[Path-Shaper]

Fanderay:

Fanderay, on 05 October 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 05 October 2015 - 03:29 PM, said:

You are a roleless innocent. Your only power is the lynch, so use it well!

make my introductory first post, goes to check messages...

And i loose the roulette again. Shud be fun, ps i love this alt's avatar

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 05:33 PM, said:

also that you made the pw damian as opposed to damien (the way i usually see it written) is causing me many failed logins

[Path-Shaper]

Aparal Forge:

Aparal Forge, on 05 October 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

Ah an RI role. How relaxing!

I love my avatar. Nice to see some new alts being deployed

This isn't actually a new alt, just one that hasn't been used in ages!

Aparal Forge, on 05 October 2015 - 05:46 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 05 October 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 05 October 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

Ah an RI role. How relaxing!

I love my avatar. Nice to see some new alts being deployed

This isn't actually a new alt, just one that hasn't been used in ages!

Well its new to me. Actually there are a couple of other alts I haven't seen before. Like Anomandaris.

Post game you should check out SH - there's a list of all the alts on there. There are something like 75 of them.

Aparal Forge, on 07 October 2015 - 12:45 AM, said:

Sheesh. Leave for 6 hours and they burn the house down.

After that shitstorm of lynch finding scum on the train is going to be difficult.

Aparal Forge, on 07 October 2015 - 12:46 AM, said:

Hey PS you could have made the game more interesting by giving scum, alternate night recruiting powers. You know.... werewolves, biting etc

Aparal Forge, on 08 October 2015 - 02:30 AM, said:

PS can you answer this?

It seems from the CF that the healer is informed that a player has been targeted with a NK before it is resolved. He is given some time to target his heal then. Am I correct?

I won't answer questions about someone else's ability.

[Path-Shaper]

Anomandaris:

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

Got some massive slow down on either the site or on my behalf.

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2015 - 07:50 PM, said:

What in the actual fuck has happened to Mafia? Jesus.

This is why we like it when the old hands come back around - shows the newbies how it SHOULD be done. You're right, Mafia has changed quite a bit!

[Path-Shaper]

Kadagar Fant:

Kadagar Fant, on 05 October 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

You made my password my ex-husbands name.. SERIOUSLY?!

Honestly, I didn't do it on purpose Blissy!! Sorry!

Kadagar Fant, on 05 October 2015 - 04:02 PM, said:

No, can you delete my dupes? Inter web is lagging.

Can't delete them in here, but I deleted your onthread dupe for you!

Kadagar Fant, on 05 October 2015 - 11:13 PM, said:

FFS WHERE THE HELL IS EVERYBODY?!! Shouldn't there be more spamming and baseless accusations?! It has been TOO LONG since I've done this...

Yeah, unfortunately, this is mostly what Mafia has become here these days.

Kadagar Fant, on 06 October 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

Prediction: my thumb typo will get me lynched by some weird twist of mafia logic.

Right now I'm thinking that Omtose was false symping Emur. Did he throw a vote on Rhyll to hide the killer knowing that no one would want to follow his vote? Or is Omtose one of the killers.

Kadagar Fant, on 10 October 2015 - 12:08 AM, said:

what a bunch of fucktards. I guess i'll find out if I was right on scum. Spoiler me please.

[Path-Shaper]

Liosan:

Liosan, on 06 October 2015 - 04:18 PM, said:

Pshhhh I have to symp?! God I'm a much worse symp than killer.

We shall see how this goes. I usually kill my symp in the first few nights. How to avoid the reverse...hmm...

Just ask yourself wwvd and then either do it or the opposite.

-Venge

Liosan, on 06 October 2015 - 05:28 PM, said:

Easy enough.

Although I need to up my game a little bit I am torn between coming in hard like an RI who missed day 1 or chilling out and seeing if Emurlahn takes the heat and gets lynched, at which point I hope I can count on Ryll and Demerlain not to kill me night 1 since I've been a near-modkill so far. No one kills the guy with 1 or 2 posts, right? (Except me...)

So I either need to do that or come in with a really weak signal to Ryll/Dem in my response.

We shall see which way the wind blows.

Liosan, on 06 October 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Blerggggh, Ryll has drawn too much heat and Emur is pushing back now. I need to get in the game and draw heat from Ryll. WHY MUST THE KILLERS GET JUMPY ON DAY ONE.

Liosan, on 08 October 2015 - 08:44 AM, said:

So I asked myself - WWVD?

1) Go nuclear on some asses.
2) ???
3) Profit.

So that's what I did. I was working up that weak shit on Fandaray after trying to come up with something better and then Emur just hands me a healer reveal on a platter. So I pounced. Seemed to have worked; I was able to imply that his lynch was inevitable without really being called out for it later, even if others (Mockra?) may have mentioned that we could have not lynched Emur.

Also, killers didn't kill me but removed Anomandaris's potential accusation of setting up a lynch since he CF'd RI and also saved me from having to defend my weak bullshit. It's unfortunate that Ryll was taking so much heat during the day and it's still kind of lasting through today. Demelain is playing well and I'm hesitant to agree with him too much. We'll see if they pick up on any of my play, since I usually never find my symp till too late.

I also just quoted Omtose ("I am disapoint"), spelling mistake and all, since there is all this talk of KF/Omtose symping or being symped by Emur or whatever. I am going to let that play out for a bit and actually hope someone catches me, BCS we lynch Omtose and I'm cleared, WCS they lynch me instead, but I think they would lynch master over symp, and then if master comes up RI, I might be next. But it sure would cause some fun on thread...

Liosan, on 08 October 2015 - 08:52 AM, said:

Oh, and Anom has to be HD. I guess it could be Khell but he is usually not so persistently ornery. I'm guessing Khell or Tapper is behind Mockra. Probably Khell, got a smooth but logical feel to his posts. So perhaps Tapper is Demelain and Tatts is Ryll. Tatts never could keep quiet on day one. Lady Bliss I can't alt... Didn't realize, we have a number of good players in this fairly small game...

Liosan, on 08 October 2015 - 07:47 PM, said:

Maybe Tapper is Monok. I sense it.

I'll stop trying to alt people now.

Well, everything is looking ok on thread as long as the lynch doesn't swing my way...even then, if I do get lynched, hopefully I can still do some damage on thread beforehand. I almost reigned in my most recent explosion but I don't think it would have fit with my play this game so I let 'em have it. It's also good that Ryll is in this group of scummy players who are voting me; Ryll and Dem have done a fine job at constantly interacting and disagreeing with each other while avoiding suspicion. Usually it's much easier to just avoid the other killer altogether but in a game this small it's tough. So good for them, I think Ryll can escape the lynch today, and if someone can just come hammer, it's potentially D-Day tomorrow (if we lynch and NK town tonight).

Even if I don't make it to the end, my hope is that they don't NK me and if I get lynched, it's tomorrow. That should put Ryll and Dem at D-Day with 5 players and all they have to do is survive the lynch to win.

Liosan, on 08 October 2015 - 09:38 PM, said:

I'm having lots of fun now. If I can just stay alive I foresee more fun on the horizon...

Liosan, on 09 October 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:

Oh God, please let us lynch KF and then have everyone suspect me of symping Omtose and redirecting the lynch and then lynch Omtose and we win.

If they don't kill me, that is.

Liosan, on 09 October 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

I have...a bold plan.

Liosan, on 09 October 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

Right now I can hammer Omtose. Assuming they don't kill me, we win tomorrow even if I get lynched (which I probably will).

It will make me look super suspicious and I don't know how I'll back my way out of voting KF so hard and switching to Omtose, but as long as I'm not the NK target tonight, tomorrow is a guaranteed D-Day and win for scum.

Right?

God I hope I don't fuck this up.

[Path-Shaper]

Liosan, on 09 October 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

Fuck, my math is off, if we had lynched on day 2 this would have worked. Even if I hammer Omtose and get lynched tomorrow, that leaves them with 5 players. So the only way to win would be for me to not get lynched or they have to survive the next game day.

Damn. I still may make the gamble, we'll see.

Liosan, on 09 October 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

Close one. Too bad about the no-lynch, I would have liked to end the game with a tactical victory.

Liosan, on 09 October 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

Actually, things are still looking good, getting Karosis to back down is almost as good as forcing the Omtose lynch. If I survive the night by avoiding the lynch and the NK, the only possible way for us to lose is if two things happen tomorrow:

1) A no-lynch
2) I get NK'd

If either of those don't happen tomorrow, scum wins due to parity.

I suppose if flavor text is real then the healer could still be out there and prevent an NK but that's a long shot, I think. I am hoping the day 1 NK scene isn't an actual confirmation that Emur was fake-revealing or I'm going to start a riot for the mod participating in the game and answering really important game questions (like if the reveal was fake or not).

Liosan, on 09 October 2015 - 07:02 PM, said:

Wait, can I even do math? God my brain is tired. Ok...

Day 3 - 9 players, 3 scum.

Night 3 - lynch RI, NK RI.

Day 4 - 7 players, 3 scum.

Night 4 --

1) lynch RI - 6 players, 3 scum - scum win due to parity.
2) lynch scum, NK RI - 5 players, 2 scum - game continues.

So it DOES matter who we lynch tomorrow even if things go well tonight.

Fuck.

So I really need the KF lynch to go through and the fake-Omtose-sympage to work well enough to get him lynched. Hmmm.

Liosan, on 09 October 2015 - 07:33 PM, said:

OH MY GOD THE TENSION SOMEONE PLEASE JUST HAMMER KF SO WE CAN ENJOY THE WEEKEND AND THEN MOVE ON AND HOPEFULLY I WILL NOT HAVE TO GO BACK AND EXPLAIN ANY OF MY PREVIOUS BEHAVIOR.

Liosan, on 09 October 2015 - 09:35 PM, said:

Man. The recent play from Ryll and Dem has me thinking they don't know I'm their symp, and so they are going to vote for someone else and kill me tonight.

Unless they are really clever and just distancing from me and don't kill me tonight.

I was having so much fun.

Liosan, on 09 October 2015 - 09:45 PM, said:

Maybe I'LL just hammer Omtose now and say fuck it.

Pros:

Fun.
Killers seem to want Omtose dead.
Day ends without further bullshit.
I can dance around tomorrow (if I survive) and explain why I changed votes since Omtose will CF RI. If he CF's as the healer or something I'll play with that even more.
Proves I wasn't defending Omtose....

...but...

Cons:

May look like like I am a killer and therefore know Omtose was RI so hammered.
Killers seem to be braindead.
I get hit for switching my vote and will look scum-ish.
We can still win if Omtose is lynched by everyone else and I can redirect the lynch to an RI tomorrow. Assuming I don't die.

Hmm.

Liosan, on 14 October 2015 - 11:57 PM, said:

Well. Ryll had me worried there for a minute, he was really putting his neck on the chopping block.

If the modkills don't happen, I quit Mafia. Omtose has been gone for over 120 hours. Mockra is now hitting the 36 mark. There is no escaping.

Even if there is a no-lynch and the killers NK me, it looks like we should still win. In fact, even if the healer succeeds and there's no NK, two modkills puts us at 6 players - 3 scum, 3 town.

Parity wins.

Liosan, on 15 October 2015 - 12:19 AM, said:

Ok...maybe my brain can't do math anymore. Wow.

If I'm the NK target -

8 players, 3 scum

2 modkills = 6 players, 3 scum

NK Lioson = 5 players, 2 scum

So the no-lynch WOULD have let the game roll over into tomorrow if I was NK'd. However, the modkills will happen at timeout, which is before Night and therefore before any Night Kills, meaning we will hit parity with town before the NK action regardless.

So yeah, math was kinda off, conclusion still right. I guess that's SOMETHING. Modkills will end this game before Night happens, it's over.

[Path-Shaper]

Mockra:

Mockra, on 08 October 2015 - 01:37 PM, said:

Y' know, I am actually enjoying myself again. But the level of the thread is pathetic. So many people willing to gamble on symp-finding...

Unfortunately I had to modkill you for inactivity.

Mockra, on 15 October 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

I feared so. There was little to no posting tuesday morning when I went on. I was too busy on yesterday, only checked now. Apologies.

[Path-Shaper]

Monok Ochem:

Monok Ochem, on 05 October 2015 - 09:49 PM, said:

Can't remember the last time I was a healer. I've never been good at predicting the seemingly random murderous acts of others, so set your expectations low by Khell standards - maybe only an 85% chance of immediate success.

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:

Oops, not the best start entirely forgetting about the game.

Ryll is Tatts, Emur is Gnaw (if he's playing?)?

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

Heal Fanderay for now. Probably a horrible mistake.


I should probably code healer in somewhere, but I'm too tired to make the effort. Oh, can I heal myself?

I shouldn't even dignify that with a response, but for clarity's sake - Of course you can't heal yourself!

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2015 - 09:26 PM, said:

Heal Anomandaris instead.

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2015 - 11:16 PM, said:

Aaand switch back to Fanderay.

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2015 - 11:27 PM, said:

Just for a laugh, switch back to Anomandaris.

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2015 - 11:28 PM, said:

And Ano is HD.

Monok Ochem, on 07 October 2015 - 12:40 AM, said:

lol, dammit!

I have to admit, I was laughing a lot....

Monok Ochem, on 08 October 2015 - 09:05 AM, said:

Heal Demelain.

Monok Ochem, on 08 October 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

And Mockra is Tapper.

Monok Ochem, on 08 October 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

Sigh, it was between Dem and Anomandaris for the heal

Monok Ochem, on 08 October 2015 - 12:48 PM, said:

I'll put in an early Heal Mockra for now.

Monok Ochem, on 10 October 2015 - 06:13 PM, said:

Mwahahaha, that was an even better result than lynching scum!

Monok Ochem, on 14 October 2015 - 08:07 AM, said:

I think Tatts could be scum. The reason I say that is because when he's scum and Tapper's playing, he always tries to take him out, and that's what happened during the night. As soon as Tapper made himself obvious, someone tried to kill him.

Of course, I can't say any of this on thread. And it is just a suspicion with no actual game thread basis.

Monok Ochem, on 14 October 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

Hmm, to heal or to not heal Mockra again. That be the question. On the one hand, it's pretty likely that they're inno (unless scum somehow failed to get in an NK target). On the other, scum are probably likelier to try elsewhere.

[Path-Shaper]

Monok Ochem, on 14 October 2015 - 05:49 PM, said:

Heal Mockra for now.

Monok Ochem, on 14 October 2015 - 11:33 PM, said:

Sigh, got to try and use the heal as a find and establish townies if possible, so no point in continuing to heal Mockra.

Heal Karosis


Though I fear I'm being deadified tonight.

Monok Ochem, on 15 October 2015 - 07:48 AM, said:

Hmm, I really didn't think Lio would be the target last night as he's been talked about as a suspect quite a bit. An interesting choice. But what does it mean?!? ;P

Monok Ochem, on 15 October 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

Fanderay, killed when under no on-thread pressure.
Anomandaris, killed when under no on-thread pressure.
Mockra, attempted kill when under no on-thread pressure.
Liosan, killed when Ryll pushing hard on them.


So what's with the change in focus there?

The only person I can remember off the top of my head Liosan gunning for is Karosis.

Was it simply to remove the only obstacle to Ryll also voting for Aparal?

Monok Ochem, on 15 October 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

Fanderay, killed when under no on-thread pressure.
Anomandaris, killed when under no on-thread pressure.
Mockra, attempted kill when under no on-thread pressure.
Liosan, killed when Ryll pushing hard on them.


So what's with the change in focus there?

The only person I can remember off the top of my head Liosan gunning for is Karosis.

Was it simply to remove the only obstacle to Ryll also voting for Aparal?

Monok Ochem, on 15 October 2015 - 01:33 PM, said:

I think I might reveal. Just to really stir the pot (I have no code or any actual proof).

Monok Ochem, on 15 October 2015 - 08:35 PM, said:

Let's Heal Ryllandaras.

[Path-Shaper]

Killer Conversations:

Ryllandaras, on 05 October 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:

Ha, posted in thread without looking at role pm. Looks like signalling to Karosis

Ryllandaras, on 05 October 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

Not been a killer in ages!

One of us should code healer into our posts for end game if we make it that far

Demelain, on 05 October 2015 - 04:33 PM, said:

Ha, yeah.

Almost reacted by quoting PS's "lame joke" to you before looking at my PM. That would have been worse.

I'm a bit new to killing, actually.

What should we do, a random low-to-mid-poster on D1? Absolute low-posters might get lynched anyway during the next couple of days and killing anyone that is not really active doesn't give away that much info.

If someone throws a weak, but plausible case against someone but backs-off before the end of the day, we might target them as well to throw a red herring.

Not much experience really, so I might be thinking wrong

Ryllandaras, on 05 October 2015 - 05:28 PM, said:

The healer will be non committal. He won't push for lynches and may even look uninterested.

Shinrei was a healer as Karosis and a lowish poster.

Demelain, on 05 October 2015 - 07:18 PM, said:

Yeah, probably lowish but not absolute bottom. I can't remember a game where lynching low posters was not discussed, so the healer is probably going to avoid being at the absolute bottom. It might be best to go for a low-to-mid poster, if nothing interesting comes up during the day.

I think we can exclude Omtose as healer for now, too vocal and typical D1 finger pointing to fish for defensive behaviour.

Demelain, on 05 October 2015 - 09:40 PM, said:

I hope Emurlahn is not the symp.

Someone points at you, without much substances and Emurlahn puts out a very early low-poster vote. If he is the symp, then it would be very easy to point to this instance when potential deflections are being investigated later in the game (in fact, as it's so early in the game, it will not be missed on re-reads). So I hope it's truly a random, low poster vote and not the symp trying to deflect this early.

(I do think the flavour text indicates the presence of a symp)

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 07:30 AM, said:

Who are you liking for a kill at the moment?

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 07:34 AM, said:

I'm liking Fanderay.

Best put here something for PS;

If for some reason I'm not around, confirm Demelain's decision to kill somebody.

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 07:44 AM, said:

Emurlahn could be a symp with the vote for Liosan.

Not quite ready to believe it though.

May as well put a provisional in I'm case of quick lynches

Kill Fanderay

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 07:46 AM, said:

In terms of voting how do you want to play it? Stay off the first train? One on and one off?

Make sure to get a vote down, be convinced of your vote and don't change unless absolutely necessary or needed to get a lynch?

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 02:50 PM, said:

Sorry, I was teaching all day with no proper breaks to catch up with the game. I'm going to do a thorough read and come back to you.

I'll support your kill up until then, so

Provisional kill Fanderay

[Path-Shaper]

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

Okay, well, you're at risk of being lynched, I think.

There's not really a split-vote option for now, I think, so I'll wait a bit longer. (There are not much votes cast anyway, so I'm not in a hurry to vote.). I'm going to up my activity level a bit, I've been silent relatively long with two posts contributing exactly nothing. (Summing things up and repeating the obvious game mechanics.)

Anomandaris seems like dangerous player, we might have to take them out soon. Their comments have been spot on and look like careful analysis of the game not giving away too much yet. I would even be tempted to take A. out now.

What do you think?

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

Okay, I'm going to defuse that argument against you, but you're in the danger zone and this is something I think I can defuse, but it does distance myself from you pre-emptively. Joining in later when Omtose is going to press, and Omtose is going to press, would have been dangerous as I did not post anything with content before, nor can I join in your Emurlahn case in case you are actually going to get lynched.

Don't get too defensive, though. That'll be disastrous.

I think we should take out Anomandaris. He does not add much, but analyses the game and offers his experience (pro-town) without attracting too much attention. Could be healer, but he certainly knows what he's talking about.

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 04:30 PM, said:

Emurlahn, no, don't deflect now.

He knows voting for no posters is no good, it's been all over the thread, but he still changes his vote to one in a hope to defuse the case on you.

And he was trying to deflect from you in the first case, as you had a vote.

It's too obvious now, I think.

And he's going to be next, tomorrow.

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 05:23 PM, said:

I think it's better to go with Anomandaris, not Fanderay. I don't F is the healer, too active. Is A Khell? A might be healer.

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

Put a vote down on me until I respond. Get it in now early so if a better target arrives you can remove and join the sheep. I'll respond I'm about an hour.

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 07:42 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

Put a vote down on me until I respond. Get it in now early so if a better target arrives you can remove and join the sheep. I'll respond I'm about an hour.

I was doing just that.

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 07:49 PM, said:

I'm going to bed in approximately an hour. I might stretch it a bit, but I've worked for over 12 hours today and have to get up early tomorrow, too.

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 08:12 PM, said:

Ok ill post now.

[Path-Shaper]

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 08:23 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 08:12 PM, said:

Ok ill post now.

Do you still want to kill Fanderay?

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 08:54 PM, said:

I'm good at changing stance. Yes I'd like to hit Fanderay buy I'm not adverse to hurting anyone else.

Spotting a healer is difficult at best. Ano doesn't seen to want yo hurt either of us at present.

If you want to hit him then I'll back you up.

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 08:57 PM, said:

I was thinking that, too, maybe A is going to make case on Aparal tomorrow. Let's leave him be for now.

Let's take out Fanderay.

Kill Fanderay

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

I'd prefer to draw attention to myself early because if I survive the pressure then people tend to want to look elsewhere

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 09:06 PM, said:

Yes, but I'm struggling with a reply.

I can't ignore you, but I can't really back-off too easily, either.

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 09:29 PM, said:

Fanderay does have a lot of opinion on thread, though. Have read up on that? Where's it going to lead if they are going to investigate their posts?

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 09:36 PM, said:

To the grave 😁

They have more influence than say Monok Liosan Emurlahn etc.

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

True and the others have picked a couple of decent set of lynch targets.

My last post was a mistake, dragging on about Emurlahn.

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 10:13 PM, said:

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

True and the others have picked a couple of decent set of lynch targets.

My last post was a mistake, dragging on about Emurlahn.

I just come here to say I liked your posts

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 11:06 PM, said:

If Emurlahn is lynched kill Fanderay

If he is not lynched kill emurlahn

Ryllandaras, on 07 October 2015 - 07:14 AM, said:

Looks like Emur was our symp.

Healer was I'm the flavour text. What's the point of having fake reveals if your just going to tell them in the scene Blend?

It would've been nicer for the symp and for us if that element of doubt still remained.

You cannot really call him a symp if you're going to discredit his actions. Now everyone knows he was a symp

[Path-Shaper]

Demelain, on 07 October 2015 - 07:39 AM, said:

What do you think, let them fight for a bit?

Fanderay actually has a later quote in which he says KF is sketchy and thinks you might have made a D1 misstep, funny how Aparal missed that.

Ryllandaras, on 07 October 2015 - 08:36 AM, said:

Yes let the thread progress a little and see what people are thinking.

Some great thinkers left in. Without a finder in the game we should be okay for now.

If it comes to it, I think making a case against me might be good for us later in the game. Thoughts?

Who do you fancy for the kill, a healer could play many ways. Mockra could be a healer as he has laid low and made a couple of big posts that could have code written in.

You suggested Ano on day one. Thoughts on this?

Ryllandaras, on 07 October 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

I'm going to push against Omtose today. As he was so vehement in leaving the symp alone and going after me for putting that thought out there. Honestly I didn't expect Emur to be the symp because it was a little too obvious that a symp may play that way. Best symps I've played with are Bubba and Grief. Grief would flood the thread with clever ideas and Bubba would manipulate lynches expertly.

A good symp wins you the game.

Ryllandaras, on 07 October 2015 - 09:18 AM, said:

Scene says healer is still alive.

Emurlahn revealed as healer which is a lie

Ergo Emur is scum (symp)

Emur votes for Liosan

My case will use this as potential signal, Omtose trying to deflect my thoughts, other Omtose Liosan are partnered or Emur was setting up Liosan and Omtose saw him as the symp.

Thoughts?

Demelain, on 07 October 2015 - 09:30 AM, said:

I think it's risky, Aparal is already pointing fingers at you.

Anomandaris seems to have his sight set on targets other than us, might be the best moment to take him out. Taking out someone who is pointing at you is going to seal your faith, I think.

I'll take a break from work in an hour to post something.

Demelain, on 07 October 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Seems like I'm a bit stuck at work. As there's not much activity anyway, I'm going to lay a bit low, as I'm afraid of posting anything overly stupid in haste.

Demelain, on 07 October 2015 - 08:37 PM, said:

Don't wait too long.

Maybe I shouldn't have included that Fanderay was getting less suspicious of you. I think I can counter that, though.

Demelain, on 07 October 2015 - 10:33 PM, said:

Just to make sure we don't waste a kill when we're asleep and a speed lynch occurs:

kill anomandaris

If Ryll wants someone else, i'm okay with that.

Ryllandaras, on 08 October 2015 - 06:58 AM, said:

I'm fine with Ano.

I think I want Mockra next.

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 08:52 AM, said:

Agreed. Mockra needs to go.

Ryllandaras, on 08 October 2015 - 10:27 AM, said:

CONFIRM KILL ON ANO

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 12:29 PM, said:

That wasn't too bad, I think.

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

If nothing major changes today:

Kill Mockra

Ryllandaras, on 08 October 2015 - 02:16 PM, said:

Yes I think Mockra is Tapper or Messremb and the healer.

If we had lynched yesterday I may have suggested no kill tonight so the healer thinks he healed someone.

Confirm the Mockra kill.

Who else hasn't been too confrontational?

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

Karosis, but Karosis posted so little it would be a risky tactic for a healer. He isn't getting much heat for it though.

WIFOM Monok Ochem : "If they're lying, please for the love of everything no one counter reveal either." (Hey, I'm not the healer!)

Omtose was vocal to you at the start after his joke vote, but then disappeared.

I think I don't like Omtose.

Besides arguing with you for the sake of "symp hunting" (I think you wrongly thought he was defending Emur). Omtose apologized to you basically, maybe trying to get on your good side. I think he went through with your case because he couldn't back off after you attacked him, but later, he never really put pressure on you as I expected he would do. He only talked along with cases, he never voted, besides the early vote on you and I think he felt himself forced to do that.

Also, he participated early and gave everyone the impression he was actually playing and accusing, but he just stopped.

He might be healer. If I were RI, I would think he was scum.

By the way, I've used the search function to read all players posts up until now.

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 03:07 PM, said:

You've crossposted with me on thread. You might want to check my post if you haven't seen it.

Ryllandaras, on 08 October 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

It's okay it's going well. I'm purposely deflecting from kadagar

[Path-Shaper]

Ryllandaras, on 08 October 2015 - 03:15 PM, said:

I'll come back to you in a bit

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 03:17 PM, said:

Yeah I thought you were doing that. Wanted to make sure you didn't miss my attack.

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 03:45 PM, said:

Okay, I'm going to disappear for a while.

I'll check the thread in a couple of hours.

Ryllandaras, on 08 October 2015 - 03:53 PM, said:

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 03:45 PM, said:

Okay, I'm going to disappear for a while.

I'll check the thread in a couple of hours.

Good one, let someone else respond to my post as it has a few easter eggs in there

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 04:22 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 08 October 2015 - 03:53 PM, said:

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 03:45 PM, said:

Okay, I'm going to disappear for a while.

I'll check the thread in a couple of hours.

Good one, let someone else respond to my post as it has a few easter eggs in there

Yup my plan exactly.

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

Are you there?

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

I think I'm going to quote this post of yours:

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

I think that Emur is a symp, and this was misdirection. Definitely something to look out for.

I've quoted it before and Karosis might find it, too, so it might be odd for me to ignore that.

Demelain, on 08 October 2015 - 10:04 PM, said:

Okay, that was risky, sorry.

I'm really going to bed, I can't keep my eyes open and I'm starting to make bad decisions.

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 06:56 AM, said:

Beautiful. wait for my post.

Omtose season is open.

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 06:56 AM, said:

Beautiful. wait for my post.

Omtose season is open.

I was getting grilled by you there but it took away from Karosis in my opinion.

That's just the way Shinrei plays though. I don't think killing Karosis is am option as he only has wood for me. Did we agree on a target today?

kill mockra

[Path-Shaper]

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 09:14 AM, said:

Ha, I didn't see you put down the kill order. Great minds.

Who we thinking of next?

Monok?

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

I'll be home in an hour, I'kl think about it.

I also have some ideas for strategy tomorrow. I'll put them down, too.

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:

So, you've alted shinrei, have you alted me?

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 10:48 AM, said:

Triple post combo!

I love mobile Internet.

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 12:27 PM, said:

Okay, suggestions for D4.

First of all, if Gnaw really was our symp and I think he was, can Path-Shaper please thank our symp that sadly left us to soon on his way to (spoiler) Heaven? He deserves a proper Eulogy.

So, Gnaw sowed utter confusion and we're still reaping it. Some of the players are still so obsessed with it, they hardly generate or analyse any of the content on thread. I dared them a couple of times to find anything else on Liosan, besides the crazy WIFOM D1 stuff they were presenting and they just couldn't. It almost looks like they want us to stay focused on that bottomless pit of D1 WIFOM. In doing so they are (quite rightly I must say) getting more and more negative attention.

I might use that tomorrow, especially if AF or KF (if KF survives the lynch. I hope Omtose fails to show up) starts reiterating it.

I'll start with the observation that we're still going round in circles around D1 WIFOM. That content on the thread is hardly being analysed and that when it is, it's disrupted again and again by D1 WIFOM arguments that go nowhere. I'll suggest that it is in the interest of scum to keep us there. I'll say that there are a number of players, including you*, that can't seem to get past D1. Then, I'll show that KF (if they still live) immediately started doing so after Gnaw's lynch by asking the "soooooo Symp?" question and is either incredibly headstrong (they are, fight instead of fight reaction to the vote train on their name) or actively stalling the thread by creating tunnel vision &c. Moreover, even if KF was just being headstrong (like he is) he should be lynched anyway, as he's disrupting any proper discussion.

We'll be at 7 tomorrow. If Omtose is lynched today, KF and AF are likely targets tomorrow.

*) Don't worry, you have a good defence. Stupidity, as it appears you genuinely believed your "signal/false signal" story.

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 12:37 PM, said:

We have got to watch out with our posting activity, though.

We're at the top of the list and so far we've been picking players high on the post count list (like already mentioned in the thread) for night kills. That'll make us suspicious. So, I've pressured Omtose, I've attacked you, interacted with KF. It's time to lay low a bit.

Monok is fine with me for tomorrow, unless something happens.

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

Didn't take the weekend break into account.

Omtose is going to post before unfreeze on Monday.

Too bad.

Can't remember everything.

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 03:35 PM, said:

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:

So, you've alted shinrei, have you alted me?

It may not be Shin but that's how he plays.

I'm guessing Omtose is Messremb.

I haven't alted you oh glorious one. You could be anyone

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 03:38 PM, said:

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

Didn't take the weekend break into account.

Omtose is going to post before unfreeze on Monday.

Too bad.

Can't remember everything.

The lynch will occur before weekend freeze goes into effect.

I'm going to do a brief run down on day 2 on day 4 wondering why we didn't have the numbers for a lynch.

[Path-Shaper]

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 08:19 PM, said:

I was about to post but I keep following you. Our times and thoughts align too similarly.

I'm going to remove and vote omtose

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 08:35 PM, said:

Hmm, I was just about to say I'm leaving for bed.

I'm really leaving for bed, I have a fever and can't concentrate properly.

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 09:04 PM, said:

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 08:35 PM, said:

Hmm, I was just about to say I'm leaving for bed.

I'm really leaving for bed, I have a fever and can't concentrate properly.

There's enough votes around without your help. Just leave the thread and dint offer an excuse.

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 09:09 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 09:04 PM, said:

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 08:35 PM, said:

Hmm, I was just about to say I'm leaving for bed.

I'm really leaving for bed, I have a fever and can't concentrate properly.

There's enough votes around without your help. Just leave the thread and dint offer an excuse.

Sorry, read this too late.

I hope it's okay as it is.

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 09:25 PM, said:

You don't see Monok Mockra Aparal etc laying down excuses. You stand out in a way for doing that.

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 09:37 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 09:25 PM, said:

You don't see Monok Mockra Aparal etc laying down excuses. You stand out in a way for doing that.

Yeah, thought of that, too, after posting.

I always do that in games, though, although being scum is new to me.

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 09:47 PM, said:

And your alt is?

I'm khell

Your NK was unsuccessful.

Demelain, on 10 October 2015 - 06:32 AM, said:

I'm Gred.

Ryllandaras, on 10 October 2015 - 07:38 AM, said:

Well Mockra was protected.

Monok or Omtose next.

Ryllandaras, on 10 October 2015 - 07:41 AM, said:

Omtose, on 05 October 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

Although its a fairly open bit of scene setting by PS I'm never a fan of players laying things out and declaring to all that "this is how the game is".
Unless we're explicitly told in large red letters by PS what the set up is, I will not wholly believe, flavour is flavour content after all, and our mods have been bastards before.

And fuck you, I was first, accept it bitches

Coukd be healer written in here.

Demelain, on 10 October 2015 - 11:13 AM, said:

Yeah, I didn't like omtose and I still don't. Normally I would say that a healer (or scum) wouldn't disappear so enormously and obviously like that, so I think it's truly unintentional. However, if it's truly unintentional, it hardly adds anything to debate whether or not he's healer, as it's not related to their role. I think Liosan thinks the same and was therefore reluctant to kill Omtose based on the disappearance alone. However, if it continues past the weekend break, town will have to act, you can't give someone a free pass for too long.

I've looked back at the timing of Omtose's presence and I think that could explain the Mockra protection pick. Mockra was influential towards the end of D2 and Omtose was present before D3 really kicked off. Given our history of killing influential players, it wouldn't be the worst bed. Monok was also influential, but mainly copied Mockra's arguments or tried to explain them to townies not (wanting) to get the counterarguments.

Omtose's kill might come back to me, though. Or you for that matter. I'm expecting some scrutiny on D4, I think my last post isn't sitting too well with Liosan. Should've kept my mouth shut as you said. However, I think I played almost as I would have if I were RI.

Have I called you stupid, yet, during this game?

PS If Omtose does not participate actively on D4, we might not need to kill them. (Although I think Liosan might not like it.)

Ryllandaras, on 12 October 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

Gred I thought you were Khell, I'm Tattersail.

I'm not sure I like my chances in the next 2 gane days. I like yours and ours but will be you pitting yourself off against 4 or 5 vets.

So, on that note, who do you recommend I accuse on this game day.

I've been against Omtose and Liosan for most of the game and not really looked into anything else.

A lot of players have done similar things and not spread their thoughts around a lot of players.

Karosis could be a good pick, he hasn't really mentioned many others either.

Demelain, on 12 October 2015 - 03:24 PM, said:

Oh, okay, you said "I'm khell" so I assumed that meant you were Khell.

I think my last post got me some attention, the one being overly verbose. However, you're bound to get some heat today as some were already setting you up, saying they didn't like you.

Three have received a fair share of attention:

Aparal was mentioned a couple of times and also participated in perpetuating the D1 vote WIFOM thing. Might be a target because of that.

Omtose has to get active if they want to survive. However, with the weekend and heat during the last couple of days, they might just that. They were active last Monday as well. (Low sample size for that inference, though)

You, for trying to perpetuate D1 WIFOM by making relatively weak cases based on that.

---

I'll wait to see what direction the others are going to take, but I'm not going to refrain myself from accusing you. I think there's a decent probability that you'll get lynched today or tomorrow, so I don't want to look hesitant to lynch you after our last interactions. I might have to go that route anyway, pointing out that some players seem to be putting in some effort to keep us talking about the four-hour-in vote, derailing progress. You're one of those.

However, if you want to take a risky strategy, overly attacking the D1 WIFOM actually also perpetuates the four-hours-in vote a lot. It's kept in focus not only because people are using to build cases, but also because people are very verbosely arguing against using it or attacking people who do use it. It's subtle, but that in itself could be strategic to keep the thread focused on the WIFOM case. (In fact, it's what I've doing. The "Distancing from what? Their NK?" question was solely meant so I could explain what I meant in another post, dragging the WIFOM on and on.) As I'm not the most verbose in that, see Liosan's rant, I don't think I'll get heat for it.

I'm toying with the idea of going in the direction of that meta-level, accusing people to unnecessarily drag out the D1 confusion by keeping the discussion alive, by both providing pro and con arguments. The only one's who are really profiting from that confusion are scum. So dragging it out way past the point it should have dominated the thread is scummy behaviour.

For the nightkill:

I think we need to take out one of the veteran players that hasn't received much scrutiny. Sure, the healer is going to protect those at well, but I don't know if town will lynch them. It also weakens Town. I'd much rather have more WIFOM'ers around, as those cases are weak and can often be turned around, than people who are actually showing true inconsistencies in reasoning.

Basically, anyone of Karosis, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem.

---

One final thought, I think Omtose might be the healer. Their play is lacking, but I think the absence was truly unavoidable. The protection on Mockra might be explained by the fact that Mockra was active just prior to Omtose's presence. On the other hand, any healer might have send a PM early and therefore selecting active and dominant players of late D2.

[Path-Shaper]

Demelain, on 12 October 2015 - 03:29 PM, said:

By the way, do you know who did alt me? Charlie Nom.

He said in the chat that he thought this alt was me. Alghough he was right, I said I couldn't comment on the game, but that if he wanted answers, he should get SH access.

Ryllandaras, on 12 October 2015 - 03:50 PM, said:

The mods should send him a pm and invitation to spoiler heaven to answer his questions and make sure he doesn't break rules.

Ok who to pick? Monok or Omtose, I think.

How many games have you played so far?

Demelain, on 12 October 2015 - 04:49 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 12 October 2015 - 03:50 PM, said:

The mods should send him a pm and invitation to spoiler heaven to answer his questions and make sure he doesn't break rules.

Ok who to pick? Monok or Omtose, I think.

How many games have you played so far?

Let's go with Monok and see if Omtose decides to show up and/or see how people think about Omtose. As now, I can't think of a convincing and safe way to set Monok up for a lynch, but Omtose has a bit of damage already.

---

This is my fourth game, I think. During the last game, I was lynched on day 1 (pretty randomly); the one before that the FM jumped into my alt after D1; in my first game (Tapper's Noblesse Oblige) I made it to the end, just defeating Khell (killer) with another RI.

(The thing with Nom was relatively innocent and he doesn't want spoiler access, as he wants to follow this game as practice. He said he intends to join the next. I think he understands the rules now.)

Demelain, on 12 October 2015 - 07:07 PM, said:

Do you know when the timer will be unfrozen?

It's 21:04 here already, so if it takes a couple of hours more, I'll be asleep. I'll try posting something in the morning, but I have to teach classes non-stop tomorrow, so I'll be absent for at least 8 hours.

So, just so you know, I might be absent during most of the first 20 hours of this day.

Ryllandaras, on 13 October 2015 - 02:43 PM, said:

Unfreezes today. 2 posts have happened so dar

Demelain, on 13 October 2015 - 04:55 PM, said:

Not much going on, I'll wait. Only 2 out of 8 have posted, so no pressure.

Demelain, on 13 October 2015 - 09:35 PM, said:

Mockra is going to hunt you, I think, based on this case they made earlier:

Mockra, on 08 October 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

The one possibility that I am willing to take into account for Gnaw being a symp, is that his reveal was intended to get the real healer to counter-reveal, which was a very, very slim chance. If that was Emur's play, then it reeks of desperation, for which there was no cause, not with 2 votes already available on another player - unless that player was scum and Gnaw decided to sacrifice himself for that player - which would either be Ryllandaras (he was at 2 votes) or Kadagar Fant (who, immediately before the reveal, started to get a vote from MO and some agreement on his assessment from Anomandaris and Fanderay - who then got killed).

Based on all that, the assumption that Emur is a symp and the timing of his reveal would point towards him protecting Kadagar Fant, imho.

Problem is, the healer is going to support hem, probably, and the case is quite strong.

What do you think I should do?

I think that if I attack you now, you're certainly going to be lynched as Mockra is going to add this case my attack. I don't think I can let you off the hook this time if I start to attack you. If Mockra starts accusing, I think I have to follow. I've been very critical of you so far in this game, so being reluctant probably gets me killed.

I think a very strong case against you could develop today:

- Perpetuating the WIFOM yesterday,
- Weak/Illogical cases
- Most people don't like you
- Mockra's analysis of Gnaw's behaviour

I don't know how to avoid it.

Ryllandaras, on 13 October 2015 - 10:00 PM, said:

Don't worry about it. I'm going to go on the offensive tomorrow. I think finding someone else aswel as me might be good. Don't focus all your energy on me. Aparal Forge might be a good target for you to accuse. Then you have the option of voting either way.

Ryllandaras, on 14 October 2015 - 06:10 AM, said:

We need to nail the healer before he either heals someone else or reveals innocents on thread.

kill Omtose if lynched kill monok

I think it's pot luck. The rest of town are playing healer like in different ways.

Demelain, on 14 October 2015 - 06:57 AM, said:

Yeah, but do you think it's Omtose?

I've been thinking about it and maybe I just don't like their play. The timing thing is basically nothing. So if you have a nagging suspicion of other players backed by more, maybe they would be better targets.

I don't know.

Ryllandaras, on 14 October 2015 - 07:41 AM, said:

Demelain, on 14 October 2015 - 06:57 AM, said:

Yeah, but do you think it's Omtose?

I've been thinking about it and maybe I just don't like their play. The timing thing is basically nothing. So if you have a nagging suspicion of other players backed by more, maybe they would be better targets.

I don't know.

I thought Mockra to be honest but he was healed.

Who do you feel threatened by?

Who do you dislike anyway?

Could Liosan be the healer? He stays quiet but gets quite loud when you point a finger his way

Demelain, on 14 October 2015 - 07:45 AM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 14 October 2015 - 07:41 AM, said:

Demelain, on 14 October 2015 - 06:57 AM, said:

Yeah, but do you think it's Omtose?

I've been thinking about it and maybe I just don't like their play. The timing thing is basically nothing. So if you have a nagging suspicion of other players backed by more, maybe they would be better targets.

I don't know.

I thought Mockra to be honest but he was healed.

Who do you feel threatened by?

Who do you dislike anyway?

Could Liosan be the healer? He stays quiet but gets quite loud when you point a finger his way

Yeah, I was just wondering about Liosan. Could be, yeah.

Until Omtose starts participating, he's at risk anyway, so Liosan might be a good bet. However, are they not suspicious of you? That might seal your fate tomorrow.

[Path-Shaper]

Ryllandaras, on 14 October 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

I think we aren't linked. I've only been hot for Omtose and Liosan so I think of I was the target today or tomorrow it won't make a difference but we need to kill the healer.

remove kill orders

Kill Liosan, if lynched kill monok

This is a provisional, we'll see how the days go.

Demelain, on 14 October 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

Confirm "Kill Liosan, if lynched kill monok" as provisional

Ryllandaras, on 14 October 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:

Don't worry about me pointing at Liosan again and us killing him. Similar happened night one with Liosan and tanderay

Demelain, on 14 October 2015 - 10:40 PM, said:

I'm worried Monok might be onto our connection, as he said that quickly withdrew my vote on you. He noted that. Could be significant.

Demelain, on 14 October 2015 - 11:31 PM, said:

Damn, I was right.

Maybe I should have made a case against you.

Too late now.

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

The healer best not fucking be Shin again! Bad luck if it is!

kill monok if lynched kill karosis

Monok mentioned the healer in his post yet Karosis has played like a healer.

Demelain depending on Aparal activity you may want to avoid voting for me if you can help it. You need to focus on who my partner could be.

Aparal hasn't mentioned me but I mentioned him early on with regards to Night kill WIFOM. (Getting in there first?)

Who else has been "suspicious" of me but not voted me?

Monok didn't vote me, nor did Karosis. Yet they've both expressed their dislike of me. At least you has the balls to actually lay down a vote.

Demelain, on 15 October 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

Okay, should you think I should start focusing on partnering? Yesterday, my play was off, sorry for that. I'm still learning (I hope). It might have ruined our game.

By the way, I think this goes without saying, but if anyone puts a vote down that's not on one of us, we hammer that poor towny if we're around. Do check if the other is around, as we have to do it without the other being able to retract their vote. (i.e. we have to vote consecutively)

If we're not lynched consecutively today and tomorrow, we win. How do we make that happen?

I don't want to build a case on you, even an all the way case, as I think Monok will realise I'm only sacrificing you to win the game.

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 10:05 AM, said:

Exactly. It has to be looking at pairs. You think me and Aparal, or Aparal and Monok or Aparal and Karosis.

I'm just looking through the thread and picking up points.

Still be skeptical of me but maybe use the suspicions of Karosis and Monok against them.

Pick one player to convince because that's all you need.

If you ate trying to convince Karosis

Then Monok has been suspicious of Ryll all game but not voted him. Now he's using that suspicion to lynch Ryll. At least you have expressed dislike of RYLL and voted that way.

That's what I'm looking at anyway.

Demelain, on 15 October 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 10:05 AM, said:

Exactly. It has to be looking at pairs. You think me and Aparal, or Aparal and Monok or Aparal and Karosis.

I'm just looking through the thread and picking up points.

Still be skeptical of me but maybe use the suspicions of Karosis and Monok against them.

Pick one player to convince because that's all you need.

If you ate trying to convince Karosis

Then Monok has been suspicious of Ryll all game but not voted him. Now he's using that suspicion to lynch Ryll. At least you have expressed dislike of RYLL and voted that way.

That's what I'm looking at anyway.

Okay, I'm going to do that.

However, Monok has played very pro-town in my opinion, so emotionally it might be hard to get people to vote him. I'll post my case here first, don't want to screw things up.

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 10:27 AM, said:

Provisional kill karosis if lynched kill monok

Demelain, on 15 October 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:

Okay, I'm not of much use right now, but I can't really help it. However, I've just decided that I'm sick enough to go take the rest of the day off from work. I'll be home in an hour, so I'm going to make an appearance.

Demelain, on 15 October 2015 - 01:25 PM, said:

Where are you going with that argument?

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 01:29 PM, said:

Demelain, on 15 October 2015 - 01:25 PM, said:

Where are you going with that argument?

How Monok could be partnered with you or Karosis. Avoiding any suspicion on Aparal if I can help it.

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 05:10 PM, said:

At least no one has voted yet. It looks like Karosis wants to lynch Aparal. Hopefully Aparal will want to lynch elsewhere and I think Monok is undecided but coukd be the healer. If Mockra was alive then they may have revealed as they had a success but it's fortunate for us he was modkilled.

[Path-Shaper]

Demelain, on 15 October 2015 - 06:09 PM, said:

I can add to the case of AF, but I don't know if that's the best thing to do:

Aparal Forge, on 15 October 2015 - 12:06 PM, said:

Ryll I voted for Omtose to try and get a lynch. I never stopped being suspicious about Liosan

Aparal Forge, on 15 October 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

And since when is changing a vote to get a lynch jumping on the bandwagon?

Since your explanation is totally unlogical. Here's the thing, in the post DIRECTLY before changing your vote "to try and get a lynch" you said that the ONLY two candidates were KF and Liosan:

Aparal Forge, on 08 October 2015 - 06:05 PM, said:

I just did a full read through and the only two candidates are:
Liosan: Mainly Day 1 play, his late attack on Fanderay which I pointed out earlier could be distancing from NK
and KF, reasons being Mockras case.

Now, end of day is approaching and your choice of Liosan wasn't getting any traction, so you decide to switch to get a lynch. Nothing wrong yet, but at that moment both KF (one of your ONLY two candidates) and Omtose were at L-2. However, then you suffer intense amnesia, suddenly forgetful of the fact that KF was one of your only two candidates and vote Omtose. The explanation for your vote is not the lynch, surely voting KF (your stated candidate) would have gotten that lynch train going again as you would have put him at L-1. So why then? Well, because you were just jumping on the player who was getting negative attention at that moment. As Karosis points out, the day after you still didn't seem to remember Liosan was one of your prime suspects and just go with Omtose again.

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Monok Ochem, on 15 October 2015 - 02:23 PM, said:

However, once again I have to ask who they'd be partnered with (that is, everyone has attacked Aparal at some point I reckon)?

I don't think that says much, especially today. In the WCS, 3:2 with NK, we have to lynch scum two days consecutively to win, so it wouldn't surprise me if scum was willing to sacrifice their partner if necessary to make lynching them the next day really unlikely. I mean, only one of them has to survive the next two days. In BCS, 4:1, there are no partners to protect.

[Path-Shaper]

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 06:59 PM, said:

Sits okay with me. You could also say my hesitancy to vote Aparal could be a form of defense.

Unless of course you don't need to, let them form that conclusion. With how quiet the thread is, you're likely to get things rolling again.

Demelain, on 15 October 2015 - 07:11 PM, said:

I don't think I want to involve you yet, I'm not involving a lot of people and Monok is too conscious of our connection.

I'm dragging things out for as long as I think is safe. The less time remaining, the less chance a major case shift is going to take place and I think I like the current direction.

I do think Monok is going to act up soon, though, we'll see.

Demelain, on 15 October 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

Do you think I should wait or do I need to contribute more?

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 07:52 PM, said:

Demelain, on 15 October 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

Do you think I should wait or do I need to contribute more?

Wait for now. [

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 07:53 PM, said:

Let's not try to hard. No point speaking to yourself. You need interaction

Demelain, on 15 October 2015 - 08:00 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 07:53 PM, said:

Let's not try to hard. No point speaking to yourself. You need interaction

Yeah, true. I thought we had less time on the clock and I didn't say much today. However, I just checked and we have ~16 hours left, so I'll be back before end of day even if nothing happens before I go to bed (~1 hour from now).

Demelain, on 16 October 2015 - 06:36 AM, said:

Btw

confirm kill order

Accusation against Monok there, let Monok answer. See if monok loses his doubt when randomly accused as a final resort measure.

Ryllandaras, on 16 October 2015 - 08:30 AM, said:

Monoks put his thoughts down.

Interesting he has you as the common denominator.

Demelain, on 16 October 2015 - 12:26 PM, said:

My inexperience is playing up, sorry.

Ryllandaras, on 16 October 2015 - 12:29 PM, said:

Ah I can see that. You could've counter revealed straight away like what the fuck you lying scumbag. Monok is fucking scum as I'm the healer but now it won't work.

You've said you believe him readily.

Shit. Shit shit shit.

Ryllandaras, on 16 October 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

Change kill to Monok, if lynched then Karosis