[Ghennan]

Ryadd Eleis, on 05 August 2014 - 12:20 AM, said:

Right, so I think that Aranatha is town. Reasoning is that I don't think a guard/shield would have an ability which would counter the intentions of their scum leader.


Tennes is technically incorrect that the chances of Ghennan being a guard/shield are 50%, as I believe PS has stated that it is possible (though presumably not probable) for a regular gladiator to also win against a champion. However, the likelihood does seem to be that Ghennan is either a champion themselves or one of the guard/shields.

If we think of these guards as symps, as Skintick wisely urged, then it has to be said that Ghennan has been acting quite sympish. Loud, directing attention, keeping much of the focus on mechanics and speculation as to scum moves, continuing to pour suspicion on PIs including openly urging a Skintick death (right up to asking Skin to commit suicide if I remember correctly) 'for the good of town'.

Ghennan is my top choice right now, but I would need to read over his posts again tomorrow to cement it. But for now,

Vote Ghennan

If you think Aranatha is town, what do you make of me being put in his place after he forced bendal to choose another?

I disagree that I have been acting sympish. I proposed a theory on day 1 that I felt was a better choice for a lynch over a random player.
I am trying to point out how we can force bendal home to reveal more information than he wants to, and force him into using suboptimal strategies.
I have been loud yes, but it has been getting people talking, you want more days like thursday and friday?

As I have posted my thinking on skintick very clearly on thread already I won't belabour the point, if you still do not understand why it was necessary and beneficial for town at this point, nothing more I can say will convince you.

[Prazec Goul]

Ghennan, on 28 July 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 28 July 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

Haha, was that a poor attempt to turn attentions onto me, you who tried to distance yourself from Batiatus with your very first post?

And what's this about usurping to take his place? No mention of that in the OP. You wouldn't have perhaps got the idea from 1) the previous Tyrant Steve game, and 2) your own role PM, now would you?

This post is quite stupid, since all of Batiatus's team have to be dead before he can be killed.(stated in the OP)

Tennes, we can/could/might lynch someone distancing themselves from the tyrant because if they are distancing themselves they are on the same team. However YOUR post is very interesting. You apparently missed the obvious meaning of ryadds post, and immediately got very hostile to him very fast.

What is with that?

[Prazec Goul]

Sorry, was not meant to hit reply there. I am formulating my own opinion off thread, via PM and I was copy and pasting certain posts.

[Ghennan]

*Gets popcorn ready*

[Prazec Goul]

Ghennan, on 05 August 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

*Gets popcorn ready*

You do your own workings out.

As it stands you are the main contender for a lynch today with 2 votes. So instead of sitting around doing nothing, get your own analysis done and create your own case. Maybe mine will end up damning you further, or maybe not. Seriously though, sitting there being quiet is not doing your life any good. I'll be honest. I am on the fence about you.

[Prazec Goul]

Ryadd Eleis, on 29 July 2014 - 01:45 AM, said:

I was thinking, in most cases in these arena battles townies will be fighting townies. But not all townies are equal - specifically, the three named in the OP are probably of higher value, ability-wise.

Hypothetical scenario: If it happens that one of them ends up in an arena fight, and we can somehow be sure that they are who they say they are, I would suggest that the townie who's up against them not submit any actions, and sacrifice themselves for the good of the town by making sure those higher-ability townies survive.

[Prazec Goul]

Ghennan, in light of your recent fight, can you answer Ano's questions again?

Anomandaris, on 29 July 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 28 July 2014 - 08:50 PM, said:

After I mention that Skin may have been buddying up to bendal, bendal chooses to force skin to fight, but since the scum are generally better than town at combat he might be hoping for an early PI by having skin fight on day 1. This is also beneficial for them because today is the day, through sheer numbers, with the best chance of matching his scum up against one of the weaker town, who may not have received a scum combat boost role.

I am very interested in how this battle comes out.

(Yes I did spend a lot of time before the game thinking about what I would do if I got the tyrant role myself. Fuck you bendal!)

Edit: Changed ) to (

First, why do you think scum are better at combat than town?

Second, why do you think Batiatus knows his shields?

[Prazec Goul]

Just on the above, if we are assuming that scum are more powerful than town and we know that Skin was roled town then what does that make you Ghennan?

[Prazec Goul]

One of my biggest concerns is why would BH risk his shield, one of his lives against a known town role. Skintick obviously had an ability, how would BH know that his shield could beat that?

Earlier in the game Ghennan called BH out. That can be looked at from two different angles.

let's stick to the facts though.

Fact one. BH needs his shields to survive to win the game.

Fact two Skintick showed an ability (dodge) in his first fight scene.

Fact 3. Aranatha skipped out on the fight (what was this ability, I have not read up to that part yet)

For BH to win, he needs not to risk his shields, which makes me lean towards Ghennan being roled town. The reasoning is that BH could keep killing off town when they faced Skintick, until BH found a roled town to take out Skintick and then we lynch that roled town.

IF I was BH I would not have put a shield against Skin. I would have kept Skin around to vamp up the wifom later in the game.

I am still reading up, but these are my thoughts for now.

[Ghennan]

Prazec Goul, on 05 August 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

Ghennan, in light of your recent fight, can you answer Ano's questions again?

Anomandaris, on 29 July 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 28 July 2014 - 08:50 PM, said:

After I mention that Skin may have been buddying up to bendal, bendal chooses to force skin to fight, but since the scum are generally better than town at combat he might be hoping for an early PI by having skin fight on day 1. This is also beneficial for them because today is the day, through sheer numbers, with the best chance of matching his scum up against one of the weaker town, who may not have received a scum combat boost role.

I am very interested in how this battle comes out.

(Yes I did spend a lot of time before the game thinking about what I would do if I got the tyrant role myself. Fuck you bendal!)

Edit: Changed ) to (

First, why do you think scum are better at combat than town?

Second, why do you think Batiatus knows his shields?

Because it said so in the sign up thread. As has been gone over.

Prazec take a look at what I actually said. I never said in any absolute terms the strength of either side. I repeated only what was said by the mod because ano didn't read it.

[Prazec Goul]

The key to this game I think is Merrid. I'll explain when I get to the relevant bits.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 15 hours and 8 minutes remaining.

There are 9 Players left alive: Aranatha, Bendal Home, Eldat Pressen, Ghennan, Iparth Erule, Merrid, Prazec Goul, Ryadd Eleis, Tennes

5 votes to lynch. 5 votes for night.

1 vote Tennes: Ghennan
1 vote Ghennan: Ryadd Eleis

Players not voted: Aranatha, Bendal Home, Eldat Pressen, Iparth Erule, Merrid, Prazec Goul, Tennes

[Eldat Pressen]

Back and reading up

[Prazec Goul]

Path-Shaper, on 29 July 2014 - 03:03 PM, said:

It is Day 1. There are 10 hours 19 minutes remaining.


There are 14 Players left alive: Anomandaris, Aranatha, Bendal Home, Denesmet, Eldat Pressen, Ghennan, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Merrid, Prazec Goul, Ryadd Eleis, Skintick, Tennes, Ultama


2 votes Ghennan: Anomandaris, Skintick
1 votes Skintick: Ghennan
2 votes Denesmet: Prazec Goul, Kessobahn


Players not voted: Aranatha, Bendal Home, Denesmet, Eldat Pressen, Iparth Erule, Merrid, Ryadd Eleis, Tennes, Ultama

Tennes is the one that swings the vote away from Ghennan on day one onto one of the fighters.

I saw a brief interaction between them also on day one that smacked of distancing.

With my belief that Ghennan is on the town side of the fence, the spat between these two is more highlighted because Tennes actually votes away from Ghennan. Wanting to appease the masses?

The reason I am looking here, is that (although I have not got up to it yet), Merrid's defense of Tennes is the most activity that Merrid has given us this game so far.

Here is why I think Ghennan is roled town, he called it early. He wasn't to know that Skin was also roled town...

Ghennan, on 29 July 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 29 July 2014 - 04:00 PM, said:

Vote Denesmet

Of course Den's lynch also means we're lining up one of ourselves to fight Skintick

Does anyone here not think they can take him?

He limits himself to RHYMING COUPLETS, for gods sake. How good do you think he is in a fight to the death? Pssh.

Bendal you great big sack of wrikled scrotes, put me in the fight with skin! I'll rip that bastard to shreds! GIVE ME GLORY! Then give me a scum CF from skin pls pls pls

Unless of course, this IS a signal to BH that his shield can take out Skin...

Now that the lynch is set in place (6 votes, two to go)

Merrid ups his post count.

What I find interesting is that Tennes disliked my dislike of Merrid, thought my point about him was invalid, yet Merrid also defends Tennes.

Back to Ghennan, can we see a shield saying this?

Ghennan, on 29 July 2014 - 09:01 PM, said:

I am going to sleep and won't be back until after time out, so I will say this before I go.

BENDAL HOME I'M CALLING YOU OUT!

Put me in the arena to face skintick you cowardly stain of a horses ass! Your mother spawned you by using an inventive method of stealing a used napkin! You impotent, weak willed, lazy eyed bastard!

PUT ME IN TO FACE HIM! I WILL TAKE DENESMETS PLACE, AND FUCKING MURDER YOUR SCUM SHIELD. BRING. IT. ON.

Although Merrid "hates the rush to lynch", he makes sure he is voting, and does not even give a reason...

Merrid, on 29 July 2014 - 09:55 PM, said:

Back for a short time.

Ryadd Eleis, on 29 July 2014 - 08:29 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 08:10 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 July 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

Names his fighters early on - 6 hours 12min into game. Perhaps he has a time limit to choose the gladiators in? There's been no change to them so far either despite Denesmet being at L2 so I think BH is stuck once he names them. We could wait for the announcement then lynch one of his chosen ones to prevent the NK each night at the expense of BH picking the two targets.

This is a really good thought. I hadnt really thought about a time limit to his announcement and that would give us a bit of an advantage to work things out.

No it isn't. It's already been stated that Bendal can name a replacement should one of his choices be lynched - as will happen if Denesmet is lynched today.

Wilful blindness there Ryadd? Underlined *and* coloured to aid your comprehension.

That's all I've got time for. I am now out for the evening.

Vote Denesmet

It is safe for him to vote there without venturing an opinion, it also makes him look like a town member. (bear in mind that he had made one maybe 2 posts at most including a check in post. Now he is back in amongst the crowd)

day two Ano finds Merrid to be low posting scum, little content and full of summaries.

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 09:06 AM, said:

So, I'm going to go ahead and do a little fishing

Vote Merrid

And see what we can see.

After this huge debate between ano and ghennan...

I am going off the premise that the shields do know each other...

traction

Eldat Pressen, on 30 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Ok Caught up. Fucking Anomandaris is annoyingly ignorant of what is going on around him, doesnt really make him scum and unfortunately I have to agree with him that Merrid looks scummy at the moment as well. I really didnt like the Ultama vote and post flurry at the end as already stated. As for Shields knowing each other, I would simply assume the worst for the moment and figure that they do.

So someone else notices Merrid..

Finally Merrid comes out of the woodwork. He makes a post about Skin's ability and possibility of him being either scum or town.

Eldat Pressen, on 30 July 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

I actually want to throw Tennes out there as well. looking back through the thread his contributions have been pretty much non-existant. And yet from the posted post counts he is right there in the middle. So lets get something more on thread.

Vote Tennes

Eldat Pressen, on 30 July 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Just some more thoughts on Merrid at the moment. When he finally posts anything he is making these giant post walls consisting of questions that have already been answered, thoughts that are completely unhelpful and as stated general summations, which everybody should be keeping track of themselves. He isnt really throwing anything of value out and certainly seems to be going out of his way to not include anybody's name into fitting with how he sees the game to be going

Iparth Erule, on 30 July 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

Vote Tennes

fuck it I am very lazy and its been taking me hours to get anywhere.

I'll post and continue my read up.

Crux of my argument is I think Merrid and/or Tennes are a shield.

[Prazec Goul]

Tennes;

Tennes, on 30 July 2014 - 09:06 PM, said:

This post is disturbing, because it displays a level uselessness and incomprehension that beggars the mind. I would like to ask Kesso about his purpose in writing that post.

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 05:10 AM, said:

Yeah it's on my head and I have no fucking problem with that.

You know why? Because lacking even the most basic of town roles we are left with relying ALMOST COMPLETELY on CFs and who bendal chooses to fight, you SERIOUSLY wanted us to lynch someone bendal did not choose on day one? someone WHO WE HAD ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO VOTE FOR? And as to the "stupid fucking theory" most of the thread happened to agree with me, so I guess if you don't want stupid fucking theories to be tested you should provide better alternatives to stupid fucking theories, so people can see your giant brain at work and say "hey skintick is right that's a better idea!" but you didn't do that, you know how I know? Because that STUPID FUCKING THEORY was accepted as the best move for town.

I agree with this. We tested quite a few different things by lynching a combatant on day1 and we confirmed a PI for town. I'm gonna go out of my way and say that it was a useful day1.

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:10 AM, said:

So Skintick definitely had the ability, it was mentioned in the PS scenes, and actually is happening.

Now this could go one of two ways in my opinion, we could go after Kessobahn (My reasoning is now that Skintick is PI that Bendal will want him eliminated and that he would use his guard to do it. Banking on us not lynching a fighter for the second day in a row)

Or we could ignore Bendal's fight choices, lynch someone else and see a result of a fight for the first time.

BH chose Kesso before the lynch scene didn't he? He didn't know for sure that Skintick was a PI then.

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

We have to think how a guard would want to play this game, they are not going to want to stand out, they are going to want to stay off everyone's radar as much as possible. Easy to get into the later stages of the game by not making any waves, or venturing any strong opinions.

I don't agree with this at all. Because It is built on the assumptions that A)Shields will play passively.( let town guide themselves) and B)The best way to stay off everyone's radar is not making any waves. I mean how long did "not making any waves" last this game? one whole day...

Tennes says that bendal would not know for sure that Skintick is PI. For someone who has been very clever for the whole of this game so far I fail to see why he did not understand what I was saying. He also disagreed with me on how we should find the shields.

Tennes, on 30 July 2014 - 09:37 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

Anyway, I agree with the Denesmet vote if you people think that Bendal was going to put up a guard in night one.
I would suggest Skintick is RI, and I don't think we should believe Ghennan's 'always vote for fighters because one of them is sure to eventually be a guard!' theory he has going on.
What I'm not sure about, is if the Shields know each other. If they do, we can expect one to be out in front trying to guide people (cough, Ghennan, cough) and another lying low trying to cruise control (lowpost) to victory. Current lowposters are:
Merrid at 6
Aranatha at 6
Iparth Erule at 8
Kessobahn at 9
(me and tennes at 11)
I just did a read-up, and I don't remember anything about Merrid, and the only thing I remember about Aranatha was that he seemed to have not read the thread and was asking if anyone else thought Skin's reveal might be fake, after 2 pages of people arguing about it.

You can expect all you want but the red part is incorrect. You are assuming that Shields knowing each other will mean they have off thread comms. If they don't they have a way for cummincation, they can't collaborate as you suggest.

Ano and PG's reading incomprehension regarding Ghennan is disgusting, particularly for someone who dares accuse other townies of being "shitty town". (I'm looking at you Ano)

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 09:02 AM, said:

Just went through Merrid's massive 6 posts. Lowposting, just sort of agreeing and doing summaries of stuff already talked about, and he hops on the train. He does no attacking, no real digging, nothing that might get people riled up with him or to give anyone a second glance at him.

something something playing far too smooth to be town something something?

I agree with this post, it raises a good point.

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

Ghennen. Even if that is feigned indignation, it is a bit strong. There are three people talking here, or two and you ignoring me but even so, it's not like the whole thread is hanging on Anomandaris' words. He's poking you and you're biting.

Since Ghennen has apparently decided he can't have a conversation without taking his ball and going home, what do you think re: do the shields know each other?

Assuming the standard town/scum ratio is 3 to 1. This game setup makes it too easy for town win. (14 players/ 3 scum/11 town makes it almost 4 to 1) So I'm gonna say the Shields know each other and may even have lover convo. (unlikely)

Skintick, on 30 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

I try not to assume things. Bendal pretty much disappeared on day one. Also, you were doing a very effective job of keeping the focus of the thread on me. That is two possible reasons for him not mandating activity.

However, on day two he has switched to putting time limits on the mandates. That strongly suggests three or four things to me.

Care to elaborate on the "three or four things" ?

Eldat Pressen, on 30 July 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

I actually want to throw Tennes out there as well. looking back through the thread his contributions have been pretty much non-existant. And yet from the posted post counts he is right there in the middle. So lets get something more on thread.

Vote Tennes

I participated in the day1 talk, laid out my ideas and asked questions. Sorry I wasn't being a dick to everyone. Seriously, what the heck do you count as contribution?


So, what I think right now is that EP sucks. Anomander is a pompous ass with a good catch regarding Merrid and sucky reading comprehension. Prazec Gouls idea of how the shields would play is stupid, because of not making any waves would have led to not getting lynched, scum would have had the perfect strategy to play in every M&P game.
I also don't think the case on Ultama has much merit, it's built on him posting a lot in the middle of a day, isn't it?
The best lynch candidate right now is Merrid in my opinion.
Also, Crixus did have a game postponed during the tv series so ... (Skintick)

I will vote Merrid later in the day in absence of significant change.

Here Tennes casts doubt on Ghennan, as well as talks about the strategy of shields knowing each other. This model fits both Merrid and Tennes play this game. He ends with a "willingness" to vote for Merrid

[Prazec Goul]

What player openly creates a case on another player to show that they are town? Instead of looking for scum, Merrid actually defends Tennes, these are the posts that have been niggling away at me for days..

Merrid, on 30 July 2014 - 11:03 PM, said:

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 28 July 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

Haha, was that a poor attempt to turn attentions onto me, you who tried to distance yourself from Batiatus with your very first post?

And what's this about usurping to take his place? No mention of that in the OP. You wouldn't have perhaps got the idea from 1) the previous Tyrant Steve game, and 2) your own role PM, now would you?

This post is quite stupid, since all of Batiatus's team have to be dead before he can be killed.(stated in the OP)

Checks in, comprehension of the OP so good start compared to some.

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 06:25 PM, said:

May I ask what you count as "very hostile, very fast" ?
I just pointed out how his accusation could not be true. That makes him the one who is throwing shit at people without a logical reason.

Calm and collected or covering.

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 06:33 PM, said:

Ghennan, on 28 July 2014 - 06:28 PM, said:

Calling someone stupid in the first 5 words of your first post on thread counts to me as very aggressive

Really? Straw manning on page 1? I said the post was stupid not the poster.

Leaning towards calm

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 28 July 2014 - 07:16 PM, said:

This is just stupid.

Your face is stupid.

Yeah, calm and collected.

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 08:32 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 28 July 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Gladiators gather. This Ludus housed many champions in its time, and yet none greater stand before me on this day. I have secured position in the coming games! Two men to face each other in deadly contest. No quarter given, no mercy shown.

SKINTICK AND DENESMET! TWO LEGENDS TO APPEASE CAPUA AND THE GODS. MAY GLORIOUS DEATH BRING RAIN.

Whoever you are, you watch way too much Spartacus.

Has clearly watched some Spartacus.

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

What happens if we lynch Denesmet? Does Batiatus get another chance to chose fighters?
Those puns are like torture.

Good direction of thought, again game comprehension.

Tennes, on 28 July 2014 - 10:11 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 28 July 2014 - 10:08 PM, said:

Why Denesmet and not Skintick in this post?

Because of "thinking Capua" and "OH YEAAAH"

Which is referenced by the part about puns.


EDIT: What is with the Japanese avatar? Aren't you afraid of D'rek's wrath?

Agreed on voting reasons

Tennes, on 29 July 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

Here and read up. I like lynching one of the two combatants for day1, although I don't think it would be a good idea for the whole game. BH is likely to change his tactics after today and we shouldn't use WIFOM to choose our lynch candidates.
Also, I think we should test Skin's reveal. It will at least give us a PI person if he does deliver on his reveal.
I'm more likely to vote for Denesmet right now rather than Skin. But will wait longer for more discussion.

Tennes, on 29 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

Skintick, on 29 July 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

I think Bendal would not choose
one of his own to lose
in a fight
on first night

You're just repeating yourself. Despite the fact that I like your rhymes, I don't like you muddying the thread and making it difficult to reread.

Tennes, on 29 July 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

No CF tonight is no good. Im leaning towards voting Denesmet since at least if the fight still gets delayed we have at least one person to rule out for tomorrow. That probably is the most info we will get out of this.

I agree.

Vote Denesmet

Tennes, on 30 July 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

I'm here and trying to read up. I apologize for my absence earlier today. I was on the road for more than twelve hours.

I'm not going to quote his last two posts but they're in a similar vein. I find myself agreeing with Tennes in his approach to the game, his logic and his choices. All are sound, willing to test mechanics as needed but making sure to remind people not to let the thread be driven past D1 by it. Unfortunately he wants to vote me today.

Tennes is exemplary town. Maybe too good. Either way I will not vote for him today.

Merrid, on 30 July 2014 - 11:04 PM, said:

Dammit, post lost.

Not got time to re-do it, basics was read through of Ultama. Lots of niggles.

Vote Ultama

[Prazec Goul]

Then he comes on and adds more. Be back in a bit to highlight it, but it is the most active Merrid has been all game. Since then he has dropped off the radar.

[Prazec Goul]

Vote Merrid or Tennes

[Ghennan]

Prazec Goul, on 05 August 2014 - 12:00 PM, said:

Vote Merrid or Tennes

While funny, also very not allowed.

I do like your analysis though, and not just because you started leaning towards me being town

[Bendal Home]

Senator Crassus himself has made request for contest between champions of house Batiatus!

ARANATHA AND GHENNAN, GRAB GLADIUS AND COCK. SATE THE SENATOR AND CROWDS WITH CHAMPION'S BLOOD SHED IN GLORIOUS COMBAT.

and while I am here,

ARANATHA MUST SPEAK IN RHYMES FOR THE NEXT 5 HOURS.