[Galayn Lord]

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

Well, since that case of Denul's basically refutes my reason for voting for him, I shall:

Remove Vote

I can see he's thinking along similar lines to my reasoning above in his case. But actually, the player who stood out a bit more to me was Barghast, particularly with this post:

Barghast, on 18 June 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

I'm not very good at small talk. However, this did make me laugh..

Which happened a full two hours after this post from Shinrei:

Shinrei, on 18 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

It is day 1, 15 hours and 10 minutes are left.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Pallid
1 vote Hood's Path: Galayn Lord

Players not voting: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Note the underlined. We are short on time, and Barghast is cracking jokes with no indication that he's willing to engage his brain (even on the meagre evidence that had been presented up to that point).

Noting the underlined, does that post by Barghast stink of signalling or is it just me that thinks so?

HP, good of you to join us.

Remove Vote

On my phone so no complicated shit from me today.

I was thinking the random vote on HP was showing that you didn't care who you voted for (scummy imo) but with the remove vote due to HP appearing it seems like you were just jumping the gun on trying to get people to appear and post when there wasn't anything happening on thread. So you lose suspiciousness to me

This seems like a post trying to say that GL is town like to me. This makes me want to pay more attention to both you and GL.

Agreed, I dislike that post immeasurably. The style of judging an alt on single posts rubs me up the wrong way.

Vote Liosan

Well this is interesting. I was judging you based on your actions the entire game: jokes, voting HP, removing, and now jumping on to denuls suspicions of me the moment you get brought up as connected to me. Seems like some jumpy, scared distancing. And now you're much more suspicious to me.

I wont OMGUS vote you, but know you're suspicious in my eyes

Oh wow, I'm suspicious again now. Consistent aren't you.

My vote is entirely independent of Denul - I based it soley off your single post that was quoted above.

You acted, I used the information it gave to draw conclusions. Its the way Mafia works, and just because those conclusions changed doesnt mean anything.

Also, what happened to not judging an alt based on one post?

I'm more surprised I've not been called out for voting you based soley on posting style, not content. Got something to hide or did you miss that?

[Denul]

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

I think GL is right. The whole symp argument is a bucket of WIFOM anyway, so I suggest we just move on from the discussion, and look for killers. We wouldn't know if we hit a symp anyway, so there's no point in trying to find one, and it wouldn't be important until potential D-Day anyway.

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

So your thinking one killer or paired killers. Paired killer who can talk or only paired killers who know each other. If they know each other but can't talk then they would each have a kill. If they don't know each other then the possibility that the game can end on night one. Which would be fucking funny. If they know each other and can talk then that is a huge scum advantage. Which would have to be balanced out by town having at least a paired guard roles. Since I don't see any of that in the sign up either. Durrr I am going to say that the easiest game would be to have a single killer with a symp. Thus no need for even basic town roles.

There are 12 players - if there are paired killers, then that's 10 town vs. 2 scum. Why would that be unbalanced? That's a 5:1 ratio in town's favour, which is better than town usually gets.

Pick what you want to do. Do you want to continue to throw down over this or do you want to move on. I am fine doing either one.

I'm fine with moving on, our arguing about this won't change anything nor does it help us in any real way. I think it's best to assume that there are AT LEAST 2 killers, be they paired or not. Any less makes no sense.

We will be able to find that out tonight. If there are two deaths then separate killers. If there is only one then not.

[Denul]

Hood, on 18 June 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

I'm likely to not be around any for the next 5 or 6 hours. There's still at least that much time in the day isn't there?

By my rough count just over 10 hours.

[Hood's Path]

Good, then I'll be around at the end of the day.

[Ampelas]

Pallid, on 17 June 2014 - 11:43 PM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 17 June 2014 - 06:43 PM, said:

Slightly disturbed by the hello kitty fetish

Vote Sukul Ankhadu

I don't think it's a good idea to leave such a disturbed individual in the game.

First vote of the game, trivial reason.

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 10:07 AM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 18 June 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

Well that was an exciting night.
way to be reaching for any excuse for a vote Pallid

Are you implying you don't think it's a good case? I'll have you know I considered all the evidence and decided it was the strongest one...

Having considered all the evidence (not really, I just skimmed)

Vote Hood's Path

Low posting scum.

Pallid jokingly defends his Vote, GL then deflects by posting for someone else, and in going after a low poster is about to bring a shit ton of bricks on himself after the ruckus is caused last game.

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 11:14 AM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 10:07 AM, said:

Sukul Ankhadu, on 18 June 2014 - 06:06 AM, said:

Well that was an exciting night.
way to be reaching for any excuse for a vote Pallid

Are you implying you don't think it's a good case? I'll have you know I considered all the evidence and decided it was the strongest one...

Having considered all the evidence (not really, I just skimmed)

Vote Hood's Path

Low posting scum.

We talked about this last game, didn't we? Thanks for letting everyone know that HP hasn't arrived on thread yet, but otherwise it seems like a safe way to look like you're doing something useful without actually being very helpful...

Distance made from GL.

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 01:35 PM, said:

To what? The queue to getting in the ground?


I am not a fan of the HP vote either. But we do need something to get this game going.

I am the butler and I say that the maid did the cook in the pantry with a candle stick. The freaky part was the lack of lube. Ha oh.

OK, the previous vote was a bit of a joke, but this one is serious. Denul says that he feels we need something to get the game going. He also says he doesn't like GL's vote on HP. Now, there's an easy solution here: he could vote for GL, thereby expressing his displeasure and simultaneously helping to inject some action into the game. But apparently Denul doesn't feel that it's his responsibility to actually do anything about getting the game started himself. He's quite happy just pointing out that the game needs to move without doing anything about it.

Remove Vote
Vote Denul

A game where nothing happens is a game the scum win - in my book if you're facilitating that you're at best an obstruction to finding the scum, and at worst a scum yourself.

Swaps vote, still saying joke on sukul was only "a bit of a joke"

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

Hah, that was impressive timing.

This timing is so perfect it just seems off.

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

Well, since that case of Denul's basically refutes my reason for voting for him, I shall:

Remove Vote

I can see he's thinking along similar lines to my reasoning above in his case. But actually, the player who stood out a bit more to me was Barghast, particularly with this post:

Barghast, on 18 June 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

I'm not very good at small talk. However, this did make me laugh..

Which happened a full two hours after this post from Shinrei:

Shinrei, on 18 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

It is day 1, 15 hours and 10 minutes are left.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Pallid
1 vote Hood's Path: Galayn Lord

Players not voting: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Note the underlined. We are short on time, and Barghast is cracking jokes with no indication that he's willing to engage his brain (even on the meagre evidence that had been presented up to that point).

Removes vote after nicely timed posts, swaps votes AGAIN. As others have pointed out, this has not been a serious or action packed day 1. Voting seriously to lynch someone for making a joke now is ludicrous.

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:51 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 02:47 PM, said:

I looked at Barghast while I was looking over Kaschan. He is a little suspect. The other one is Eloth.

At least Eloth was willing to interact with others on thread and talk about what was under discussion, whereas Barghast didn't even acknowledge any of that stuff. I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and:

Vote Barghast

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

Worth bearing in mind that this is a Killers vs Town game according to the OP. That means no symps, and it's probably safe to assume two paired killers. So given that, why are people looking for signalling? There are no roles to code and no reason for anyone to need to signal anyone else. Interactions and distancing are the name of the game in a scenario like this.

I completely agree with this underlined statement Pallid, and your actions and conversations today have made you far and away the best target for a Day 1 lynch to me.

Vote Pallid

[Liosan]

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on 18 June 2014 - 03:18 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 June 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

Pallid, on 18 June 2014 - 02:42 PM, said:

Well, since that case of Denul's basically refutes my reason for voting for him, I shall:

Remove Vote

I can see he's thinking along similar lines to my reasoning above in his case. But actually, the player who stood out a bit more to me was Barghast, particularly with this post:

Barghast, on 18 June 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

I'm not very good at small talk. However, this did make me laugh..

Which happened a full two hours after this post from Shinrei:

Shinrei, on 18 June 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

It is day 1, 15 hours and 10 minutes are left.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Pallid
1 vote Hood's Path: Galayn Lord

Players not voting: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Sukul Ankhadu

Note the underlined. We are short on time, and Barghast is cracking jokes with no indication that he's willing to engage his brain (even on the meagre evidence that had been presented up to that point).

Noting the underlined, does that post by Barghast stink of signalling or is it just me that thinks so?

HP, good of you to join us.

Remove Vote

On my phone so no complicated shit from me today.

I was thinking the random vote on HP was showing that you didn't care who you voted for (scummy imo) but with the remove vote due to HP appearing it seems like you were just jumping the gun on trying to get people to appear and post when there wasn't anything happening on thread. So you lose suspiciousness to me

This seems like a post trying to say that GL is town like to me. This makes me want to pay more attention to both you and GL.

Agreed, I dislike that post immeasurably. The style of judging an alt on single posts rubs me up the wrong way.

Vote Liosan

Well this is interesting. I was judging you based on your actions the entire game: jokes, voting HP, removing, and now jumping on to denuls suspicions of me the moment you get brought up as connected to me. Seems like some jumpy, scared distancing. And now you're much more suspicious to me.

I wont OMGUS vote you, but know you're suspicious in my eyes

Oh wow, I'm suspicious again now. Consistent aren't you.

My vote is entirely independent of Denul - I based it soley off your single post that was quoted above.

You acted, I used the information it gave to draw conclusions. Its the way Mafia works, and just because those conclusions changed doesnt mean anything.

Also, what happened to not judging an alt based on one post?

I'm more surprised I've not been called out for voting you based soley on posting style, not content. Got something to hide or did you miss that?

I assumed the style influenced your gut feel on me, which on day one isnt a particularly unusual or bad thing, and i use gut all the time so i have no problem with a gut vote in general. But the circumstances around the vote were what i found suspicious.

[Galayn Lord]

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

I think GL is right. The whole symp argument is a bucket of WIFOM anyway, so I suggest we just move on from the discussion, and look for killers. We wouldn't know if we hit a symp anyway, so there's no point in trying to find one, and it wouldn't be important until potential D-Day anyway.

Nimander Golit, on 18 June 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

So your thinking one killer or paired killers. Paired killer who can talk or only paired killers who know each other. If they know each other but can't talk then they would each have a kill. If they don't know each other then the possibility that the game can end on night one. Which would be fucking funny. If they know each other and can talk then that is a huge scum advantage. Which would have to be balanced out by town having at least a paired guard roles. Since I don't see any of that in the sign up either. Durrr I am going to say that the easiest game would be to have a single killer with a symp. Thus no need for even basic town roles.

There are 12 players - if there are paired killers, then that's 10 town vs. 2 scum. Why would that be unbalanced? That's a 5:1 ratio in town's favour, which is better than town usually gets.

Pick what you want to do. Do you want to continue to throw down over this or do you want to move on. I am fine doing either one.

I'm fine with moving on, our arguing about this won't change anything nor does it help us in any real way. I think it's best to assume that there are AT LEAST 2 killers, be they paired or not. Any less makes no sense.

We will be able to find that out tonight. If there are two deaths then separate killers. If there is only one then not.

Or alternating kills. Sheesh we'll not know the exact setup till we're in SH. I have no real desire to discuss every possible permutation on thread but can if you really want to.

Just keep an open mind.

[Kaschan]

Ok so other than Barghast saying "These are not the droids you are looking for". There has been nothing else from him. So far I dont like him.

Vote Barghast

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Ugh, stop with the repeated embedded quotes you fuckwits.
trying to read up.
as of page 2 I was unimpressed with Pallids monkey in shit fight approach

[Denul]

I think that the below is correct. Feel free to fix it if you find that it isn't.


It is day 1, 7 hours and 2 minutes are left.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

2 vote Barghast : Pallid, Kaschan,
1 vote Eloth : Denul
2 vote Pallid : Nimander Golit, Ampelas
1 vote Liosan: Galayn Lord


Players not voting: Atrahal, Barghast, Eloth, Hood's Path, Liosan, Sukul Ankhadu

[Kaschan]

[Denul]

Denul 25
Pallid 15
Kaschan 14
Nimander Golit 12
Ampelas 11
Galayn Lord 11
Liosan 10
Barghast 8
Eloth 7
Shinrei 6
Hood's Path 6
Sukul Ankhadu 5
Atrahal 1

[Denul]

This is Atrahal's only post to date.

Atrahal, on 17 June 2014 - 09:18 PM, said:

I have just googled it and yes, they do exist. In quantities too many for me to do justice with just one attached image here.

[Denul]

You would think that after 29 hours most everyone would have at least 5 posts.

[Atrahal]

Eloth, on 18 June 2014 - 01:01 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 18 June 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:

Eloth, on 18 June 2014 - 12:45 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 18 June 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

Wow I get on this morning expecting a full fledged shit show and there surprisingly isnt much going on

Yeah, that was my reaction, too. Oh well.
Regarding the HP vote... meh. It would be something different if we were at page 6 already, but this is post #53 and it's rather hypocritical to vote for no-shows when there's nothing happening anyway, even to call the guy out.

But maybe that's just tolerant ol' me.

I am extremely tolerant, I tell you. I even let old ladies jump the queue.

The other day, two old ladies just pushed into the snack bar queue ahead of me. I said what the hell, and they were like oh we're just getting these things we'll be really quick and I was like you can be really quick behind me in the queue too, or are you afraid you're going to drop dead in the next ten seconds?

Hood, on 18 June 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

I see it's been rather stimulating conversation so far.

Denul, the only 'catch' in all your fine work is the possible Barghast/Kaschan signal which is worth keeping an eye on. Pallid, you would have a great point if Denul hadn't ruined it by building his Kaschan 'case'. GL, I'm perfectly happy with a low poster hunt. I think we've been neglecting that particular hobby for far too long. I hope that you understand that I prefer the prey to be the low poster that isn't me.

Barghast and Kaschan scum together two games in a row? Seems on the borderlands of the realms of probability. Just sayin'.

Denul, on 18 June 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

You would think that after 29 hours most everyone would have at least 5 posts.

You would think that, wouldn't you.

[Atrahal]

Vote Ampelas


Either they, Galayn Lord, or Nimander Golit - or some combination thereof - are scum. I say this because they've all been middling, with GL and Will-Never-Be-Anomander only really spouting off when they've been called into question, before then subsiding again. I chose Ampelas though because he's been even less of a non-entity than that.


Ironic coming from the guy with 3 posts? Maybe. Doesn't make it less valid though.

[Ampelas]

Atrahal, on 18 June 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Vote Ampelas


Either they, Galayn Lord, or Nimander Golit - or some combination thereof - are scum. I say this because they've all been middling, with GL and Will-Never-Be-Anomander only really spouting off when they've been called into question, before then subsiding again. I chose Ampelas though because he's been even less of a non-entity than that.


Ironic coming from the guy with 3 posts? Maybe. Doesn't make it less valid though.

Not ironic, hypocritical.

It's day 1 and I laid out my case for voting Pallid, when we start seeing CFs we can do more than joke about with each other. Until then you can fuck right off.

[Pallid]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 18 June 2014 - 05:58 PM, said:

Ugh, stop with the repeated embedded quotes you fuckwits.
trying to read up.
as of page 2 I was unimpressed with Pallids monkey in shit fight approach

Better to fling shit everywhere than laser in on one person and then give everyone else a free ride, that's my opinion. Your sour grapes aren't anything to do with the fact that my first vote was on you, are they?

[Shinrei]

It is day 1, 4 hours are left.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

2 votes Barghast: Pallid, Kaschan
1 vote Eloth: Denul
2 votes Pallid: Nimander Golit, Ampelas
1 vote Liosan: Galayn Lord
1 vote Ampelas: Atrahal


Players not voting: Barghast, Eloth, Hood's Path, Liosan, Sukul Ankhadu

This post has been edited by Shinrei: 18 June 2014 - 11:15 PM

[Pallid]

Shinrei, on 18 June 2014 - 10:52 PM, said:

It is day 1, 4 hours are left.

12 players are alive.

Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Pallid
2 votes Barghast: Pallid, Kaschan
1 vote Eloth: Denul
2 votes Pallid: Nimander Golit, Ampelas
1 vote Liosan: Galayn Lord
1 vote Ampelas: Sukul Ankhadu


Players not voting: Atrahal, Barghast, Eloth, Hood's Path, Liosan,

As nice as it would be to have two votes to cast, I suspect the vote count is a bit in error here . (Also, it was Atrahal who voted for Ampelas, not Sukul Ankhadu).