[Nimander Golit]

Emurlahn, on 16 September 2014 - 11:16 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 16 September 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

I do agree that the Treaty of Rosetta thing is new and strange since it doesnt fit in with anything like the stardard role PM that Tapper exhibited. But I have been waiting for the scene to be fleshed out also as I thought it would help move things along a bit

There is x2 nobless noble and x1 Rosetta I don't see any indicator of what the third faction you are mentioning is.

Noblesse is the place/country we are in. We are ALL Noblessese (presumably). So Hentos is right, Cast was not necessarily the same faction as Gait, and indeed surnames seem to be a better indicator of faction, as the surname indicates the region of Noblesse the dead thus far belong to (aside from Lock who, as I said, appears unique somehow)

[Karosis]

Hentos Ilm, on 16 September 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 16 September 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

So if the thought that there were 5 factions to start with (5x3=15 people) was true, did we just loose one of the factions?

Iparth Erule, on 16 September 2014 - 06:31 AM, said:

It would explain the absence of a NK on night 1 (the healer/guard got lucky) , it would explain why we have had 2 deaths among one faction out of 3 deaths total. It would make sense if you look at Lock's CF

"A signee of treaty of Rosetta"
Maybe he was recruited?

Thoughts?

The first thing that really jumps out at me this morning are these two comments. It seems fairly obvious to me that all 3 players were from different factions. So why do we have 2 players that either purposely misrepresenting this on thread or have serious reading comprehension problems.

Noting the example role given in the OP, I am getting the feeling there is one predominant faction consisting of the Noblesse nobles and maybe other smaller factions picking them off. The treaty of Rosetta almost sounds like a roled noble. Maybe too many M&P's running through my head biasing my viewpoint.

[Meanas]

This indicates that you are not a member of the Noblesse noble faction

Fanderay, on 16 September 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

So if the thought that there were 5 factions to start with (5x3=15 people) was true, did we just loose one of the factions?

Hentos Ilm, on 16 September 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 16 September 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

So if the thought that there were 5 factions to start with (5x3=15 people) was true, did we just loose one of the factions?

Iparth Erule, on 16 September 2014 - 06:31 AM, said:

It would explain the absence of a NK on night 1 (the healer/guard got lucky) , it would explain why we have had 2 deaths among one faction out of 3 deaths total. It would make sense if you look at Lock's CF

"A signee of treaty of Rosetta"
Maybe he was recruited?

Thoughts?

The first thing that really jumps out at me this morning are these two comments. It seems fairly obvious to me that all 3 players were from different factions. So why do we have 2 players that either purposely misrepresenting this on thread or have serious reading comprehension problems.

Why would someone bring up recruitment? Have we seen anything to indicate recruitment in anyway so far. That seems like fearmongering.

I see it as 2 players from one faction (Nobles) and 1 player from another faction (treaty).

[Meanas]

If you where a member of the Nobles faction then you would have known that it isn't eliminted.

Fanderay, on 16 September 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

So if the thought that there were 5 factions to start with (5x3=15 people) was true, did we just loose one of the factions?

Vote

Fanderay

[Path-Shaper]

The scenes have been filled in.

There's 15 hours and 4 minutes left in the day.

12 are alive

7 to lynch, 6 for night.

1 vote for Fanderay (Meanas)

Not voted: Anthras, Bendal Home, Dejim Nebrahl, Emurlahn, Fanderay, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Irule, Jalan, Karosis, Nimander Golit, Okaros.

[Path-Shaper]

In a side-note, I spent yesterday and last night puking my guts out. As a result, my updates (as well as SH) have been non-existent. Apologies.

[Path-Shaper]

Since this wasn't apparently really clear:


Only members of the Independent Nobility coroner-find as "proud Noblesse nobles".

[Nimander Golit]

Path-Shaper, on 15 September 2014 - 08:05 PM, said:

Lock is dead. He was Iacopo di Vicire, the Hope of Noblesse, proud signee of the Treaty of Rosetta.

With threats looming everywhere and the nobility unwilling to leave their priviliged positions and risk their neck to unite in an alliance, the leader of the city-state of Rosetta, Iacopo di Vicire, took the lead. While a few men and women would undoubtedly wrinkle their noses at his lineage, the Di Vicire family was noble in all but name. One of the first banker families in the peninsula, it had grown rich on insurance and investment, and only a few family endeavours had gone wrong, always leaving the family in a position to recover.
The Di Vicires slowly took control of the city state of Rosetta, and from there, they expanded their influence. Now Iacopo felt it was time to act, and he had travelled to the mercenary markets, collecting regiments and using the opportunity to canvass nobles, captains and likely allies and opponents. Unfortunately, on his way back to Rosetta, he was ambushed and none of his party escaped.

Iacopo's dreams of a united Noblesse lay in the dirt, and his grand treaty of Rosetta was nothing but a crumpled document without a single signature.

Path-Shaper, on 15 September 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

Cast is dead. He was Carlito, Barrone de la Loggia, a proud Noblesse noble

The Di Vicire family would not stand for the death of Iacopo. Their new mercenaries in tow, they set out to find who was behind his murder. Pointed in the right direction by a Kantonian mercenary captain, they fell on the small castle of La Loggia, murdering its baron, Carlito, and taking his wife and children hostage, to be fostered alongside Iacopo's children.

12 alive. It is now day 3.

So from this I get that Lock was meant to go around uniting people into a single faction? But his own faction also doesn't die with him, because it seems someone in his Di Vicire family took out Cast.


And from what Tapper has cleared up, it seems that yes, Cast and Gait were in the same 'independent' faction.


So like other people were beginning to suggest, it seems like we might have a large pool of one pseudo-faction to begin with, with others trying to unite/recruit like Lock in order to form more coherent factions.

[Emurlahn]

Well thats a LOT more stuff to go on with those updates.

So the cult master died without doing anything, and he apparently had a retaliatory kill which killed the hammer, that's harsh!

So still no NKs, thats interesting. Cautous, cautious, cautious.

[Emurlahn]

Nimander Golit, on 16 September 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 15 September 2014 - 08:05 PM, said:

Lock is dead. He was Iacopo di Vicire, the Hope of Noblesse, proud signee of the Treaty of Rosetta.

With threats looming everywhere and the nobility unwilling to leave their priviliged positions and risk their neck to unite in an alliance, the leader of the city-state of Rosetta, Iacopo di Vicire, took the lead. While a few men and women would undoubtedly wrinkle their noses at his lineage, the Di Vicire family was noble in all but name. One of the first banker families in the peninsula, it had grown rich on insurance and investment, and only a few family endeavours had gone wrong, always leaving the family in a position to recover.
The Di Vicires slowly took control of the city state of Rosetta, and from there, they expanded their influence. Now Iacopo felt it was time to act, and he had travelled to the mercenary markets, collecting regiments and using the opportunity to canvass nobles, captains and likely allies and opponents. Unfortunately, on his way back to Rosetta, he was ambushed and none of his party escaped.

Iacopo's dreams of a united Noblesse lay in the dirt, and his grand treaty of Rosetta was nothing but a crumpled document without a single signature.

Path-Shaper, on 15 September 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

Cast is dead. He was Carlito, Barrone de la Loggia, a proud Noblesse noble

The Di Vicire family would not stand for the death of Iacopo. Their new mercenaries in tow, they set out to find who was behind his murder. Pointed in the right direction by a Kantonian mercenary captain, they fell on the small castle of La Loggia, murdering its baron, Carlito, and taking his wife and children hostage, to be fostered alongside Iacopo's children.

12 alive. It is now day 3.

So from this I get that Lock was meant to go around uniting people into a single faction? But his own faction also doesn't die with him, because it seems someone in his Di Vicire family took out Cast.


And from what Tapper has cleared up, it seems that yes, Cast and Gait were in the same 'independent' faction.


So like other people were beginning to suggest, it seems like we might have a large pool of one pseudo-faction to begin with, with others trying to unite/recruit like Lock in order to form more coherent factions.

Looks like a cult leader to me, and in the scene it states he didn't get a single name, so who would be left to get revenge?

[Nimander Golit]

Emurlahn, on 16 September 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

Well thats a LOT more stuff to go on with those updates.

So the cult master died without doing anything, and he apparently had a retaliatory kill which killed the hammer, that's harsh!

So still no NKs, thats interesting. Cautous, cautious, cautious.

How do you know it was an automatic kill and not someone within Lock's faction who happened to kill Cast in the night?

[Emurlahn]

Nimander Golit, on 16 September 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 16 September 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

Well thats a LOT more stuff to go on with those updates.

So the cult master died without doing anything, and he apparently had a retaliatory kill which killed the hammer, that's harsh!

So still no NKs, thats interesting. Cautous, cautious, cautious.

How do you know it was an automatic kill and not someone within Lock's faction who happened to kill Cast in the night?

X-post read above, or here; he died without recruiting anyone

[Nimander Golit]

Emurlahn, on 16 September 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 16 September 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 16 September 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

Well thats a LOT more stuff to go on with those updates.

So the cult master died without doing anything, and he apparently had a retaliatory kill which killed the hammer, that's harsh!

So still no NKs, thats interesting. Cautous, cautious, cautious.

How do you know it was an automatic kill and not someone within Lock's faction who happened to kill Cast in the night?

X-post read above, or here; he died without recruiting anyone

Hmm true. I was just thinking what would be the point of a retaliatory kill? I mean, Lock's already dead so what does he care? But I guess if they had died much later on in the game, then the retaliatory kill might have helped out his faction by getting rid of a rival.

[Emurlahn]

Nimander Golit, on 16 September 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 16 September 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 16 September 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 16 September 2014 - 01:53 PM, said:

Well thats a LOT more stuff to go on with those updates.

So the cult master died without doing anything, and he apparently had a retaliatory kill which killed the hammer, that's harsh!

So still no NKs, thats interesting. Cautous, cautious, cautious.

How do you know it was an automatic kill and not someone within Lock's faction who happened to kill Cast in the night?

X-post read above, or here; he died without recruiting anyone

Hmm true. I was just thinking what would be the point of a retaliatory kill? I mean, Lock's already dead so what does he care? But I guess if they had died much later on in the game, then the retaliatory kill might have helped out his faction by getting rid of a rival.

Whatever reason it had, cult = no more. (Possibly recruits also got this revenge kill effect but is defunct now)

So 15 alive at the start

3x4 = 12 + cult = 13 leaves 2 unknowns left over

However that is assuming equal faction sizes, which I am not sure is the case to be honest.

The most interesting piece of news to me is that there still has not been a single hostile action performed in the game.

[Jalan]

WCS I don't think we can assume that the cult (or whatever Lock's faction is) is "no more", since they allegedly hold Rosetta, are a family, and are always in a "position to recover". Maybe the leader was whacked, but I don't want to assume they started out as a single member. Someone else may have inherited. Basically, whether they are cult or not, I don't think Lock was solo.

As for the kill, I like the idea of it as an auto-retaliatory kill because obviously with a lynch + instantaneous nights there was no way for anyone to choose a kill target., and the way the scene is written suggests as such.

[Jalan]

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there was no way for anyone to choose a kill target

Anyone from that faction, I mean, unless a "kill the hammer" provisional is acceptable.

[Iparth Erule]

I like the idea of retaliatory NK, it fits well. I also believe that the cult at least have one more member remaining, because it would be too naive to assume that Lock did nothing on night 1. The way he rolled over and gave up also reinforces this belief.

I also do not like Meanas voting for Fanderay one little bit. It seems like he is revealing as Independent Nobility which I find suspicious, no one would draw a target on their back just like that.

[Okaros]

Not read past the cfs of Cast and Lock but My initial thought is we lynched someone important in Lock. The other two cfs we've had were barones whereas Locks seems more formal

[Okaros]

Nimander Golit, on 16 September 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 16 September 2014 - 11:16 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 16 September 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

I do agree that the Treaty of Rosetta thing is new and strange since it doesnt fit in with anything like the stardard role PM that Tapper exhibited. But I have been waiting for the scene to be fleshed out also as I thought it would help move things along a bit

There is x2 nobless noble and x1 Rosetta I don't see any indicator of what the third faction you are mentioning is.

Noblesse is the place/country we are in. We are ALL Noblessese (presumably). So Hentos is right, Cast was not necessarily the same faction as Gait, and indeed surnames seem to be a better indicator of faction, as the surname indicates the region of Noblesse the dead thus far belong to (aside from Lock who, as I said, appears unique somehow)

which surely points a finger at those who were guessing one faction gone or feigning ignorance of the noblesse noble?

[Okaros]

Meanas, on 16 September 2014 - 01:17 PM, said:

If you where a member of the Nobles faction then you would have known that it isn't eliminted.

Fanderay, on 16 September 2014 - 02:42 AM, said:

So if the thought that there were 5 factions to start with (5x3=15 people) was true, did we just loose one of the factions?

Vote

Fanderay

I see probably where i'm going to vote too.