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Continuous read-through of Robert Jordans Wheel of Time Spoilers for all books, Spoilers unblocked and blatant

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:24 PM

View PostAndorion, on 01 October 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

47 chapters into Fires of Heaven.

1. The Battle: It was a bit disappointing honestly. I loved Mat's bits, and the setup with the tower with Rand and Egwene and Eviendha channelling reminded me very strongly of the sorcery enfilade at Pale in GotM. But I really wanted some good large-scale yet detailed battle-narratives.I was really missing SE's touch like the battle scenes in DG, RG, DoD TCG or even ICE in RotCG.

2. Character progression: I just finished Chapter 46, where Rand meets the Cairhinien and Tairen Lords and basically throws them all off balance. He seems to be pretty skilled in politics. But this is what I have a problem with. Uptil the end of the second book Rand was ignorant and pretty naive. Now he is playing the Game of Houses with the best. In the gap between these two points he hardly showed up in The Dragon Reborn, spent the first part of Shaow Rising yelling at Tairens and the second part, and the first part of Fires of Heaven with the Aiel in the Waste. In practical terms he should be a political amateur. So where is this coming from?
Frankly I find Nynaeve and Perrin's arcs more believable. Perrin was always more grounded, so it made sense he would go back home to make sure everybody's fine. Chapter 47 had a bit about Nynaeve internally wrestling with her origninal idea of taking care of the kids and all the new compulsions. Its this internal conflict and the resultant change that I want to see. And in Rands case thats what I am missing.

3. Why do we not get more Lan? I really wanted to see him cutting bloody swathes through soldiers.


1. Agreed. One of the most disappointing of the first few books, albeit for all the right reasons.

2. A bit of a RAFO, but Rand's always been more intelligent than anyone expects. His political strategy to that point is mostly to make demands, throw who he is in people's faces, and keep moving before they can do anything but obey. He's not exactly channeling the West Wing.

3. There is no such thing as enough Lan.
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Posted 02 October 2014 - 05:01 AM

View PostAbyss, on 01 October 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

There is no such thing as enough Lan.


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 01:30 PM

Finished Fires of Heaven.

I knew Moiraine was going to die the second she started handing out letters. What I was anticipating was that she would die in the raid, so the entire Lanfear thing was quite a shock. However that entire falling through a doorway thing is very shifty and my policy in high fantasy has always been to never trust a death unless I can see a body. This lesson came very early in life thanks to a chap called Gandalf the Grey and White.

The balefire duel between Rand and Rhavin was nice, and Nynaeve finally used the Dreaming for something other than communication. But my main worry is that RJ has basically introduced time-reversal through balefire which has opened up the whole time-travel issue, which is a very bad thing because unless you are careful this stuff just spirals into paradoxmania.

Who killed Asmodean? My guess is one of the Forsaken.

Did not like Lan riding off to some other Aes Sedai. He should have gone to Nynaeve so they could kick ass together. Nothing could have stood before the sword of the Malkieri and the Braid of Terror!!!

The Aes Sedai continue to be useless, politicking away to themselves. Frankly their continued insistence on rules, rules which lost almost all value the minute they left the Tower is pathetic. Their treatment of Siuan and Leane is insane. She was Amyrlin not just because of the Power but because of her brains! They simply can't seem to grasp the realities of a post-Dragon-Reborn world. The Seanchan continue to be noted only in the margins. I am expecting to here they have restarted the cmpaign and retaken coastal islands any day now. A full on invasion coould not be stopped without all nations united and the Aes Sedai taking the field. But of course they will continue to carp on rules and jockey for influence. Frankly Gareth Bryne is wasted here. He should find Morgase and march to Camelyn, where knowing Rand, he would be too happy to let them retake the throne on condition of loyalty.
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Posted 02 October 2014 - 03:25 PM

The end of Fires is a fun ride. Looking forward to your thoughts on Lord of Chaos.
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Posted 02 October 2014 - 04:24 PM

View PostAndorion, on 02 October 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

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Who killed Asmodean? My guess is one of the Forsaken.
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BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHEEEHEHEHEEeewheeeze.

Ahem... Sorry.



Everything you posted is RAFO-worthy, but for what it's worth, your reactions are right in line with most.
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Posted 02 October 2014 - 04:38 PM

View PostAndorion, on 30 September 2014 - 02:56 AM, said:

Elayne who is princess and heir to Andor, Aes Sedai in training and an exceptionally good one at that (She casually mentions she can make Ter'angreal when absolutely no one has been able to do that since the Breaking)


There's pretty hefty magic inflation throughout the books. Every time he wants to emphasise how great someone is, they're doing something no one could before...and then the next time around, the next person needs to do something even more ridiculous, etc. Likewise, people easily defeating people built up as incredibly powerful, to show how great they are, for whatever particular effect he's going for at a given moment.

I'm sure there's a TVtropes page dedicated to it.

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 04:40 PM

Also, if you go back through this forum you can probably find several different essays by Terez about Asmodean written at various points...

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Posted 02 October 2014 - 04:53 PM

No one should taint their understanding of fiction from exposure to tvtropes. And I wouldn't search for Terez's posts yet because they'll be full of spoilers with no real way to filter out the ones without them.
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Posted 02 October 2014 - 04:55 PM

View PostIlluyankas, on 02 October 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

...And I wouldn't search for Terez's posts yet because they'll be full of spoilers with no real way to filter out the ones without them.


I agree, especially with the series being completed.
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Posted 02 October 2014 - 04:58 PM

View PostGrief, on 02 October 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Also, if you go back through this forum you can probably find several different essays by Terez about Asmodean written at various points...



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No one should taint their understanding of fiction from exposure to tvtropes. And I wouldn't search for Terez's posts yet because they'll be full of spoilers with no real way to filter out the ones without them.


Duly noted. I am assuming this is a hotly debated topic.
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Posted 02 October 2014 - 04:58 PM

View PostGrief, on 02 October 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

View PostAndorion, on 30 September 2014 - 02:56 AM, said:

Elayne who is princess and heir to Andor, Aes Sedai in training and an exceptionally good one at that (She casually mentions she can make Ter'angreal when absolutely no one has been able to do that since the Breaking)


There's pretty hefty magic inflation throughout the books. Every time he wants to emphasise how great someone is, they're doing something no one could before...and then the next time around, the next person needs to do something even more ridiculous, etc. Likewise, people easily defeating people built up as incredibly powerful, to show how great they are, for whatever particular effect he's going for at a given moment.

I'm sure there's a TVtropes page dedicated to it.


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Posted 02 October 2014 - 05:03 PM

There's a 'what does the angreal say about his One Power level' joke somewhere in there
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Posted 02 October 2014 - 06:56 PM

View PostAndorion, on 02 October 2014 - 04:58 PM, said:

View PostGrief, on 02 October 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Also, if you go back through this forum you can probably find several different essays by Terez about Asmodean written at various points...



View PostIlluyankas, on 02 October 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

No one should taint their understanding of fiction from exposure to tvtropes. And I wouldn't search for Terez's posts yet because they'll be full of spoilers with no real way to filter out the ones without them.


Duly noted. I am assuming this is a hotly debated topic.


Yes. Welcome to the series great debate. Also don't even try to look at other threads cause you WILL get spoiled I promise.

Also what makes you think my boy Asmo got offed by a Forsaken?
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Posted 02 October 2014 - 09:20 PM

View PostBriar King, on 02 October 2014 - 06:56 PM, said:

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Also what makes you think my boy Asmo got offed by a Forsaken?


Oh stop, just stop. It's not even fair. :rant:
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Posted 03 October 2014 - 01:17 AM

View PostAbyss, on 02 October 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

View PostBriar King, on 02 October 2014 - 06:56 PM, said:

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Also what makes you think my boy Asmo got offed by a Forsaken?


Oh stop, just stop. It's not even fair. :rant:


Because Asmodean knew the chap, and all the people he knew from Rand's circle were either not in Camelyn or with Rand. Plus Moghedien says something about Sammael and Rhavin setting a joint trap for Rand. Rhavin gets offed, so it might be Sammael.
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Posted 03 October 2014 - 01:34 AM

That's the idea, channel that inner detectiveness of your brain!
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Posted 05 October 2014 - 02:59 AM

About 6 chapters into Lord of Chaos and nothing seems to be happening. After an intriguing beginning with Demandred in the Pit of Doom, the story just flattens. Its basically Rand Travelling around and Mat dancing. In great detail. I really could have done without that dance. This is one problem of RJs that seems to be getting amplified.... the time he takes to get a book going. Even Sammael and Graendals conversation was boring.
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Posted 05 October 2014 - 02:59 AM

This is when I most miss GotM which in my opinion holds the record for the most explode-in-your-face storyline.
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Posted 05 October 2014 - 03:25 AM

View PostAndorion, on 05 October 2014 - 02:59 AM, said:

This is when I most miss GotM which in my opinion holds the record for the most explode-in-your-face storyline.


Yea they are on totally diff scales.

Ah Demandred! Fuck yes my fav of the Forsaken.

Welcome to the "most agree downward spiral of RJ". I personally liked 6 and I really like 7( my 2nd fav) I'm in the minority on that.

Your in store for some cool arcs in 6 though so push PUSH through those pages.
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Posted 05 October 2014 - 03:29 AM

Oh also that spoiler I said you shouldn't read on pg 1 or 2 became relevant as of the prolog for 6. In regards to the Forsaken.
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