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#1 User is offline   bhokaralasenator 

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Posted 16 October 2014 - 04:05 PM

Just a thought...
If the Four Founding Races was actually a treaty/adjudication by the FA way back when that there should be no interspecies wars of genocide between them, then the Imass clearly violated that edict. Does this violation explain the FA's return and desire to kill/enslave everyone at the end of the Book of the Fallen? The T'lan Imass clearly did not abide by the peace, and the Forkrul Assail seem like they would take such an affront with no small action.
Just curious. I never did entirely understand why the FA went all world-domination during TCG, other than their vague talk of ideals and justice.
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Posted 16 October 2014 - 04:23 PM

I tend to think it was the Jaghut Tyrants that started it, but that's not really the important part.

I think the TCG FA were absolutely a splinter, extremist group - the Mujahadeen of the FA race - but I don't think the breaking of a treaty was behind their motives. I believe they were fanatically held to their belief that complete destruction of everything was necessary to return to their idyllic culture. I don't think they were seeking domination as much as expurgation.
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Posted 16 October 2014 - 04:58 PM

title spoiler alert :-)
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Posted 16 October 2014 - 05:04 PM

I wonder how the FA in Kolanse got access to the CG heart. The access to power could have corrupted that particular group of Assail.
That would jive with what Stonny said.

Interestingly "power" seems to give people the ability to act on their desires.
And in this case, it gave that group of Assail the ability to act towards the solution of elimination for the problem that vexed them.
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Posted 16 October 2014 - 05:16 PM

If we go with the assumption that the FA we see in Assail are 'pure', then it seemed to moi that the FA in TCG took over a human empire and were in turn 'corrupted' by the humans they ruled, hence their radical/insane conclusion that scorching the world was the only just path.

Another possibility is that it was the Heart itself that corrupted them. They likely found it after the Fall and kept it around, and over time it warped them further, similar to how The Lady in SW turned a large chunk of continent into one big sacrificial power source.
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Posted 16 October 2014 - 05:17 PM

View Postnacht, on 16 October 2014 - 04:58 PM, said:

title spoiler alert :-)


Noted, modgodded.
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Posted 17 October 2014 - 01:11 PM

Yap, since reading Assail I've taken the belief that the FA in TCG were a splinter group. Serenity and Calm were two of the group who had dealings with outside peoples for a while so that might have been another source of their "corruption" as well. They claimed their names whereas the guys in Assail seemed less willing to assign themselves ones.
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Posted 17 October 2014 - 03:13 PM

I can't imagine that Calm's imprisonment for millennia under that stone did much for her mental state, either, which likely played in to her involvement in the splinter group of the splinter group.

EDIT: Good point about them claiming their names.

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Posted 18 October 2014 - 03:29 AM

All good points. The FA in TCG definitely seemed like a deviation from the norm of their people. The pair that appeared at the end of Assail were much more true to their alleged form.
Interesting about the names, too. Can we assume that was not a trait of the main FA culture? That by adopting names the others somehow rebelled against the mainstream?
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Posted 14 August 2015 - 12:40 PM

I think there main objective was kill all humans and hopefully everything will go back to how it was way back when and if that don't work kill all and leave it to the wild
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Posted 02 December 2015 - 02:45 PM

I guess my only concern with that is that the Forkrul Assail are apparently living in their own society in Assail itself, undisturbed by the outside world. Some of the FA in TCG were released from captivity earlier in the series (Calm, Serenity) but the others appear to have been out and about for quite some time. If they wanted FA society back so bad, they could have just gone back home. Instead they enslave a couple armies and piss off all the gods, to what end?
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Posted 02 December 2015 - 05:05 PM

I think the point is that the two groups developed different concepts of 'Justice'.

The TCG group were effectively activists seeking to bring Justice to the world by ending it. I'd bet these were also the ones who warred with the Liosan.

The cave dwelling group on Assail dispense their flavor of justice when asked, or disturbed, but are otherwise content to stay aloof and away from everything.




We see that individuals like Calm and Serenity journeyed out into the world... fair bet they were FA who decided that Justice was best served by serving it on people with their fists, so they left the caves on Assail and did so. or they were just bored with sitting in a cave.


We know from elsebook that at some point there were FA cities that were eventually wiped out by Eleint... no idea whether the wandering activists or the cave dwellers were originally the city FA, but it does support the notion that not all FA choose to live the same way.




....all of which is to say ASSAIL may tell us what the FA in TCG left behind to pursue their crusade.
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