[Coco with marshmallows]

saw it tonight, enjoyed it,


got some UBER geeky references to TOS that i picked up on:

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very obvious - the mention of a giant green hand.

Less obvious - 966 days, just under 3 years and things feel episodic.... - TOS ran for 3 seasons, and of course was episodic - gotta love Simon Pegg

Also the scene with the picture made me a little misty eyed.

[amphibian]

This movie is the best violent dr who extended and self contained episode ever. And that's perfect for Star Trek.

There are several moments that are so honest to the gods fucking stupid and yet pulled off with elan and style, so you don't mind in the slightest. It's genuinely fun to watch and reminds me that what Jupiter Ascending really missed was real sense of tension and joy in its characters. Somehow that movie was flat and thus a bigger mess and this one skates right by those air blades with ease.

[Salt-Man Z]

Sexy Gumbo, on 22 July 2016 - 11:18 PM, said:

I saw 1st at theater and mostly saw red as it dawned on me this was an Alt Uni version.

That was just the red matter!

Sexy Gumbo, on 23 July 2016 - 04:28 AM, said:

Was there any tribute to Nimoy and Anton in credits?

Yes to both, so I've read.

[Werthead]

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Was there any tribute to Nimoy and Anton in credits?

Yes, and in the film itself:

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Old Spock dies off-screen and Young Spock learns about this. It informs his character arc through the film as he struggles with what he wants - to stay in Starfleet - and what he feels his duty should be - helping the Vulcans rebuild. The dilemma is resolved when he is sent Old Spock's belongings and finds a picture of the Enterprise crew from way down the line (I think it's a publicity shot from ST6) and realises that's where his home is.

Anton obviously died long after they completed shooting, but there is one moment where Kirk says, "To absent friends" and offers a toast, and the camera lingers on Anton for a few seconds. Might be a coincidence or might have been something they did in editing.

The credits get "In memory of Leonard Nimoy" and then, more simply, "For Anton".

[Mezla PigDog]

Saw it. Loved it. However I'm a Trek purist and there's just slightly too much light relief in there. Damnit man, focus on the science.

This post has been edited by Mezla PigDog: 27 July 2016 - 10:24 PM

[amphibian]

What differentiates Trek from Dr Who?

[QuickTidal]

amphibian, on 27 July 2016 - 10:28 PM, said:

What differentiates Trek from Dr Who?

I'm just going to pretend you didn't ask a question that is the equivalent of "what differentiates oranges and fire trucks"?

[amphibian]

QuickTidal, on 28 July 2016 - 12:53 AM, said:

amphibian, on 27 July 2016 - 10:28 PM, said:

What differentiates Trek from Dr Who?

I'm just going to pretend you didn't ask a question that is the equivalent of "what differentiates oranges and fire trucks"?

One has a special box people definitely wank off in and the other IS the special box people definitely wank off in.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Saw it last night, was good. I felt the effort to be more star trekky, which was nice. My biggest complaint was the cinematography. Too much shaky cam in fights, too much 3D ( I saw the 2D) pandering in obvious "oooh look at the 3D" shots. A lot of strange confused perspective where you don't know at first if the camera is panning under the action or over it or to the side or what. It also seemed to get blurry which seemed to be a result of it being intended for 3D.

Better than the last for sure, despite any flaws. Good enough that I hope they make another.

[Tsundoku]

Just saw it. Comments that it's like a longer version of a classic episode are on the money, lots of little nods and just as many plot holes and technobabble in the right places. Left me a little cold though, don't know why. A little ... unengaging?

It was OK though, 3 Inception-ripoff space stations out of 5.

[Nevyn]

Tsundoku, on 02 August 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

Just saw it. Comments that it's like a longer version of a classic episode are on the money, lots of little nods and just as many plot holes and technobabble in the right places. Left me a little cold though, don't know why. A little ... unengaging?

It was OK though, 3 Inception-ripoff space stations out of 5.

Except classic episodes were not essentially action films.

It had all manner of cute callbacks and was mostly enjoyable, but big screen Trek will always be quite different from little screen.

If anything a bit too cute at times early on.

And a bigger plot complaint:

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Did anyone else find that ancient ultimate weapon not all THAT ultimate?

I mean, you need to get direct access to a target environment in order to have it have any effect, and need some measure of containment to both protect yourself from it and regather it once it is done.

In the grand scheme of things the swarm ships that the bad guy has all along, and which are immune to everything but the beastie boys, are far more fearsome, taking down starships in minutes. If they had just surprise attacked that base before Enterprise even went out, they probably could have wiped it out without the 'ultimate weapon'.

They also (in the name of spending time on adventure and having the bad guy be a big reveal) didn't explain much of how the bad guy got where he was. Ok, stranded with a couple crew on an alien planet. Find alien technology that lets you suck out life force. But how he manages to build a hive fleet, get crew serving him without question to pilot it (rather a lot of Kamikazes) as even though they appear to be hive controlled, they do apparently have pilots. And then start hacking the galaxy looking for an ancient weapon.

Still fun, but a little underdeveloped. Typical of the modern action movie. Keep you entertained and keep things moving so you don't think about it too much.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Nevyn, on 02 August 2016 - 02:02 PM, said:

Tsundoku, on 02 August 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

Just saw it. Comments that it's like a longer version of a classic episode are on the money, lots of little nods and just as many plot holes and technobabble in the right places. Left me a little cold though, don't know why. A little ... unengaging?

It was OK though, 3 Inception-ripoff space stations out of 5.

Except classic episodes were not essentially action films.

It had all manner of cute callbacks and was mostly enjoyable, but big screen Trek will always be quite different from little screen.

If anything a bit too cute at times early on.

And a bigger plot complaint:

Spoiler

Did anyone else find that ancient ultimate weapon not all THAT ultimate?

I mean, you need to get direct access to a target environment in order to have it have any effect, and need some measure of containment to both protect yourself from it and regather it once it is done.

In the grand scheme of things the swarm ships that the bad guy has all along, and which are immune to everything but the beastie boys, are far more fearsome, taking down starships in minutes. If they had just surprise attacked that base before Enterprise even went out, they probably could have wiped it out without the 'ultimate weapon'.

They also (in the name of spending time on adventure and having the bad guy be a big reveal) didn't explain much of how the bad guy got where he was. Ok, stranded with a couple crew on an alien planet. Find alien technology that lets you suck out life force. But how he manages to build a hive fleet, get crew serving him without question to pilot it (rather a lot of Kamikazes) as even though they appear to be hive controlled, they do apparently have pilots. And then start hacking the galaxy looking for an ancient weapon.

Still fun, but a little underdeveloped. Typical of the modern action movie. Keep you entertained and keep things moving so you don't think about it too much.

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yeah it was strange that the shields don't have any defense against solid objects. Seems the secret to defeating a federation ship is not phasers or torpedoes, just throw a lot of heavy things at it.

[D'rek]

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 02 August 2016 - 03:59 PM, said:

Nevyn, on 02 August 2016 - 02:02 PM, said:

Tsundoku, on 02 August 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

Just saw it. Comments that it's like a longer version of a classic episode are on the money, lots of little nods and just as many plot holes and technobabble in the right places. Left me a little cold though, don't know why. A little ... unengaging?

It was OK though, 3 Inception-ripoff space stations out of 5.

Except classic episodes were not essentially action films.

It had all manner of cute callbacks and was mostly enjoyable, but big screen Trek will always be quite different from little screen.

If anything a bit too cute at times early on.

And a bigger plot complaint:

Spoiler

Did anyone else find that ancient ultimate weapon not all THAT ultimate?

I mean, you need to get direct access to a target environment in order to have it have any effect, and need some measure of containment to both protect yourself from it and regather it once it is done.

In the grand scheme of things the swarm ships that the bad guy has all along, and which are immune to everything but the beastie boys, are far more fearsome, taking down starships in minutes. If they had just surprise attacked that base before Enterprise even went out, they probably could have wiped it out without the 'ultimate weapon'.

They also (in the name of spending time on adventure and having the bad guy be a big reveal) didn't explain much of how the bad guy got where he was. Ok, stranded with a couple crew on an alien planet. Find alien technology that lets you suck out life force. But how he manages to build a hive fleet, get crew serving him without question to pilot it (rather a lot of Kamikazes) as even though they appear to be hive controlled, they do apparently have pilots. And then start hacking the galaxy looking for an ancient weapon.

Still fun, but a little underdeveloped. Typical of the modern action movie. Keep you entertained and keep things moving so you don't think about it too much.

Spoiler

yeah it was strange that the shields don't have any defense against solid objects. Seems the secret to defeating a federation ship is not phasers or torpedoes, just throw a lot of heavy things at it.

Spoiler

Or even just regular explosive non-photon torpedoes...

[Macros]

Spoiler

a well aimed half brick solves a lot of problems, and arguements

[Nevyn]

Also

Spoiler

The music was meant to throw off the coordination of the planes, but instead of making the attacks uncoordinated with the odd crash, they just blow up.

[Primateus]

Spoiler

Kitchen sink!

[QuickTidal]

Nevyn, on 02 August 2016 - 05:50 PM, said:

Also

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The music was meant to throw off the coordination of the planes, but instead of making the attacks uncoordinated with the odd crash, they just blow up.

Spoiler

...Into each other. That was the goal. Throw off co-ordination and this massive, tightly knit swarm of ships becomes a huge multi-car pileup explosion.

[polishgenius]

Tsundoku, on 02 August 2016 - 08:04 AM, said:

3 Inception-ripoff space stations out of 5.

It makes me sad that anything with buildings not on regular flat ground is immediately Inception-ripoff now.


It's basically an extension on the concept of an Orbital or Halo. Although considerably smaller scale.

[Nevyn]

QuickTidal, on 02 August 2016 - 05:53 PM, said:

Nevyn, on 02 August 2016 - 05:50 PM, said:

Also

Spoiler

The music was meant to throw off the coordination of the planes, but instead of making the attacks uncoordinated with the odd crash, they just blow up.

Spoiler

...Into each other. That was the goal. Throw off co-ordination and this massive, tightly knit swarm of ships becomes a huge multi-car pileup explosion.

Spoiler

Right, but some of them would miss wouldn't they? It should not uniformly blow them up? I mean, it doesn't even really show any course changes. Just within range of the VHF transmission ANDDDDD boom.

And of course the ships outside range of the transmission do not adapt or retreat at all.

[QuickTidal]

Nevyn, on 02 August 2016 - 07:30 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 02 August 2016 - 05:53 PM, said:

Nevyn, on 02 August 2016 - 05:50 PM, said:

Also

Spoiler

The music was meant to throw off the coordination of the planes, but instead of making the attacks uncoordinated with the odd crash, they just blow up.

Spoiler

...Into each other. That was the goal. Throw off co-ordination and this massive, tightly knit swarm of ships becomes a huge multi-car pileup explosion.

Spoiler

Right, but some of them would miss wouldn't they? It should not uniformly blow them up? I mean, it doesn't even really show any course changes. Just within range of the VHF transmission ANDDDDD boom.

And of course the ships outside range of the transmission do not adapt or retreat at all.

Ever been in a multi-car pileup...or seen one on the news? If one goes, they all go like a chain reaction in seconds. But honestly, I think you're looking for nits to pick with this complaint. It's SUPER minor.