[Path-Shaper]

Dejim Nebrahl, on 08 July 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Ha, no cussing. I am not near enough riled up. Cool, calm and collected. People will not think of Dejim as Tattersail. Also did you see this?

Hentos Ilm, on 08 July 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

Damn. That was a jolting switch from tatersex to serious business.
Remove Vote

I read it and thought that they had created a term for the way I bounce all over the thread with my accusations and pointy fingers. "Tattersex" but then I saw that it meant potato, as in Tater and I grew sad.

I had another post ready to comment on this but after re-reading, I let it drop.

[Brujah]

Liking ST's approach so far. Agree with him on how town needs to be more proactive in searching for scum by creating and examining interactions right away. In a game with this few people, it could only last a few days, so day 1 is a large percent of the amount of time town has to figure things out, so why continue to chalk it up as a free/wasted day.

I could see how some players might not like his initial approach style, and would agree except for the way he switched to a more serious mode and thoroughly explained his reasoning and actions. I'm not liking the attempts to criticize his play. It's better than the status quo of previous m&p games, and he seems to be onto Bendal and Ay somewhat.

Mostly, his play is helping to remove doubt as his being scum, which is what more town need to do each game instead of coasting and letting scum blend in. It's harder for a scum to try to fit in by trying to look like town actively searching for scum than as just another disinterested town, lazily coasting through day 1 trying not to get attention.

Bad part is that it could get him lynched or NKed again on day 1.

[Path-Shaper]

Tatts:

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Dejim Nebrahl, on 08 July 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

I read it and thought that they had created a term for the way I bounce all over the thread with my accusations and pointy fingers. "Tattersex" but then I saw that it meant potato, as in Tater and I grew sad.

Beats my comment about you jizzing all over thread last game, I'll give you that

-M

Dejim Nebrahl, on 08 July 2014 - 04:12 PM, said:

Yeah, that was a good comment too.

I think my quiet side has yielded a more fruitful thread to pick at cases. Without commenting on certain posts and players, they themselves have had to come out and make an effort.

I am at a loss at what to do next, because I don't want to be seen as scummy, because you know roleless innocent and all that. I am no longer confident in my Ryllandaras vote but I do not see a better option out there, and by removing with so little time left, I basically condemn Tholen to the day one lynch.

I am going to be away from the thread, and understand that we do need a lynch. I think I will leave it on Ryll and just swap "to get a lynch" if need be. no one has given a compelling argument to vote elsewhere for now.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 08 July 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

I have just logged in via my phone. So I can remove and add later if need be.

I have 3 browsers open on the computer and now my phone. I am keeping up to date with events as they unfold.

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

Dejim Nebrahl, on 08 July 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

I have just logged in via my phone. So I can remove and add later if need be.

I have 3 browsers open on the computer and now my phone. I am keeping up to date with events as they unfold.

I hadn't noticed including a Vord Queen in the setup...

Dejim Nebrahl, on 08 July 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2014 - 04:16 PM, said:

Dejim Nebrahl, on 08 July 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

I have just logged in via my phone. So I can remove and add later if need be.

I have 3 browsers open on the computer and now my phone. I am keeping up to date with events as they unfold.

I hadn't noticed including a Vord Queen in the setup...

I don't mind being upgraded

Dejim Nebrahl, on 08 July 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:

Shit I am being called upon to say shit and I'm about to eat my tea.

Bastards haha.

Not replying yet. Scrumptious food

Dejim Nebrahl, on 09 July 2014 - 08:14 AM, said:

2 town down. Not a good start to the day.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 July 2014 - 08:15 AM

[Path-Shaper]

EmperorMagus:

Ay Estos, on 07 July 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

Thanks, I guess?
I don't think I've ever played as Symp.
Also, sign up thread lists 10 players, who is the eleventh?
Do BH and Kilava know each other/ have lover convo ?

Path-Shaper, on 07 July 2014 - 09:14 AM, said:

Ay Estos, on 07 July 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

Thanks, I guess?
I don't think I've ever played as Symp.
Also, sign up thread lists 10 players, who is the eleventh?
Do BH and Kilava know each other/ have lover convo ?

You'll be fine I'm sure

Blend pipped up Sunday pm - did some hasty re-randomising

They know each other

Ay Estos, on 07 July 2014 - 09:15 AM, said:

And our illustrious mod is Mess?

Path-Shaper, on 07 July 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Ay Estos, on 07 July 2014 - 09:15 AM, said:

And our illustrious mod is Mess?

With Venge hanging around if he ever reads the PM I sent him with the passwords in!

Ay Estos, on 07 July 2014 - 09:17 AM, said:

Great.

Ay Estos, on 08 July 2014 - 06:04 PM, said:

I never get picked on day1. now Ryll (I'm assuming he is Tatts) has latched onto me.
Asshole.

Ay Estos, on 08 July 2014 - 07:06 PM, said:

I liked the distancing between the two scum. They acted superbly.
I hope the heat I took today from Ryll is enough to keep me from being NK'ed.
I'm not going to signal, I don't think it would benefit us.

[Path-Shaper]

The Unfound:

Okral Lom, on 08 July 2014 - 12:20 PM, said:

Ok so first alt guess is Inane for Denesmet

Okral Lom, on 08 July 2014 - 05:06 PM, said:

I think Rhyllandaras might be Tatts. Not quite as many giant quote blocks as usual, though he did say he was going to be a low poster.

Okral Lom, on 08 July 2014 - 08:50 PM, said:

Well shit I think that means Denesmet is probably ST and I have a gut feeling he is probably scum again

Sir Thursday:

Ryllandaras, on 08 July 2014 - 12:44 PM, said:

Check that impression of HI - I missed that he dropped a vote on Tholen, which changes my evaluation slightly.

Ryllandaras, on 08 July 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

OK, so as Day 1 draws to a close, I have a few thoughts:

- According to the Day 1 sweetspot analysis I do that usually produces results, I should be looking at one of Hentos Ilm and Kilava as being scum. I'm going to do a reread of HI tomorrow to get a better feel for him - my current thought is that he has blended in well by posting just the right amount of thoughtful stuff to get by, and that makes me wary.

- Based on the way this day has played out, It seems unlikely that we're hitting scum here with Tholen. I would have expected there to be a counter train of some kind at some point in the day. But apart from Ay Estos and maybe Rikkter, nobody has lifted a finger to help (NB. if Tholen is scum, then Rikkter would be my prime suspect for the following day).

- I think I might just have gone and painted a target on my chest/back to be NKed on Night 1 again. Too many people agreeing with me/no longer finding me scummy on thread makes me nervous. If I'm not NKed tonight, then I anticipate there may be some backlash, with someone wondering how it was that the pressure on me early in the day magically melted away. I will be especially suspicious of that person.

- I can't figure out if Ay Estos is Demon Llama in his first game or someone pretending to be a newbie. His reactions and mannerisms just feel so authentically new to the game, but he displays just enough game knowledge to make me doubt it.

OH MY GOD I JUST CHECKED THE FOOTBALL SCORE!

ST

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2014 - 08:41 PM, said:

Football?

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 08 July 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

Non-American Football.

ST, I live in Swindon. I know what football is, what I meant is what football?

Ryllandaras, on 08 July 2014 - 10:22 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 08 July 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

Non-American Football.

ST, I live in Swindon. I know what football is, what I meant is what football?

Ah, sorry, at my flabbergastedness at the scoreline I forgot who I was talking to. It ended 7-1...

ST

[Path-Shaper]

Gust:

Kilava, on 07 July 2014 - 10:07 PM, said:

I'll need to do a kill revision. Let me see if I can spot the rolled town

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2014 - 12:08 AM, said:

Kilava, on 07 July 2014 - 10:18 PM, said:

Ok, so Bek strikes me as roled (the Golly line stands out) as does HI. I can't kill that nuisance Rhyl, so I'll just sit on it.

Provisional kill list revised:
Bek
Hentos Ill
Rhyl

Noted

Kilava, on 08 July 2014 - 10:40 PM, said:

Interesting having this tiff between killers who know each other. Now that is how distancing is done boys and girls.

Gnaw:

Hentos Ilm, on 07 July 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Sweet. There's gotta be a turnip joke to be made somewhere in this setup.

Finder and BP? Makes revealing a bit safer when the time comes.

Oh, wait. I reveal. I survive the night. I get lynched for not being NKed. Yeah town.

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2014 - 02:41 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 July 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Find Ryll. If lunched, find Kilava.

Om nom nom nom

Sorry, I meant noted

Hentos Ilm, on 08 July 2014 - 03:08 PM, said:

iOS autocorrect. But I left it because it seemed appropriate.

Hentos Ilm, on 08 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm said:

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The more I read this, the more distubing* I find it. I had little problem with a driveby on Day one but this looks over reactive justification for a careless vote. And throwing the FUD** in makes you look like a bit of a dick.

* Yes I went there. I've tried to come up with a good turnip joke or one about greener pastures, but no joy on either.
** Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.

Vote Tholen

Probably too clever by half, but coded.
Richard Greener wrote a couple of books that were the basis of the single season TV show "The Finder".

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2014 - 05:08 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 July 2014 - 05:00 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm said:

1404829612[/url]']
Find Ryll. If lunched, find Kilava.

Change this to
Find Okral. If dead, find Dejim.

Noted.

Hentos Ilm, on 08 July 2014 - 08:42 PM, said:

Path-Shaper said:

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Hentos Ilm said:

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Hentos Ilm said:

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Find Ryll. If lunched, find Kilava.

Change this to
Find Okral. If dead, find Dejim.

Noted.

Assuming it's not already processed
Change to
Find Bek Okhan if dead Dejim

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

Sorry, hammer was 2min ago I notice. Give me a moment to resolve...

Hentos Ilm, on 08 July 2014 - 08:45 PM, said:

I'm glad i was late.

[Path-Shaper]

Gnaw still:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 July 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

Path-Shaper said:

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Okral Lom is town

Well statistically that was bound to happen. But I was hoping.

Hentos Ilm, on 08 July 2014 - 09:06 PM, said:

6 votes for Tholen (Okral Lom, Hentos Ilm, Benhal Home, Bek Okhan, Ay Estos, Dejim Nebrahl)
2 votes for Ay Estos (Ryllandaras, Rikkter)
Players not voted: Denesmet, Kilava,
One on, one off.
BO kill after that scummy vote. Wasn't around to change order?

Path-Shaper, on 08 July 2014 - 10:20 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 July 2014 - 10:12 PM, said:

I'm going to assume Rikkter,is A Demon Llama?

All alt guesses will be seconded to Spoiler Heaven where the gathered chips, wedges and mashes will either roar with laughter or applaud the brilliance of the guess.

Hentos Ilm, on 08 July 2014 - 11:10 PM, said:

Explain anonymous signins to DemonLlama please.
And Demon, I'm sorry. Having a bad day and took it out on you.

[Path-Shaper]

Denesmet, on 09 July 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

Ooo, maybe I'll get lynched for once.

My games recently have been completely predictable. I don't get lynched. I don't get killed. I'm there at end game. I haven't had a role since....I have no idea. It's been forever.

[Path-Shaper]

Rikkter, on 09 July 2014 - 11:15 PM, said:

[...] out for potatovenge.

I think he's calling you a potato, Venge.

All orders are updated, if there is a lynch then resolve and I'll stick the pictures in later. I'll be awake maybe an hour before timeout so will look in again then.

With a bit of luck they'll not lynch Gnaw and he won't change orders. Who am I kidding?

[HoosierDaddy]

1st: Some of the new avatars are fucking hilariously ridiculous. The hannibal the cannibal deer with the deer suit on is terrifying. The lizard one is ridiculous. D'rek is high as fuck while making these.

2. Whoever is the one in there shouting obscenities at people: I like. If it is Demon Llama like I might have remembered then I'm a big fan of that new player.

3. M and P games have officially gone down the shitter. It amuses me. I haven't been scum in a couple of years but I'm sure I could find a way to redeem town if I was.

[HoosierDaddy]

Nevermind. It's Gnaw. And it's not nearly as good as it good be. Every post should call someone retarded or an idiot.

[Path-Shaper]

You could always play in a few and teach how it is done?

[Path-Shaper]

Gnaw found Bendal, is about to reveal. I worry this is a little too early in the day for it - seen as scum rushing for the win. Today is D-Day after all

[HoosierDaddy]

I'd ruin it as both town and scum. As town I'd just piss everyone off and try to lynch Silencer who was playing smooth and as scum I'd get lynched in 3 days because whatever.

I'll save the rants for the high TMDI's where I'm both ludicrously wrong and shouting at older players who are used to being called fucktards while they are more right than me.

[HoosierDaddy]

FYI, your intro made me laugh my ass off. Well done.

[Denesmet]

Hahaha, I guessed wrong for SH, but it turns out my Day 2 case was spot on. Sweet!

[Path-Shaper]

Tatts:

Dejim Nebrahl, on 09 July 2014 - 08:14 AM, said:

2 town down. Not a good start to the day.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 09 July 2014 - 08:15 AM, said:

Don't know what the interaction with Rikkter and Hentos is all about. Rikkter must be ADL.

Funny how Inane chose to go down the same route as me this game.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 09 July 2014 - 08:18 AM, said:

TMDI:2 = As 1, but a small number of simple roles. Eg: 12 players, 2 Killers, Symp, Healer, BP/Vig.

I don't want to rely on town having something to help us out but it may come down to that, and when they feel like giving us something to work off.

I was a follower day one, and choose to be a follower day two. If you know me, you know how hard it is for me to follow people.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 09 July 2014 - 08:22 AM, said:

Let's add some meat to the bones then because after my observation I am inclined to believe Hentos and vote for you.


My case on Ryll day 1
Denesmet's case on you day 2
Ryll's reaction to the case on you
Rikkter's lynch, early hammer

If you had not guessed yet, I believe Ryll to be Bendal's symp. Not only that I think Kilava is Bendal's partner. Now, I propose we test the reveal by lynching Bendal first.

How I came to my conclusion.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 08 July 2014 - 09:19 AM, said:

snip

So far in his posts he has created 3 pairs of players whilst replying to another player.

Bendal Home and Dejim Nebrahl
Kilava and Dejim Nebrahl (votes Kilava)
Hentos and Denesmet

and below

Ay Estos and Rikkter.

This is the most relevant bit of my argument about Ryll. People did pass this off as good interaction and getting people to talk. What I think is clever about this potential signalling is that he pairs off 1 killer with 1 town, so that if one killer is found and we go back and look for the connection then we lynch wrong. If Bendal is scum then you see a pattern up above, an easy way to highlight to the killers that he is their symp without implicating them both in the same post. It's like he is using my alt as a "connection". You may think this a bit of a stretch but it is what follows which leads me to believe this. That is, Denesmet's case and how Ryll reacts to it and where his vote ends up.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 09 July 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 08 July 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:

I think the Ryll case is a bunch of crap. I think that Tholen was trying to make an 'easy' case in hopes that it would catch. For trying to start a lynch with such a crappy case, I shall

vote Tholen

Dejim Nebrahl, on 09 July 2014 - 08:34 AM, said:

Bek may have been a symp and that is why he rubbished the ryll case, and be voted and removed from Ay.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 09 July 2014 - 09:22 AM, said:

If Bek was town then there is a link to Ay Estos and it clears Ryll or is that was the kill supposed to do?

Only referencing here for my own thoughts.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 09 July 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

See as I have gone down the low poster route I am going to put my trust in Ryll because he does sound inquisitive, he does interact a lot on thread. You get the usual mafia distrust, ie is he a symp leading us down the wrong path, is he a scum trying to act like town, you know those sorts of things, but I am going to go ahead and thinking of him as roled town. Partnered with someone who has a lesser post count.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 09 July 2014 - 10:39 AM, said:

My top choices for scum at the moment are Bendal, Okral or Denesmet.

Hentos has given me a town vibe, but I am only palming him as that whilst we have a wide net.

I am going to pick on one of those three. Eeenie meenie minee mo Okral has less posts than me and I am doing it on purpose! Catch a fairy by it's toe, if it screams let it go Denesmet is my bitch Yo!

I almost settled on Okral but fuck him and fuck Bendal.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 09 July 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

started to write this, but put my head back in my tortoise shell


Ryll I like your style, you seem very aware of what is happening on thread, and you are commenting on most things which I applaud. I would like you to stick your neck out a bit more and actually have some meat to what you are saying. You seem to tear peoples cases apart and...

Dejim Nebrahl, on 09 July 2014 - 02:54 PM, said:

People make good cases, but there is always the element of doubt, and Ryll just keeps making that grow. If he is so clever at tearing down people's cases, then he must know who scum is? Why is he not sticking his neck out and being nicey nice? I get symp vibes from him, but if it is ST, last time he was like this, he actually was town, and acting on towns behalf.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 07:57 AM, said:

So if I had the time I would do this

Work out who has interacted with who on thread in terms of;

"The Soft Jab" mentions a player is doing something, not enough to get called out on, but enough that it "looks" as though they have accused them, potential distancing from a scum PoV or Scummy based on not wanting to push too hard, or knowing that they will not come up scum so buddying up. Maybe a vote and a remove.

"The Hard Punch" accuses a player, calls them scummy for something they have done, punches them quite hard and doesn't let up.

"The Knockout" actually votes a player and wants them removed from the game for being scum.

Who voted who?

Who defended who, not overtly, but who votes elsewhere when a player is receiving heat.

Rikkter has 4? Votes on him at the moment. I haven't read up cleanly yet but there is a lot to get through. Maybe wait for the full analysis in a day or so when the field is narrowed.

[Path-Shaper]

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 08:27 AM, said:

I am glad they killed Denesmet, it removes that element of doubt. Scum have got to be on that train.

From earlier;

"My top choices for scum at the moment are Bendal, Okral or Denesmet."

Okral made the initial case on Rikkter

(For the record, Rikkter was the new guy ADL, and he "could" have been scum but if he was and it was his first game, then his partner would have advised him an some things, especially talking about Bek Okhan)

I think Bendal will be my next target on thread.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

Hentos this is D day, you know that right? An early vote is never good even if it is right.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 08:42 AM, said:

Finder reveal.

Take it at face value.

Or scum trying to win?

It's done early enough, so i am going to believe

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

I think I may reveal as healer to draw the night kill. Going to ponder this, I don't know if that is done before.

Healer and finder, finder's revealed and now the healer keeps healing him.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Denesmet CI made a case on BH.

Going to go through it now.

Denesmet, on 09 July 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

<lots of quotes snipped>

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 09:24 AM, said:

So Shin's analysis seems to be spot on, if what Hentos saying is true.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

Bendal's defense

Bendal Home, on 09 July 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

My that's a lot of post quoting for the bare minimum of actual comment and analysis to follow. And even in that tiny amount of actual commentary you've managed to take posts out of context. Congrats.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 09:28 AM, said:

Bendal Home, on 09 July 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 09 July 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

Bendal Home, on 08 July 2014 - 08:37 PM, said:

@Ryll: I'm only 10% paying attention right now because of the insane WC match - your suspicions basically the same as mine it seems, with added BO (who I don't really remember anything about, aside from that vote on Tholen). I think I probably suspect Ay a little less than you.

Of the people currently with votes, Tholen's still my preferred choice. But his last post, which was a little 'meh, whatever' has put a doubt or two in my head. If I had to switch, I'd probably go with Ay.

This is the icing on my suspicion. The second mention of "barely paying attention". Yet…keeping an eye on thread, and has the third most posts of anyone.

Lots of posts. Adds little. Protests that he isn't really paying attention. Has a convenient spat going. .



It all adds up to suspicious behavior to me.

Vote Bendal Home

First point conveniently ignores the use of the words 'right now' in reference to watching the Brazil-Germany matcj, so has nothing to do with the number of posts I made in the past.

Second point, posts add little. Your opinion. At least I was posting, at least you have something to look over. You say my posts add little but in most of them I'm giving my opinion on others' and what their play seems like to me. Not sure what more you want other than that. But then you are trying to exaggerate your claims throughout your case.

Third point, you claim I started a spat with Kilava. I commented on something they'd done. They then chose to make a fuss over it, and I responded to that. I fail to see how there's anything wrong in that.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

If Bendal is scum then Ryll lumping us together day one may be bad for me unless the finder does not die. I think a reveal of healer may be good for this but I know I am lying and that would be to keep him alive, if he is scum it is well played.

[Path-Shaper]

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

Defense of Bendal by Ryll

Ryllandaras, on 09 July 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 09 July 2014 - 12:29 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 09 July 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

My that's a lot of post quoting for the bare minimum of actual comment and analysis to follow. And even in that tiny amount of actual commentary you've managed to take posts out of context. Congrats.

Thank you for helping proving one of my points. You've posted a lot, but nothing much worth dissecting. There's just not much to say about what you've graced us with, since you didn't say much either. Volume =/= Content.

As you say, volume =/= content. So why are you posting tons of quotes in sequence without analysing them? If you don't have anything to say about a post, there's no need to quote it in your case. Unless you're trying to plump things up to make them look more impressive than they actually are.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 09:33 AM, said:

Ryll moving away from bendal, likes Hentos as the lynch target

Ryllandaras, on 09 July 2014 - 01:30 PM, said:

OK, interesting cases to look at. My thoughts:

DN's case on Denesmet seems primarily based on tone (at that point Denesmet hadn't posted much so that's all there was, really). There was one post he pointed out that I also remembered as standing out, and that was this one:

Denesmet, on 07 July 2014 - 11:22 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 07 July 2014 - 10:57 PM, said:

Come now, signalling should always be blatant. Isn't that right, Ay Estos and Rikkter?

Well, now we know Ryll's masters.

It seemed out of place at the time just because of how obvious the point he was trying to make was. Kind of like explaining a joke that everyone had already laughed at. However, apart from that my thoughts on Denesmet up to that point were that they were doing their best to contribute despite a lack of time on Day 1. Possibly coasting, but at least trying to play. And that seems to be backed up with the case they've made today, even if I have some issues with it (see below).

Denesmet's case on BH is not very convincing to me at all. As I mention above, he posts large blocks of quotes for no good reason (especially since he they seem to show a player intent on giving his opinion on everything and generating interactions, which is what we needed on Day 1). His reading of the BH/Kilava dispute has the exact opposite reading to me - BH initiated and Kilava kicked up a fuss, not the other way around. I don't think getting drawn into a long discussion is in-and-of-itself a problem, provided you are still able to step back and look at what else is going on in the game at the same time. So I don't really see the merits of Denesmet's case here.

Finally, we've got Kilava's case on HI. I don't quite see the patronising style Kilava is talking about in most of the posts he has quoted. But the way he pounced on Rikkter did seem to illustrate that. He badgered to prove in a fashion that Rikkter hadn't read the CF, and that felt a bit staged. The vehemence followed by the decision to PI seemed disproportionate to me.

So of the three, I find the HI one to be the most compelling at the moment. Before putting a vote down I'm going to have a think about whether it's worth trying to rake up some muck about some of the other players though. It feels like there's a group of pretty engaged players here and there's enough on most of them to get a bit of a read, but there are still a few players (like Okral Lom) that I'm struggling to get a purchase on at the moment.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 09:35 AM, said:

Defense

Ryllandaras, on 09 July 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 09 July 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

Those posts by Ben speak for themselves. Just read them.

Namby-pamby and contentless.

How the hell do I put more analysis down on something that is contentless? That was my point.

I'm not sure why people think scum are going to SAY something scummy. If that really happened much in Malazan Mafia, town wouldn't be so sucky recently. I'm more interested in what people aren't saying.

I have read them, and I disagree with your assertion that they are contentless. They are mostly opinions on cases made by other people, sure, but that's not a bad thing, nor is it empty play. It is interesting to note that his comments tend to bear towards the lenient side of the spectrum - he is mostly looking for reasons to explain away people's behaviour rather than to press on something specific in the posts you quoted. And if you had said something along those lines, I would have been more likely to find your case compelling . But when you look at his body of posting as a whole, I feel like he's been more even-handed.

I agree with what you're saying about looking for overall behavioural patterns rather than specific slips though.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 09:43 AM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 10 July 2014 - 12:39 AM, said:

Hmm, seems we've hit the Day 2 Doldrums. Not as much to read up as I'd have liked . I'll have a think and then lay down a vote, because whether or not I'll be on for timeout is at the mercy of my alarm clock.

Ay estos refers to Rikkter but doesn't mention other cases.

Ryllandaras, on 10 July 2014 - 02:11 AM, said:

Right, time for me to hit the sack. Before I go, I think I will

Vote Denesmet

At this point I don't think there's time for a train to build on any of the players who don't have any votes on them yet. Out of the four (Denesmet, Bendal Home, Hentos Ilm, Rikkter), I feel like Denesmet's playstyle is the closest to the type of player I feel we should be looking for. Hentos and Rikkter are the traditional choices we tend to make on Day 2 (players who have put themselves in the spotlight) and we keep being wrong when we go down that route. That leaves Denesmet and BH, and of the two I think BH has contributed more (ironic, since Denesmet's case was based around his non-contribution). Plus I feel like there are a few players that haven't really interacted with Denesmet that would fit well as partners.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 10 July 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

Shit I edited my post on page two accidentally, in pm's that is.

It was meant to go here, just in case I lose the post before hitting send.

Let's add some meat to the bones then because after my observation I am inclined to believe Hentos and vote for you.


My case on Ryll day 1
Denesmet's case on you day 2
Ryll's reaction to the case on you
Rikkter's lynch, early hammer

If you had not guessed yet, I believe Ryll to be Bendal's symp. Not only that I think Kilava is Bendal's partner. Now, I propose we test the reveal by lynching Bendal first.

How I came to my conclusion.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 08 July 2014 - 09:19 AM, said:

snip

So far in his posts he has created 3 pairs of players whilst replying to another player.

Bendal Home and Dejim Nebrahl
Kilava and Dejim Nebrahl (votes Kilava)
Hentos and Denesmet

and below

Ay Estos and Rikkter.

This is the most relevant bit of my argument about Ryll. People did pass this off as good interaction and getting people to talk. What I think is clever about this potential signalling is that he pairs off 1 killer with 1 town, so that if one killer is found and we go back and look for the connection then we lynch wrong. If Bendal is scum then you see a pattern up above, an easy way to highlight to the killers that he is their symp without implicating them both in the same post. It's like he is using my alt as a "connection". You may think this a bit of a stretch but it is what follows which leads me to believe this. That is, Denesmet's case and how Ryll reacts to it and where his vote ends up.

I like how he is making the Bendal / Kilava pairing from STs early stirring

[Path-Shaper]

Gnaw:

Path-Shaper, on 09 July 2014 - 08:06 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 09 July 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

Provisional
Find Bendal Home. If dead, find Ay Estos.

Noted.

Hentos Ilm, on 09 July 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

And I"m assuming that my BP didn't get hit?

You'll be told if it is

Path-Shaper, on 10 July 2014 - 08:05 AM, said:

Bendal Home is scum

Hentos Ilm, on 10 July 2014 - 08:06 AM, said:

Bek Okhan was killed again???

Hentos Ilm, on 10 July 2014 - 08:06 AM, said:

Or did you mean Denesmet?

Path-Shaper, on 10 July 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

Nothing to see here... move along...

That's what copy & pasting code gets you

Hentos Ilm, on 10 July 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

You're welcome.

Hentos Ilm, on 10 July 2014 - 08:10 AM, said:

I'm going to waken things up.
Reveal incoming.

Hentos Ilm, on 10 July 2014 - 08:12 AM, said:

Uh. You've got Rikkter voting for himself???

Path-Shaper, on 10 July 2014 - 08:15 AM, said:

Gad dammit! Okay, give me a min to check. Thanks!

Hentos Ilm, on 10 July 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

Hey, i was around and would have hammered. So no biggie.

Path-Shaper, on 10 July 2014 - 08:18 AM, said:

Sorted, thanks again

Path-Shaper, on 10 July 2014 - 10:15 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 10 July 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

Provisional
Find Ryl, if dead Dejim.

Noted

Path-Shaper, on 10 July 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 10 July 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

Right on the ball huh? You hoping for a speed lynch?

Nope, I just got back from breakfast

Hentos Ilm, on 10 July 2014 - 10:24 AM, said:

Due to the BP I'm betting I'm the only roled town. Given Kilava's case on me yesterday, an early reveal seemed better than waiting until I had a train on me.

Hentos Ilm, on 10 July 2014 - 10:24 AM, said:

I wish I had coded the BP in on day one. That's going to cause problems tomorrow.