from being a city dweller and/or a PoC.

I also suspect it tends to skew higher just for being older, which may or may not reflect the degree to which someone lives in a bubble. I can see arguments either way. We could simply argue that more life experience=less of a bubble and that youth can be a bit of a bubble in itself. On the other hand, as time passes, people are just more likely to have certain experiences. Does this really reflect that someone lives in less of a bubble than a younger person, or simply that they've lived in the same bubble for longer? I think there's an underlying problem here, of the quiz splicing different sorts of 'bubble' together into a single score. I don't think people really live in a single bubble; if anything, they live in a mixture of overlapping bubbles.

It would be more useful to have several different sets of quiz, that accounted for various age ranges, locations and other such factors for a more detailed breakdown. I think it's probably more useful to measure how much you live in a bubble relative to those around you (in terms of age, geography, or in other ways), rather than aiming for some sort of 'one size fits all' measure.

[Gnaw]

QuickTidal, on 28 March 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

Those questions are ridiculous, and the quiz is bollocks. I took it and applied the Canadian equivalent and it doesn't even get close to me. It's like someone sat down and said "These are the things that make ME believe that someone ELSE (that I don't know) is living in a cultural bubble" = Science.

Which is not the case.

Agree completely.




"I was prompted to use this question because of a personal experience." Anecdotal =/= evidence

[Lycaenion]

I got 38 points. I grew up in the Netherlands, and I guess you could say my family (single mom + little sister) is working-class (maybe edging towards middle-class?). I'm POC, I don't drink, and I watch a lot of shows and movies, but almost none of those mentioned (WHERE'S MAD MAX: FURY ROAD, huh?! ). It's hard to think of Dutch equivalents for most of the questions. But a first-generation upper-middle-class person with middle-class parents? Yeah...no.

This post has been edited by Lycaenion: 29 March 2016 - 04:21 AM

[Grimjust Bearegular]

Morgoth, on 28 March 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 28 March 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

Those questions are ridiculous, and the quiz is bollocks. I took it and applied the Canadian equivalent and it doesn't even get close to me. It's like someone sat down and said "These are the things that make ME believe that someone ELSE (that I don't know) is living in a cultural bubble" = Science.

Which is not the case.

How would you know that the questions are not scientifically sound? Where the method flawed, or is it just because you didn't get the score you wanted?

I tried to substitute this for Norway, which was tricky, but I ended up with a 23. For instance norway has one of the highest concentrations of university degrees in the world, so there will always be a lot of those around me no matter where I live.

I substituted for Norway, and used my experience from when I lived in the US wherever possible. I got a 53. But I grew up Norwegian-poor and was one of the first people in my family to get a college degree.

[Morgoth]

Grimjust Bearegular, on 04 April 2016 - 09:21 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 28 March 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 28 March 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

Those questions are ridiculous, and the quiz is bollocks. I took it and applied the Canadian equivalent and it doesn't even get close to me. It's like someone sat down and said "These are the things that make ME believe that someone ELSE (that I don't know) is living in a cultural bubble" = Science.

Which is not the case.

How would you know that the questions are not scientifically sound? Where the method flawed, or is it just because you didn't get the score you wanted?

I tried to substitute this for Norway, which was tricky, but I ended up with a 23. For instance norway has one of the highest concentrations of university degrees in the world, so there will always be a lot of those around me no matter where I live.

I substituted for Norway, and used my experience from when I lived in the US wherever possible. I got a 53. But I grew up Norwegian-poor and was one of the first people in my family to get a college degree.

My mother holds something like five complete degrees, though none of them led to any sort of gainful employment. Her job these days is entierly unrelated to all that philosophy, history and litterature.

[Obdigore]

25.

Apparently I live in a huge bubble because I don't drink mass produced beers (does Leinenkugels count? not sure), have no idea what my peers GPA is, I've never lived on a farm, and I don't watch TV.

If those are the cultural touchstones of an 'average american', then I'm happy in my bubble I guess?

This post has been edited by Obdigore: 04 April 2016 - 12:51 PM

[Maark Abbott]

I live in a bubble, but that's because I rolled Paladin.

[Princess]

As a non-American a lot of these didn't really apply to me, like the question about Branson, Avon products or lettering in highschool (whatever that is), so i got a 29.

[Vengeance]

36

I had a couple of issues with this. First I grew up in a ranching community. A wealthy ranching community by any standards. But based on the questions it seemed like rural = poor. Which is an piss poor assumption to make. Second while I grew up country I know a lot of pure city guys who like to fly fish. Guys who will get dropped into back woods of Alaska to go to a river during a salmon run. So fishing as an indicating of status is glaring and an indication of bad modeling. Then there is the assumption that you have to watch network tv. This thought completely discounts the trend of cord cutting. I feel like this researchers approach was designed with an end goal in mind and structured as such.

[Abyss]

Canadadized... got a 19.

ELITISM WOOHOOO!!!!!!!