[Korvalain]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

Hallucination can verify the contract holder of RIO is who they claim to be, since they probably aren't scum picking that contract so late then they're highly likely to be town. However watch out for the modkill around contracts...

Given we aren't allowed to reveal what contracts we hold, it would all just be conjecture based on where certain people vote the next day, and only work if someone mentions on thread that they've been hit by RIO so that we know that a vote on that person means the person voting is most likely the holder of the RIO contract. It's a lot of WIFOM, but I see how what you're saying is possible.

Indeed, but you can reveal contracts you *have* held. So Hallucination at an alt, that alt happens to have one of the later choices, that alt is likely town. Hallucinate at an alt with one of the earlier choices, much higher chance of being scum. It's akin to a Finder just on a different metric

Wait, what?

How does being able to reveal a contract you don't have anymore have anything to do with the price of butter? Whoever holds the Hallucination contract can only do a find on someone's CURRENT contract. Not past contracts. You're not making any sense.

Read slowly.

Whoever has Hallucination uses the ability. If the alt they target has an ability that wasn't claimed with the first update (5 contracts claimed) then we can be pretty sure they're town - because scum choose first the result of finding an ability chosen later than the first 5 indicates the alt is town.

Conversely, finding an alt holding a contract that was chosen early doors indicates they are either scum or top placed Town in choice order.

[Korvalain]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 01:56 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 16 hours remain. Registration has finished for the day.

14 players are alive: Anthras, Ay Estos, Demelain, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Tholen, Venesara

8 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote for Hanas (Ay Estos)

PS - you're still missing a vote:

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 08:01 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 26 hours and 54 minutes remain. 8 hours and 54 minutes of registration remain.

14 players are alive: Anthras, Ay Estos, Demelain, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korbas, Korbalain, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Tholen, Venesara

8 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.


No one has voted.

Vote Korbalian

Unless there's a vote blocking ability somewhere? Gonna have to go read up, I guess...

Sigh.

Korbalian =/= Korvalain

Which is rather the point Ven was making

[Korvalain]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

13 of 14 open contracts are now registered, btw.

Did you miss the "18 hours are up, contracts are being resolved" post by PS?

[Anthras]

Not really surprising that no one took Shapeshifting. That could easily be one contract that stays open all game.

[Okaros]

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 01:56 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 16 hours remain. Registration has finished for the day.

14 players are alive: Anthras, Ay Estos, Demelain, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Tholen, Venesara

8 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote for Hanas (Ay Estos)

PS - you're still missing a vote:

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 08:01 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 May 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 26 hours and 54 minutes remain. 8 hours and 54 minutes of registration remain.

14 players are alive: Anthras, Ay Estos, Demelain, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korbas, Korbalain, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Tholen, Venesara

8 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.


No one has voted.

Vote Korbalian

Unless there's a vote blocking ability somewhere? Gonna have to go read up, I guess...

Sigh.

Korbalian =/= Korvalain

Which is rather the point Ven was making

I think it's pretty clear that Venesara was voting for you regardless.

[Okaros]

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

Read slowly.

Whoever has Hallucination uses the ability. If the alt they target has an ability that wasn't claimed with the first update (5 contracts claimed) then we can be pretty sure they're town - because scum choose first the result of finding an ability chosen later than the first 5 indicates the alt is town.

Conversely, finding an alt holding a contract that was chosen early doors indicates they are either scum or top placed Town in choice order.

See, this makes sense as a strategy for the holder of the Hallucination contract. That being said, it has absolutely nothing to do with being able to reveal the contracts you USED to hold, like you said in your previous post on the subject. Don't expect me to just pick and choose the parts of your posts that make sense and ignore everything else. If you don't want to be questioned about something, don't say shit that makes no sense or has no bearing on your argument.

[Ay Estos]

Chances are Hanas is the one who missed on out contracts, and at number 9 he delayed the others getting theirs. Still want to hear from them so won't be removing my vote until they show up. 11 hours until they are modkilled?

[Okaros]

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

GC-817 | Invisibility
Registered
The contractor can turn themself invisible. Clothing and held objects are also affected.
Ability: While you hold this contract, the first ability to target you (in resolution order) each night will fail. You must choose whether to use invisibility or not each night.
Renumeration: Vomiting. You must ignore the first 10 posts of each day (no quoting them, no replying to them or defending against issues raised in them, etc. Treat follow-up posts that are after the first 10 as if they were not following upon anything.)
Relinquish: normal
Fulfillment: none

So do we think that this remuneration is in effect for Day 1 as well? It doesn't look like it was grabbed in the first go, so it's not likely scum that has it... Guess it's a moot point for us unless we want to try to PI whoever has it by cornering them... Though that would likely make them a target for scum.

[Venesara]

Yeah I was. But he is here and lets not be panickity my new made up word, ie it is spelled wrong also

[Venesara]

Kaschan, on 06 May 2014 - 12:49 AM, said:

Checking in. Today was much busier than expected, and game started later, after I've had my free comp time.

Probably won't be on much tonight, but should be available tomorrow.

Remove vote

Vote Kaschan

Only because they said they'd be back.

[Venesara]

Basically I plan on being as aggressively nice as I can. No one sits back, we all give our reads on the game.

[Tholen]

Karatallid, on 06 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

Just checking in. The opening time for the thread coincided with a particularly long sleep/work/sleep/work cycle. I should be around a lot more tomorrow (hopefully).



Granted, Day One we really have nothing to go on with the current level of participation - I get the feeling the contracts speculation might distract us for a short while, which isn't entirely helpful. Scum don't have to keep using the same powers every night, so patterns etc in the killings may not be as reliable as normal, but at the end of the day they have to remove Town. By definition, unless a Town player has a really solid reason to believe someone is Scum, there should be no kills being thrown around that aren't Scum-on-Town. Long story short; we may end up hunting scum with more variable abilities, but Town should still be playing whatever abilities can be picked up for Town; so let's not get bogged down in too much mechanics speculation, eh?

Responding to these as I read, I disagree with the last line here. I think one our best methods for catching scums will be using all ability mechanics in the best way. I see the game as a race to counter their kills with our choosing the right combination of abilities and using them most efficiently. That's a rather obvious suggestion, but true none the less. This is why I say discussion of the mechanics could be most helpful.

[Tholen]

Pran Chole, on 05 May 2014 - 11:06 PM, said:

Ok, I want to be the first to say that Tholen's avatar is hilarious.

Yay! Am I reindeer or elk!

[Korbas]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

Hallucination can verify the contract holder of RIO is who they claim to be, since they probably aren't scum picking that contract so late then they're highly likely to be town. However watch out for the modkill around contracts...

Given we aren't allowed to reveal what contracts we hold, it would all just be conjecture based on where certain people vote the next day, and only work if someone mentions on thread that they've been hit by RIO so that we know that a vote on that person means the person voting is most likely the holder of the RIO contract. It's a lot of WIFOM, but I see how what you're saying is possible.

Are you being purposely dense Okaros? Hallucination: Renumeration: Revealing Secrets. You must divulge on-thread (clearly) the result of any successful night action.

[Tholen]

Pran Chole, on 06 May 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

Well, we're just starting to enter the main time period of most people's posting ability, so we don't need to give up just yet.
Day one lynch will be more random than usual, given "checking in" doesn't tell us much.

You, Aye Estos and Korabas have been the people who have contributed.

You've actually had something to say, Korabas is right IMO about day 1 giving a little information in terms of contracts, but not that much really. D'rek isn't going to give us an actual order, we just know what the first 6 or so, plus the next 3 were. I think we can assume that the last 3-4 were almost certainly town, and the other 3-5 have scum mixed in.

I read a couple posting about the order of contract but did anyone see the actual order of them, especially first? This could be possibly important information for today, so someone share this information for the rest.

[Korbas]

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

Just checking in. The opening time for the thread coincided with a particularly long sleep/work/sleep/work cycle. I should be around a lot more tomorrow (hopefully).



Granted, Day One we really have nothing to go on with the current level of participation - I get the feeling the contracts speculation might distract us for a short while, which isn't entirely helpful. Scum don't have to keep using the same powers every night, so patterns etc in the killings may not be as reliable as normal, but at the end of the day they have to remove Town. By definition, unless a Town player has a really solid reason to believe someone is Scum, there should be no kills being thrown around that aren't Scum-on-Town. Long story short; we may end up hunting scum with more variable abilities, but Town should still be playing whatever abilities can be picked up for Town; so let's not get bogged down in too much mechanics speculation, eh?

Responding to these as I read, I disagree with the last line here. I think one our best methods for catching scums will be using all ability mechanics in the best way. I see the game as a race to counter their kills with our choosing the right combination of abilities and using them most efficiently. That's a rather obvious suggestion, but true none the less. This is why I say discussion of the mechanics could be most helpful.

I agree with Tholen on this subject. We know with as much certainty as is possible that scum are today the holders of 5 contracts. Maybe.

[Okaros]

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

Hallucination can verify the contract holder of RIO is who they claim to be, since they probably aren't scum picking that contract so late then they're highly likely to be town. However watch out for the modkill around contracts...

Given we aren't allowed to reveal what contracts we hold, it would all just be conjecture based on where certain people vote the next day, and only work if someone mentions on thread that they've been hit by RIO so that we know that a vote on that person means the person voting is most likely the holder of the RIO contract. It's a lot of WIFOM, but I see how what you're saying is possible.

Are you being purposely dense Okaros? Hallucination: Renumeration: Revealing Secrets. You must divulge on-thread (clearly) the result of any successful night action.

Yes, I understand that, but no one else can. So no one can say "I hold X contract that was not picked up in the first round of registrations" and have the person with Hallucination do a find on them to confirm this and thus PI them.

[Korbas]

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 06 May 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

Well, we're just starting to enter the main time period of most people's posting ability, so we don't need to give up just yet.
Day one lynch will be more random than usual, given "checking in" doesn't tell us much.

You, Aye Estos and Korabas have been the people who have contributed.

You've actually had something to say, Korabas is right IMO about day 1 giving a little information in terms of contracts, but not that much really. D'rek isn't going to give us an actual order, we just know what the first 6 or so, plus the next 3 were. I think we can assume that the last 3-4 were almost certainly town, and the other 3-5 have scum mixed in.

I read a couple posting about the order of contract but did anyone see the actual order of them, especially first? This could be possibly important information for today, so someone share this information for the rest.

I posted the registered ones as soon as I realized that some were registered. 5 of them iirc.

[Ay Estos]

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

Hallucination can verify the contract holder of RIO is who they claim to be, since they probably aren't scum picking that contract so late then they're highly likely to be town. However watch out for the modkill around contracts...

Given we aren't allowed to reveal what contracts we hold, it would all just be conjecture based on where certain people vote the next day, and only work if someone mentions on thread that they've been hit by RIO so that we know that a vote on that person means the person voting is most likely the holder of the RIO contract. It's a lot of WIFOM, but I see how what you're saying is possible.

Are you being purposely dense Okaros? Hallucination: Renumeration: Revealing Secrets. You must divulge on-thread (clearly) the result of any successful night action.

There was a special notice on reveals put in the thread i think some point after the rest

Quote

Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

While you are correct that you are explicitly commanded to reveal the night find results, it is not unreasonable to be a little confused between those instructions.

[Tholen]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

GC-817 | Invisibility
Registered
The contractor can turn themself invisible. Clothing and held objects are also affected.
Ability: While you hold this contract, the first ability to target you (in resolution order) each night will fail. You must choose whether to use invisibility or not each night.
Renumeration: Vomiting. You must ignore the first 10 posts of each day (no quoting them, no replying to them or defending against issues raised in them, etc. Treat follow-up posts that are after the first 10 as if they were not following upon anything.)
Relinquish: normal
Fulfillment: none

So do we think that this remuneration is in effect for Day 1 as well? It doesn't look like it was grabbed in the first go, so it's not likely scum that has it... Guess it's a moot point for us unless we want to try to PI whoever has it by cornering them... Though that would likely make them a target for scum.

Most likely for the day after each night they choose to use it.