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Posted 09 December 2014 - 01:57 PM

For the finale I made a little list of what we know after chapter 8 (Tavores revealing of her plan), with all the players and their purpose. Please help me to correct and complete it. Any additions are welcome.

Allies to free the CP

Bonehunters: Will go through the glass desert so the FA have to split their forces. Major players: Tavore, Quick Ben(?), Ruthan Gudd, Fiddler, Hedge, Banaschar

Perish, Bolkando, Letheri, Khundryl: South route to steal the heart of the CG. Will still one of them betray their alliance? Major players: Brys, Khrugava, Abastral, Spax

K'Chain Che'Malle: Join the south route. Major players: Gesler, Stormy, Kalyth, Grub and a question mark behind Sinn and Gu'Rull

5 Unbound T'lan Imass: And we know two other T'lan Imass wandering around

Paran & the Host: Besieged at the North Citadel from the Watered

The 14th Daughter of the Queen: South from Kolanse

Cotillon & ST: It looks like they are allies


Forkrul Assail & Allies


Pures: Will stay at the Spire to protect the heart of the CG and bring justice to the world. Calm heads out west.

Watered: Half blood FA. Some of them besiege the Host.

Shriven: Under controll of the FA

Any other known Allies?

Icarium: Is chained and will be used from Calm.


Other Players:

The Snake: Walk in the direction of the Bonehunters. Badelle can hold of Pures.

The Shake & Tiste Andii: To hold of the Light/Tiste Liosan.

The Tiste Liosan: 6 of them with super power from the dragon blood.

Olar Ethil, Tool & T'lan Imass: Kill the humans?

Rud Ellale & Silchas Ruin: Protect the realm and the world?

Gruntle: War and die!

Setoc: Will she become Shield Anvield of the Perish?

Mappo & Icarium: Bring Icarium to safety and so the whole world

Kilmandaros, Sechul Lath, Errastas: Free the Otataral Dragon (for what reason again?)

Draconus: ???

Mael: Gave Tavore a dagger for a moment of dire need.

Other Gods: Krul, D'rek, Hood, Queen of Dreams, Osserec, Kallor, Ardata…

Toc, Whiskyjack & the Bridgburners: Gave a wildcard to Kalyth.

The 14 Jaghut: Wander around and have a laugh.

Some Dragons: The Otataral Dragon will be freed, Telorast & Curdle
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Jade Statues: Worshippers from the CG

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 02:08 PM

You placed one very crucial element in the wrong group, but I won't tell you what, because spoilers!!!!!
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Posted 09 December 2014 - 03:37 PM

Looks good. As you RAFO, you may be able to move some of the "Other" factions into being on one particular side or another. Enjoy!

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 06:49 PM

View PostD, on 09 December 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Looks good. As you RAFO, you may be able to move some of the "Other" factions into being on one particular side or another. Enjoy!

I think some of them you can probably already move to one side, or at least that's what I would guess. But of course a lot of uncertanities.

Pro Bonehunters or the "good" side: The Snake, Gruntle, Setoc, Mappo, Mael (helped already), Krul (connection to Mael), Hood (worked with ST & Rake), Toc & Bridgeburners (they have to be good), Rud Ellale & Silchas Ruin, Shake (no real connection so far, but they look like the good ones)

"Bad" Side (not necessarily to help the FA): The Tiste Liosan, Kilmandaros, Sechul Lath, Errastas, Dragons are always chaos, Sinn(?)


If I list it that way the FA have to be a brutal force to have a chance. But then some gods might influence some things for their good.


Do we know more about Draconus, Gruntle, other Gods & Dragons, the Jaghut and the Bridgeburners?

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 12:08 AM

just read about the shake. hell yes are they good. oh god. and the FA you'll have to wait and see how brutal they are. Krul is always good in my eyes. and still hmmm your list is pretty good. and i would make one teeny change to it but thats cause i feel sorry for them
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Posted 13 January 2015 - 08:29 PM

I'm almost finished with the book and I have a question about the forces. So the answer is spoiler to anyone who isn't so far.

Does someone know the numbers of the FA forces commanded by Diligence and Reverence? These guys are human with very little Watered among them?
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Posted 13 January 2015 - 09:26 PM

TCG, Ch. 21:

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Hips aching, Sister Reverence made her way along the ridge overlooking the now-withered farmland. She could see where Brother Diligence had established revetments, arbalest sangers, berms and trenches. She could see how he intended to funnel the enemy to the place of killing. Only the forward echelons and the engineer corps of the Shriven Army were present, the rest remaining closer to the city where supplies could readily accommodate them.
Such an army. Fifty thousand for this one battle, says Brother Diligence. And soon, more Perish Grey Helms. Five thousand heavy infantry, fanatical, and entirely subject to my desire – and Brother Diligence’s. And surrounding the Spire, twenty thousand more, entrenched, immovable. What foe would dare this?


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Sister Freedom and Brother Grave command twenty thousand Kolanse infantry positioned ten leagues to the west. To support them, Brother Aloft oversees fifteen thousand Shriven auxiliaries. These combined forces are so positioned as either to respond to a break-out from the enemy holding the keep, or to drive south to engage the enemy marching here – should we perceive the need for them, which I do not.’ He fell silent then, and Reverence saw that his attention had been drawn downslope, to where a rider was fast approaching.



I'll look for more. But those are some concrete numbers to start with.
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Posted 13 January 2015 - 10:52 PM

Thx a lot.

From Ch. 23

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The K'ell Hunters struck the inside envelopment, driving the enemy back in a maelstorm of savagery. they swarmed out across the pasture and over the paddocks to swing round and plunge into the Kolansii flank, almost opposite the Teblor.
And in answer to all of this, High Watered Festian ordered his reserves into the battle. Four legions, almost eight thousand heavy infantry, heaved forward to close on the enemy.


So it's

  • 50'000 with Brother Diligence
  • 20'000 with Sister Reverence
  • 8000 Reserves (Or are they in one of the above )

What about the other forces?

  • K'Chain Che'Malle
  • T'lan Imass: 7459
  • Brys
  • Abrastal
  • White Face Barghast
  • Teblor
  • Perish

Ch. 23

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When he raised his weapon, his kin followed suit. Seven thousand four hundred and fifty-nine T'lan Imass. Another battle, the same war. The war we never lost, yet never knew how to win.

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Posted 14 January 2015 - 10:51 PM

More of Dilligence's troops. He says he has 50K in Ch. 23:

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Brother Diligence was reminded of those huge creatures as he watched the bulky provision wagons wheel upslope on the raised tracks, away from the trenches and redoubts. Feeding almost fifty thousand soldiers had begun to strain the logistics of supply. Another week of this waiting would empty the granaries of the city.


One Shriven thinks The Perish are about 7,000

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‘A moment,’ Diligence said. ‘I see you have ridden hard, Shriven, and such efforts tax your imperfect bodies. Gather yourself, and when you are ready, begin.’
The man gulped air for a dozen or so heartbeats, and then nodded. ‘Inquisitor, a report by relay. Six days to the south, an army approaches.’
‘And the size of this army?’
‘Perhaps seven thousand, Inquisitor.’
Diligence gestured one of his officers over. ‘Watered Hestand, prepare a single mounted battalion and a full support train – water and food for at least three legions. You are to make haste to intercept the army now marching up from the south. These foreigners are our allies, the land-based element of the Perish Grey Helms. Treat them with respect, Hestand, on your life.’


But I think its more like 5,000

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So much had been given to the silence, as if it was a precious repository, a vault that could transform all it held, and make of the fears a host of bold virtues. But these fears are unchanged. Shield Anvil Tanakalian stood before Krughava. The sounds of five thousand brothers and sisters preparing camp surrounded them.




Tehol's Letherii + Teblor = 600 to 1100 (one batallion plus 300 teblor)

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Idist resumed. ‘“Official now. Bugg formed up his own battalion, found an able commander for it, and then hired a fleet to transport said reinforcements along with all the resupply he could wedge into the holds. And then, following my proclamation of the sovereignty of the indigents out on the Isles, Bugg oversaw all the Teblor who, strangely, rushed to join the Letherii military with the aim of accompanying the Chancel fleet. Between you and me, the Teblor have to be the most contrary people I have ever known. Anyway, with all of Bugg doing this and Bugg doing that, I am understandably exhausted and I graciously accept your sympathy. To continue, the battalion now has three hundred Teblor in its auxiliaries. I believe some ancient prophecy has them in an advanced state of excitement.


Gilk White Face Barghast: 3-4,000

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‘Gillankai! Their hands are drenched in the blood of Pures!’
Tanakalian backed a step in the face of this sudden fury. Seeing this, Diligence narrowed his gaze on the Shield Anvil. ‘How many warriors among these Gilk?’
‘Three thousand, perhaps? Four?’


1,000 Kundryl

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‘Point is, could have been a lot worse, Badan. Look at the Khundryl. Six thousand went in, less than a thousand rode back out.


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Eight hundred and eighty warriors remained. She had stood among them, had wandered with them the wreckage of the retreat, and she had seen what she had seen.


Tool's got three grand:

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In the wake of Onos T’oolan, three thousand T’lan Imass followed. Orshayn, Brold, and a score more forgotten clans – those that fell in the Wars, those that surrendered to despair.


But by Chapter 16 its gone way up:

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‘See the cloud. We began as only a few hundred. We left a thousand to march behind him, as he demanded. But he has awakened Tellann. He has summoned.’
‘How many now, Rystalle Ev?’
‘Five thousand? Ten?’


Actually its:

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Another T’lan Imass, who had been standing behind Onos T’oolan, then spoke, ‘Mortals, we are eight thousand six hundred and eighty-four.’


As for the KCCM, in DoD:

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Stormy laughed. ‘With you in charge, Ges, I’ll hide anywhere. You barely managed a measly squad. Now you got thirty thousand lizards expectin’ you to take charge.


But they lost a bunch fighting the KCNR, I think.

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‘He got busted down for good reasons,’ Stormy cut in. ‘And he ain’t fixed none of those that I can see. In fact, he’s gotten worse. If he showed up in a recruiting line right now I’d send him to the cook staff, and if they was feeling generous they might let him scrub a few pots. As it is, though, he’s a sergeant, and I’m a corporal.’
‘Commanding seven thousand K’Chain Che’Malle,’ Aranict observed, lighting a stick of rustleaf from a small ember-box.
Stormy shrugged.


The marines at the barrow (Fiddler, et al): 100.

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Sister Freedom, how accurate is your gauging of the complement of this smaller enemy force?’
‘No more than a hundred, I believe, Brother Grave.’
‘Well then.’ The man smiled, face folding with the expression. ‘Two thousand against a hundred. Will you both forgive me for a small measure of confidence regarding those odds?’



Abrastal has Evertine Legion, Bolkando regulars and some Saphii drug addicts. Unsure of those numbers and of Brys's letherii contingent.
Theorizing that one could poop within his own lifetime, Doctor Poopet led an elite group of scientists into the desert to develop a top secret project, known as QUANTUM POOP. Pressured to prove his theories or lose funding, Doctor Poopet, prematurely stepped into the Poop Accelerator and vanished. He awoke to find himself in the past, suffering from partial amnesia and facing a mirror image that was not his own. Fortunately, contact with his own bowels was made through brainwave transmissions, with Al the Poop Observer, who appeared in the form of a hologram that only Doctor Poopet could see and hear. Trapped in the past, Doctor Poopet finds himself pooping from life to life, pooping things right, that once went wrong and hoping each time, that his next poop will be the poop home.
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Posted 20 January 2015 - 01:43 PM

  • Brother Diligence: 50'000
  • Sister Reverence: 20'000
  • Reserves: 8000 Heavies (?)
  • K'Chain Che'Malle: 7000
  • T'lan Imass: 8600
  • Brys: 4000-8000 (vague guess)
  • Abrastal: 4000-8000 (vague guess)
  • White Face Barghast: 3000-4000
  • Khundryl: 1000
  • Teblor: 300
  • Perish: 5000-7000

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