[Felisin Fatter]

Just finished Deadhouse Gates (again) and noticed this:

When Apsalar & co are in the gate-room in tremorlor, trying to figure out how to travel; three ochre dragons sail overhead, 'of a kind'. In perfect formation, and all look the same. They show them how to leave. A short while ater, they arrive in tehe Malaz deadhouse, to find Gothos - dressed in ochre. Red herring... or is Gothos a D'ivers Eleint?? Wow. I actually think he is. I searched the forums, sure there would be many threads about it, but no. The theory is mentioned once or twice in this thread:

http://forum.malazan...r-ethil-is-who/

Points in favor:
- The 'ochre' hint.
- What other kind of three-dragon group would be ochre and same-looking? I can't think of one.
- Erikson often adds 'random' details, but almost never are they really random or irrelevant.
- Timing: Gothos was VERY invested in the PoH / Icarium / Tremorlor situation, he was definitely watching. After, he leaves in a hurry to get to talk to Apsalar & co (maybe to decide whether they need killing or helping?).
- The lovelyness of Fiddler thinking, while watching the dragons, that they're just insignificant termites in the grand scheme of things. When those dragons actually find their group's choices utterly important.
- At some point (see linked thread) there is a mention of a Jaghut Eleint who has mastered the chaos, and of Jaghut doing research into controlling the d'ivers madness.

I also noted Gothos statement that 'he had such hopes...' - did he hope to drag Icarium into the Azath as a guardian alongside him? Father and son reunion? Because that's... so sad. Poor Gothos

[Gorefest]

No idea if that theory holds, but it would be pretty awesome.

[Andorion]

Huh.... didn't see this at all. It might very weill be. Knowing Gothos especially.....

[worry]

If the Jaghut Eleint is one we've seen before, Gothos is the prime suspect. If it's not him, then it could be 1-3 of Icarium's rarely seen half brothers: Gothbort, Gherkinium, and Gumple.

[Gorefest]

I think Gherkinium perished during the big baby boom of 1168 years after Burn's Sleep. Damn those irrational cravings.

[Abyss]

According the that poem that opens HoC, bk 3, ch 14, Gumple was lost during the infamous Last Bodysurf on the Stormwall incident.

[nacht]

Gothos has always been treated very respectfully by others (like in TTH and in the MT prologue), definitely more than other Jaghut (except maybe Hood),
but
never really showed much of anything, other than being menacingly cool.

I think if he had a chaotic side (jaghut diver's soletaken), then that would explain it.
To speculate further, after the soletaken ritual, he could have willingly submitted to the Azath, so as to protect the rest of the world.
This could have driven Icarium crazy and fits with above hypothesis that maybe Gothos would have preferred Icarium to be contained too (within an Azath)

[theocean]

A d'ivers dragon would be awesome, and who better than Gothos to be that.

[Maark Abbott]

Dare I suggest that due to Kruppism, it was Kruppe?