[Nimander Golit]

Barghast, on 28 May 2014 - 02:34 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 28 May 2014 - 02:17 AM, said:

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11 posts between the vig trigger and resolution. Ampelas, Hood's Path, Fener, Kaschan, Barghast, and GL. Scratch Fener and HP.

Now it comes down to what you think is the right play. I'd have continued with the LIo lynch simply because there wasn't enough time to go elsewhere. If it was vig, he dies. If it wasn't a vig, why let him live to simply be lynched the next day? HP, Amp, Kaschan, and Barghast all disagree with me and think that lynching Lio is a bad idea. HP removes and votes Eloth. Barghast simply removes. GL is last with a remove and vote Eloth with no explanation. Kaschan has no vote down and Ampelas has his firmly on Eloth.


I'm willing to bet that one of Ampelas, Kaschan, Barghast, and GL are scum. Ampelas simply thinks that lynching Liosan is a bad idea and then disappears. Not a single word of encouragement to swing and follow his own vote for Eloth. Barghast explains why he removes. Kaschan doesn't say anything beyond he's hesitant to lynch anyone until the Liosan thing plays out. GL's remove and vote comes plenty late enough that he had to know he was wasting his time.

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11 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

3 votes Eloth: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Galayn Lord

Not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

Amp's lack of enthusiasm for is own choice bothers me but GL bothers me more. His stupid posts, jumping at the PS coercion, and then the "nah, I'm just fucking with you". But I have enough doubt about that that I'm more willing to go with the safer choice; the person who reset the modkill timer during the freeze:


Vote Sukul Ankhadu

You say that you think one of Ampelas, me, Kaschan, or Galayn is scum, then vote for Sukul as your 'safest choice.'

Your entire view on the Liosan fiasco concerns me. You call those of us out that removed from Liosan, yet we, or at least I, was around to have been able to vote for Liosan if needed. It doesn't matter that I removed. I was around to vote again had anyone else stepped up, but we didn't ever have enough votes even with the removes. I removed to give Liosan time in case he was trying to tell us something, and it turns out he was doing exactly that. You weren't even around to help us, so don't sit back and cast doubts at the only few people that were actually trying.

Just learning to read? "Barghast explains why he removes."

I'm suspicious of Amp and GL. But I think it's unlikely they're both scum because they were around. In case you may have missed it, we're not doing so well on the town/scum ratio. I tossed out a stupid line looking for a reaction and got nothing. With lack of conviction of anyone, I do think Sukul is the safest choice.

As for your "I removed to give Liosan time in case he was trying to tell us something" line? If he was a suicide vig he couldn't say anything else because he was dead. So you waiting to hear more from him is either stupid or disingenuous.


I'll play however I feel like playing. If you don't like that vote me or go suck a bag of dicks.

[Nimander Golit]

That should read "with my lack of conviction of anyone..."

[Ampelas]

I didn't explain because I thought it was obvious. A day-vig (didn't know if it was a suicide for certain) is NOT a scum role in a low TMDI game. If nothing had happened to Fener after PS showed up, you can damn well bet your boots I would have voted for Liosan.

[Ampelas]

Nimander Golit, on 28 May 2014 - 12:43 AM, said:

If Fener wasn't a symp and we screw up today's lynch, then tomorrow is d-day. And how many day one vigs actually get a scum?

Thanks for the clarification. I suppose that means...what exactly? That we should tiptoe around the thread some more?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 6 hours 31 minutes remaining.

10 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

2 votes Eloth: Galayn Lord, Atrahal
1 vote Barghast: Denul
1 vote Nimander Golit: Ampelas
1 vote Galayn Lord: Eloth
1 vote Denul: Barghast
1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Nimander Golit

Not voted: Kaschan, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

[Path-Shaper]

This mod is going to bed. Day times out while I'm still sleeping. Should get around to resolving about 9.5 hours from now.

G'night folks!

[Ampelas]

Ok, as I see it we've got votes on

1) A loudmouth,which always seems to be a more popular/lazy lynch target for some reason than limited contribution-types. (Denul)

2) Someone I believe to be a newb, whose crime is use of WIFOM. Also an easy/lazy lynch target. (Eloth)

3) Someone who is barely here beyond modkill. Easy and lazy, once again. (Sukul)

I find the liklihood that any of them are scum to be incredibly small. Denul and Eloth have both done things that GET PEOPLE LYNCHED every time. Scum isn't going to take that chance.

6 hours left, and that leaves the additional following people with votes who I am voting for (and not garnering any support for), GL and Barghast.

In the interest of getting a town lynch, I will switch to Barghast in order to get an actual train going and see if that gets anywhere. I see Barghast as slightly more likely than GL of being scum

Remove Vote

Vote Barghast

edit: Added "Additional"

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 28 May 2014 - 05:32 AM

[Pallid]

beyond his time stall 'stale' arguments fiasco what is the beef on barghast again?
I will get on board if needed for the lynch but honestly see Elotg as a more solid candidate and denul bothers the hell out of me with his flailing.

[Ampelas]

Well, based on 2 scum and a possible symp being alive, it's not the end of the world if we dont' get a lynch today. Two wrong lynches and two NK's means it's game over (nod to Nimander ). We can get an NK tonight to narrow the field, and still have two more days to get a correct lynch.

[Ampelas]

I feel I've gotten my feelings out on thread pretty strongly, about who I think is scum and who I don't think is scum.

The people I haven't mentioned are Pallid, who could be a strong candidate for symp IMO. Sukul has hardly any posts, so there isn't much to say there.

In the old days I would have given GL a pass for RPing, because that seems like a big ol' target for lynching and I wouldn't think scum would try it, but I think that's changed as more people have done more of it in recent games.

Kaschan has posted a bit more, and I could make the same case on them as I did on Nimander to a certain extent, although I get less of an impression that they have been trying hard to monitor the thread which is why I put Nimander in my crosshairs instead.
I throw Barghast in to the same boat as well, which is why I don't mind a Barghast vote.

My "Top 3" are Nimander, Barghast and Kaschan.

[Ampelas]

Of course, I will always have that nagging in the back of my brain that GL and Denul in their offthread scum coms said "Let's be as irritating as possible and see what happens."

[Denul]

Galayn Lord's change in play has me wary. What do you make of it Amp?

That is what Barghast had for us? I think he is scum so my vote stays there.

There are plenty of people not voting which is just bad play.

Pallid, you say I am "flailing" but you are yet to vote, because you lack conviction and literally are not pro town then I don't give a shit what you think.

[Denul]

Ampelas, on 28 May 2014 - 07:15 AM, said:

I feel I've gotten my feelings out on thread pretty strongly, about who I think is scum and who I don't think is scum.

The people I haven't mentioned are Pallid, who could be a strong candidate for symp IMO. Sukul has hardly any posts, so there isn't much to say there.

In the old days I would have given GL a pass for RPing, because that seems like a big ol' target for lynching and I wouldn't think scum would try it, but I think that's changed as more people have done more of it in recent games.

Kaschan has posted a bit more, and I could make the same case on them as I did on Nimander to a certain extent, although I get less of an impression that they have been trying hard to monitor the thread which is why I put Nimander in my crosshairs instead.
I throw Barghast in to the same boat as well, which is why I don't mind a Barghast vote.

My "Top 3" are Nimander, Barghast and Kaschan.

Discarding the lower posters, Kaschan and Pallid are near the top of my list but I don't want to look at the until tomorrow. Kaschan has posted like you said but, like Pallid, lacks conviction.

I see players that are discussing things and voting as more pro town than the people who are very wary of their vote. Until we lower the suspect pool I find too many people scummy for too many things.

[Denul]

Path-Shaper, on 28 May 2014 - 04:01 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 6 hours 31 minutes remaining.

10 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

2 votes Eloth: Galayn Lord, Atrahal
1 vote Barghast: Denul
1 vote Nimander Golit: Ampelas
1 vote Galayn Lord: Eloth
1 vote Denul: Barghast
1 vote Sukul Ankhadu: Nimander Golit

Not voted: Kaschan, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

Amp, if we switch out votes to Eloth then we'd only need 2 votes to lynch. However, I don't see him flipping up scum. If we stay as we are we have 2 trains forming and get to see where everyone else lays their vote. Barghasts vote bothers me, because he waited so long in the day and put it on someone that was not on the table. Pallid and Nimander? have both said my play bothers them, I cannot do anything about that. Their play bothers me, Nimanders not as much as Pallid's passive aggressive act.

[Denul]

Above I have laid down how I think is town, green. Amber is could be scum but I think not as much as red. It is sad I do not have more town reads. After today I will have a better feel for certain players, but the lack of voting and activity is what makes me so uncertain. The reason I have you as green is because you are on thread discussing things and you are willing with your vote.

[Denul]

I have green lighted Sukul because fuck that shit. If he is scum he should just accept modkill.

[Denul]

2 hours 52 left in this game day.

[Nimander Golit]

Pallid, on 28 May 2014 - 06:12 AM, said:

beyond his time stall 'stale' arguments fiasco what is the beef on barghast again?
I will get on board if needed for the lynch but honestly see Elotg as a more solid candidate and denul bothers the hell out of me with his flailing.

Denul doesn't like him. As far as I can see that's it.

Without any sort of consensus,, I still think Sukul is the safest choice for a low post killer. Especially with the survival post early Saturday morning. But I'll hold my nose and vote Eloth to get a lynch,

Remove Vote


Vote Eloth

[Pallid]

Ok fuck ie, officially. This us now the 4th fucking time I've had to write this, and its getting shorter each time.
Basically, I've stated quite clearly several times where I'm willing to vote, my preference is denul or eloth. Barghast is a last resort because I just don't see it.
Denul is flailing around like a monkey on crack in a shit fight
see above, would one post not have sufficed sir Paddington?
Now the crux of it I really want to vote Eloth and I really want to vote Denul, but the votes are to tied up in my head, is denul saying he's sure eloth will flip town to protect him or because he KNOWS eloth will flip town? Is denul really just on crack?
I'm going to flip a coin

vote eloth

Enough conviction for you?





eta, yes I know this was cross posted with nimander, I don't fucking care, I had to type this out in my messages then copy and paste it over after ie crapped out on me three fuckjng times

This post has been edited by Pallid: 28 May 2014 - 08:17 AM

[Nimander Golit]

Ampelas, on 28 May 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

Well, based on 2 scum and a possible symp being alive, it's not the end of the world if we dont' get a lynch today. Two wrong lynches and two NK's means it's game over (nod to Nimander ). We can get an NK tonight to narrow the field, and still have two more days to get a correct lynch.

Denul, on 28 May 2014 - 07:46 AM, said:

I have green lighted Sukul because fuck that shit. If he is scum he should just accept modkill.

You two just fill my heart with pride, admiration and confidence. "Oh well, we might as well vote night" and "ignore the no posting survivalist type; I'll give him a pass because wtf".