[petete]

Reading TCG, I had a question. It was mentioned, I don't remember where, that if the Shake didn't stop the Liosan, they would march trough the gate (I assume trough Gallan's path?) and destroy the world (Wu). Why? are they allied with the FK? they are badass, but not that badass to destroy everyone. In all SE and ICE's books we are shown that even a badass can be outnumbered (in Assail Fisher reflects on it), so why? why would the world "care" if the TL win Karkhanas?

[Andorion]

They are allied with the FA though distantly. This is revealed in Sister Reverence's musings atop the Spire. Their taking of Kharkanas and the Throne of Dark would greatly increase there power. They are angry and uncompromising having significant military power. They would be a very real threat to the world.

[petete]

 Andorion, on 22 July 2015 - 04:19 PM, said:

They are allied with the FA though distantly. This is revealed in Sister Reverence's musings atop the Spire. Their taking of Kharkanas and the Throne of Dark would greatly increase there power. They are angry and uncompromising having significant military power. They would be a very real threat to the world.

Oh, thanks, I must have skipped that part or didn't pay that much attention at the time .

Still, really, they don't seem that much of a threat, but that's just me.

[Andorion]

Well considering they had 11 Soletaken Eleint plus mages plus whatever power they could have gotten from Kharkanas they could have become a huge problem

[petete]

Oh, granted a problem, but huge? I don't know if I agree. They have dragons, yes, and QB and Hedge killed dragons before, so it wouldn't be impossible, even at great cost. And the rest of the Liosan? most are civilians, fodder, and would the elites have such an advantage? we are talking about destroying everyone on the world (I'm not counting the FA and their unveiling of their ElderWarren), tens of thousands of soldiers against the Liosan.

Idk, a problem, yes; such a huge problem as to endanger the world, for me, no.

[Gorefest]

Well, the TL in their arrogance probably overestimated their own abilities. However, when you look at their intentions, the world would be in quite a bit of a pickle if the Liosan had succeeded.
They attack Kharkanas with the intent to destroy it and Mother Dark. That would take one of the most ancient and balance-creating powers out of the equation. Don't forget that Darkness is being presented throughout the series as the counterpoint for chaos (the gate of kurald galain in dragnipur chased by the hordes of chaos). Subsequently, Kharkanas somehow gives them access to the realm of shadow (i.e. They can topple ST and Cots) and then Gallan's road lies open into the world of Wu and gods know which other realms.

[worry]

They must not have been reading the books.

[Gorefest]

A Fatal flaw of most literary antagonists.

[nacht]

 Gorefest, on 23 July 2015 - 06:44 AM, said:

A Fatal flaw of most literary antagonists.

God, whatever you do please dont make me a "literary antagonist",
especially a clueless, out of touch, arrogant liosan.

[petete]

The line about the Liosan marching trough the gate and ending the world, if I'm not mistaken, was said by Yedan Derryg, who should be a little bit more worldly.

[theocean]

It was Yedan talking about WHY they should fight, that was actually a really good discussion between those two. Yedan for some reason i like SO much more on the re-read.


My question is were the TL amassed there just waiting for something, or did the shake return trigger them to attack the gate? Or the shore or whatever you want to call it.

[Andorion]

 theocean, on 24 July 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:

It was Yedan talking about WHY they should fight, that was actually a really good discussion between those two. Yedan for some reason i like SO much more on the re-read.


My question is were the TL amassed there just waiting for something, or did the shake return trigger them to attack the gate? Or the shore or whatever you want to call it.

The TL were planning on marching anyway. They did not anticipate the Shake resistance at all.

[theocean]

 Andorion, on 24 July 2015 - 02:08 PM, said:

 theocean, on 24 July 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:

It was Yedan talking about WHY they should fight, that was actually a really good discussion between those two. Yedan for some reason i like SO much more on the re-read.


My question is were the TL amassed there just waiting for something, or did the shake return trigger them to attack the gate? Or the shore or whatever you want to call it.

The TL were planning on marching anyway. They did not anticipate the Shake resistance at all.

What was their trigger?

[worry]

If you're asking why their timing lined up w/ the FA and the KCNR invasions (like was it a big coincidence for the sake of plot?) I believe the big factor was: getting a dragon -- likely delivered by the KCNR -- so that they could start the Soletaken process. So it was not a coincidence. All of the main fronts were more or less scheduled.