[Ampelas]

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 01:32 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 01:21 PM, said:

Guys, what I know and can work from (though for obvious reasons you can't do the same without relying on blind faith), is that I was targetted last night, not Eloth. So:

1) Scum went for the person they thought would be least likely to be healed, and hope that Eloth is lynched the following day for not dying in the night.

2) Scum weren't around to change their NK to Eloth.

3) Eloth IS a killer and their reveal was false. They go after me possibly because I was one of the loudest in accusing them pre-reveal.


Way I see it, there is a two out of three chance that Eloth is not a killer. That's why I now focus elsewhere. Yes, it's not exactly stone cold proof or anything even close, but at the moment everyone is accusing absolutely everyone else, so just trying to cut it down some.

If I believe 1) is a stronger option, then the choices (that I know of) are: Denul, Barghast, Ampelas, Pallid.

If I believe 2) is a stronger option, then the choices (that I know of) are: Kaschan, Atrahal, Nimander

And if 3), then obviously it's Eloth as the choice.



At the moment I lean towards numero dos.

For option one, wouldn't Atrahal also be on that list since he's pushing for an Eloth lynch now?

I'm grouping in terms of who was around and posting at end of day yesterday. But if you did it that way as well, then both Kaschan and Atrahal would fall into both groups.


So Ampelas, why do you think Nimander is voting for you?

I'm not sure. There is the one wording thing that was pointed out before.

[Ampelas]

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Denul, what is with the constant repetiton of posting the same image?



Edit: spelling

I think it's his "Holy crap I just realised something" gif

I am also planning on continuing to post pictures of cats with Shakespearian insults.

[Eloth]

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I am also planning on continuing to post pictures of cats with Shakespearian insults.

Jesus christ I almost burst out laughing in the middle of work. STOP THAT.

[Denul]

Attention town, please read this.



I was writing my thoughts out earlier for PS. I will take the meta out, this was when I was asking Pallid about the game as a whole. (I do not know if this was before or after Nim made his comment, I think it was before).

Quote

My current thoughts;

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

I guess I need to open up my trust and distrust of players.

Acting most town like;

Ampelas - gut says town but head says scum
Galayn Lord - 50/50
Atrahal gut says he is town

Acting scummy
Pallid - Gut says he is town
Kaschan - gut says he is town
Eloth - gut says he is town/will cf as town
Nimander - possible scum

Meh
Barghast - possible scum


If I was scum;

Amp, playing a good scum game, because he is playing a good town game, I need to look at interactions

GL has revealed BP, its gone. Watch this space, early doors RP, swings me towards town.

Atrahal, early play smacked of scummy, disappeared for a while, missed end of day 2, dis interested, unless he felt threatened. His name cropped up today and he has appeared again. I guess he would be more involved if he was scum, unless his partners doing the work for him.

Pallid, is quite a scary little monkey. Say something he dislikes and you're getting it in the neck. He is a bit too aggressive to be scum, as that can get you lynched because it creates a negative aura.

Kaschan, he is going to coast through to the end. I hope he is town and will pull his finger out of his arse late game. Based on his play it is negative for town. He has received little to no heat all game. If he is scum he is surviving with very little effort.

Eloth, he was about to be lynched and revealed healer. I have to go with town, but if he was scum then he has done it perfectly so far, as he escapes the lynch, casts doubt across the whole thread. I think he could be symp.


Look, there are two killers out there and a symp.

The game as a whole I have to look at Amp as a master killer. His second could be anyone but if I had to put a guess it will be Nimander. The whole vote of Nimander vindicates Amp somewhat, I think scum must be looking towards end game and if he votes for Nim, it clears him because he HAS looked at him.

Then Nim comes on and OMGUS' amp? Other possible partner for Amp could be Atrahal maybe.

So I have these thoughts, and as you see up above, my response to Atrahal, I have not revealed my other theory.

Now just read this post, from my point of view.

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

It's not ENTIRELY improbable that all those roles exist in this game. Vig of any type tends to kill town more often than not, and I'm guessing the BP and Heal both would not save anyone since it was a day vig. Guard and Finder are generally the more powerful town roles anyways, and if THOSE exist as well, then yeah, someone is lying. (I am NOT suggesting anyone else reveal)

At this point, I feel it is in our interest to figure out what lynch brings us the most information.

We have a Barghast non-lynch yesterday, and no NK. GL claims BP was hit, Eloth claims he healed me.

A Barghast lynch today:

If scum, that makes Nimander a top suspect, and also gives us two trains to compare. Also people ignoring a stalled lynch and pushing elsewhere become more suspicious. If innocent, it makes Nimander look a little better and doesn't really tell us much beyond speculating what scum might be on his train (yes, including me).

A Nimander lynch today:
If scum, makes Barghast look suspicious and PI's some people who have pushed for him when there was no other support. If inno, then it means I was wrong on my suspicions and I feel casts Denul in an interesting light considering he went after Nimander right away, rather than Barghast.

A Denul lynch today:

If scum, makes me look foolish and scummy for defending him. Tons of stuff on thread by him though, so there might be something to glean. If he's inno, doesn't really do much for us unless he's the symp.

An Eloth lynch today:

If scum, same as Denul - makes me look bad for defending him. If he's inno, at best he could be a symp, but I think it would point to certain people who pushed for what I feel is a bad lynch for today.

Personally, I am fine with returning to Mafia 101 and finishing a lynch that stalled. If Barghast is scum, and we let him go a second day, the screams from SH will echo for weeks. And he provides some info. I mean, if we really want to get into "OMG WIFOM DISTRACTIONS", then certainly Barghast would qualify as someone to vote for as well. Sure, why isn't Eloth dead? is a valid issue, but also, why wasn't Barghast lynched? Where'd Nimander go? Or was there someone else who was online, but just laid low?

I have to say, if scum have a plan then Amp is putting it forward himself.

I think we should lynch Amp today. If not I would be up for voting Nimander.

Remove Vote

Vote Ampelas


At the end of the day, I only had it as a theory until Amp made this post. Hence the alarm bells ringing.

[Denul]

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 29 May 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Denul, what is with the constant repetiton of posting the same image?



Edit: spelling

I think it's his "Holy crap I just realised something" gif

Thank you. Yeah, it's more like, here I am. I have a new thought.

I played a game recently, the guy "Moocher" gained my respect. This was his signature entry Gif.

[Galayn Lord]

Well, if anything, Denul, reiterating Ampelas' post makes me more likely to vote Barghast, as it all sounds pretty reasonable to me. If Barghast turns up town, then Ampelas will warrant a closer look for sure.

[Path-Shaper]

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 9 hours 13 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth: Atrahal
1 vote Ampelas: Nimander Golit
2 votes Atrahal: Pallid, Denul

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit

Thats 2 votes for Atrahal PS

MATH.

If you look a little closer, you'll see that there's nothing to see here... move along...

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 3. There are 8 hours 35 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth: Atrahal
1 vote Ampelas: Nimander Golit
1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 29 May 2014 - 02:19 PM

[Eloth]

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 02:13 PM, said:

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 9 hours 13 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth: Atrahal
1 vote Ampelas: Nimander Golit
2 votes Atrahal: Pallid, Denul

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit

Thats 2 votes for Atrahal PS

MATH.

If you look a little closer, you'll see that there's nothing to see here... move along...

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 02:14 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 8 hours 35 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth: Atrahal
1 vote Ampelas: Nimander Golit
1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan

Also Nimander doesn't get to vote and also not vote. It's like you aren't even trying.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 29 May 2014 - 02:20 PM

[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

It's not ENTIRELY improbable that all those roles exist in this game. Vig of any type tends to kill town more often than not, and I'm guessing the BP and Heal both would not save anyone since it was a day vig. Guard and Finder are generally the more powerful town roles anyways, and if THOSE exist as well, then yeah, someone is lying. (I am NOT suggesting anyone else reveal)

At this point, I feel it is in our interest to figure out what lynch brings us the most information.

We have a Barghast non-lynch yesterday, and no NK. GL claims BP was hit, Eloth claims he healed me.

A Barghast lynch today:

If scum, that makes Nimander a top suspect, and also gives us two trains to compare. Also people ignoring a stalled lynch and pushing elsewhere become more suspicious. If innocent, it makes Nimander look a little better and doesn't really tell us much beyond speculating what scum might be on his train (yes, including me).

A Nimander lynch today:
If scum, makes Barghast look suspicious and PI's some people who have pushed for him when there was no other support. If inno, then it means I was wrong on my suspicions and I feel casts Denul in an interesting light considering he went after Nimander right away, rather than Barghast.

A Denul lynch today:

If scum, makes me look foolish and scummy for defending him. Tons of stuff on thread by him though, so there might be something to glean. If he's inno, doesn't really do much for us unless he's the symp.

An Eloth lynch today:

If scum, same as Denul - makes me look bad for defending him. If he's inno, at best he could be a symp, but I think it would point to certain people who pushed for what I feel is a bad lynch for today.

Personally, I am fine with returning to Mafia 101 and finishing a lynch that stalled. If Barghast is scum, and we let him go a second day, the screams from SH will echo for weeks. And he provides some info. I mean, if we really want to get into "OMG WIFOM DISTRACTIONS", then certainly Barghast would qualify as someone to vote for as well. Sure, why isn't Eloth dead? is a valid issue, but also, why wasn't Barghast lynched? Where'd Nimander go? Or was there someone else who was online, but just laid low?

I find that I am agreeing with you on all points. The only thing that I have on the failed Barghast lynch was that it was a sudden flip lynch rather then a build up train over the day. But we do need to clear it up.

The thread needs to be cleaned up. I do not like a Atrahal or Denul lynch as I think that both of them are making sense. I think that we are going to have to lynch Eloth before D day but that isn't today. To me the only acceptable lynches are either Nimander or Barghast.

While I think that the case on Barghast isn't very strong we have to clear the thread of some of the current WIFOM because it is just starting to get to be too much for us to see around. With that in mind.

Vote Barghast

[Eloth]

Denul, on 29 May 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:

Attention town, please read this.



I was writing my thoughts out earlier for PS. I will take the meta out, this was when I was asking Pallid about the game as a whole. (I do not know if this was before or after Nim made his comment, I think it was before).

Quote

My current thoughts;

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

I guess I need to open up my trust and distrust of players.

Acting most town like;

Ampelas - gut says town but head says scum
Galayn Lord - 50/50
Atrahal gut says he is town

Acting scummy
Pallid - Gut says he is town
Kaschan - gut says he is town
Eloth - gut says he is town/will cf as town
Nimander - possible scum

Meh
Barghast - possible scum


If I was scum;

Amp, playing a good scum game, because he is playing a good town game, I need to look at interactions

GL has revealed BP, its gone. Watch this space, early doors RP, swings me towards town.

Atrahal, early play smacked of scummy, disappeared for a while, missed end of day 2, dis interested, unless he felt threatened. His name cropped up today and he has appeared again. I guess he would be more involved if he was scum, unless his partners doing the work for him.

Pallid, is quite a scary little monkey. Say something he dislikes and you're getting it in the neck. He is a bit too aggressive to be scum, as that can get you lynched because it creates a negative aura.

Kaschan, he is going to coast through to the end. I hope he is town and will pull his finger out of his arse late game. Based on his play it is negative for town. He has received little to no heat all game. If he is scum he is surviving with very little effort.

Eloth, he was about to be lynched and revealed healer. I have to go with town, but if he was scum then he has done it perfectly so far, as he escapes the lynch, casts doubt across the whole thread. I think he could be symp.


Look, there are two killers out there and a symp.

The game as a whole I have to look at Amp as a master killer. His second could be anyone but if I had to put a guess it will be Nimander. The whole vote of Nimander vindicates Amp somewhat, I think scum must be looking towards end game and if he votes for Nim, it clears him because he HAS looked at him.

Then Nim comes on and OMGUS' amp? Other possible partner for Amp could be Atrahal maybe.

So I have these thoughts, and as you see up above, my response to Atrahal, I have not revealed my other theory.

Now just read this post, from my point of view.

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

It's not ENTIRELY improbable that all those roles exist in this game. Vig of any type tends to kill town more often than not, and I'm guessing the BP and Heal both would not save anyone since it was a day vig. Guard and Finder are generally the more powerful town roles anyways, and if THOSE exist as well, then yeah, someone is lying. (I am NOT suggesting anyone else reveal)

At this point, I feel it is in our interest to figure out what lynch brings us the most information.

We have a Barghast non-lynch yesterday, and no NK. GL claims BP was hit, Eloth claims he healed me.

A Barghast lynch today:

If scum, that makes Nimander a top suspect, and also gives us two trains to compare. Also people ignoring a stalled lynch and pushing elsewhere become more suspicious. If innocent, it makes Nimander look a little better and doesn't really tell us much beyond speculating what scum might be on his train (yes, including me).

A Nimander lynch today:
If scum, makes Barghast look suspicious and PI's some people who have pushed for him when there was no other support. If inno, then it means I was wrong on my suspicions and I feel casts Denul in an interesting light considering he went after Nimander right away, rather than Barghast.

A Denul lynch today:

If scum, makes me look foolish and scummy for defending him. Tons of stuff on thread by him though, so there might be something to glean. If he's inno, doesn't really do much for us unless he's the symp.

An Eloth lynch today:

If scum, same as Denul - makes me look bad for defending him. If he's inno, at best he could be a symp, but I think it would point to certain people who pushed for what I feel is a bad lynch for today.

Personally, I am fine with returning to Mafia 101 and finishing a lynch that stalled. If Barghast is scum, and we let him go a second day, the screams from SH will echo for weeks. And he provides some info. I mean, if we really want to get into "OMG WIFOM DISTRACTIONS", then certainly Barghast would qualify as someone to vote for as well. Sure, why isn't Eloth dead? is a valid issue, but also, why wasn't Barghast lynched? Where'd Nimander go? Or was there someone else who was online, but just laid low?

I have to say, if scum have a plan then Amp is putting it forward himself.

I think we should lynch Amp today. If not I would be up for voting Nimander.

Remove Vote

Vote Ampelas


At the end of the day, I only had it as a theory until Amp made this post. Hence the alarm bells ringing.

I'd be more willing to vote for Nimander at this point and see which way the wind blows after that. If he comes up scum then we can take a look at barghast AND ampelas for that choice of phrasing.

[Path-Shaper]

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 02:13 PM, said:

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 9 hours 13 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth: Atrahal
1 vote Ampelas: Nimander Golit
2 votes Atrahal: Pallid, Denul

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit

Thats 2 votes for Atrahal PS

MATH.

If you look a little closer, you'll see that there's nothing to see here... move along...

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2014 - 02:14 PM, said:

It is now Day 3. There are 8 hours 35 minutes remaining.

9 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth: Atrahal
1 vote Ampelas: Nimander Golit
1 vote Atrahal: Pallid
1 vote Ampelas: Denul

Not voted: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan

Also Nimander doesn't get to vote and also not vote. It's like you aren't even trying.

Your attempts to understand the workings of the space-time continuum are in vain!

[Kaschan]

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I am also planning on continuing to post pictures of cats with Shakespearian insults.

Jesus christ I almost burst out laughing in the middle of work. STOP THAT.

Were do you work that you aren't allowed to laugh. I want to know so that I never apply there for a job.

[Ampelas]

I'm playing a perfect game as town, because I AM town. Are you seriously suggesting that we should be spastic like you to be seen as "town"?

I have been clear and consistent with my thoughts and votes. I have also made an effort to comment about everyone, to make things clearer as lines are being drawn as the game goes on. These are things scum avoid or try to obfuscate in their contributions (hence my voting for Nimander on day 2).

With this theory of Denul's, that would add another line of information to a Nimander lynch today. If he's scum (and I still believe he is), then hopefully that clears things up at least a little.

I am happiest with either a Barghast or Nimander vote today.

[Denul]

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

I'm playing a perfect game as town, because I AM town. Are you seriously suggesting that we should be spastic like you to be seen as "town"?

I have been clear and consistent with my thoughts and votes. I have also made an effort to comment about everyone, to make things clearer as lines are being drawn as the game goes on. These are things scum avoid or try to obfuscate in their contributions (hence my voting for Nimander on day 2).

With this theory of Denul's, that would add another line of information to a Nimander lynch today. If he's scum (and I still believe he is), then hopefully that clears things up at least a little.

I am happiest with either a Barghast or Nimander vote today.

I am too but I sure have got my eye on you Amp.

[Eloth]

Vote Nimander

Happy to vote this way to see what falls out when we shake him real hard.

[Kaschan]

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

I'm playing a perfect game as town, because I AM town. Are you seriously suggesting that we should be spastic like you to be seen as "town"?

I have been clear and consistent with my thoughts and votes. I have also made an effort to comment about everyone, to make things clearer as lines are being drawn as the game goes on. These are things scum avoid or try to obfuscate in their contributions (hence my voting for Nimander on day 2).

With this theory of Denul's, that would add another line of information to a Nimander lynch today. If he's scum (and I still believe he is), then hopefully that clears things up at least a little.

I am happiest with either a Barghast or Nimander vote today.

So that is 3 of us who would rather vote for either Barghast or Nimander. Which one will it be.

[Ampelas]

Of course, now this makes Nimander's forthcoming case on me all the more interesting, if Denul sees us as partners. Maybe he was going to make the same "perfect townie" observation and suggest Denul as my partner.

[Eloth]

Kaschan, on 29 May 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

Eloth, on 29 May 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 29 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I am also planning on continuing to post pictures of cats with Shakespearian insults.

Jesus christ I almost burst out laughing in the middle of work. STOP THAT.

Were do you work that you aren't allowed to laugh. I want to know so that I never apply there for a job.

Didn't say I wasn't allowed, I just think it is a very very bad idea to crack up in the middle of a workday at a cat macro.

[Ampelas]

I actually DO want to see Nimander's case before I decide between the two. It could make lines even clearer and depending what he says make him seem even scummier, or actually less scummy.