[Barghast]

Fuck, yes. Well I am sorry for missing the end of day.

[Barghast]

Liosan, on 25 June 2014 - 01:03 AM, said:

I'm honestly glad you counted wrong, GL , because if you had been right, you'd be dead, and your self-vote wouldn't have given me time to remove vote. I just want to put this out there though: Me relentlessly targetting you the first two days weren't only because of the one post everyone thinks it was about. It was for day one, but then seeing Nimander attempt to stall your lynch(yes it wouldn't have done anything either way, but its the thought that counts) made me more suspicious, but I wasn't sure of who yet. I assumed it was one scum defending the other, but then I realized that was waaaay too obvious, and after seeing how you being around after not only the first failed lynch, but the second (failed on you at least) that scum was keeping you around for the WIFOM factor. you self-voting and expecting to die from it is something no scum would do, and that gets rid of basically all the WIFOM for me. Now I think we need to go after those who tried to keep you around under the guise of "he doesn't deserve a lynch so I won't vote no matter how close he is to getting lynched"(not town play. A CF is always better than no CF.) Namely Ampelas and Nimander, with a look at Barghy too.

But I really don't feel comfortable voting Denul. I understand why people would vote him, but I also see where he's coming from in wanting to clear up the WIFOM. The problem is, Denul's asleep, apparently, so he can't respond to the new development that made me change my mind on voting GL. The other problem is we don't have enough time to wait for him to wake up. In a perfect world, day would be longer and we'd be able to wait for his response, but the world isn't perfect. I'll probably hammer if no one else comes along, because, as I've said over and over, a CF is always better than no CF. Especially the CF of someone who was so radically to one side of an argument over the fate of GL.

Er, why do you think this?

[Barghast]

I am glad we got the lynch, and I would have voted GL myself, removing that wifom was imperative for us to move on.

[Shinrei]

Liosan, on 25 June 2014 - 01:38 AM, said:

Dammit. GL, no hard feelings, but there are some people who want confirmation as to your alignment, and it doesn't hurt to be sure. no other lynch is viable, and if there are 3 scum, its D-day tomorrow whether or not you get lynched.

Vote GL

This came before the :50 minute deadline, so this is a lynch.

It is Day 3, There has been a lynch.

9 players are alive.

Ampelas, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Denul: Sukul Ankhadu
1 vote Barghast: Eloth,
5 votes Galayn Lord: Denul, Ampelas, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Liosan

Players not voting:Barghast, Nimander Golit

I CLAIM THIS LAND FOR MIGHTY SPAIN! cried Galayn Lord.
Unfortunately, his claim was contested by many others, who accused him of muddying his claim with other claims of claimants who claimed to have claimed the claim for themselves, or so they claimed.

He hung himself in disgust.



Galayn Lord is deader than a dead dead person. He was just a bear on a bicycle, was Messremb.

While out shopping for tops, a group of mannequins came to life and shot lasers at everyone within the confines of the department store. Most escaped with their lives, but for one who died while valiantly saving a bowl of goldfish.

Eloth is dead. He was the venerable Tapper.

This post has been edited by Shinrei: 25 June 2014 - 07:25 AM

[Shinrei]

It is Day 4, 36 hours are left in the day.

7 players are alive.

Ampelas, Barghast, Denul, Hood's Path, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

No one has voted.

[Ampelas]

Vote Denul

You HAVE to die.

[Ampelas]

At the moment I am leaning towards Denul and Liosan for scum, Denul for previously stated reasons and liosan because of those last few posts. Setting up his belief that GL is town after it is too late, voting for him anyway, declaring that even WHEN GL comes up town that we should STILL go after the people who saved him from the first nonsense lynch.

Going to reread and see if that changes my mind on him or brings anyone else to light, but I would be happy to lynch Denul at any point.

[Barghast]

He missed the end of day yet again. I do dislike that.

Too early to vote I think Amp because it is D day after all.

[Ampelas]

Oh we can talk and look about for other scum, I don't expect anyone to rush into this lynch. Just putting on thread early my strong desire to lynch Denul

[Sukul Ankhadu]

This is nonsense.
denul was pushing thisbwifom where there was none, he was spouting off about symps and associated wifom, he has been doing nothing but muddying the water.
vote denul

[Ampelas]

Votes against GL on day 1;

No votes for him until page 5, then a huge burst of 4

Liosan, on 19 June 2014 - 01:12 AM, said:

I'd rather lynch GL than Pallid or Barghy, so I'll take the lead on this. If no one agrees, so be it and I'll add to someone else to get a lynch later, but for now:

Vote Galayn Lord

Liosan leading the way, the reasoning for this vote is flimsy as hell imo.

Pallid, on 19 June 2014 - 01:32 AM, said:

OK, I've had a look back on GL at Liosan's suggestion. As he pointed out, the key thing on GL is the distancing angle. Denul attempted to link Liosan and GL together, and GL immediately put down a vote on Liosan in response as if to refute the accusation. Here's the key section:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

I was thinking the random vote on HP was showing that you didn't care who you voted for (scummy imo) but with the remove vote due to HP appearing it seems like you were just jumping the gun on trying to get people to appear and post when there wasn't anything happening on thread. So you lose suspiciousness to me

This seems like a post trying to say that GL is town like to me. This makes me want to pay more attention to both you and GL.

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Agreed, I dislike that post immeasurably. The style of judging an alt on single posts rubs me up the wrong way.

Vote Liosan

It's a real stretch of a reason, as far as I can tell. The fact that he has made an attempt to disguise that he is trying to sever Denul's hypothesized connection makes it worse - I would have been less put out if he'd just gone for a "I'll show you!" style post.

I feel like this is better evidence than what I had against Barghast, so I think I'll switch to support Liosan's cause:

Remove Vote
Vote Galayn Lord


ETF: lack of Remove Vote

Pallid agrees very tenuously with his reasoning, even though he calls it a stretch he still votes for GL.

Kaschan, on 19 June 2014 - 01:48 AM, said:

The distancing is there and certainly doesnt look good. Also his middle of the road semi helpful but not really posting also stinks of scum.

Remove Vote
Vote Galayn Lord

Kaschan is more certain and drops the vote without hesitation.

Hood, on 19 June 2014 - 01:54 AM, said:

I guess that answers that question. Ok, let's give it a shot.
Vote Galayn Lord

HP jumps on the train with a "hey why not" attitude.

No GL lynch on day 1, Pallid is NKed.

Liosan is the main proponent of the lynch today. Denul is not on this train, off on his own voting for Eloth. Liosan and HP are the only two still alive.

[Ampelas]

Votes against GL on day 2;

Liosan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:17 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 19 June 2014 - 11:47 AM, said:

Ok so Pallid flipped town, which I figured anyway. What do some of the people who werent around late day think about the GL train that got going finally?

Speaking of the GL train:

Vote Galayn Lord

Liosan once more starts the train, very early out of the gate.

Eloth, on 19 June 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Whomever the killers are, they have a thing for STd. Second game where he dies night 1, is he the new Mentalist?
I am intended to follow his thoughts. He phrased it well, and it still stands as far as I am concerned.

Vote Galayn Lord

Eloth follows suit using the reasoning of Pallid.

Kaschan, on 20 June 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

Well looks like we have about 4 hours or so left and once again nothing is happening. I think my Sukul vote has sat out there long enough that it will still hopefully have some attention on Day 3. But for now I would really like to see someone getting close to a lynch. So....

Remove Vote
Vote Galayn Lord

Kaschan tries to swing the vote away from him and onto GL.

Denul, on 20 June 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 20 June 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 20 June 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

Well looks like we have about 4 hours or so left and once again nothing is happening. I think my Sukul vote has sat out there long enough that it will still hopefully have some attention on Day 3. But for now I would really like to see someone getting close to a lynch. So....

Remove Vote
Vote Galayn Lord

Stuff that.

Vote Kaschan

With the proviso that I'll switch to myself if needed for a lynch. I'll check in again maybe 1hr/45min before timeout.

I am back for a bit. Sorry but I had a couple of things come up in RL that prevented me from posting. I strongly dislike it when people volunteer to vote for themselves. As if we haven't seen scum do that in recent games. I was kind of on the fence about who to vote for but attempting to clear yourself by stating that you will vote for yourself is not a townie play.

Vote GL

Denul gets his opportunity to latch onto GLs throat and doesn't let up for the rest of the game based on this one post.

Hood, on 20 June 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:

I'd much rather have a concensus than not. But since Shin is going to freeze after the lynch


Vote GL

HP seemingly votes just to try and get a lynch. He later removes this vote to hammer Kaschan.

No GL lynch on day 2, Kaschan is lynched, Atrahal is NKed.

Liosan is the initiator of the lynch again. Denul is now on the train and will never get off it. It is interesting to note that he pretended to change his vote long after the day ended. The others who has votes on GL at EoD on day 2 are now dead

[Ampelas]

Votes against GL on day 3;

A significant amount of time passes where GL is not the main focus of attention, it looks like Barghast or possibly Denul might be the ones to be lynched, until;

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

A couple of questions for everyone.

Do we as mafia players ever learn anything from one game to the next?


Assuming that you have played in the last several games (5) that have been run what has one of the major things from those town loses been.

a. Leaving WIFOM in the game benefits whom?

b. Is it better to lynch someone who was almost lynched the previous day or to leave them alive?


Well based on my answers to those questions GL has to go. Leaving him in the game only benefits scum. If he is scum then obviously he will not be killed and if not then scum will keep him alive because of the WIFOM that is generated.


Vote GL

Denul starts the train today, based on nothing more than "he has not died yet" he doesn't think he is scum or town and does not CARE.

Ampelas, on 23 June 2014 - 08:35 PM, said:

Denul, on 23 June 2014 - 08:21 PM, said:

A couple of questions for everyone.

Do we as mafia players ever learn anything from one game to the next?


Assuming that you have played in the last several games (5) that have been run what has one of the major things from those town loses been.

a. Leaving WIFOM in the game benefits whom?

b. Is it better to lynch someone who was almost lynched the previous day or to leave them alive?


Well based on my answers to those questions GL has to go. Leaving him in the game only benefits scum. If he is scum then obviously he will not be killed and if not then scum will keep him alive because of the WIFOM that is generated.


Vote GL

Because you are utterly incapable of dropping something and moving on. The WIFOM here only persists because of you. You were having trouble discarding the symp WIFOM as well.

Most everyone else has been able to say "We can at least discuss something else while keeping an eye on GL" keep stirring this WIFOM Denul. Day 3 and we are still going after someone who's initial train built up over something we can't even all agree on. Great.

Vote Galayn Lord

After this WIFOM is killed, I'm going for you next Denul.

I vote GL in a reactionary manner, as has been pointed out I get stupid/agressive when frustrated , something I have to work on. I remove this vote after making my case on Denul.

Barghast, on 24 June 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

So now I will address the scenarios.

Quote

Now, in my reasoning, I take issue with the CI-ing. I name three potential scenario's. Denul quotes them above, but let's repeat them since it's clear not everyone fully sees what I try to say. The scenario's are:

Either I agree with 1 or GL is town and gave me that vibe. The other 2 are way off base cause they involve me as scum.

Scenario 1.
GL is scum and offers to self-sacrifice. Barghast is not the only one to refute this, Ampelas also doesn't think so due to the wording, but Ampelas explicitly keeps the option open that GL might be scum. I remain doubtful. Barghast though is the only one to completely blithely refuse this option.
How can he be so sure, when scum will always try to sound like town, and it is a logical play to garner some sympathy when time runs down and there is an alternative (Kaschan)? If Barghast is town, does he not see the option that GL might have him fooled through sounding sincere? He doesn't. Because he wants a different direction.


Scenario 2
GL is inno and Barghast is scum. The tactical benefit of defending someone who is inno, is to earn someone's thanks and perhaps also come out shining ("told you guys he was inno"). Barghast prides himself several times on being able to spot that Kaschan was a new-ish player, even says somewhere he expected him to be town, iirc (but I might not, so disregard this or search for it). So he prefers keeping GL alive over keeping Kaschan alive, even though he knew some stuff about Kaschan already. Now he more or less CI'd GL.
In a game with killers only, the only person capable of knowing who's CI, is scum. Because it's anyone who's not a killer. For day two/three, that amount of certainty just has a funny smell to it. It is either day 2 syndrome (but if it was day 2 syndrome, he'd have an idea of who's scum, too, which eh doesn't) or scummy.

Scenario 3.
GL is scum and so is Barghast, with Barghast backing up GL and trying to save him from being lynched. In this case, the GL self-vote promise and Barghast then saying "that sounds like town to me" plus the insistence to not look at GL today make a perverse amount of sense.

An interesting side to this scenario is the following.
Barghast doesn't look into option 1 because he believes GL.
Barghast doesn't adress option 2 at all, probably because we should accept he's town.
Barghast does adress option 3 but his defense is extremely limited.

Firstly, he doesn't even say it's wifom. Instead, he says it would be a bad scum play because you leave a connection between the two of you. To which the logical reply is: only if either you or GL are lynched.
And this is a game with probably 3 scum. So one partner would still be hidden.

By insisting on a different direction (and possibly getting your way) this link would be obfuscated for at the very least another day - which would then be d-day.

Part 2 of why I feel Barghast is a better vote than GL, is that Barghast's defense is not only extremely vague (bad scum play, scum would never do that, and other things to that tune - if town doesn't pursue something consequently, then scum will do exactly that because they get away unpunished) but also panicky.

I say panicky because of the following.

A. Content of defense
His early arguments, when my post is fresh, focus on only a third of the possibilities in the "case", which is surprising.
Is this because this element is true, and it is the only way to preserve the facade? After all, if scenario 3 is true, neither he nor GL can be lynched, in his mind.

B. Further arguments later in the thread consist of the ever so sophisticated 'retarded' stamp in colour after every X comments. He still doesn't revisit option 1 or 2 of the case, though. He still doesn't admit he could be fooled by GL, either. If he desperately wants to avoid being lynched, that might be because revealing doubt now would put pressure on both him and GL? And after his statements earlier today and late day 2, he can hardly throw GL under the bus now, even if GL is town: it would be ruthless self-preservation, which is scummy.

C. Contradictory statement with his own theory on 'bad scum play'
He calls scum on two out of the three people who first pos something accusatory against him (Liosan, Denul, myself), seeing two partners working together there.
First, what happened to his conviction that scum wouldn't want to establish a link like that?
Second, if a completely unfounded OMGUS case on three players who's only thing in common is pressuring Barghast is the best effort he can make towards finding scum, what does that say about Barghast?

One, it means he doesn't have a clue who's scum if a spur of the moment idea is the best he has, or is enough to detract him from whatever idea he had.
Two, if he doesn't have a clue who's scummy, which is town's first responsibility, then how come he can so confidently assess that GL is town? This is reinforced by the fact that he also states that Kaschan wasn't a good option. To me, it sounds like a killer trying to blend in by defending people, but not coming up with ideas on who is scummy, and why, because that means sticking out your neck.

D. Barghast tries to put other player's efforts into comparison with his own, as if 'more present' means 'more right' or 'having more right to be believed'. I guess it's a pitfall for highly present players, but it's also blatantly untrue and furthermore, it is not a defense related to ANYTHING on thread. He doesn't seem very capable of accepting that he's making a huge gamble with the GL situation, either.

TL;DNR: too much certainty for day 2/3, an attitude that focuses less on finding scum and more on being the knight in white armor saving people, panicky OMGUS finger pointing, a minimalist defense coupled with the retard brand and a refusal to revisit a previous stance and situation.

Rather than trying to dissect what I am saying Eloth, focus on the lynch yesterday and where we need to go forward, I think we either have to lynch GL right now today, and remove that element OR we never lynch GL until we have caught scum.

What do you make of my Denul Case or vote?

Remove Vote

Vote Galayn Lord

I did not want to focus on him anymore bt too many people cannot see past it, let's do our jobs and clear the water somewhat. I wish we had lynched him over Kaschan now.

Barghast votes GL. This surprised me after his stanch defense of GL EoD 2.

Liosan, on 24 June 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

I'll draw this a bit more even. We need the WIFOM gone, and with GL's CF everything will be so much clearer.

Vote Galayn Lord

It's not personal dude, just needs to be done for the greater good.

Ampelas votes GL saying "it's not personal" hah, thats a good one. The one day he wasn't the first one on his train and suddenly it's not personal. Seems like this is the groundwork for his startling conversion from #1 GL hater to "hes town! hes town! woe is me I MUST kill him anyway!"

Ampelas, on 24 June 2014 - 09:40 PM, said:

Almost went to sleep before remembering to change vote, here you go, can't wait to see what happens either way

Remove Vote

Vote Galayn Lord

I return my vote to GL against my better judgement, but we need the lynch here. Denul has made it clear he won't let us do anything else until he is dead.

Galayn Lord, on 24 June 2014 - 09:45 PM, said:

Here and read up. Quit with the font rainbows.

Whilst I appreciate Liosan has had a boner for me since I voted him, that is a serious set of blinkers you've got on there L. Assume for a minute that I'm town. I'm lynched. Where do you see progression from there? Who will you "look at" next?

The original "case" on me was of me distancing from you. Now the only reason for that would be if we were both scum. I'm going to come up town which will peg you as a killer with me as your symp. See you in SH, bitch because I will CF as town (or not CF as Shin has been doing) where I will take great pleasure in a rant directed at you for being so blinkered.


So where do I stand on other alts?

SA: if scum, going to be enough to earn some enmity. Claims didn't know was in the game and seeking replacement, as post style shows has clearly not been replaced. HP was willing for a low poster hunt D1 - he can lead the way on a SA lynch no doubt.

HP: Seems to talk sense but I may be blinkered because he didn't lynch me. Do please bear in mind that we'd be doing exactly the same today with Kaschan had it been me lynched. Not sure on HP, could be either.

Eloth: Early makes some sense, explains his references when scum would have probably avoided making such calls (Ximenyr) that could be misconstrued. Makes a good point or two about Barghy. I was wavering but I'm coming down on E as town.

Nimander: Agrees with me on some things, can't see what the "case" on me was so props for having a brain. Clearly wanting someone else to make the call as to his vote at D2 EoD, either genuinely not sure or wanting to be able to pass the blame. Has stepped up quality of posts significantly (#397)

Liosan: Takes umbrage with me not liking his judging my posts alone on thread for town/scumminess, boner for me since. I'll go so far as to quote (I hadn't been intending to, the rest of you read up and form your own opinions):

Liosan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:41 AM, said:

Pallid, on 19 June 2014 - 12:36 AM, said:

Liosan, on 19 June 2014 - 12:24 AM, said:

Top 3 in order of most to least suspicious: are Galayn Lord, you(This is a mix of Amps case and some gut), then its a toss up after that, maybe Nimander i guess.

OK, interesting. What makes you put GL at the top of the queue (beyond the obvious OMGUS)?

Well a lot of it is his reaction to my post where I said that he wasn't as suspicious as he had been to me earlier in the day. Denul posts about it, saying that he wants to take a look at me and GL, then not long after that he seemed jumpy and tried to distance from me by voting for me for a flimsy reason (he didn't like the way I used single posts to make decisions, even though the posts I used were some of his few contributing posts at the time.) It got to my gut a lot.

So you're judging me, alone, on one of my few contributing posts and are totally ignoring the rest of thread. I can't help wondering if there is a scheme behind it - I'd like to think you're blinkered but can't help wondering. He has however tried to move on; others dragged it back to me today. First to mention on thread potential D-Day. Does a bit of train analysis - not enough mind you, you can probably draw out a little more from them but I'm not going to do it for you. Has a curious sentence in post 476 where a sentence ends "And since Gl " - I'm curious what this was to say Lio?

Amp: As I think I said before, trying to be annoying early doors but not trying too hard. I wonder still if it was setting the scene for a claim of no scum would do such a thing. Puts opinions and case out though and tries talking me out of self-voting. Amp, you were going to analyse the D2 train on me - please do so again and contrast it with this one. I had been leaning towards Amp as scum but on review I find myself going the other way. Even with the rainbow.

Denul: Some case building but does start the whole me distancing thing so I'm biased there. Happy to pull up Barghy when they claim me as PI/VPI/CI/whatever but also happy to speculate wildly as to what constitutes M&P. #2 poster and I don't see much I would disagree with there. Leaning town.

Barghast: I've already put my thoughts out on him, nothing further to add.


So conclusion? It is likely to be D-Day. Get and analyse thread. I want to see cases on everyone from SH.

Good night folks, I want to see who of you is actually scum before going to bed.

Remove Vote

Vote Galayn Lord

Adios.

GL self votes.

Liosan, on 24 June 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

Remove vote


No scum would self vote like that. I'm completely convinced that you're town at this point. I'm prepared to stake a lot on it. I'm going to keep my vote off of anyone right now.

Liosan removes vote and commences wringing his hands about how he was so wrong all game and GL is the One True Town!

Hood, on 25 June 2014 - 12:48 AM, said:

Hood, on 25 June 2014 - 12:40 AM, said:

Hood, on 24 June 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

I'll read up while I'm getting some food. But the Lio and GL whiplash vote dance right there looks a lot like desperation to me.

Glad I read back. Because I have a serious problem with a GL lynch based on wifom. To believe that GL is scum, I have to believe that Ampelas, Barghast, Nimander, myself, and now Lio are all partners with him or dupes. We've all resisted the lynch at some point.

So I went back to day one. And what I see is Denul pointing a finger at Lio and GL, then getting into a pissing match with him, then ignoring him (and the game), and today yelling his head off that we're all fools for not lynching based on the idea that we'll just be back to him tomorrow. That is admittedly a somewhat true statement. But again, I have to believe that he's managed to put reasonable doubt into a lot of experienced heads. And I have trouble doing that. So I'm going with the person who is stirring the shit.

Vote Denul

And shit. I got lost in the movie I was watching. There's only about 30 minutes left. No fucking way this is going to go anywhere except GL. It's either him or a no lynch. I'll put him back at L1. Somebody else can make the decision.

Remove Vote
Vote GL

HP votes GL for the third day in a row, once more as a "i've got nothing better to do" vote placement than out of any conviction.

Liosan, on 25 June 2014 - 01:03 AM, said:

I'm honestly glad you counted wrong, GL , because if you had been right, you'd be dead, and your self-vote wouldn't have given me time to remove vote. I just want to put this out there though: Me relentlessly targetting you the first two days weren't only because of the one post everyone thinks it was about. It was for day one, but then seeing Nimander attempt to stall your lynch(yes it wouldn't have done anything either way, but its the thought that counts) made me more suspicious, but I wasn't sure of who yet. I assumed it was one scum defending the other, but then I realized that was waaaay too obvious, and after seeing how you being around after not only the first failed lynch, but the second (failed on you at least) that scum was keeping you around for the WIFOM factor. you self-voting and expecting to die from it is something no scum would do, and that gets rid of basically all the WIFOM for me. Now I think we need to go after those who tried to keep you around under the guise of "he doesn't deserve a lynch so I won't vote no matter how close he is to getting lynched"(not town play. A CF is always better than no CF.) Namely Ampelas and Nimander, with a look at Barghy too.

But I really don't feel comfortable voting Denul. I understand why people would vote him, but I also see where he's coming from in wanting to clear up the WIFOM. The problem is, Denul's asleep, apparently, so he can't respond to the new development that made me change my mind on voting GL. The other problem is we don't have enough time to wait for him to wake up. In a perfect world, day would be longer and we'd be able to wait for his response, but the world isn't perfect. I'll probably hammer if no one else comes along, because, as I've said over and over, a CF is always better than no CF. Especially the CF of someone who was so radically to one side of an argument over the fate of GL.

Liosan, on 25 June 2014 - 01:38 AM, said:

Dammit. GL, no hard feelings, but there are some people who want confirmation as to your alignment, and it doesn't hurt to be sure. no other lynch is viable, and if there are 3 scum, its D-day tomorrow whether or not you get lynched.

Vote GL

Liosan hammers, he equivocates like mad trying to make it seem like he hasn't wanted to do this all game long. All the while trying to setup a situation where IN EITHER OUTCOME of GL being scum OR town we LOOK AT THE EXACT SAME PEOPLE.

GL lynched on day 1, Eloth is NKed.

Denul is the instigator on this day. Perplexingly Liosan does a complete 180 of the idea, but only after it is too late to have any effect. Liosan has have been on GLs case every single day, as has HP (he only swapped over the kaschan on day 2 to hammer, when it was clear it wasn't going to be GL), while Denul has been preventing discussion on anything but GL for the third consecutive day. The only new person on the train who is still alive, is me.

Ampelas, HP, Denul. Well that's interesting.

[Ampelas]

I could conceivably swap my vote to Liosan after his last few posts, I think both him and Denul are highly likely to be scum, I will be hard pressed to vote anywhere else today, and am very happy with where my vote is right now.

[Ampelas]

HP A full read through of you was shockingly easy to do. You have offered nothing of substance all game long.

What do you have to say about;

( a ) you non-commital posting until now
( b ) your persistent presence on GL trains despite having a "meh" attitude towards them and
( c ) the current situation with liosan and denul

Edit: Fixed formatting with ()'s

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 25 June 2014 - 11:08 AM

[Ampelas]

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[Shinrei]

Umberto?

[Ampelas]

Drat you figured out my secret identity, I guess you want your bloody book signed now huh.

[Barghast]

I am around but I do not want to influence the thread in anyway at this stage, I like your train analysis. I did remove vote from GL and there are a few mistakes in your post ie you quoted Liosan but then said your own name in place of his.

Good analysis, it shows HP as a low lying scum. (however, it is biased and in your opinion)

It leaves Nimander out of the equation (I have you and Nimander as potential partners so it does fit)

Both you and Liosan could be scum, but you would be partnered with Nimander and Liosan with maybe HP, but not partnered together.

I don't know.

I don't know what to make of Denul as he did talk sense day 3 but day 1 and 2 was more of a non entity and the whole game he has missed end of day which is mighty problematic.

I could vote for plenty of players today.

These thoughts are no where near set in stone, I am going to do my read later on, and maybe I will just jump on a train today if I agree with it.

You and Nimander were dead set against the GL lynch on day 2? I think, when it came down to either Kaschan or GL.

If Denul is scum, who is his partner Amp? I would have said Eloth before today but now he is gone and innocent I cannot pair Denul with another player.

[Ampelas]

Barghast, on 25 June 2014 - 11:33 AM, said:

I am around but I do not want to influence the thread in anyway at this stage, I like your train analysis. I did remove vote from GL and there are a few mistakes in your post ie you quoted Liosan but then said your own name in place of his.

Good analysis, it shows HP as a low lying scum. (however, it is biased and in your opinion)

It leaves Nimander out of the equation (I have you and Nimander as potential partners so it does fit)

Both you and Liosan could be scum, but you would be partnered with Nimander and Liosan with maybe HP, but not partnered together.

I don't know.

I don't know what to make of Denul as he did talk sense day 3 but day 1 and 2 was more of a non entity and the whole game he has missed end of day which is mighty problematic.

I could vote for plenty of players today.

These thoughts are no where near set in stone, I am going to do my read later on, and maybe I will just jump on a train today if I agree with it.

You and Nimander were dead set against the GL lynch on day 2? I think, when it came down to either Kaschan or GL.

If Denul is scum, who is his partner Amp? I would have said Eloth before today but now he is gone and innocent I cannot pair Denul with another player.

I know I messed up my name and Liosan at times, if you look at the post I made just before I made the case I started it right after that. Took me over an hour to write it with about 20 interruptions in between, I noticed and changed 1 amp to liosan but didn't catch the rest. The main point stands despite my mistake though.

I didn't mean to say HP was low lying scum, I meant to say HP is low content low lying player who I think is probable scum. Nothing definitive, I have asked him for his input today and we will see what comes of that.

I didn't spend a lot of time on nimander because he has struck me as reasonable to date, and has stayed pretty far away from GL trains, which is what my post was about.

Denul was making sense when he was smacking you down, but then he just started up the GL WIFOm again and made us waste the day on that lynch, look what it got us.

Denul is scum (there is no if for me) and his partner (or partners as other people have suggested 3 scum, but we can deal with that when we get to it) is *I think* Liosan. But out of Denul/Liosan/HP I would be stunned if two of them weren't scum.