[Denul]

I hit reply this is out of order from the rest of his quotes. I am sorry about that.

Liosan, on 24 June 2014 - 08:44 PM, said:

All right, here are all my thoughts on the GL/Denul/lynch/(Barghy,Nimander,Ampelas defending GL) situation.

DISCLAIMER: some of this is speculation, some of it is based on logic, some on evidence, but it's a lot of my own thought process, mixed in with some gut too. Take what you will from it. It's not a case, just a statement of what I've seen.

On GL himself: looking back on GL's actions throughout the game, I'm not particularly convinced either way as to his alignment. The problem with this is it really muddies up the thread. I agree with Denul in the fact that we need to lynch him to clear up the thread so we can see the game more clearly tomorrow.

On the defense of GL: This is a lot more suspicious to me. I'll start with Nimander's continuous defense of GL:

This is the first time that Nimander tries to stall a lynch on GL. Of course, it turns out that either way there wouldn't have been a lynch, but in the moment there's no way to know that. And without knowing whether or not someone else could show up to vote GL after Nimander could've, putting GL at L-1, where Nimander's refusal to switch away from the person who was, in fact, contributing the most to the thread (imo). The only other person who had their vote on Pallid at the end of the day was Ampelas.

Nimander Golit, on 19 June 2014 - 02:02 AM, said:

Its looking like a trademark Malazan Mafia no lynch for Day 1. As of right now I see no reason to vote away from Pallid. Specially after yet another vote hop

The next day, this is his opinion on how he'll vote:

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Like I said, I'll vote GL if it's necessary for the lynch, but I'd just as soon not vote for him. The case against him is a load of shit, as far as I am concerned. You're all just latching on to the easy lynch for no good reason.

The two problems I have with this are 1) that with GL at L-1, and Kaschan at L-2, he stayed on Kaschan, not switching as he said he would. The second problem is that whether or not the GL case was actually a load of shit, the Kaschan one was based off of a single post that Kaschan said he wrote while half asleep. The Kaschan case was a load of shit as well.

And now today, again, Nimander doesn't want to vote GL, instead saying that he'll likely vote Denul, the one pushing for a GL lynch. What this seems to show to me is that there is some ulterior motive to Nimander trying to keep GL alive. And since Gl

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Moving on to Ampelas:

I already posted some of my position on Ampelas, about his list, and how he voted Pallid day one, and it stayed like that for the rest of the day. Besides laying relatively low in general, the main things Ampelas has gotten worked up about are Atrahal accusing him of being scum because he was "middling", and people trying to lynch GL today. His reaction to Atrahal has been noted as very intense, to the point of being an overreaction, and he's been seriously fighting GL's lynch, actually more than Barghy, who said he was giving GL a pass today.

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Moving on to looking at all the end of day voting layouts:

Shinrei, on 19 June 2014 - 03:51 AM, said:

It is day 1, Day has timed out without a lynch.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu


1 vote Eloth: Denul
2 votes Pallid: Nimander Golit, Ampelas
1 vote Liosan: Galayn Lord
1 vote Ampelas: Atrahal
4 votes Galayn Lord: Liosan, Pallid, Kaschan, Hood's Path


Players not voting: Barghast, Eloth, Sukul Ankhad

Shinrei, on 20 June 2014 - 10:08 PM, said:

It is day 2, 8 minutes were left at time of hammer.

11 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

6 votes Kaschan: Sukul Ankhadu, Galayn Lord, Ampelas, Nimander Golit, Barghast, Hood's Path
4 votes Galayn Lord: Liosan, Eloth, Kaschan, Denul
1 vote Ampelas: Atrahal


Players not voting: None

The only people who did not have a vote on GL at the end of day either day are: Barghast, Sukul, Nimander, Ampelas (this is not counting GL himself of course.)

Today, Barghy is voting GL right now. This leaves only Sukul, Nimander, and Ampelas. Sukul is basically a nonentity, so that leaves Nimander and Ampelas. That's the extent to which they've gone to avoid GL getting lynched. Never having voted him, not even to get a lynch, because apparently GL's CF isn't better than a no-lynch. And who is that true for? Scum. Scum either saving their buddy, or keeping town alive for the inevitable WIFOM he will bring. To town, any lynch gives more information, GL's especially, since without it there's a boatload of WIFOM.

POSSIBLE WIFOM ALERT:

And here's where it gets a bit more speculative, because it's NK analysis.

Nimander and Ampelas were both voting Pallid, the only ones doing so, when day ended. Pallid got NK'ed. Atrahal called out Nimander, Ampelas, and GL as scum yesterday, Ampelas overreacted, and Atrahal got NK'ed. Atrahal was a nonentity, basically, besides calling out Nimander and Ampelas as scum, so why else would scum want to kill them? He wouldn't help town much more alive than dead, judging by his post count, so I can't see any other reason for an NK. To be quite honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Denul got NK'ed tonight, after he's come after them. Of course, now he won't be NK'ed, because that would be too obvious for scum to do now that I've pointed it out. But if they don't do it, then Denul will be hunting them tomorrow, as he's promised already.

Liosan, on 24 June 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

I'll draw this a bit more even. We need the WIFOM gone, and with GL's CF everything will be so much clearer.

Vote Galayn Lord

It's not personal dude, just needs to be done for the greater good.

Liosan, on 24 June 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

Remove vote


No scum would self vote like that. I'm completely convinced that you're town at this point. I'm prepared to stake a lot on it. I'm going to keep my vote off of anyone right now.

Liosan, on 25 June 2014 - 01:03 AM, said:

I'm honestly glad you counted wrong, GL , because if you had been right, you'd be dead, and your self-vote wouldn't have given me time to remove vote. I just want to put this out there though: Me relentlessly targetting you the first two days weren't only because of the one post everyone thinks it was about. It was for day one, but then seeing Nimander attempt to stall your lynch(yes it wouldn't have done anything either way, but its the thought that counts) made me more suspicious, but I wasn't sure of who yet. I assumed it was one scum defending the other, but then I realized that was waaaay too obvious, and after seeing how you being around after not only the first failed lynch, but the second (failed on you at least) that scum was keeping you around for the WIFOM factor. you self-voting and expecting to die from it is something no scum would do, and that gets rid of basically all the WIFOM for me. Now I think we need to go after those who tried to keep you around under the guise of "he doesn't deserve a lynch so I won't vote no matter how close he is to getting lynched"(not town play. A CF is always better than no CF.) Namely Ampelas and Nimander, with a look at Barghy too.

But I really don't feel comfortable voting Denul. I understand why people would vote him, but I also see where he's coming from in wanting to clear up the WIFOM. The problem is, Denul's asleep, apparently, so he can't respond to the new development that made me change my mind on voting GL. The other problem is we don't have enough time to wait for him to wake up. In a perfect world, day would be longer and we'd be able to wait for his response, but the world isn't perfect. I'll probably hammer if no one else comes along, because, as I've said over and over, a CF is always better than no CF. Especially the CF of someone who was so radically to one side of an argument over the fate of GL.

Liosan, on 25 June 2014 - 01:05 AM, said:

Wow I just realized there weren't 4 votes on Denul... Was still acting on the old update

Liosan, on 25 June 2014 - 01:08 AM, said:

Fuck. I'm so torn right now. I could humor Denul and get rid of the WIFOM, even though I'm convinced now that he's town, or a scum playing so well that he deserves MoM, or let us no-lynch. I'm leaning towards the lynch because it's better to be safe than sorry, and I'd rather not take the risk. D-Day will be tomorrow either way if there are 3 scum, so it's better to narrow it down a little more. We have like 40 minutes left or so. If it comes down to 15 minutes or so left, I'll hammer.

Liosan, on 25 June 2014 - 01:38 AM, said:

Dammit. GL, no hard feelings, but there are some people who want confirmation as to your alignment, and it doesn't hurt to be sure. no other lynch is viable, and if there are 3 scum, its D-day tomorrow whether or not you get lynched.

Vote GL

If Liosan is scum then he is playing a great game. He has managed to stay out of pissing matches and puts forth intelligent ideas. He is playing like a good towny or like a very good scum. I lean toward town.


Editted to put in the out of order at the top.

This post has been edited by Denul: 25 June 2014 - 07:05 PM

[Denul]

Liosans contributions

Liosan, on 17 June 2014 - 05:59 PM, said:

Here, and semi-paying attention.

Liosan, on 17 June 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

If only there was a hello kitty/dragon mixed breed out there that would satisfy everyone

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 18 June 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

Well, since that case of Denul's basically refutes my reason for voting for him, I shall:

Remove Vote

I can see he's thinking along similar lines to my reasoning above in his case. But actually, the player who stood out a bit more to me was Barghast, particularly with this post:

Barghast, on 18 June 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

I'm not very good at small talk. However, this did make me laugh..

Which happened a full two hours after this post from Shinrei:

Shinrei, on 18 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

It is day 1, 15 hours and 10 minutes are left.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Pallid
1 vote Hood's Path: Galayn Lord

Players not voting: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Note the underlined. We are short on time, and Barghast is cracking jokes with no indication that he's willing to engage his brain (even on the meagre evidence that had been presented up to that point).

We are short on time and with so many low posters, with nobody having signed up as one (at least that I can recall), I might be willing to forgo the usual ignore low posters on Day 1 and start looking towards people like Lio and Nimander. The Idea on Barghast is worthy of some attention. I would like to see a response and lets throw someone else into the mix. For exactly the same reasons as the vote for me. Lets see NG get serious.

Vote Nimander Golit

I think it's a bit much to target a single person for cracking jokes and wasting time after we wasting literally 2/3 of the day doing it. Glass houses and stones and all that, you know. I do like how we're starting to get serious though, and I'm taking a second look at the thread to see who I'd like to put some pressure on.

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

Well, since that case of Denul's basically refutes my reason for voting for him, I shall:

Remove Vote

I can see he's thinking along similar lines to my reasoning above in his case. But actually, the player who stood out a bit more to me was Barghast, particularly with this post:

Barghast, on 18 June 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

I'm not very good at small talk. However, this did make me laugh..

Which happened a full two hours after this post from Shinrei:

Shinrei, on 18 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

It is day 1, 15 hours and 10 minutes are left.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Pallid
1 vote Hood's Path: Galayn Lord

Players not voting: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Note the underlined. We are short on time, and Barghast is cracking jokes with no indication that he's willing to engage his brain (even on the meagre evidence that had been presented up to that point).

Noting the underlined, does that post by Barghast stink of signalling or is it just me that thinks so?

HP, good of you to join us.

Remove Vote

On my phone so no complicated shit from me today.

I was thinking the random vote on HP was showing that you didn't care who you voted for (scummy imo) but with the remove vote due to HP appearing it seems like you were just jumping the gun on trying to get people to appear and post when there wasn't anything happening on thread. So you lose suspiciousness to me

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:26 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

Well, since that case of Denul's basically refutes my reason for voting for him, I shall:

Remove Vote

I can see he's thinking along similar lines to my reasoning above in his case. But actually, the player who stood out a bit more to me was Barghast, particularly with this post:

Barghast, on 18 June 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

I'm not very good at small talk. However, this did make me laugh..

Which happened a full two hours after this post from Shinrei:

Shinrei, on 18 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

It is day 1, 15 hours and 10 minutes are left.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Pallid
1 vote Hood's Path: Galayn Lord

Players not voting: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Note the underlined. We are short on time, and Barghast is cracking jokes with no indication that he's willing to engage his brain (even on the meagre evidence that had been presented up to that point).

Noting the underlined, does that post by Barghast stink of signalling or is it just me that thinks so?

HP, good of you to join us.

Remove Vote

On my phone so no complicated shit from me today.

I was thinking the random vote on HP was showing that you didn't care who you voted for (scummy imo) but with the remove vote due to HP appearing it seems like you were just jumping the gun on trying to get people to appear and post when there wasn't anything happening on thread. So you lose suspiciousness to me

This seems like a post trying to say that GL is town like to me. This makes me want to pay more attention to both you and GL.

I was saying hes less suspicious than when he voted. If he hadnt removed i would be voting him right now, but now hes less suspicious, but not unscummy.

Edit:damn phone

[Denul]

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 04:51 PM, said:

Hood, on 18 June 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

I'm likely to not be around any for the next 5 or 6 hours. There's still at least that much time in the day isn't there?

I think theres like 8 or 9 hours left, iirc

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

Well, since that case of Denul's basically refutes my reason for voting for him, I shall:

Remove Vote

I can see he's thinking along similar lines to my reasoning above in his case. But actually, the player who stood out a bit more to me was Barghast, particularly with this post:

Barghast, on 18 June 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

I'm not very good at small talk. However, this did make me laugh..

Which happened a full two hours after this post from Shinrei:

Shinrei, on 18 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

It is day 1, 15 hours and 10 minutes are left.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Pallid
1 vote Hood's Path: Galayn Lord

Players not voting: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Note the underlined. We are short on time, and Barghast is cracking jokes with no indication that he's willing to engage his brain (even on the meagre evidence that had been presented up to that point).

Noting the underlined, does that post by Barghast stink of signalling or is it just me that thinks so?

HP, good of you to join us.

Remove Vote

On my phone so no complicated shit from me today.

I was thinking the random vote on HP was showing that you didn't care who you voted for (scummy imo) but with the remove vote due to HP appearing it seems like you were just jumping the gun on trying to get people to appear and post when there wasn't anything happening on thread. So you lose suspiciousness to me

This seems like a post trying to say that GL is town like to me. This makes me want to pay more attention to both you and GL.

Agreed, I dislike that post immeasurably. The style of judging an alt on single posts rubs me up the wrong way.

Vote Liosan

Well this is interesting. I was judging you based on your actions the entire game: jokes, voting HP, removing, and now jumping on to denuls suspicions of me the moment you get brought up as connected to me. Seems like some jumpy, scared distancing. And now you're much more suspicious to me.

I wont OMGUS vote you, but know you're suspicious in my eyes

Oh wow, I'm suspicious again now. Consistent aren't you.

My vote is entirely independent of Denul - I based it soley off your single post that was quoted above.

You acted, I used the information it gave to draw conclusions. Its the way Mafia works, and just because those conclusions changed doesnt mean anything.

Also, what happened to not judging an alt based on one post?

I'm more surprised I've not been called out for voting you based soley on posting style, not content. Got something to hide or did you miss that?

I assumed the style influenced your gut feel on me, which on day one isnt a particularly unusual or bad thing, and i use gut all the time so i have no problem with a gut vote in general. But the circumstances around the vote were what i found suspicious.

Liosan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:17 AM, said:

I'm here, and will help avoid a no lynch if possible. I don't think anyone else is here though, only 2 anons on...

Liosan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:24 AM, said:

Top 3 in order of most to least suspicious: are Galayn Lord, you(This is a mix of Amps case and some gut), then its a toss up after that, maybe Nimander i guess.

Liosan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:28 AM, said:

So we could lynch Barghast, where we'd have I think 5 votes possible right now, or Pallid, with 5 votes possible, or (my personal choice) Galayn Lord with 4 votes possible right now.

Liosan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:28 AM, said:

Correction, the ones with 5 votes become 6 with HP, and GL becomes 5 votes possible with HP

[Denul]

Liosan, on 20 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

A tie: 4-4, neither train has more votes. Yes I said tie.

Liosan, on 20 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Barghast, on 20 June 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

Kaschan oozes newby whereas GL seems more like a veteran, and the woe is me doesn't seem to sit right with my feelings about him.

How are we going to proceed going forward? I am now leaning more towards GL especially because of his recap to Nimander

We only have like half an hour left, and my vote's already down, so its up to you and HP I think.

Liosan, on 20 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

woops crosspost, up to you, nimander, and HP now.

Liosan, on 22 June 2014 - 02:35 AM, said:

Anyone else here?

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

But if you're town, why would he not do that? It leads us to look at you, which, if you were town, would lead to a town lynch and would be good for scum. Only reason you wouldn't believe he'd make a link between you two is if you were scum. Its the only situation where it would hurt scum to interact like that. This seems like a slip to me.

It's still early, but

Vote Barghast

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

But if you're town, why would he not do that? It leads us to look at you, which, if you were town, would lead to a town lynch and would be good for scum. Only reason you wouldn't believe he'd make a link between you two is if you were scum. Its the only situation where it would hurt scum to interact like that. This seems like a slip to me.

It's still early, but

Vote Barghast

I don't know which side of the fence to put you on Liosan, I am leaning towards town but your focus since day one has been on GL and nothing else, I applaud your vote for me but you are doing it again based of GL which is rather safe from you isn't it?

Its not based on GL, its based on the way you talked about why GL is town to you. The way you explained it only makes sense if you are scum, because scum buddying with town, taking the townie down with them when they get lynched is actually solid play, not bad play as you seem to think. Your logic makes the assumption that you are scum. Since you posted about yourself, it looks like a freudian slip, ergo the vote. It honestly doesnt matter who you were talking about, just what you said.

I am willing to let my GL suspicions go for a little, because whether or not he's scum, I'm pretty sure you are.

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

But if you're town, why would he not do that? It leads us to look at you, which, if you were town, would lead to a town lynch and would be good for scum. Only reason you wouldn't believe he'd make a link between you two is if you were scum. Its the only situation where it would hurt scum to interact like that. This seems like a slip to me.

It's still early, but

Vote Barghast

I don't know which side of the fence to put you on Liosan, I am leaning towards town but your focus since day one has been on GL and nothing else, I applaud your vote for me but you are doing it again based of GL which is rather safe from you isn't it?

Its not based on GL, its based on the way you talked about why GL is town to you. The way you explained it only makes sense if you are scum, because scum buddying with town, taking the townie down with them when they get lynched is actually solid play, not bad play as you seem to think. Your logic makes the assumption that you are scum. Since you posted about yourself, it looks like a freudian slip, ergo the vote. It honestly doesnt matter who you were talking about, just what you said.

I am willing to let my GL suspicions go for a little, because whether or not he's scum, I'm pretty sure you are.

I don't get you, I am literally feeling like a dumb fucktard for even reading what you wrote.

As I seem to be a little simple minded right now, can you please dumb this down for me.

From what I can gather, you are thinking of me as scum because I am thinking GL is town because of his play, selflessness and other factors that I dare not go into because of possible modkill.

Go back to the beginning Liosan, look at your shitty argument, its day one, its okay to have one, but since then you have focused on it and convinced yourself GL is scum, whereas I have looked at the thread, participated in the action towards end of day, when it matter, I was there, and in the dogfight towards the end of day, and from that point I thought of both Kaschan and GL as town, I even said I thought Kaschan seemed new, which I was right with. So there is no way for you to convince me that GL is scum, and I won't vote for him, and from what I can gather that makes me scum in your eyes, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY?

My vote for you isnt about GL. You say you dont see scum interacting on thread like you and GL did, since it would connect you to him, and you'd get lynched because of it. But that presupposes you being scum. Since i cant remember any real pressure on you before today, it seems like a really bad slip. I'm letting my case on GL go. Your connection to him isnt the point. Of course, trying to clear him is suspicious, but town does that all the time as we so I won't go there. It's all about the way you worded your post about what you wanted to happen today.

This is on my phone so forgive me any errors

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 04:22 PM, said:

Barghast, on 23 June 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I am not going to focus on GL today, day one and two he has been focused on by all. In my eyes GL has a pass. I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players.

I will do a more in depth read, but regardless of anything I remember thinking Denul's play needs to be questioned and looked at. Also his vote after the lynch was scummy.

Vote Denul

This:
"I don't see scum interacting like that on thread, ie between him and I. No way, because if one is lynched and turns out scum then there is a direct link between two players"

You say GL wouldn't interact with you as he did because if he got lynched it would connect him to you, and scum wouldn't do that. Why wouldn't they? Assuming you're town, interacting with you would frame a townie and be a good move for scum. The only way interacting with you would be a bad move for an almost lynched scum would be if you were scum too,meaning it would connect you two, leading us to look at you. Since you say no scum would interact as GL did with you because it would connect you two, that leads me to see you as scum

Once again. I dont care about GL right now. The only reason GL is involved is that in YOUR hypothetical situation, he was scum.

Liosan, on 23 June 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

This is what I get for not reading up thoroughly... This is why we have the reply function.

Remove Vote

Now I kinda feel stupid. But that's mafia for you.

----so moving on from that, and as you all wish, away from the GL WIFOM, does anyone other than Nimander have any thoughts on Ampelas? I'll bring up what I have on him so far when I get home in like 30 mins, but I think he warrants a closer look

[Denul]

Barghast, on 25 June 2014 - 05:58 PM, said:

Well I was baiting Denul to see who he tries to turn me towards.

So you not actually looking at the thread and trying to find scum and are a lying sac of shit. Good to know.

[Denul]

Now for Nimander. There are less posts and as usual I will make comments if something pops out.

Shows that he knows about dragonsecks so has at least played in a couple of games.

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

Seriously, whatever happened to wholesome dragonsecks?

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 03:10 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 18 June 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

We are short on time and with so many low posters, with nobody having signed up as one (at least that I can recall), I might be willing to forgo the usual ignore low posters on Day 1 and start looking towards people like Lio and Nimander. The Idea on Barghast is worthy of some attention. I would like to see a response and lets throw someone else into the mix. For exactly the same reasons as the vote for me. Lets see NG get serious.

Vote Nimander Golit

I'm around - sorry, been in meetings all morning, I'm working on catching up now!

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

Hood, on 18 June 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

I see it's been rather stimulating conversation so far.

Denul, the only 'catch' in all your fine work is the possible Barghast/Kaschan signal which is worth keeping an eye on. Pallid, you would have a great point if Denul hadn't ruined it by building his Kaschan 'case'. GL, I'm perfectly happy with a low poster hunt. I think we've been neglecting that particular hobby for far too long. I hope that you understand that I prefer the prey to be the low poster that isn't me.

While I agree that we shouldn't let low posters coast for too long, I think going the low poster route on Day 1 is completely useless to us. I'd much rather lynch someone who posts enough for us to get a read on them than to lynch someone whose death will give us absolutely no information given they've said the next best thing to fuck all.

Who the fuck edits a post where you place a vote? By god how he not get yelled at for that. Then he doesn't even put in a reason for the edit.

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

I'm somewhat suspicious of Pallid's seemingly random vote hopping…

Pallid, on 17 June 2014 - 11:43 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 17 June 2014 - 06:43 PM, said:

Slightly disturbed by the hello kitty fetish

Vote Sukul Ankhadu

I don't think it's a good idea to leave such a disturbed individual in the game.

Okay, so the Sukul vote is a joke vote. That's fine, good for Day 1.

Then he starts getting serious, with a vote on Denul…

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

OK, the previous vote was a bit of a joke, but this one is serious. Denul says that he feels we need something to get the game going. He also says he doesn't like GL's vote on HP. Now, there's an easy solution here: he could vote for GL, thereby expressing his displeasure and simultaneously helping to inject some action into the game. But apparently Denul doesn't feel that it's his responsibility to actually do anything about getting the game started himself. He's quite happy just pointing out that the game needs to move without doing anything about it.

Remove Vote
Vote Denul

A game where nothing happens is a game the scum win - in my book if you're facilitating that you're at best an obstruction to finding the scum, and at worst a scum yourself.

Of course, Denul crossposts, which refutes Pallid's case without even having to try…

Then he puts a vote on Barghast cause Barghast posted a joke picture.

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:51 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 02:47 PM, said:

I looked at Barghast while I was looking over Kaschan. He is a little suspect. The other one is Eloth.

At least Eloth was willing to interact with others on thread and talk about what was under discussion, whereas Barghast didn't even acknowledge any of that stuff. I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and:

Vote Barghast

I think that he's playing the "I'm a townie, look at me while I vote hop on Day 1, like a townie would do, cause why would scum bring so much attention to themselves" reverse psychology angle. I mean, his cases so far have completely rested on "this person isn't taking the game as seriously as I am" and for a Day 1 vote, I'm not buying it.

vote Pallid

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

@NG: I've removed my vote twice: one was a joke vote (Sukul Ankhadu) and one was immediately refuted (Denul). Would you not agree that in both cases removing was justified?

I think it's possible that it worked out pretty conveniently for you, yes...

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

Barghast, on 18 June 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

He said there is no spoon, so no curve ball, just town and killers, if there were something else in the game then why just not say standard M and P? All he mentioned is town and killers so that is what I am going to play to. There's no point looking for something that may not be there.

Think maybe Barghast is trying to turn us off the idea of symps for a reason?

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

I think GL is right. The whole symp argument is a bucket of WIFOM anyway, so I suggest we just move on from the discussion, and look for killers. We wouldn't know if we hit a symp anyway, so there's no point in trying to find one, and it wouldn't be important until potential D-Day anyway.

[Denul]

Nimander Golit, on 19 June 2014 - 02:06 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 19 June 2014 - 02:02 PM, said:

Well as for I told you so, who doesnt like to be confirmed to be correct. I liked the case against GL and I still do. I hope it picks up more steam today. As for my "OMGUS" vote. Ive already addressed that in that I have stated at least twice in previous pages that I believed Sukul to be scum. Could my vote have been held off and timed better? Sure, but as we saw yesterday we cant seem to get people on the same page so I wanted my option out there early this time. Maybe Sukul and Barghast will even vote this time

But WHY do you believe this? I'm not willing to follow you into a lynch based on your gut feeling that Sukul must be scum. I'd be surprised if anyone did.

Nimander Golit, on 19 June 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 19 June 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 19 June 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Honestly? I haven't even read the end of day. I got pissed of with the wall of quotes, I'm not remotely interested in this game at the minute because I don't have time to avidly read it all up. I've requested replacement and am keeping the ball sort of rolling until that happens. So there's a good 1 1/2 or 2 pages I haven't even read, and won't be reading. I Logged on jumped to the end, scrolled back to see how day ended. And then Kaschan popped up like a scummy wack a mole

Why did you even tell us this.

You could only need a replacement for one reason...

I don't know why people have this stupid idea that if someone needs/wants to be replaced, then ZOMG they must be scum! Even as a townie, I'd want to be replaced otherwise you're basically giving scum a free kill.

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

Barghast, on 20 June 2014 - 12:36 PM, said:

I like the way we are getting two trains forming

Yeah, that's not annoying at all. Glad I made it before timeout. I still don't really understand the 'case' against GL, so I'm going to go with the one of the two trains I feel is on a scummier player, thus:

vote Kaschan

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Hood, on 20 June 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

First, I realize the day is short and we had a no Lynch yesterday but Nimander putting kaschan at L-1 with two hours to go stinks a bit to me.
Second, I really don't see if there's much of a case on Kaschan. I'm far more inclined to put my vote on GL. But since I just bitched at NG for that same thing I won't put him at L1.
Make no mistake, I will hammer whomever I have to to get the lynch today.

Well, considering there were a grand total of 8 new posts between the time I went to bed and the time I got back on thread, I didn't want to leave it to chance that we wouldn't get a lynch. The Day 1 no lynch has become something of a tradition lately, but I don't think it's acceptable for that to stretch to more than one day. There is only a little over 1.5 hours left in Day 2. That is NOT a lot of time, relatively speaking.

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

Hood, on 20 June 2014 - 02:39 PM, said:

That's why I'm less inclined to think GL is town. There is actually a case on him which he could be defending against. Kaschan is pretty much right about his. It mostly comes down to "oh you 'predicted' that Pallid would be town and the only way you could know that is if you weren't". There is not a whole lot one can say to that accusation. It's a 'have you stopped beating your wife' accusation.
Gawd, iOS spell correction really does not like comtractions

What is this fucking case? Can someone maybe dumb it down for me, cause I've seen no case!

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:05 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 20 June 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

So I was going to do a huge post but there are too many quotes and GIF's from Barghast. So Im going to keep it simple and people can go look for themselves. I am operating under the assumption of 3 scum. 2 killers and 1 symp. This puts the ration at 3:1 which is typical. I have Barghast pegged and a symp and GL and SA as killers. Paired or not doesnt really matter for the assumption. Barghast has done nothing but repeatedly spam the thread with GIF's even after being asked to stop by multiple people. Once Lio and I vote for GL and SA, respectively, he commences to defending both of them and trying to undermine both of our arguments rather than putting something out there himself. Then posts a bunch of Pallid quotes after he was killed, stating " I liked his argument", but nothing else. Then states exactly what SA about me "knowing" Pallid was town and nothing else. And now we are close to end of day with basically a tie on our hands and two people who said they are willing to vote GL, including GL himself. So, am I right about all 3? I dont know. But if GL CF's scum I figure I cant be too far off. And no this doesnt absolve a couple others that have slight inconsistencies but as HP said I will bring those up later if I am still alive to do so.

I would be willing to switch to GL if someone could actually give me a clear idea what this 'case' everyone seems to have on him is all about! I mean, I'll switch for the lynch if I have to, but I'm going to leave it to the last minute, or as close to it as I can, in hopes that someone will clarify this for me.

Strange because earlier you made it seem that you wanted to make sure that there was a lynch no you aren't so sure.

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Like I said, I'll vote GL if it's necessary for the lynch, but I'd just as soon not vote for him. The case against him is a load of shit, as far as I am concerned. You're all just latching on to the easy lynch for no good reason.

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

How much time do we have left? Do I need to switch over?

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

So we're at what, 5 votes each for Kaschan and GL?

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

I have to go for lunch, my stomach is growling like a crazed animal! Should I just hammer GL then?

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 20 June 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

I have to go for lunch, my stomach is growling like a crazed animal! Should I just hammer GL then?

I can't figure if you're scum trying to play for a no lynch because you're already voting me.

Uhm - my vote is on Kaschan, actually...

[Denul]

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

I have to go for lunch, my stomach is growling like a crazed animal! Should I just hammer GL then?

Let them get over their insecurity about not having perfect knowledge, the only WIFOM surrounding GL as far as I'm concerned is "Is he scum playing REALLY well at being town? Or just good town?"

As far as I am concerned here, kaschan is a better target.

Yeah but leaving him alive just means Day 3 goes back to Day 1's failed lynch of GL again. We'll spend the day doing stupid WIFOM and arguing over a case that makes absolutely no sense, then we'll have another stalled lynch at the end of the Day.

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:42 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 20 June 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

I have to go for lunch, my stomach is growling like a crazed animal! Should I just hammer GL then?

Let them get over their insecurity about not having perfect knowledge, the only WIFOM surrounding GL as far as I'm concerned is "Is he scum playing REALLY well at being town? Or just good town?"

As far as I am concerned here, kaschan is a better target.

Yeah but leaving him alive just means Day 3 goes back to Day 1's failed lynch of GL again. We'll spend the day doing stupid WIFOM and arguing over a case that makes absolutely no sense, then we'll have another stalled lynch at the end of the Day.

You are getting rid of someone to placate the people who are gunning for him for a reason neither of us can even SEE?

Yeah, it's a good strategy to help us move on to something new. If the people who are voting GL are right, then we hit scum. If they're wrong, then we can move on from their convictions and try to find actual scum. If they're wrong, but we don't vote GL out, then we waste Day 3 continuing this stupid argument.

Nimander Golit, on 20 June 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

Wow, talk about a last second decision.

Well, I suppose now it's just a waiting game. I'm gonna go eat my lunch, catch you guys on the flipside!

Nimander Golit, on 23 June 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

Howdy folks, I've had a busy morning at work so haven't had a chance to really dig into what's happened so far today, but from what I've seen, I believe that what we're looking at right now is:

Barghast wants to vote for Denul, going back to someone he's been suspicious of (and not just him mind) since early in the game. He's said that GL gets a pass for today, which I agree with. The point of not lynching GL yesterday was that GL struck me as town. The things he was saying, the ways he was reacting, were all very town. That doesn't give him a pass for the rest of the game, but, as I said at the end of Day 2, I'd rather not spend Day 3 WIFOMing the crap out of the already WIFOMed GL case. The thing about Barghast is that he DOES seem to be freaking out now that he's got some pressure on his shoulders, and that makes me automatically suspicious.

Liosan is up Barghast's ass because of bad wording by Barghast. I think he's making some pretty big assumptions in his 'case' but there is also merit to some of what he's saying. Barghast certainly needs to be watched closely, but I don't think there's anything to prove definitively whether or not he is scum, and I certainly wouldn't seem to adamantly certain about the case as Liosan does.

Eloth is up Barghast's ass for basically the same reason as Liosan. See above for my reaction to that.

Denul has only really defended himself from Barghast's accusations. The thing that gets me is that Denul is still subtly trying to bring the case back around to the GL WIFOM-fest. I agree that we should be keeping an eye on GL, but I think spending another full day arguing over whether or not to lynch GL, then either not getting a lynch, or just barely getting one, is just a waste. The other thing that really rubs me the wrong way about Denul is his voting when it was about 15 minutes after the end of Day 2, and a lynch had already been reached anyway. This always makes me a little suspicious, like maybe he's scum trying to seem like 'oops, I made a mistake.' Of course, he could just be a townie who made a mistake, so I'm currently on the fence about Denul.

To reiterate, in case this wasn't clear in my above few paragraphs, I think that GL is most likely town, and, if I am right about that, is being kept around by scum because of all the stupid WIFOM he is creating. Let's keep an eye on him, but let's not waste our Day 3 looking at him, or talking about why we should have lynched him, or whining about how he's still around and blah blah blah.

Besides me, that leaves, uh, Ampelas, Hood's Path and Sukul Ankhadu.

Ampelas is being reasonable about the GL thing, and that's about it for his input so far today. Just the fact that he's being reasonable about the GL thing makes me want to give him a pass for today, but he's too much of a non-entity for me to completely ignore. Going to be keeping my eye on him.

Hood's Path and Sukul haven't posted yet today.

Hood's Path was around at the end of Day 2, and he's the one who hammered Kaschan. I want to be suspicious of the hammer, but I find it difficult to be suspicious of a hammer when there is as much discussion around how the votes should fall, and who should be lynched, etc. He didn't just pop up out of nowhere and hammer, he participated in a pretty intense end of day discussion before deciding to come down on Kaschan instead of GL. Anyway, so I'm on the fence right now about HP cause that hammer could easily work for a townie OR a scum.

Sukul continues to pretty much be a non-entity with very few posts. If we decide to go the low-poster route today, Sukul would be my vote. I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to do this today given that in a 3-scum scenario, Day 4 would be D-Day, and I hate having to decide between a low-poster and someone with content on a potential D-Day. If Sukul is a low-posting scum, it would suck for us to have to try to decide to vote him out on Day 4 instead of Day 3.

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Anyway, in all of that, my lynch choices would be either Barghast, Denul, or, if we decide to go the low poster route, Sukul. I wouldn't be completely opposed to a Liosan lynch, but I'd much rather it fall on either Barghast or Denul than Liosan. I feel we're more likely to find scum amongst those two.

Nimander Golit, on 23 June 2014 - 08:29 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

A couple of questions for everyone.

Do we as mafia players ever learn anything from one game to the next?


Assuming that you have played in the last several games (5) that have been run what has one of the major things from those town loses been.

a. Leaving WIFOM in the game benefits whom?

b. Is it better to lynch someone who was almost lynched the previous day or to leave them alive?


Well based on my answers to those questions GL has to go. Leaving him in the game only benefits scum. If he is scum then obviously he will not be killed and if not then scum will keep him alive because of the WIFOM that is generated.


Vote GL

My issue with this, aside from what I've already said about the whole WIFOM thing, is that there wasn't a good case on him to begin with. I would have voted GL to get the lynch yesterday, but I saw no good reason to vote for him to start with, and still see no reason to do so.

Nimander Golit, on 24 June 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

Hello folks - I've got a work BBQ today, so will not be near a computer most of the day. I'll be here before timeout though. I'd put down a vote, but I don't want to put Denul to close to a lynch, and that's where my vote would currently go. I'll see what's going on when I get back from the work BBQ and make a decision then!

[Denul]

Nimander Golit, on 25 June 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

Hello folks! Sorry I missed end of Day yesterday - after work BBQ we ended up going to the pub for drinks, and, well, I didn't get home until after timeout. At that point I figured there was no point in posting until the CFs came out. So, here I am!

I've only done a cursory reread so far, but there are a couple of posts that stuck out to me:

Barghast, on 25 June 2014 - 11:33 AM, said:

I am around but I do not want to influence the thread in anyway at this stage, I like your train analysis. I did remove vote from GL and there are a few mistakes in your post ie you quoted Liosan but then said your own name in place of his.

Good analysis, it shows HP as a low lying scum. (however, it is biased and in your opinion)

It leaves Nimander out of the equation (I have you and Nimander as potential partners so it does fit)

Both you and Liosan could be scum, but you would be partnered with Nimander and Liosan with maybe HP, but not partnered together.

I don't know.

I don't know what to make of Denul as he did talk sense day 3 but day 1 and 2 was more of a non entity and the whole game he has missed end of day which is mighty problematic.

I could vote for plenty of players today.

These thoughts are no where near set in stone, I am going to do my read later on, and maybe I will just jump on a train today if I agree with it.

You and Nimander were dead set against the GL lynch on day 2? I think, when it came down to either Kaschan or GL.

If Denul is scum, who is his partner Amp? I would have said Eloth before today but now he is gone and innocent I cannot pair Denul with another player.

The guy starts this whole spiel with "I don't want to influence the thread in any way" (which, btw, what the fuck is that? This is Mafia for Christ's sake, everyone should be trying to influence the thread) then he goes on to do just that with all his thoughts. That being said, at least he is sharing his thoughts.

Next we have:

Ampelas, on 25 June 2014 - 07:33 AM, said:

Vote Denul

You HAVE to die.

Sukul Ankhadu, on 25 June 2014 - 09:40 AM, said:

This is nonsense.
denul was pushing thisbwifom where there was none, he was spouting off about symps and associated wifom, he has been doing nothing but muddying the water.
vote denul

There are already two votes on what is potentially D-Day. Given only 4 votes are needed to lynch, and there are potentially 3 scum left in the game (and possibly only 2, which, in this case, wouldn't make a difference), I worry that this right here is a bumrush by one or 2 scum to try to get Denul quickly lynched. I haven't liked Denul most of the game, and that was likely where my vote was going after the stupid WIFOM bullshit, but it is absolutely inacceptable to be taking this kind of chance on a potential D-Day unless you're scum, so now I'm thinking Ampelas or Sukul may need to go. As I said yesterday, it pains me to have to choose between a low poster with next to no content and someone with a decent amount of content who hasn't really struck me as scum before. Though I suppose that last could be indication enough.

Denul, on 25 June 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

Barghast, on 25 June 2014 - 11:33 AM, said:

I don't know what to make of Denul as he did talk sense day 3 but day 1 and 2 was more of a non entity and the whole game he has missed end of day which is mighty problematic.

You do know that the days are 36 hours long and that they end in the middle of my night right. I don't give a shit about this game enough to wake up for an end of day experience. I put my vote down the same as everyone else before I leave. It isn't like I didn't vote. I voted for the person who needed to be lynched.


As for the lynch on GL well that had to happen. You can't leave WIFOM in the game going into D day. I do like how to people have put down votes on me right out of the gate. Seriously are you guys playing for town at all this game. It is a shame to lose Eloth as Tapper is a smart player who I had down as town. I have Barghast as town as well. He just seems to confused to be scum.

It's convenient that Denul had Eloth as 'town' but only tells us this AFTER Eloth is killed. And now he has Barghast as town? It's funny that Denul feels that Barghast seems 'too confused to be scum' because I got the impression that Barghast was one of the players who seems to have a good grasp on what is going on. I mean, he didn't waste 3 fucking days on GL WIFOM.

I feel that like Sukul, Nimander hasn't really contributed much. But unlike Sukul he has put down some synopsis on players and play he hasn't been afraid to exchange ideas. I feel that Nimander is most likely town.

[Denul]

The thing that rubs me the wrong way about Nimander (Other then his refusal to vote for GL even to get a lynch (yes I know day 2 he said that he would but he didn't)) is how he reacted to Pallid's night kill. That just seemed to be off. How could someone come up scum when they where killed at night. That just rubs me wrong.

[Denul]

Now I am at the 3 highest posters and I do not have enough time left to get to them today. They will have to wait until I get to work tomorrow.

[Denul]

All of the lynches. I am a little sad to say that nothing jumps out at me.

Shinrei, on 19 June 2014 - 03:51 AM, said:

It is day 1, Day has timed out without a lynch.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu


1 vote Eloth: Denul
2 votes Pallid: Nimander Golit, Ampelas
1 vote Liosan: Galayn Lord
1 vote Ampelas: Atrahal
4 votes Galayn Lord: Liosan, Pallid, Kaschan, Hood's Path


Players not voting: Barghast, Eloth, Sukul Ankhad

The crow cocked his head and cackled, "Rodeo, Rodeo, wherefore art thou Rodeo?"

When he received no reply, with a wet smacking sound the crow took of from it's perch and wheeled high into the are. When it had reached the height of the Empire State building, it dropped the penny it held in it's beak.

The penny wavered and whistled as it plummeted story after story, until with a sickening "plop", it burst through the biggest, juiciest head it could find.

Pallid has a hole in his head. Sir Thursday! Sir Thursday is dead!

Shinrei, on 20 June 2014 - 10:08 PM, said:

It is day 2, 8 minutes were left at time of hammer.

11 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

6 votes Kaschan: Sukul Ankhadu, Galayn Lord, Ampelas, Nimander Golit, Barghast, Hood's Path
4 votes Galayn Lord: Liosan, Eloth, Kaschan, Denul
1 vote Ampelas: Atrahal


Players not voting: None


The construction crew stared into the hole at the withered corpse they had discovered. They stood there in silence for a while, until someone muttered, "Old corpses need fresh blood." Everyone turned and blinked bemusedly at each other.

After another five minutes of bewilderment they pushed forward two likely candidates for the corpse mating. After much deliberation about which one had eyes that more completely matched the corpses' tattered singlet, they pushed in Kaschan and covered up the hole again.

Kaschan has been lynched. He was, and will forever be, TheUnfound.


How embarassing
to have been beaten and killed
by a banana

Atrahal is Dead (and sticky, ugh). He was Khellendros, who will forever be immortalized in bad poetry.

Shinrei, on 25 June 2014 - 07:25 AM, said:

Liosan, on 25 June 2014 - 01:38 AM, said:

Dammit. GL, no hard feelings, but there are some people who want confirmation as to your alignment, and it doesn't hurt to be sure. no other lynch is viable, and if there are 3 scum, its D-day tomorrow whether or not you get lynched.

Vote GL

This came before the :50 minute deadline, so this is a lynch.

It is Day 3, There has been a lynch.

9 players are alive.

Ampelas, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Denul: Sukul Ankhadu
1 vote Barghast: Eloth,
5 votes Galayn Lord: Denul, Ampelas, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Liosan

Players not voting:Barghast, Nimander Golit

I CLAIM THIS LAND FOR MIGHTY SPAIN! cried Galayn Lord.
Unfortunately, his claim was contested by many others, who accused him of muddying his claim with other claims of claimants who claimed to have claimed the claim for themselves, or so they claimed.

He hung himself in disgust.



Galayn Lord is deader than a dead dead person. He was just a bear on a bicycle, was Messremb.

While out shopping for tops, a group of mannequins came to life and shot lasers at everyone within the confines of the department store. Most escaped with their lives, but for one who died while valiantly saving a bowl of goldfish.

Eloth is dead. He was the venerable Tapper.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

There's not enough pointless quoting of every players every post in this game for my liking.
makes it too easy to read up on limited time

[Liosan]

Just dropping in for a moment, sorry I haven't been particularly active today. I know this has already been touched on by a few people, but I seriously found both Sukul's and Ampelas's votes on Denul to be really suspicious. It's quite likely D-day, and an errant vote could cause a loss. I believed Barghy asked why Amp and Sukul would do such a thing, and the first thing that comes to mind is scum trying to wrap up a game they thought they'd already won. The only other possibility is really stupid town, but in Amp's case, he's acted reasonable and productive all game. Sukul hasn't really done anything, so I can't really say whether or not he's been reasonable, since he hasn't contributed anything. I will quite likely be placing my vote on Amp by the end of the day.

Also, even though I didn't really ever see Denul as suspicious, seeing the lengths to which he's going with his analysis and quoting, etc, makes me think of him as a very frustrated townie, not scum at all.

[Ampelas]

Liosan, on 26 June 2014 - 01:53 AM, said:

Just dropping in for a moment, sorry I haven't been particularly active today. I know this has already been touched on by a few people, but I seriously found both Sukul's and Ampelas's votes on Denul to be really suspicious. It's quite likely D-day, and an errant vote could cause a loss. I believed Barghy asked why Amp and Sukul would do such a thing, and the first thing that comes to mind is scum trying to wrap up a game they thought they'd already won. The only other possibility is really stupid town, but in Amp's case, he's acted reasonable and productive all game. Sukul hasn't really done anything, so I can't really say whether or not he's been reasonable, since he hasn't contributed anything. I will quite likely be placing my vote on Amp by the end of the day.

Also, even though I didn't really ever see Denul as suspicious, seeing the lengths to which he's going with his analysis and quoting, etc, makes me think of him as a very frustrated townie, not scum at all.

It isn't a town specific feature to be able to use to search or multiquote function. Denul is posting far more quotes that have no actual benefit than the ones he is commenting on.

I put mt vote on Denul as soon as I saw GLs CF. It was an announcement of my vehemence about Denul being scum. It has sadly given people an excuse to ignore cases people are making, and try to shift the blame off themselves. Live and learn.

[Barghast]

Bad attempt from Denul at any case making there. Looks like he is scrambling.

Back in an hour or so

[Barghast]

I am currently doing a quick recap of each day as it has happened with the remaining players.

One thing I would like to say is, have a look at this;

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How can town discern true scum or get a proper feel for each player when the post count is like this?

You want me to get a good read on Sukul, HP, Nimander who all have less posts than our day 2 lynch, Kaschan?

We sure do make it easy for scum to ride along.

Next thing I notice is the lack of activity from across the board today. Amp has made an effort with his case, Liosan has said some words, Denul has quoted a lot but not actually found anything.

I don't remember much else. Right, recap, post thoughts, and vote.

[Barghast]

Nimander states, day one post one that he HAS time to play mafia.

Nimander Golit, on 17 June 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

Yeah, I wasn't sure what I was gonna do if I didn't get some Mafia this week. I've literally got NOTHING to do at work this week!

Denul's first post is to bring up symp. As the OP stated there was no symp, just regular town versus scum. This is the first instance of him doing this.

So thoughts so far. Nimander has gone down the low poster route, and denul has gone down the create the wifom route.

Sukul states that he didn't sign up but let's get the party started. Now he has appeared every now and then and voted, but he hasn't invested much time into this game. If he flips scum then I am going to be really annoyed, there's not much we can do though. With his low content we have to go off his actions and he has voted most days from what I remember, so based on him giving us vote I am going to put him in the town category, it's up to you guys what you think.

Ampelas starts the game with his Hello Kitty picture, and is posting regularly off the bat, I would say this goes in his favour as he stands out by doing this.

Even Denul joins in on the banter, I would suggest this is because it is not game related and give you an easy route to padding your posts

Liosan's first post is interesting.

Liosan, on 17 June 2014 - 05:59 PM, said:

Here, and semi-paying attention.

It suggests that he is watching the thread but does not want to actively take part in it. This is a scum tactic, lurking, springs to mind.

Nimander pops on to comment on the dragonsex.

Now so far, we have had most players give their first impression on the game, show their initial feelings, only HP is yet to post. So from the start, right off the bat I dislike Denul, Liosan and Nimander.

Pallid votes Sukul, is this significant at all? I doubt it.

I do find Sukul's response a little off. We can all see Pallid's vote is a joke so why does he take it seriously?

Sukul Ankhadu, on 18 June 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

Well that was an exciting night.
way to be reaching for any excuse for a vote Pallid

I don't think it even needed addressing.

Ampelas spots this and comments on it.

to be continued....

[Barghast]

ie I didn't want to lose the post as it got too big..

Possible link between HP and Denul

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

Eloth, on 18 June 2014 - 01:01 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 18 June 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

Eloth, on 18 June 2014 - 12:45 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 18 June 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

Wow I get on this morning expecting a full fledged shit show and there surprisingly isnt much going on

Yeah, that was my reaction, too. Oh well.
Regarding the HP vote... meh. It would be something different if we were at page 6 already, but this is post #53 and it's rather hypocritical to vote for no-shows when there's nothing happening anyway, even to call the guy out.

But maybe that's just tolerant ol' me.

I am extremely tolerant, I tell you. I even let old ladies jump the queue.

To what? The queue to getting in the ground?


I am not a fan of the HP vote either. But we do need something to get this game going.

I am the butler and I say that the maid did the cook in the pantry with a candle stick. The freaky part was the lack of lube. Ha oh.

Interesting, there are two votes out there. Pallid has voted Sukul, but Denul only comments on the HP one.

I really think that is a good catch, Denul strikes me as a smart player and this early, when the votes are coming in slow, a vote on a player that has not voted, and Denul does this...

This garnered a vote from Pallid, which at the same time made Denul create a "case" and vote for Kaschan.

So this turn of events implicates both Denul and HP as scum in my books, only in hindsight and with how the game has progressed.

Pallid ended up dead, GL was nearly lynched and was focused on by Denul for most of the game.

[Barghast]

Looking back this was definitely scummy play from Denul, regardless of his barrage of posts today

Vote Denul

I am still reading through but I have convinced myself he is scum.