[Ryllandaras]

Karosis, on 08 October 2015 - 11:37 PM, said:

Liosan, do you mean your #170 post commenting on my take on the whole Em kerfuffle? There is nothing to respond to as you didn't ask a question or anything. Just your refutation. If you want something specific cleared up, ask, but I think that everything that should have been said on that topic, was. I was never 100% convinced what I proposed but it seems 2 more people are following the same path. Which bring me to Ryll.

Now about Ryll. Even though he kind of repeats what I said as well (or at least now), what is not sitting well with me how he is attacking the same problem with different ideas.

Reading the thread over again, now I see what was bothering me, and Demelain already called him out on it, post #200

Ryll first was saying that Em's vote was a misdirection, and a false signal to Liosan, and now his theory is that in fact that Em's vote is a real signal towards Liosan.

I don't like the flip flopping. Having a "crazy" theory is one thing, but changing the concept while still focusing on the same outcome is another. Seems forced.

Karosis are you saying you don't want me to have a flexible opinion?

How do you see the vote on Liosan then pray tell? You see it one way and one way only then enlighten me.

[Demelain]

Omtose is really bugging me, not only did they disappear from the thread after an aggressive start on D1, when they do post, and they only do that once per day, they just say: KF.

D2: Omtose drops in, says they're willing to vote KF, doesn't actually do so , offers no content on KF, or anything else, and the case just hangs there and stagnates.

D3: No content, just a vote for KF. Says they'll be back in a couple of hours, nothing happens, and the case just hands there again.

I don't think he ever contributed anything on KF, besides a showing willingness to vore or an actual vote. They just went along the tide, as KF was mentioned by others. Never on D1 did they even interact or mention KF.

[Demelain]

Hands = hangs

And also, Omtose, do something. You're stagnating the case and wasting another day.

vote Omtose

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 3. 13 hours 18 minutes left.

There are 9 players left alive: Aparal Forge, Demelain, Kadagar Fant, Karosis, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Ryllandaras

5 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to Night.

3 votes Kadagar Fant: Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose
2 vote Omtose: Kadagar Fant, Demelain
2 vote Liosan: Ryllandaras, Aparal Forge




Players not voted: Karosis, Liosan

[Karosis]

You guys think Omtose is trying to skirt by?

Lets put more pressure on him then.

Vote Omtose

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 3. 9 hours 21 minutes left.

There are 9 players left alive: Aparal Forge, Demelain, Kadagar Fant, Karosis, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Ryllandaras

5 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to Night.

3 votes Kadagar Fant: Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose
3 vote Omtose: Kadagar Fant, Demelain, Karosis,
2 vote Liosan: Ryllandaras, Aparal Forge




Players not voted: Liosan

[Aparal Forge]

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 07:24 AM, said:

Omtose is really bugging me, not only did they disappear from the thread after an aggressive start on D1, when they do post, and they only do that once per day, they just say: KF. D2: Omtose drops in, says they're willing to vote KF, doesn't actually do so , offers no content on KF, or anything else, and the case just hangs there and stagnates. D3: No content, just a vote for KF. Says they'll be back in a couple of hours, nothing happens, and the case just hands there again. I don't think he ever contributed anything on KF, besides a showing willingness to vore or an actual vote. They just went along the tide, as KF was mentioned by others. Never on D1 did they even interact or mention KF.

Karosis, on 09 October 2015 - 01:44 PM, said:

You guys think Omtose is trying to skirt by?Lets put more pressure on him then.Vote Omtose

Apologies. Haven't been here as much as I should have. I agree that Omtose's play became strange after Day 1.

Lets see if he defends himself

Remove Vote

Vote Omtose

[Liosan]

Karosis, on 09 October 2015 - 01:44 PM, said:

You guys think Omtose is trying to skirt by?

Lets put more pressure on him then.

Vote Omtose

i don't like this at all.

first as a standalone post it feels like a drive by. we have like 8-9 hours left in the day, i think the time for pressure votes may have come and gone, especially since omtose hasn't showed up since his own drive by vote (which is pretty scummy too, tbh). almost everyone has voted. karosis, you have only real 2 posts this whole game. 2 posts and then a "pressure vote" to tie up KF and omtose to the point where no matter where I vote, someone has to switch their vote to get a lynch. this is after never mentioning omtose previously...until Dem makes a case and votes omtose. stalling?

Dem has legitimate questions for omtose (which others have already mentioned, myself included), but karosis hops on to even things out fairly quickly and without a lot of reasoning. his promised read up on Ryll (which would have been worthwhile) came down to "summary of other cases is good, ryll is scummy". even when ryll directly responded to karosis, we get an omtose vote instead of a reply.

this looks like deflection intended to stall the KF lynch imo, which just reinforces my suspicions of him.

vote kadagar fant

[Liosan]

to karosis and then AF - if you're looking for answers from omtose it looks more likely that he's gonna get lynched before that has a chance to happen atm. the omtose train went from nothing (1 vote) to L-1 in like the last 6 hours with virtually no activity on thread. don't like it.

[Karosis]

Are you serious? You state that we shouldnt rush the KF vote, even took your vote off and then get mad that I don't vote KF? I stated that I am down to vote him if necessary. I will be around for that. I put a vote another on Omtose to hopefully entice him to post something. You do know we still have several hours?

[Liosan]

Karosis, on 09 October 2015 - 04:23 PM, said:

Are you serious? You state that we shouldnt rush the KF vote, even took your vote off and then get mad that I don't vote KF? I stated that I am down to vote him if necessary. I will be around for that. I put a vote another on Omtose to hopefully entice him to post something. You do know we still have several hours?

everyone has voted at this point. two players are at L-1. I put my vote back on KF because I don't like how the Omtose train came out of nowhere, which makes me think KF is still the right choice (and good thing I didn't agree with you by voting and pressuring omtose or we would already have a lynch).

are you seriously challenging me on a vote that I committed to a long time ago when you just did the same thing out of nowhere in a SINGLE POST?

[Ryllandaras]

Liosan looks as though he is defending Omtose and has actually voted elsewhere. Putting Kadagar at L1. I don't like it. How many votes on Omtose now?

Out of Kadagar and Omtose I'm more inclined to vote the latter.

[Karosis]

Uhh, you are the one that has the problem with it first. Not me. I am not challenging your old vote, I am saying how you are contradicting yourself right now and goin off on a none issue.

[Karosis]

I can hammer on KF, and will if necessary, but not when we still have a few hours to go. If people change their minds and decide to vote Omtose instead, that is their prerogative.

[Karosis]

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 04:37 PM, said:

Liosan looks as though he is defending Omtose and has actually voted elsewhere. Putting Kadagar at L1. I don't like it. How many votes on Omtose now?

Out of Kadagar and Omtose I'm more inclined to vote the latter.

I dont know if defending is the right word but why does he have a problem waiting all of a sudden? He already decided that he wants to and will vote for KF, so one can say he already made up his mind. He took his vote of because he wanted us to talk and have more time, but apparently has a problem with waiting a few more hours and gets super anxious when Omtose gets a few votes.

[Liosan]

Karosis, on 09 October 2015 - 04:47 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 04:37 PM, said:

Liosan looks as though he is defending Omtose and has actually voted elsewhere. Putting Kadagar at L1. I don't like it. How many votes on Omtose now?

Out of Kadagar and Omtose I'm more inclined to vote the latter.

I dont know if defending is the right word but why does he have a problem waiting all of a sudden? He already decided that he wants to and will vote for KF, so one can say he already made up his mind. He took his vote of because he wanted us to talk and have more time, but apparently has a problem with waiting a few more hours and gets super anxious when Omtose gets a few votes.

i removed from KF 24 hours ago to prevent a hammer and allow for discussion and since then like 20 posts have been made, a third of those by me myself, and the rest is just the omtose train building. this was all with no input from him, a shitty readup on ryll from you, another [quote_block + vote - reasoning] post from AF...not much else.

sorry, was a full 2/3rds of the game day of me waiting to put my vote back not long enough for you? in fact, YOUR vote is keeping omtose at L-1, meaning i or anyone else could hammer at anytime. how can you say you really are waiting to hear from him if you're not only on the lynch train but not even bothering to try to keep him alive long enough to reply?

i'm not upset for you not voting KF (i have no idea where that is coming from btw), i dislike the way the omtose train magically appeared in just a few hours late in the day and i dislike that people who supposedly want to hear from him are voting him and leaving him at L-1.

[Karosis]

Actually its not MY vote that put him at L-1, it is AP's. If you are gonna spew a bunch of shit at least be accurate.

"sorry, was a full 2/3rds of the game day of me waiting to put my vote back not long enough for you?"

Dude, I am not complaining about you, You are the one complaining. I don't give a fuck if you put a vote on him now or later, but you show up and say how its suspicious how I put my vote on Omtose and not KF. You are the one that started complaining about it and now that I explain why I waited (agreed with you we should wait) you totally ignore it and keep repeating that I have some sort of problem with your voting and the timing.

You seriously need some reading comprehension lessons cause you either cant read or purposely ignore everything.

[Karosis]

Remove Vote

There, that makes it only L-1 for KF for now.

[Liosan]

Karosis, on 09 October 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

Actually its not MY vote that put him at L-1, it is AP's. If you are gonna spew a bunch of shit at least be accurate.

"sorry, was a full 2/3rds of the game day of me waiting to put my vote back not long enough for you?"

Dude, I am not complaining about you, You are the one complaining. I don't give a fuck if you put a vote on him now or later, but you show up and say how its suspicious how I put my vote on Omtose and not KF. You are the one that started complaining about it and now that I explain why I waited (agreed with you we should wait) you totally ignore it and keep repeating that I have some sort of problem with your voting and the timing.

You seriously need some reading comprehension lessons cause you either cant read or purposely ignore everything.

i'll try to use small words so you can understand.

AF was the last to vote omtose. duh? his vote PUT omtose at L-1; ANYONE'S vote on omtose (including yours) is now KEEPING him at L-1. clear? your vote keeps omtose at L-1 even if it didn't put him there.

i was not suspicious of you not voting KF. i was suspicious of your omtose vote being a deflection from KF. hell, I had 2 votes at the time...just like omtose. and then the train shifted and now omtose is L-1.

if you really agree with me about waiting, then your argument can't be "let's wait for omtose to explain" anymore, because the day is ending and your vote is keeping him a heartbeat away from the hammer. that's how i see it at least

[Liosan]

Karosis, on 09 October 2015 - 05:43 PM, said:

Remove Vote

There, that makes it only L-1 for KF for now.

ok, THIS is what i have been expecting from someone who is really really interested in hearing omtose's replies.