[Tellan]

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 06:45 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

So the big question is does he getted offed today because we think he could be a 2nd. Or do we leave the little peon where he is and try to find someone that fits a big role better?

Well, to me the bigger fish is Omtose. I'm also curious why he is pushing a peon lynch, because how does he know that I'm NOT on his team? I think gambling on odds of taking out a big player from another team, outweighs accidentally hitting my team, which is rather not do this early in the game. Anyways, I took that VC to mean "if you live till the end and die for your leader" not "fuck your buddy". *shrugs*

You saying that you are trying to off a 2nd does have him a bit riled up. He might be a little worried its him.

[Omtose]

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 07:15 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 06:45 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

So the big question is does he getted offed today because we think he could be a 2nd. Or do we leave the little peon where he is and try to find someone that fits a big role better?

Well, to me the bigger fish is Omtose. I'm also curious why he is pushing a peon lynch, because how does he know that I'm NOT on his team? I think gambling on odds of taking out a big player from another team, outweighs accidentally hitting my team, which is rather not do this early in the game. Anyways, I took that VC to mean "if you live till the end and die for your leader" not "fuck your buddy". *shrugs*

You saying that you are trying to off a 2nd does have him a bit riled up. He might be a little worried its him.

He wants me dead because I speculated on game mechanics, but I haven't seen any post that actually details my "extra knowledge" and he doesn't know what role I am, because he thinks I'm a "big fish". Despite people having remarked upon my ideas as sensible. In fact, the longer the day has gone on, the more people have pointed out that my speculation might just be wrong, but it got people talking so no matter what SUCCESS.

Edit: Changed a but to and

This post has been edited by Omtose: 23 July 2014 - 07:36 PM

[Omtose]

Okay I need to go for tonight, so

Vote Galain

I think the reasons should be obvious given the last few pages, there really isn't any other good case at the moment.

[Desra]

this day is not being kind to me, still clueless for this day, bear with me

[Trake]

Kalse, on 23 July 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Kalse, on 23 July 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

Hmmm.....so are you assuming that I started as 2nd or, if possible, I was promoted?

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

Hmmm....would being lynched count as dying honorably?

I guess this could be slip-up #3, although seems this sounds more of a low caliber role. But the statements seem so out of place, so I was wondering if this was intentional misguidance...

Call it a slip, but I meant it as a reveal to give better understanding of mechanics as well as to prove that I have a minor role. As you see, this corroborates my belief that Omtose was not merely speculating.

Why are you replying as if this was addressed to you?

Yes, I already said this and no one seems to think much about it, or am I missing something?

[Galain]

Trake, on 23 July 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Kalse, on 23 July 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Kalse, on 23 July 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

Hmmm.....so are you assuming that I started as 2nd or, if possible, I was promoted?

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

Hmmm....would being lynched count as dying honorably?

I guess this could be slip-up #3, although seems this sounds more of a low caliber role. But the statements seem so out of place, so I was wondering if this was intentional misguidance...

Call it a slip, but I meant it as a reveal to give better understanding of mechanics as well as to prove that I have a minor role. As you see, this corroborates my belief that Omtose was not merely speculating.

Why are you replying as if this was addressed to you?

Yes, I already said this and no one seems to think much about it, or am I missing something?

If you are going to TALK about me, I see no reason with my commenting on the conversation. Oh. Wait. Fuck. There I go again.

[Desra]

Kalse, on 22 July 2014 - 10:51 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 July 2014 - 10:37 PM, said:

Kalse, on 22 July 2014 - 10:12 PM, said:

Fascinating. So individual roles as predicted by a leader of one of two known clans. This is going to take some research.

Yes, and Desra seemed resistant to the lynch...

Seems odd that independents would defend each other. Even if they were paired, distancing is the logical choice.

I wasn't resistant, just unconvinced and questioning.

[Desra]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 11:43 AM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

Ok finally able to get some thoughts on thread. This interaction D1 caught my eye. Omtose starts trying to put some presure on Kedeviss and immediately Fener jumps in and starts to sidetrack the though process away from looking at Kedeviss by trading insults with Omtose. then a few posts in drops off thread and Desra picks up the defense. I think either one or both are probably assassins

I noticed that incredibly quick and vehement defense yesterday as well, notice the times, I think around 15-20 minutes passed before they both leapt on me. But then, take a look at this;

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:

Kedeviss has been lynched. He was Blend, and the Master Assassin TENGU

it may have been careful phrasing from PS, but it mentions THE master assassin. is there any indication at the moment that there was/is more than one? I the end, in either case the defense of a independant player in a faction game on day 1 is so unlikely that I don't really think its worth looking at.

I wonder that too, seems like the previous Tengu mechanic was a bit like an FM in that the Tengu had to be killed more than once, or left a victim CF behind or some thing.

Can anybody remember that?

[Desra]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

Anthras, on 23 July 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

vote tellan
I believe you are a second, and if you are my team's second, you are too stupid to keep.

Well thats interesting I suppose

Yeah, this combined with his resistance to even discussing hypothetical mechanics is intruiging, but I don't yet know why he would act this way?


Galain can you expand a bit on why you think he is a second and why you think that means he should die no matter what?

His speculation on the seconds role is too detailed as I commented in an earlier post. Playing the odds, it is unlikely that he is my second.

Wait, WHAT.

Heh, sounds like a slip to me.

It seems almost too stupid to be serious. He voted tellan for speculating too much when it was actually me, and he seems totally dismissive of that little nugget, then he just blurts out with no warning he is a leader? Is there in mafia a ... suicider, type thing? Someone who wants to die?

That role does exist. a Fool or something

[Trake]

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 08:34 PM, said:

Trake, on 23 July 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Kalse, on 23 July 2014 - 05:55 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Kalse, on 23 July 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

Hmmm.....so are you assuming that I started as 2nd or, if possible, I was promoted?

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

Hmmm....would being lynched count as dying honorably?

I guess this could be slip-up #3, although seems this sounds more of a low caliber role. But the statements seem so out of place, so I was wondering if this was intentional misguidance...

Call it a slip, but I meant it as a reveal to give better understanding of mechanics as well as to prove that I have a minor role. As you see, this corroborates my belief that Omtose was not merely speculating.

Why are you replying as if this was addressed to you?

Yes, I already said this and no one seems to think much about it, or am I missing something?

If you are going to TALK about me, I see no reason with my commenting on the conversation. Oh. Wait. Fuck. There I go again.

I don't understand your reply here or what you think you're getting at. You replied to Kalse as if he was talking to you, when he was talking to Tellan. That's what looks pretty odd to me. So, once again, am I missing something there?

[Anthras]

Desra, on 23 July 2014 - 08:58 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 11:43 AM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

Ok finally able to get some thoughts on thread. This interaction D1 caught my eye. Omtose starts trying to put some presure on Kedeviss and immediately Fener jumps in and starts to sidetrack the though process away from looking at Kedeviss by trading insults with Omtose. then a few posts in drops off thread and Desra picks up the defense. I think either one or both are probably assassins

I noticed that incredibly quick and vehement defense yesterday as well, notice the times, I think around 15-20 minutes passed before they both leapt on me. But then, take a look at this;

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:

Kedeviss has been lynched. He was Blend, and the Master Assassin TENGU

it may have been careful phrasing from PS, but it mentions THE master assassin. is there any indication at the moment that there was/is more than one? I the end, in either case the defense of a independant player in a faction game on day 1 is so unlikely that I don't really think its worth looking at.

I wonder that too, seems like the previous Tengu mechanic was a bit like an FM in that the Tengu had to be killed more than once, or left a victim CF behind or some thing.

Can anybody remember that?

Yeah, tengu's NK kept the victim alive as a puppet until it was discarded for another nk'd puppet. But Tengu got lynched day 1 so i think we're ok (no chance to kill and whatnot)

[Desra]

Trake, on 23 July 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Lol at Galain. The irony of calling someone else stupid and then committing the stupidity themselves. I'm not sure why they then decided to reveal so much about themselves too.

what did he reveal? I must have missed it

[Trake]

Desra, on 23 July 2014 - 09:12 PM, said:

Trake, on 23 July 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Lol at Galain. The irony of calling someone else stupid and then committing the stupidity themselves. I'm not sure why they then decided to reveal so much about themselves too.

what did he reveal? I must have missed it

That their VC was to supposedly climb the faction ladder and then 'die honourably'. They just came out with it without anyone pushing them on it.

[Desra]

Omtose, I must say that you are generating a large amount of WIFOM and obviously enjoying it. In a M&P game, I'd call you scum for it, but what is your purpose here? You seem to be trying to whip up the crowd.


EDIT: That is not to say that others aren't going along.

This post has been edited by Desra: 23 July 2014 - 09:25 PM

[Desra]

Trake, on 23 July 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

Desra, on 23 July 2014 - 09:12 PM, said:

Trake, on 23 July 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Lol at Galain. The irony of calling someone else stupid and then committing the stupidity themselves. I'm not sure why they then decided to reveal so much about themselves too.

what did he reveal? I must have missed it

That their VC was to supposedly climb the faction ladder and then 'die honourably'. They just came out with it without anyone pushing them on it.

I think he said (and I agree) that it was to establish that he was low ranking. The question is whether it was a sincere or false action

[Jalan]

I should be back before timeout. I will lay down a vote then. So much to wade through from today.

[Fener]

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

Ok finally able to get some thoughts on thread. This interaction D1 caught my eye. Omtose starts trying to put some presure on Kedeviss and immediately Fener jumps in and starts to sidetrack the though process away from looking at Kedeviss by trading insults with Omtose. then a few posts in drops off thread and Desra picks up the defense. I think either one or both are probably assassins

So what you are saying is that I, who had already voted Ked, badgered Omtose to ACTUALLY vote for Ked, and then made some joke posts about avatar hair, was somehow trying to prevent Ked's lynch?
Either I'm the shittiest player in mafia history or you are an idiot. Whichever.

[Fener]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

Fener, on 23 July 2014 - 10:43 AM, said:

Ultama and Trake have amazingly large 3 posts a piece.




So I'm going to

Vote The Tiger of Summer, The Lord of War, The Great Whiskered One

And then go to bed as well. Hopefully people get a bit more chatty today.

I dislike this vote from Fener, it doesn't accomplish anything, as has been discussed to death in the last few months in practically every game, yet here we are with people still doing it. It has been shown multiple times that these votes don't get the people they name to come on and post more often. So it's starting to be, to me, an indicator of people trying to look like they are making decisions and putting on pressue without risking anything.

Claims this 'doesn't work', ignores that Trake has put on 10 posts so far in day two, compared to 3 in day 1. Your logic is flawless.

[Fener]

Desra, on 23 July 2014 - 08:58 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 11:43 AM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

Ok finally able to get some thoughts on thread. This interaction D1 caught my eye. Omtose starts trying to put some presure on Kedeviss and immediately Fener jumps in and starts to sidetrack the though process away from looking at Kedeviss by trading insults with Omtose. then a few posts in drops off thread and Desra picks up the defense. I think either one or both are probably assassins

I noticed that incredibly quick and vehement defense yesterday as well, notice the times, I think around 15-20 minutes passed before they both leapt on me. But then, take a look at this;

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:

Kedeviss has been lynched. He was Blend, and the Master Assassin TENGU

it may have been careful phrasing from PS, but it mentions THE master assassin. is there any indication at the moment that there was/is more than one? I the end, in either case the defense of a independant player in a faction game on day 1 is so unlikely that I don't really think its worth looking at.

I wonder that too, seems like the previous Tengu mechanic was a bit like an FM in that the Tengu had to be killed more than once, or left a victim CF behind or some thing.

Can anybody remember that?

So what happened to that whole 'whoever speculates on a new random style role is the one with that role' thing that people are always on about?

[Anthras]

Fener, on 23 July 2014 - 10:41 PM, said:

Desra, on 23 July 2014 - 08:58 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 11:43 AM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

Ok finally able to get some thoughts on thread. This interaction D1 caught my eye. Omtose starts trying to put some presure on Kedeviss and immediately Fener jumps in and starts to sidetrack the though process away from looking at Kedeviss by trading insults with Omtose. then a few posts in drops off thread and Desra picks up the defense. I think either one or both are probably assassins

I noticed that incredibly quick and vehement defense yesterday as well, notice the times, I think around 15-20 minutes passed before they both leapt on me. But then, take a look at this;

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:

Kedeviss has been lynched. He was Blend, and the Master Assassin TENGU

it may have been careful phrasing from PS, but it mentions THE master assassin. is there any indication at the moment that there was/is more than one? I the end, in either case the defense of a independant player in a faction game on day 1 is so unlikely that I don't really think its worth looking at.

I wonder that too, seems like the previous Tengu mechanic was a bit like an FM in that the Tengu had to be killed more than once, or left a victim CF behind or some thing.

Can anybody remember that?

So what happened to that whole 'whoever speculates on a new random style role is the one with that role' thing that people are always on about?

I think it hasn't been mentioned because tengu's role is in sengoku 3 SH so anyone could've found it or remembered it from that game.