[Jalan]

Meanas, on 17 September 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 September 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

Meanas, on 17 September 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 September 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

Jalan, again I still want to hear from you. Talk.

Vote Jalan


No lynch is a little dissapointing but mostly expected. Yes I could have switched to Fanderay however there still wouldn't have been enough votes down.

Bullshit. If you had wanted to switch to Fanderay you just should have. Saying that you would have today is bullshit. Why are you voting for Jalan? Fanderay wasn't right about Okaros being a german what makes you think that he wasn't lying about everything. Right now I assume that unless proven otherwise everyone who didn't vote for Fanderay is a cult member. FYI if Jalan can kill it looks like he isn't the only one. Anything that can recruit can recruit cult members. Doesn't it seem a little bit strange that last night the kill went for Okaros rather then Jalan? If I was another teams killer I would have wanted to have taken out the competition.


Vote Fanderay

I didn't want to switch to Fanderay. I could have but I didn't want to. Voting for Jalan because I wanted to hear from him and it tends to concentrate the mind a little.

The kill going for Okaros isn't at all suprising. Fanderay played him as part of his faction, potentially leader, so whoever had the other kill would have them as a primary target. Why take out an outed killer unless you need to, he could help reduce other faction(s) further.

Why not take out an outed killer of another faction? Your kidding right. The fact that they can kill you is a pretty good reason to take them out. Go for the direct threat first then take out the indirect threat. That is basic.

Then let me get myself modkilled. I don't want you wasting lynches on me. In fact, I GUARANTEE if you put me at L-3, I will off myself so you can go elsewhere.

[Nimander Golit]

Jalan, on 17 September 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

Should we believe Fandaray? If he's some Austrian traitor general, he could still potentially kill.

But he's getting lynched in all likelihood, so it doesn't matter does it.

[Jalan]

But better than that, give me a target. If you let me live, and don't give me a target, I'll do my best to kill someone I suspect as cult.

[Jalan]

Nimander Golit, on 17 September 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

Jalan, on 17 September 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

Should we believe Fandaray? If he's some Austrian traitor general, he could still potentially kill.

But he's getting lynched in all likelihood, so it doesn't matter does it.

If that's the case (which I think is a waste of time), who do peopel want me to target?

[Jalan]

Answer that while I'm in bed.

Which iswhere I'm goign now.

My life is a mess right now, so I'm happy to pass the buck on this one to all of you.

[Meanas]

Anthras, on 17 September 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

Meanas, on 17 September 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 September 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

Jalan, again I still want to hear from you. Talk.

Vote Jalan


No lynch is a little dissapointing but mostly expected. Yes I could have switched to Fanderay however there still wouldn't have been enough votes down.

Bullshit. If you had wanted to switch to Fanderay you just should have. Saying that you would have today is bullshit. Why are you voting for Jalan? Fanderay wasn't right about Okaros being a german what makes you think that he wasn't lying about everything. Right now I assume that unless proven otherwise everyone who didn't vote for Fanderay is a cult member. FYI if Jalan can kill it looks like he isn't the only one. Anything that can recruit can recruit cult members. Doesn't it seem a little bit strange that last night the kill went for Okaros rather then Jalan? If I was another teams killer I would have wanted to have taken out the competition.


Vote Fanderay

I didn't want to switch to Fanderay. I could have but I didn't want to. Voting for Jalan because I wanted to hear from him and it tends to concentrate the mind a little.

The kill going for Okaros isn't at all suprising. Fanderay played him as part of his faction, potentially leader, so whoever had the other kill would have them as a primary target. Why take out an outed killer unless you need to, he could help reduce other faction(s) further.

Also your saying that at the end of the day you where happy and satisfied with no lynch. Because that is what you not removing and voting for Fanderay in order to get a lynch is showing. That is especially good to know. It gives us the next place to look after Fanderay has been lynched. Iparth actually managed to step up and vote for Fanderay. You on the other hand have given no indication that you care about lynching a cult member.

So you keep right on trying to deflect a lynch off of Fanderay.

[Fanderay]

Sorry Jalan, I didn't see anyway other way to play my recruitment other than to reveal.

[Fanderay]

Shitty coding by the way Okaros's ghost.

[Anthras]

Meanas, on 17 September 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 September 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

Meanas, on 17 September 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 September 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

Jalan, again I still want to hear from you. Talk.

Vote Jalan


No lynch is a little dissapointing but mostly expected. Yes I could have switched to Fanderay however there still wouldn't have been enough votes down.

Bullshit. If you had wanted to switch to Fanderay you just should have. Saying that you would have today is bullshit. Why are you voting for Jalan? Fanderay wasn't right about Okaros being a german what makes you think that he wasn't lying about everything. Right now I assume that unless proven otherwise everyone who didn't vote for Fanderay is a cult member. FYI if Jalan can kill it looks like he isn't the only one. Anything that can recruit can recruit cult members. Doesn't it seem a little bit strange that last night the kill went for Okaros rather then Jalan? If I was another teams killer I would have wanted to have taken out the competition.


Vote Fanderay

I didn't want to switch to Fanderay. I could have but I didn't want to. Voting for Jalan because I wanted to hear from him and it tends to concentrate the mind a little.

The kill going for Okaros isn't at all suprising. Fanderay played him as part of his faction, potentially leader, so whoever had the other kill would have them as a primary target. Why take out an outed killer unless you need to, he could help reduce other faction(s) further.

Why not take out an outed killer of another faction? Your kidding right. The fact that they can kill you is a pretty good reason to take them out. Go for the direct threat first then take out the indirect threat. That is basic.

Because he was outed on thread therefore they can try to steer thread to putting a target they like (or at least actively don't dislike) forward for Jalan to kill. If he kills them then good, a rival out the way. If he doesn't then thread will lynch him anyway for not doing as told, leaving the NK free for someone either more important or mroe unknown.

[Anthras]

Fanderay, on 17 September 2014 - 01:47 PM, said:

Sorry Jalan, I didn't see anyway other way to play my recruitment other than to reveal.

It isn't Jalan you should be appologising to but the rest of your team.

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B2) Act in any way intended to reduce the chance of their faction achieving its win conditions. (However, should all surviving members of a faction agree that they wish to resign and end the game early, they may do so by PMing the mods privately, without stating their intentions on-thread until the mods post to announce that the game is over.)

[Fanderay]

Anthras, on 17 September 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 17 September 2014 - 01:47 PM, said:

Sorry Jalan, I didn't see anyway other way to play my recruitment other than to reveal.

It isn't Jalan you should be appologising to but the rest of your team.

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B2) Act in any way intended to reduce the chance of their faction achieving its win conditions. (However, should all surviving members of a faction agree that they wish to resign and end the game early, they may do so by PMing the mods privately, without stating their intentions on-thread until the mods post to announce that the game is over.)

to the best of my knowledge I was giving up a whole faction to my teamates, that is not throwing in the towel

[Fanderay]

And my apology was to the person playing Jalan.

[Fanderay]

and now everyone has left. great

The only safe vote I have at the moment is Jalan and I have to leave soon for a few hours.

I'm going to leave my vote there while I am gone.

so I will leave it up to the rest of you, known recruit, or known killer.

vote jalan

[Dejim Nebrahl]

Before we can go on a culture hunt, might I suggest that we do a little more thinking about the cultures? (Not necessarily the same thing as factions)

This is the ToD world but in Italy. We're talking about a game world based on a real world. City states with shifting loyalties between powers.

Things we know:

There is a class of "Independent Nobility". Three dead members of that class.

There is a merchant class. One dead member.

There are mercenaries. Whether they are represented in this game by actual player(s) is yet to be seen. They could manifest as simply an NK ability as has been suggested.

There are claimed Germans and/or Austrians. An outside force or forces.

There is a claimed recruit function.

All of those would fit in the ToD world as we know it as well as what was historically happening in Renaissance Italy. (Except the Germans? I remember lots of French interference but not much of what was coming from the north or east.)


things we can deduce:

There is/was a portion of the merchant class that is/was attempting to form a power base for themselves.

If there is an Independent Nobility should there not also be a non-independent nobility? Posit these are the leaders of the more powerful city states. The existence of this class is shown in the Okaros death scene.




Fanderay's reveal as verified by Jalan makes me think that we shouldn't necessarily think "cult" in the mafia use of the word. If Fanderay had been recruited by such a cult would he not have been left in place? this strikes me as more of a "you have switched sides and now reside amongst the forces of Venice (example name)" type of thing.


I want to see Fanderay's CF to see who recruited him.
I want to see Jalan's CF to verify the existence of the claimed outside force.

[Nimander Golit]

I think both Fandy and Jalan have 3 votes now.

This is only a tough decision in the sense that I wish both were dead. Getting rid of Jalan's NK seems more sensible, but then Fanderay's CF could possibly give us some good info.

Indeed, with Okaros' death last night, I can see Jalan biting it tonight.

So

Vote Fanderay

[Nimander Golit]

Dejim Nebrahl, on 17 September 2014 - 02:39 PM, said:

Fanderay's reveal as verified by Jalan makes me think that we shouldn't necessarily think "cult" in the mafia use of the word. If Fanderay had been recruited by such a cult would he not have been left in place? this strikes me as more of a "you have switched sides and now reside amongst the forces of Venice (example name)" type of thing.


I want to see Fanderay's CF to see who recruited him.
I want to see Jalan's CF to verify the existence of the claimed outside force.

This is essentially how I've been thinking of it too.

The Italian Renaissance was exemplified politically by instability, with a constant shifting of sides and alliances, whilst at the same time new would-be powers and players from different classes consistently emerged. There was also much interference from external forces.

The pseudo-Germans presumably come out of the Guelf-Ghibelline rivalry in historical Italy. The Ghibellines were pro-imperial (by which was meant the German Holy Roman Emperor), whilst the Guelfs were pro-papal. Speaking of which, I'm surprised we haven't heard anything about an ecclesiastical power thus far, if we're playing along these pseudo-Renaissance lines.

[Dejim Nebrahl]

"Rabble rouser, in the city of Gaiia, centre of the Peninsula of Noblesse, moments before he is dragged away from the Piazza della Pape to a dark dungeon full of nasty torture equipment. "

Gaiia seems to be the Rome equivalent. Is there a Church equivalent in this world? If so, then would they act as a 'cult' in the mafia sense of the word or as a power themselves?

is there a movement to establish a republic in one or more of the city states?

[Dejim Nebrahl]

Nice cross post.

[Nimander Golit]

Dejim Nebrahl, on 17 September 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

Nice cross post.

lol, yeah.

[Hentos Ilm]

So Fands reveal of Jalan has been confirmed by Jalan himself, assuming we believe either of them (this is Mafia afterall). There is also another killer out there assuming Jalan doesnt fess up to the Okaros kill. So again assuming Fand is telling the truth Jalan is probably a dead man tonight anyway, because who wants a vengeful killer roaming around that might get lucky. So I think we should let him live past the lynch and hope to get a kill out of him tonight, see if the good mercenary follows orders well. If he dies no loss there, but if not there is a potential gain to be had. The biggest downside to this is if they are both playing us somehow and 2 INs get offed tonight. Well then I suppose we have a target for tomorrow.

So as for who to lynch, I say we go ahead and get rid of Fand. If we dont it is going to be a shit storm of WIFOM tomorrow just like today. At the very least it puts the cult at a zero sum day since all they will be doing is replacing a recruit. Have Jalan target Iparth for the NK and the whole situation may resolve itself and give us more info to work with. So for now,

Vote Fanderay

A couple of side notes that I have started to look at and will flesh out later. Karosis and his whopping 5 posts is irksome. And purely gut feeling tells me that Nimander and Dejim are not IN, but like I said I need to look into it more.