[Tattersail_]

Looking at the time update I am willing to switch to either AM or Khell, and will be around to vote.

[Inane Babble]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 09:27 AM, said:

Remove vote


That took a long time to post and didn't realise 2 votes went in on Khell

Vote Inane Babble

I can't see/understand your train of thought here, can you explain it to me?

Edit: Added the /

This post has been edited by Inane Babble: 01 July 2014 - 09:47 AM

[Shinrei]

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

I just did a re-read of the first 2 pages, and it really strikes me that if anyone is signalling both masters, it's Tattersail with Inane and Unfound. I would like to lynch one of them to see if anything is there.

That's all I have time for atm, will re-read the rest later.

Swap those names with any other three in the thread (especially mess) and your statement would be just as strong imo. Just because tatts jokingly took the new guy under his wing doesn't mean anything other than we were screwing around on Day 1.

You've cut your teeth pretty well in your first few games. IMO you don't get to play the noob card anymore.

Ok, I must admit I missed what the deal is on Azathmaster, so I need to go read up on that. Assuming that's page 3/4 since I didn't get that far before.

[Shinrei]

Um...ok. Other than what Gusty posted on the original vote noting the "speak of the devil" nature of AM popping up...what's got people wanting to vote him? I just did a really fast read up, because I have to hit the road in 5 minutes, but I didn't see any obvious accusations. Did I miss something?

[Inane Babble]

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 09:46 AM, said:

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

I just did a re-read of the first 2 pages, and it really strikes me that if anyone is signalling both masters, it's Tattersail with Inane and Unfound. I would like to lynch one of them to see if anything is there.

That's all I have time for atm, will re-read the rest later.

Swap those names with any other three in the thread (especially mess) and your statement would be just as strong imo. Just because tatts jokingly took the new guy under his wing doesn't mean anything other than we were screwing around on Day 1.

You've cut your teeth pretty well in your first few games. IMO you don't get to play the noob card anymore.

Ok, I must admit I missed what the deal is on Azathmaster, so I need to go read up on that. Assuming that's page 3/4 since I didn't get that far before.

At least give me this one game!

I have had to try to completely hide my noobness the last few games and pretend to know what I'm an old hand. It's refreshing to just say "Here is what I think, is that the right thing to do?"

[Tattersail_]

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

Um...ok. Other than what Gusty posted on the original vote noting the "speak of the devil" nature of AM popping up...what's got people wanting to vote him? I just did a really fast read up, because I have to hit the road in 5 minutes, but I didn't see any obvious accusations. Did I miss something?

Messremb's post, I even mention it in my reply. The connection to Khell, you are already voting for Khell from what I can remember, so you are on the "alleged" partnership anyway.

@Inane

My two options for team scum is in my long post. Khell/AM and Inane/Unfound. Khell received 3 votes quite quickly, so instead of rushing to the finish line, I have offered an alternative. No one has to take me up on that offer but they are more than welcome to.

[Sir Thursday]

Morning all. Will do some reading up, but I'm at work so I can't be as thorough as I'd like.

[Inane Babble]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 09:56 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

Um...ok. Other than what Gusty posted on the original vote noting the "speak of the devil" nature of AM popping up...what's got people wanting to vote him? I just did a really fast read up, because I have to hit the road in 5 minutes, but I didn't see any obvious accusations. Did I miss something?

Messremb's post, I even mention it in my reply. The connection to Khell, you are already voting for Khell from what I can remember, so you are on the "alleged" partnership anyway.

@Inane

My two options for team scum is in my long post. Khell/AM and Inane/Unfound. Khell received 3 votes quite quickly, so instead of rushing to the finish line, I have offered an alternative. No one has to take me up on that offer but they are more than welcome to.

After losing town the game just a few days ago due to quick voting I suppose I can't disagree with people not wanting to rush into a lynch

[Shinrei]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 09:56 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

Um...ok. Other than what Gusty posted on the original vote noting the "speak of the devil" nature of AM popping up...what's got people wanting to vote him? I just did a really fast read up, because I have to hit the road in 5 minutes, but I didn't see any obvious accusations. Did I miss something?

Messremb's post, I even mention it in my reply. The connection to Khell, you are already voting for Khell from what I can remember, so you are on the "alleged" partnership anyway.

@Inane

My two options for team scum is in my long post. Khell/AM and Inane/Unfound. Khell received 3 votes quite quickly, so instead of rushing to the finish line, I have offered an alternative. No one has to take me up on that offer but they are more than welcome to.

I am out the door, and don't have time to find that quote, but I'll look in about 2 hours from now.

I am voting IB at the moment, I switched from Khell.

[Sir Thursday]

Tatts' thought dump makes me a little suspicious of him. In particular, the logic in this section seems especially tortuous:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

Gust Hubb could be signalling EM and Khells here;

Gust Hubb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Here.

So with the subtitle, I must ask, were the roles given out randomly? If not, maybe Vengance had a moment of kindness and gave us the most lynch-able people as scum.

Who do you consider to be most lynchable just for who they are?

Easy. Tatts, EM, and Khells.

he puts them in this order so that if and when I am lynched the second two would be a harder lynch in future, he can piggy back off my CF to move away from the other two.

We do have to be wary when one person puts more than one alt in their posts.

Again, say he first 3, ie EM, Khell and I, are all duds, then his next post is interesting

Gust Hubb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

I don't think I've ever played with The Unfound nor Inane Babble (however much IB has been a conversation started in previous games). This should be interesting in that regard. I guess the best bet is to look at people, remember their playstyle, and try to judge if they are any different than before. Also, I feel like those that usually try to signal when they are scum should be given additional scrutiny, especially by those with code cracking abilities.

If either Inane or Unfound come up scum then this is one post that we can look back to for the other killer.

So the first one is a dud, but the second one has merit. On what basis? Well Tatts is mentioned in the first one so that can't be valid, right? And if it is, then it's a signal to the other two. Not buying it - claiming (or implying, as Tatts does here) one is innocent does not make it so.

ST

[Tattersail_]

ST I am most probably voting Khell at the moment, and there is something else you should be addressing. Are you saying that there is something there in the first 3 names? The difference I see in the post by Gust Hubb, is the way he uses abbreviations for us, but uses their full names, or he only addresses two people in his next post not 3. We are looking for 2 killers being lumped together, not 3.

[Inane Babble]

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 10:09 AM, said:

Tatts' thought dump makes me a little suspicious of him. In particular, the logic in this section seems especially tortuous:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

Gust Hubb could be signalling EM and Khells here;

Gust Hubb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Messremb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Here.

So with the subtitle, I must ask, were the roles given out randomly? If not, maybe Vengance had a moment of kindness and gave us the most lynch-able people as scum.

Who do you consider to be most lynchable just for who they are?

Easy. Tatts, EM, and Khells.

he puts them in this order so that if and when I am lynched the second two would be a harder lynch in future, he can piggy back off my CF to move away from the other two.

We do have to be wary when one person puts more than one alt in their posts.

Again, say he first 3, ie EM, Khell and I, are all duds, then his next post is interesting

Gust Hubb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

I don't think I've ever played with The Unfound nor Inane Babble (however much IB has been a conversation started in previous games). This should be interesting in that regard. I guess the best bet is to look at people, remember their playstyle, and try to judge if they are any different than before. Also, I feel like those that usually try to signal when they are scum should be given additional scrutiny, especially by those with code cracking abilities.

If either Inane or Unfound come up scum then this is one post that we can look back to for the other killer.

So the first one is a dud, but the second one has merit. On what basis? Well Tatts is mentioned in the first one so that can't be valid, right? And if it is, then it's a signal to the other two. Not buying it - claiming (or implying, as Tatts does here) one is innocent does not make it so.

ST

Ok this is the kind of thing I can get behind. Does anyone else not just think it is incredibly unlikely that the 2 green players out of 13 would be picked as scum, but also that it is an extreme reach to try and point fingers at someone (or multiple people in this case) for simply stating the fact that they haven't yet played with 2 new players?

[Sir Thursday]

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 10:04 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 09:56 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

Um...ok. Other than what Gusty posted on the original vote noting the "speak of the devil" nature of AM popping up...what's got people wanting to vote him? I just did a really fast read up, because I have to hit the road in 5 minutes, but I didn't see any obvious accusations. Did I miss something?

Messremb's post, I even mention it in my reply. The connection to Khell, you are already voting for Khell from what I can remember, so you are on the "alleged" partnership anyway.

@Inane

My two options for team scum is in my long post. Khell/AM and Inane/Unfound. Khell received 3 votes quite quickly, so instead of rushing to the finish line, I have offered an alternative. No one has to take me up on that offer but they are more than welcome to.

After losing town the game just a few days ago due to quick voting I suppose I can't disagree with people not wanting to rush into a lynch

OK, but in that case why were you rushing to put a vote down on Khell? Surely your experiences last game should have taught you to know better? Your vote following quickly on the heels of Tapper's is the most 'classically scummy'* thing I've seen so far this game.


*Although given how poorly town has been doing in recent games, perhaps we should be reevaluating whether such metrics are actually good ones for scum hunting.

[EmperorMagus]

Read up.
I'm going to vote IB right now but I will be available later to switch if needed.
I'm just hoping that we can eliminate one of the two chief suspects today (meaning get a lynch on either IB or Khell) so we won't have a repeat of day1 tomorrow.
Even if we lynch incorrectly (which is far more probable than lynching scum) we have a lot of useful interaction with/about both of them so the day will not be wasted.

Vote Inane Babble

[Inane Babble]

Sir Thursday, on 01 July 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 10:04 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 09:56 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

Um...ok. Other than what Gusty posted on the original vote noting the "speak of the devil" nature of AM popping up...what's got people wanting to vote him? I just did a really fast read up, because I have to hit the road in 5 minutes, but I didn't see any obvious accusations. Did I miss something?

Messremb's post, I even mention it in my reply. The connection to Khell, you are already voting for Khell from what I can remember, so you are on the "alleged" partnership anyway.

@Inane

My two options for team scum is in my long post. Khell/AM and Inane/Unfound. Khell received 3 votes quite quickly, so instead of rushing to the finish line, I have offered an alternative. No one has to take me up on that offer but they are more than welcome to.

After losing town the game just a few days ago due to quick voting I suppose I can't disagree with people not wanting to rush into a lynch

OK, but in that case why were you rushing to put a vote down on Khell? Surely your experiences last game should have taught you to know better? Your vote following quickly on the heels of Tapper's is the most 'classically scummy'* thing I've seen so far this game.


*Although given how poorly town has been doing in recent games, perhaps we should be reevaluating whether such metrics are actually good ones for scum hunting.

Or maybe the context of the current game and the context of the last time are different and call for different responses. With the 24 hour day we are quickly approaching night and need a lynch. Previous game the day had just started and I was manipulated into voting quickly against my better judgement. Apples and oranges here I think. I am not sure that a 30 minute delay counts as "rushing" and Khells potential slip is a better reason to lynch than possible signalling imo.

[The Unfound]

Morning Everyone. Let me get caught up

[Tattersail_]

EmperorMagus, on 01 July 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Read up.
I'm going to vote IB right now but I will be available later to switch if needed.
I'm just hoping that we can eliminate one of the two chief suspects today (meaning get a lynch on either IB or Khell) so we won't have a repeat of day1 tomorrow.
Even if we lynch incorrectly (which is far more probable than lynching scum) we have a lot of useful interaction with/about both of them so the day will not be wasted.

Vote Inane Babble

Is this in case Khell comes up scum and that you may be related to him in some way? Out of Inane and Unfound, Unfound is acting/looking the scummiest but they are linked together.

What do you make of Messremb's case?

[Inane Babble]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 01 July 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Read up.
I'm going to vote IB right now but I will be available later to switch if needed.
I'm just hoping that we can eliminate one of the two chief suspects today (meaning get a lynch on either IB or Khell) so we won't have a repeat of day1 tomorrow.
Even if we lynch incorrectly (which is far more probable than lynching scum) we have a lot of useful interaction with/about both of them so the day will not be wasted.

Vote Inane Babble

Is this in case Khell comes up scum and that you may be related to him in some way? Out of Inane and Unfound, Unfound is acting/looking the scummiest but they are linked together.

What do you make of Messremb's case?

I really dislike this notion that we are considered linked together because of the actions of a third party. You don't even seem to consider adding in a qualifier like "they may be linked together". It looks like you are quite certain about it. Which I find very odd.

[EmperorMagus]

Tattersail_, on 01 July 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 01 July 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Read up.
I'm going to vote IB right now but I will be available later to switch if needed.
I'm just hoping that we can eliminate one of the two chief suspects today (meaning get a lynch on either IB or Khell) so we won't have a repeat of day1 tomorrow.
Even if we lynch incorrectly (which is far more probable than lynching scum) we have a lot of useful interaction with/about both of them so the day will not be wasted.

Vote Inane Babble

Is this in case Khell comes up scum and that you may be related to him in some way? Out of Inane and Unfound, Unfound is acting/looking the scummiest but they are linked together.

What do you make of Messremb's case?

No, this is because we have a 2 out of 13 (we won't know if we hit the symp will we?) chance of getting it right on day1 and that is quite negligible, more so when you take into account (I apologize to the smart present) we are a bunch of idiots more likely to hurt our chances than help.

BUT, we can stop this game from entering the cycle of "failed lynch day1, repeat day1 on day2,have nothing to show for the first two days on day3, lose like retards" and that requires lynching someone know, preferably someone whose death will give us some information.

[EmperorMagus]

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

I really dislike this notion that we are considered linked together because of the actions of a third party. You don't even seem to consider adding in a qualifier like "they may be linked together". It looks like you are quite certain about it. Which I find very odd.

From what Venge said before the game began, there is a good chance that the two killer's don't even know each other, so the only way connect two killers is by actions of the others.