[Nimander Golit]

I saw the healer reveal before leaving, but I doubt that I would have removed and I almost certainly wouldn't have voted Barghast. Barghast's vote on Eloth makes sense to me at that point in time. Healer reveal looked like a ploy to gain a day. Easy claim to make because you can't prove it. And once revealed, if true, he's going to be dead shortly anyway. Test the reveal. And only one way to do that. And Barghast's vote on Eloth after the reveal would be incredibly stupid for scum. Why not just say, "oh, ok, well I'm not going to vote myself", wait it out, and NK him. That vote actually made a Barghast lynch more likely. Very, very ballsy or town.

No lynch, then no NK. WIFOM of course, but I find the two most likely explanations are Eloth is a killer or the killer abstained upon seeing the reveal. The latter requires that the killer did see the healer reveal and decided to throw some WIFOM into play. To be fair, I could easily be the killer under the latter condition. I'm not but somebody will bring it up.

Now that I'm looking at this through sober eyes:

Remove Vote


I still think you're scum, but I want to think on this a bit further.

[Nimander Golit]

and by further I mean another 30 minutes. Or until PS answers a question.

[Nimander Golit]

Denul, on 29 May 2014 - 09:11 AM, said:

I have not thought of Amp as a killer, but Eloth could be his symp for sure.

What about the other way around Denul? That's the reason I just removed.

[Galayn Lord]

Nimander Golit said:

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I saw the healer reveal before leaving, but I doubt that I would have removed and I almost certainly wouldn't have voted Barghast. Barghast's vote on Eloth makes sense to me at that point in time. Healer reveal looked like a ploy to gain a day. Easy claim to make because you can't prove it. And once revealed, if true, he's going to be dead shortly anyway. Test the reveal. And only one way to do that. And Barghast's vote on Eloth after the reveal would be incredibly stupid for scum. Why not just say, "oh, ok, well I'm not going to vote myself", wait it out, and NK him. That vote actually made a Barghast lynch more likely. Very, very ballsy or town.

No lynch, then no NK. WIFOM of course, but I find the two most likely explanations are Eloth is a killer or the killer abstained upon seeing the reveal. The latter requires that the killer did see the healer reveal and decided to throw some WIFOM into play. To be fair, I could easily be the killer under the latter condition. I'm not but somebody will bring it up.

Now that I'm looking at this through sober eyes:

Remove Vote


I still think you're scum, but I want to think on this a bit further.

I think you make some interesting points. One thing I would say is that it's not so ballsy by Barghast to vote Eloth at that juncture if the lynch happens to be between those two. In that case it can also be interpreted as scum attempting to keep a player other than themselves in the end of day firing line.

[Nimander Golit]

But he only had two votes on him at that point. IIRC. Just Denul and Amp with 90 minutes left. He garnered two vote because he voted Eloth.

[Nimander Golit]

Eloth reveals, removes vote from GL, and votes Denul.


GL removes from Eloth, votes Barghast.

Barghast removes from Denul, votes Eloth. So he had 3 votes on him at that time.

Eloth and Pallid remove and vote Barghast leaving him at L1 for the last 30 minutes of the day.

So yeah, I think Barghast's vote on Eloth was either ballsy scum or town with a logical reason.

[Nimander Golit]

Another interaction that just caught my eye. Before the healer reveal GL was the first on the Eloth train and Eloth was voting GL. They both make non-provable reveals. I have no idea what that means if anything.

[Atrahal]

Denul, on 29 May 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 29 May 2014 - 01:03 PM, said:

Denul, on 29 May 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

Atrahal, look you are voted and you react but you have not done much without being voted. Understand esé? You make good points when you are here, BUT you are only here when you are voted or have come under scrutiny. You have not done much else. Therefore, vote the wolf and he appears srpings to mind.

My vote right now just emphasized that.

You have not even mentioned Nimander or Kaschan. Not give us your thoughts on the no lynch. Nope. So yeah, you can "act like town" when it suits you.

Look upthread, you're not even my main target, your Pallid's. I was adding weight to his words, so why don't you address his case.

His play is consistent. Your's anything but.
As for being here when I am here.... that's when I am.
Thing is, bullshit statements like this 'he only defends himself' is when I come up as town, no-one will bother a re-read.
Truth is, for two days I have been calling Pallid on a gut-feeling, you on your ridiculous headless chicken play and now I've added Eloth to the list because that reveal stinks in too many ways.
The first is ignored and I seem alone, the second is acknowledged but everyone's ignoring you, anyway (since everyone also thinks you're a townie ans therefore necessary evil) and the third makes me seem scummy to others right now.

Well you come across as woe is me. I have a good theory or two about who is scum, I am going with one of them at the moment, the other I have kept back and not said at all on thread.

What do you make of the no lynch? What are your current reads away from the people I think are town?

blahblahblah. I remember you saying that one out of GL and Eloth must be lying. Only scum lies. So one of them is scum. You focused so far on neither since that empty statement.

[Pallid]

looking in periodically, what's our tmier like?

[Atrahal]

No clue about the timer.

[Galayn Lord]

About three hours or so I think. Most have now expressed an opinion. We now need that lynch so as to see how those opinions align with a CF. Eloth and Barghast have probably been the most divisive, so lynching one of those two makes sense at this time.
I'll have a last think and lay a vote down in twenty minutes or so.

[Atrahal]

I have little read on Nimander. I think Barghast is level-headed. While not my preferred choice, I will

remove vote
Vote Nimander

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 3. There are 3 hours 20 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul
1 vote Barghast: Kaschan
2 votes Nimander Golit: Eloth, Atrahal

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Nimander Golit

[Eloth]

Day 3 and we have yet to get a lynch.

While Nimander is not my first choice for a lynch, a number of people have expressed a willingness to follow through with a lynch on him, as his death will be informative to us even in the case he comes up town. This is also likely my last day alive, so before I turn up as a corpse;

Denul all over the fucking place, I think scum
Ampelas level headed a poor choice of words/slip seems to be the biggest gripe anyone has over him, likely town
Kaschan Mr perfect middle of the roader, look into this guy, can't figure him out
Pallid agressive but in the end not noteworthy, likely town
Galayn Lord don't know that I buy his BP reveal, had him squarely in scum before, likely still scum
Atrahal - kept pushing my lynch after I revealed, gut feeling says scum
Barghast - some questionable moves, don't know why, don't know either way
Nimander Golit - good candidate for taking information from his corpse

[Nimander Golit]

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 3 hours 20 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul
1 vote Barghast: Kaschan
2 votes Nimander Golit: Eloth, Atrahal

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Nimander Golit

6 inno and 3 scum. Maybe 2 scum, but statistically the odds are that sukul is inno. So tomorrow WCS is 4 and 3 with 4 votes needed.

PS answered my question so I'm back to where I was. Crazy Cat Lady is scum.

Vote Ampelas

[Nimander Golit]

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 07:47 PM, said:

Day 3 and we have yet to get a lynch.

While Nimander is not my first choice for a lynch, a number of people have expressed a willingness to follow through with a lynch on him, as his death will be informative to us even in the case he comes up town. This is also likely my last day alive, so before I turn up as a corpse;

Denul all over the fucking place, I think scum

I don't like his play style on the first two days. But that doesn't make him inno or scum to me.

Ampelas level headed a poor choice of words/slip seems to be the biggest gripe anyone has over him, likely town

I've said why I think he's scum.

Kaschan Mr perfect middle of the roader, look into this guy, can't figure him out

Same.

Pallid agressive but in the end not noteworthy, likely town

Hmmm. Agree.

Galayn Lord don't know that I buy his BP reveal, had him squarely in scum before, likely still scum

I think he's a good candidate for symp. Agree likely scum.

Atrahal - kept pushing my lynch after I revealed, gut feeling says scum

Disagree. I think there's a valid argument for lynching you. I've only seen self-healing specifically banned. Default is it's allowed. Although Blend likes messing with the default settings.

Barghast - some questionable moves, don't know why, don't know either way

Agree. But voting you after your reveal was a town move imho.

Nimander Golit - good candidate for taking information from his corpse

RI CF gets you what it gets you. Probably a "he was symping Barghast".

Those comments are assuming you're not lying. But then there's the line in red. You've revealed healer. Now you're implying that you can't self-heal?

[Eloth]

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2014 - 08:06 PM, said:

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 07:47 PM, said:

Day 3 and we have yet to get a lynch.

While Nimander is not my first choice for a lynch, a number of people have expressed a willingness to follow through with a lynch on him, as his death will be informative to us even in the case he comes up town. This is also likely my last day alive, so before I turn up as a corpse;

Denul all over the fucking place, I think scum

I don't like his play style on the first two days. But that doesn't make him inno or scum to me.

Ampelas level headed a poor choice of words/slip seems to be the biggest gripe anyone has over him, likely town

I've said why I think he's scum.

Kaschan Mr perfect middle of the roader, look into this guy, can't figure him out

Same.

Pallid agressive but in the end not noteworthy, likely town

Hmmm. Agree.

Galayn Lord don't know that I buy his BP reveal, had him squarely in scum before, likely still scum

I think he's a good candidate for symp. Agree likely scum.

Atrahal - kept pushing my lynch after I revealed, gut feeling says scum

Disagree. I think there's a valid argument for lynching you. I've only seen self-healing specifically banned. Default is it's allowed. Although Blend likes messing with the default settings.

Barghast - some questionable moves, don't know why, don't know either way

Agree. But voting you after your reveal was a town move imho.

Nimander Golit - good candidate for taking information from his corpse

RI CF gets you what it gets you. Probably a "he was symping Barghast".

Those comments are assuming you're not lying. But then there's the line in red. You've revealed healer. Now you're implying that you can't self-heal?

Correct, no self heal :*(

[Pallid]

sigh.

Lets guess what happens tonight to further wifom us all up after all you genius pushed to remove any doubt. Well fucking played

[Galayn Lord]

Why did you say I haven't healed myself YET in one of your earlier posts?

[Galayn Lord]

Also lol, you named like four or five people probable scum, Eloth.

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 29 May 2014 - 08:20 PM