[SuperWho]

Thanks for these explanations. The situation is the battle at Coral, actually the ambush just before that, so I think your first interpretation is the right one. Thank you

[Nevyn]

SuperWho, on 05 March 2016 - 03:14 PM, said:

Hello guys, can you help me with this passage please ?

"The abandonmentand all it signified darkened his mood momentarily.

'Even for me,' Humbrall Taur growled beside him, 'itis an unwelcome sight.'

Whiskeyjack sighed.

'We approach the city, yes?'

The Malazan nodded. 'Perhaps another day.'"

I don't quite understand why Whiskeyjack nods but basically answers no just after that. Is there a logic I'm missing there?

Humbrall is asking if they are getting close to their destination. Whiskeyjack nods (yes) and says it will perhaps take one more day to get there.

[SuperWho]

Thanks for confirming mate

[SuperWho]

Hi again,

Ok this one is bothering me :

'Return to your squad. And tell Picker to keep her lads and lasses tight and out of the scrap - you're to remain on that far flank, watching the city. If the condors suddenly show, get back to me as fast as possible.'

About the "keep people tight" thing, is Quick Ben saying that Picker should keep her squad members close to her or does it mean she should keep them alert, on the lookout ?

Apart from that, why do you think Erikson used mundane names for some of his characters ? Like Mallet for exemple. I mean I could use the strict French translation for that but if I can create something based on some king of secret meaning, it's for the best, you know what I mean. Still, I feel, after doing some research, don't really have a signification, am I right ? Is it important for you that these names are "meaningless" ?

Cheers guys !

This post has been edited by SuperWho: 31 May 2016 - 12:26 PM

[worry]

I take it as meaning close-by. Keep everyone together, no stragglers, so everyone has an eye on everybody (in this precarious situation).

I think all the mundane names have meaning, but that meaning isn't necessarily profound, nor are we always made privy to it. You get an in-world reason for why people are named like that though. I forget what book so I won't say what it is.

[champ]

Mallet is a good example actually for some of the names in the Malazan universe.

He's a healer, funny that you call your healer the equivalent of a hammer. Some names are earned as worry says.

[SuperWho]

Thanks for your help guys, I try to give them names that suit their character/function based on latin, greek and even german roots.

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You get an in-world reason for why people are named like that though. I forget what book

If anyone recalls the title of said book, I'm highly interested In Memories of Ice, you get to know why Blend is called like that (ability to "vanish")

This post has been edited by SuperWho: 01 June 2016 - 08:08 AM

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

We don't get to find out why every specific character gets their name, but (minor spoilers first half the series)

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All the soldiers, at least, are given names by other soldiers, either during training or later on. These nicknames are meant to signify them starting their new lives and leaving their old ones behind. They also often describe a character trait, but not always.

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[SuperWho]

Thanks a lot mate !

This post has been edited by SuperWho: 07 June 2016 - 12:31 PM

[Gorefest]

worry, on 31 May 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

I think all the mundane names have meaning, but that meaning isn't necessarily profound, nor are we always made privy to it. You get an in-world reason for why people are named like that though. I forget what book so I won't say what it is.

It does strike me that perhaps the forum is missing an obvious angle. This is actually the first forum I have come across where members can change their user name. But what if, instead, their name would be chosen for them by other contributors based on how those contributors perceive them? Or we could have a designated drill sergeant to give out names....

Once seen, it cannot be unseen.

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[Whisperzzzzzzz]

Gorefest, on 08 June 2016 - 11:39 AM, said:

worry, on 31 May 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

I think all the mundane names have meaning, but that meaning isn't necessarily profound, nor are we always made privy to it. You get an in-world reason for why people are named like that though. I forget what book so I won't say what it is.

It does strike me that perhaps the forum is missing an obvious angle. This is actually the first forum I have come across where members can change their user name. But what if, instead, their name would be chosen for them by other contributors based on how those contributors perceive them? Or we could have a designated drill sergeant to give out names....

Once seen, it cannot be unseen.

Well, I think my name was given to me by either Apt or Abyss. I usually go by TheWhisper, but they changed it to what I have now...

I like your idea.

This post has been edited by Whisperzzzzzzz: 08 June 2016 - 12:58 PM

[Nevyn]

The 'mundane' names are mostly for the Malazan soldiers, and are generally not their given names.

The in world reason for why comes down to Braven Tooth training most of the Malazan soldiers, and giving them these 'names'. Not all are given by him, but he seems to have started the tradition.

The out of world reason could come down to having so many named characters from so many locations and races, and not wanting to have to agonize over good names and language standards to give each.

[Abyss]

Whisperzzzzzzz, on 08 June 2016 - 12:57 PM, said:

... I think my name was given to me by ...Abyss. I usually go by TheWhisper, but they changed it to what I have now...

Hey, you ASKED for it to be changed. Not my fault you weren't spezzzzzzzific.

[Gorefest]

Indeed. Just think, it could have been Twitzzzzzzzzzzzz.

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[SuperWho]

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It does strike me that perhaps the forum is missing an obvious angle. This is actually the first forum I have come across where members can change their user name. But what if, instead, their name would be chosen for them by other contributors based on how those contributors perceive them? Or we could have a designated drill sergeant to give out names....<br style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 11.7px; line-height: 19.5px; background-color: rgb(24, 24, 24);">

Well that's surely something that's quite interesting, but it could give an immense way to trolls

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The 'mundane' names are mostly for the Malazan soldiers, and are generally not their given names.The in world reason for why comes down to Braven Tooth training most of the Malazan soldiers, and giving them these 'names'. Not all are given by him, but he seems to have started the tradition.The out of world reason could come down to having so many named characters from so many locations and races, and not wanting to have to agonize over good names and language standards to give each.

Oh yes, I remember Braven Tooth now ! Thanks !

Another question for you guys : am I right in thinking that I should keep a basic translation for "weave" in French, like the verb we use to designate the making of clothing ? Because I came across this word quite a lot recently, and it's always somehow linked to sorcery. Here are some examples :


- Death-magic punched through the protective weave of chaotic sorcery like a spearpoint through chain armour, plunged into the man's chest.



- Paran was almost invisible within a writhing, shadow-woven Hound. Not a Soletaken - nota veering. These are two creatures - man and beast — woven together… somehow. And the power behind it— it's Shadow. Kurald Emurlahn.

- On the ramp, the first legion had reformed and were doggedly marching upward once more, three Seerdomin mages in the lead. Webs of sorcery wove protective cloaks about them.

This post has been edited by SuperWho: 08 June 2016 - 03:19 PM

[Gorefest]

SuperWho, on 08 June 2016 - 03:09 PM, said:

Well that's surely something that's quite interesting, but it could give an immense way to trolls

As if Braven Tooth wasn't the biggest troll of them all? It'd be completely in character.

Regarding the weaving: yeah, it's like weaving threads in a fabric, but using magic instead of string. It's just a metaphor. So you have the type of magic where you bluntly bash around with magic fireballs, and then you have the type where you intricately weave an occult spell or pattern. It indicates a more subtle or complicated form of spellcasting. So you can probably just stick to 'tisser'.

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[Abyss]

SuperWho, on 08 June 2016 - 03:09 PM, said:

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Another question for you guys : am I right in thinking that I should keep a basic translation for "weave" in French, like the verb we use to designate the making of clothing ? Because I came across this word quite a lot recently, and it's always somehow linked to sorcery. Here are some examples :


- Death-magic punched through the protective weave ofchaotic sorcery like a spearpoint through chain armour, plunged into the man'schest.- Paran was almost invisible within a writhing,shadow-woven Hound. Not a Soletaken - nota veering. These are two creatures - man and beast— woven together… somehow.And the power behind it—it's Shadow. Kurald Emurlahn.

- On the ramp, the first legion had reformed and weredoggedly marching upward once more, three Seerdomin mages in the lead. Webs ofsorcery wove protective cloaks about them.

There are French versions of the entire MBF. Find one and see how they do it.

[Gorefest]

Abyss, on 08 June 2016 - 03:20 PM, said:

There are French versions of the entire MBF. Find one and see how they do it.

Not sure if there actually are, you know. Only the first two books.

[D'rek]

I'm not sure how much I'd want to trust the official french translation editions of GotM/DG, either. They thought a good title for "Deadhouse Gates" would be "Les Portes de la Maison des Morts", after all...

[SuperWho]

I actually bought the first translations but Gorefest is right, only the two first books were translated (I would not be allowed to choose Memories of Ice as a subject otherwise) by two different translators, and even if I haven't read them completely (prefering the English versions), I'm not completely happy with their work. For example, "Cagoule" for "Hood" is not that badass, is it ?

Anyways, I sometimes glance into these translations to see how they did this or that, but what I needed most was a confirmation about how "weave" works in this context from an English speaking reader's perspective, thanks a lot Gorefest ! That really helps and I started to use "tisser" so I think that I'll keep on going this way thanks to you.