[Inane Babble]

I can't find any fault with HOs reasoning to be honest.

In any possible scenario town wins with his strategy

6 people alive, 4 town 2 scum, and only 1 of them can kill.

None of; HO, shin, mess, IB is the killer. This leaves either GH or unfound as the only remaining person we need to kill to win the game.

Possibility 1

GH is town, unfound is killer

1. We lynch GH and he guards unfound, he is unable to NK and we move into tomorrow with a majority and can lynch him to end the game
2. We lynch unfound and he guards GH, we win

Possibility 2

unfound is town GH is killer

1. Same as above, even if we lynch unfound GH is unable to perform a night action because HO will be guarding him, so we can win the game tomorrow
2. Same as above, we win the game with the correct lynch.

In any scenario town wins, so I am perfectly happy to follow along.

Speaking of,

Vote Gust Hubb

[Gust Hubb]

Shinrei, on 03 July 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 03 July 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Let's finish the game right now, so everybody can have a weekend with no mafia thoughts.I am a guardI guarded Messremb night 1, Tapper night 2, and Shinrei night 3I believe Gust Hubb is the killer, and he is still alive. If not him, then it is UnfoundI propose we lynch GH now, I will guard Unfound tonight and we winVote Gust Hubb

What about Inane Babble?

HiddenOne, on 03 July 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

I'm not worried about him, seems to be a team player

Why Mess night 1?

[Shinrei]

I'm here now, and to be honest, I am going to side with HO being guard, rather than symp.

I don't like Gusty's reaction at all. I feel like "town" gusty would have rolled up his sleeves and said "ok, what are our options here" and used his generally stellar brain to work things out. Instead, he got all defensive and pissy towards HO.

The only part of HO's plan I don't like is, as I indicated earlier, I've got it in my brain that Unfound is more likely innocent than IB. I'm going to go back and go over Day 1 to see what interactions I can make out between those 3, but pre-re-read I would rather HO guard IB.

[Gust Hubb]

Inane Babble, on 03 July 2014 - 09:50 PM, said:

I can't find any fault with HOs reasoning to be honest.

In any possible scenario town wins with his strategy

6 people alive, 4 town 2 scum, and only 1 of them can kill.

None of; HO, shin, mess, IB is the killer. This leaves either GH or unfound as the only remaining person we need to kill to win the game.

Possibility 1

GH is town, unfound is killer

1. We lynch GH and he guards unfound, he is unable to NK and we move into tomorrow with a majority and can lynch him to end the game
2. We lynch unfound and he guards GH, we win

Possibility 2

unfound is town GH is killer

1. Same as above, even if we lynch unfound GH is unable to perform a night action because HO will be guarding him, so we can win the game tomorrow
2. Same as above, we win the game with the correct lynch.

In any scenario town wins, so I am perfectly happy to follow along.

Speaking of,

Vote Gust Hubb

This hinges on HO being right about you/ not being your symp. I feel like clearing you and targeting Unfound is a little too arbitrary for comfort. But I have no experience playing with either of you. Also, we need to see if there is any connection with either pair. I am going to reread right now and see if us four are connected in any way. Feel free to do the same in regards to me.

[Gust Hubb]

Shinrei, on 03 July 2014 - 09:53 PM, said:

I'm here now, and to be honest, I am going to side with HO being guard, rather than symp.

I don't like Gusty's reaction at all. I feel like "town" gusty would have rolled up his sleeves and said "ok, what are our options here" and used his generally stellar brain to work things out. Instead, he got all defensive and pissy towards HO.

The only part of HO's plan I don't like is, as I indicated earlier, I've got it in my brain that Unfound is more likely innocent than IB. I'm going to go back and go over Day 1 to see what interactions I can make out between those 3, but pre-re-read I would rather HO guard IB.

I thought I had already done that with addressing what you had asked HO about IB.

[Messremb]

Inane Babble, on 03 July 2014 - 09:50 PM, said:

I can't find any fault with HOs reasoning to be honest.

In any possible scenario town wins with his strategy

6 people alive, 4 town 2 scum, and only 1 of them can kill.

None of; HO, shin, mess, IB is the killer. This leaves either GH or unfound as the only remaining person we need to kill to win the game.

Possibility 1

GH is town, unfound is killer

1. We lynch GH and he guards unfound, he is unable to NK and we move into tomorrow with a majority and can lynch him to end the game
2. We lynch unfound and he guards GH, we win

Possibility 2

unfound is town GH is killer

1. Same as above, even if we lynch unfound GH is unable to perform a night action because HO will be guarding him, so we can win the game tomorrow
2. Same as above, we win the game with the correct lynch.

In any scenario town wins, so I am perfectly happy to follow along.

Speaking of,

Vote Gust Hubb

I find fault with your reasoning - you could also be the killer. 3 potentials means a chance that HO gets NK'd leaving us with two suspects still. If we lynch and a NK goes through, scum having a living symp hands the game to them.

[HiddenOne]

Gust Hubb, on 03 July 2014 - 09:50 PM, said:

Shinrei, on 03 July 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 03 July 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Let's finish the game right now, so everybody can have a weekend with no mafia thoughts.I am a guardI guarded Messremb night 1, Tapper night 2, and Shinrei night 3I believe Gust Hubb is the killer, and he is still alive. If not him, then it is UnfoundI propose we lynch GH now, I will guard Unfound tonight and we winVote Gust Hubb

What about Inane Babble?

HiddenOne, on 03 July 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

I'm not worried about him, seems to be a team player

Why Mess night 1?

he just seemed scummy, it was between him and Khell I think

[HiddenOne]

Shinrei, on 03 July 2014 - 09:53 PM, said:

I'm here now, and to be honest, I am going to side with HO being guard, rather than symp.

I don't like Gusty's reaction at all. I feel like "town" gusty would have rolled up his sleeves and said "ok, what are our options here" and used his generally stellar brain to work things out. Instead, he got all defensive and pissy towards HO.

The only part of HO's plan I don't like is, as I indicated earlier, I've got it in my brain that Unfound is more likely innocent than IB. I'm going to go back and go over Day 1 to see what interactions I can make out between those 3, but pre-re-read I would rather HO guard IB.

thank you.

[Inane Babble]

There is no fault with my reasoning.

I know I am not the killer, so my reasoning is sound.

From your perspective sure its not 100% but you must trust in HO! He is the one!

[Gust Hubb]

Inane Babble, on 30 June 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

Tapper, on 30 June 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

I can happily get behind a Tattersail lynch. It will make the game much more easily paced.

But it also makes it easier for scum to slip by as low lying bastards, is there any way we can medicate tatts to behave less bananas without having to resort to cyanide?

Inane Babble, on 30 June 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 30 June 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

I don't think I've ever played with The Unfound nor Inane Babble (however much IB has been a conversation started in previous games). This should be interesting in that regard. I guess the best bet is to look at people, remember their playstyle, and try to judge if they are any different than before. Also, I feel like those that usually try to signal when they are scum should be given additional scrutiny, especially by those with code cracking abilities.

Sure, I participate in dicussions, but only to the benefit of scum to date, people I go after invariably end up town I'm being sillier and dumber than I actually am at the moment just because I don't have to pretend to be a master of the game to not get alted, so don't base your opinion of me on this game so far please

HiddenOne, on 30 June 2014 - 06:28 PM, said:

Gust is acting scummy? Is that what I see?Signalling/framing at Azath, setting up Tatts & IB for future fingering, veiled insults and highlighting of Messremb, comparing someone's playstyle to mine...Tsk Tsk

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

Shinrei, on 01 July 2014 - 08:25 AM, said:

I just did a re-read of the first 2 pages, and it really strikes me that if anyone is signalling both masters, it's Tattersail with Inane and Unfound. I would like to lynch one of them to see if anything is there. That's all I have time for atm, will re-read the rest later.

Swap those names with any other three in the thread (especially mess) and your statement would be just as strong imo. Just because tatts jokingly took the new guy under his wing doesn't mean anything other than we were screwing around on Day 1.

HiddenOne, on 01 July 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

ok, I'm back, what uplooks like a train on the new guy - what did he do

As I always say, the proof is in day 1. Anyone remember how close IB came to being lynched? L-2. Very close. And i'd especially like to highlight the quote from HO at the bottom of this stack. So there is a connection, much easier to see when u link up current behaviors with day 1. IB was very twitchy on day 1.

[Messremb]

IB, I peg you as symp.

Inane Babble, on 30 June 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

Tapper, on 30 June 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

I can happily get behind a Tattersail lynch. It will make the game much more easily paced.

But it also makes it easier for scum to slip by as low lying bastards, is there any way we can medicate tatts to behave less bananas without having to resort to cyanide?

ST had yet to post at this time

Inane Babble, on 01 July 2014 - 10:20 AM, said:

Ok this is the kind of thing I can get behind. Does anyone else not just think it is incredibly unlikely that the 2 green players out of 13 would be picked as scum, but also that it is an extreme reach to try and point fingers at someone (or multiple people in this case) for simply stating the fact that they haven't yet played with 2 new players?

and tying yourself to the other newish player.

[Gust Hubb]

Inane Babble, on 03 July 2014 - 10:17 PM, said:

There is no fault with my reasoning.

I know I am not the killer, so my reasoning is sound.

From your perspective sure its not 100% but you must trust in HO! He is the one!

RLY?

Gods I need to be on a home computer to get that owl pic

[HiddenOne]

what are you trying to say, GH?

[Messremb]

HiddenOne, on 03 July 2014 - 10:21 PM, said:

what are you trying to say, GH?

Lynch Unfound? Because that's what I'm thinking right now

[Shinrei]

Gust Hubb, on 01 July 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

Let's ponder this for, like, 7 minutes.

My readup yielded this. The big switch back and forth, and Gusty suggests they wait until 2 minutes past time out. Hoping for a huge wifom-induced Day 1 missed lynch?

As for other interactions, when it was a toss up between IB and Khell, Messremb came on and cast for IB first. So if Mess is indeed the symp, that makes me feel better about IB.

Other than that, my cursory read through didn't come up with anything amazing.

[Gust Hubb]

I know the ship has sailed, but I still ask: what if HO isn't the guard. There is still a chance that Venge, who wanted closure in 4 days, failed to give town any role at all. HO's selection of Shin, Mess and Tapper are also well played. "Clearing" Mess just assuages what we already were starting to realize. Tapper is a safe name given he is dead and not killer, and giving Shin the clear is flattery, buttering up an old rival. More salient would be a successful guard, something we typically and wisely rely on in most reveals if I am not mistaken.

[Gust Hubb]

Shinrei, on 03 July 2014 - 10:24 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 01 July 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

Let's ponder this for, like, 7 minutes.

My readup yielded this. The big switch back and forth, and Gusty suggests they wait until 2 minutes past time out. Hoping for a huge wifom-induced Day 1 missed lynch?

As for other interactions, when it was a toss up between IB and Khell, Messremb came on and cast for IB first. So if Mess is indeed the symp, that makes me feel better about IB.

Other than that, my cursory read through didn't come up with anything amazing.

In context, that was sarcasm. I was expressing frustration at the indecisiveness and vote switch frenzy down to the line.

[Gust Hubb]

HiddenOne, on 03 July 2014 - 10:21 PM, said:

what are you trying to say, GH?

That trusting you 100% is patently ridiculous.

[Messremb]

Shinrei, on 03 July 2014 - 10:24 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 01 July 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

Let's ponder this for, like, 7 minutes.

My readup yielded this. The big switch back and forth, and Gusty suggests they wait until 2 minutes past time out. Hoping for a huge wifom-induced Day 1 missed lynch?

As for other interactions, when it was a toss up between IB and Khell, Messremb came on and cast for IB first. So if Mess is indeed the symp, that makes me feel better about IB.

Other than that, my cursory read through didn't come up with anything amazing.

I took that to be sarcasm, can see how it could be read the other way though.

And, for probably not the last time, I'm not the ***ing symp. Look at my games. I get lynched or nearly lynched pretty much every one of them because I'm on thread trying to get ***ing interactions. The rest of you are a bunch of pansies scared of your own shadows on D1. If you're RI you cause a fuss, try for reactions and don't just pile on the first hemi-demi-semi-baked case.

[Inane Babble]

Ok gents time to end the game. Me and Hidden One have been paired guards. Here is my proof, and some FURTHER code that goes onto the end of HOs code.

These are my posts in order starting at http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1132507

Post #1

Bit of a stretch for a lynch with this slip case, but it does look somewhat reasonable for a Day 1 lynch I suppose. Perhaps he realized he sounded a little too certain of the setup and was trying to back off from such an assertive position.

Remove Vote
Vote khell

Post #2

Swap those names with any other three in the thread (especially mess) and your statement would be just as strong imo. Just because tatts jokingly took the new guy under his wing doesn't mean anything other than we were screwing around on Day 1.

Post #3

I can't see/understand your train of thought here, can you explain it to me?

Edit: Added the /

Post #4

At least give me this one game!

I have had to try to completely hide my noobness the last few games and pretend to know what I'm an old hand. It's refreshing to just say "Here is what I think, is that the right thing to do?"

Post #5

After losing town the game just a few days ago due to quick voting I suppose I can't disagree with people not wanting to rush into a lynch

IWCTF shifted down 2 letters on the alphabet becomes GUARD

Post #6

Ok this is the kind of thing I can get behind. Does anyone else not just think it is incredibly unlikely that the 2 green players out of 13 would be picked as scum, but also that it is an extreme reach to try and point fingers at someone (or multiple people in this case) for simply stating the fact that they haven't yet played with 2 new players?

Post #7


Or maybe the context of the current game and the context of the last time are different and call for different responses. With the 24 hour day we are quickly approaching night and need a lynch. Previous game the day had just started and I was manipulated into voting quickly against my better judgement. Apples and oranges here I think. I am not sure that a 30 minute delay counts as "rushing" and Khells potential slip is a better reason to lynch than possible signalling imo.

KR shiftted 3 letters down on the alphabet becomes HO

This is my indicator that I am GUARD with HO.

If you go back and look at HOs code, he has an additional 2 characters at the end of HIS guard that spell IB ( though he did make a mistake and go 1 over/under for my first initial

Our code goes as follow the second letter of every post contains the word GUARD and EACH OTHERS INTIALS.

+2+2+2+2+2 +3+3 for me (seriously HO +2 are J and Q, FUCK THAT with our code)
+2+2+2+2+2 +3 +2 for him

Of the 6 players alive;

Shin and mess HAVE BEEN GUARDED, on nights a NK went through. Me and HO are GUARDS and TOWN. Unfound and gust are UNKNOWN.

Town have as close to a 100% victory condition as I can imagine at the moment. We will guard unfound tonight. If town lynch GH today and the game does not end, then unfound is the killer, but he cannot perform an action as he will be guarded, so we can lynch him tomorrow since we will retain the majority.