Anthras, on 08 May 2014 - 11:19 PM, said:
Korbas, on 08 May 2014 - 11:05 PM, said:
Anthras, on 08 May 2014 - 10:47 PM, said:
Demelain that is a great plan. There is just one little wrinkle the fact that if your scum you can kill 3 people tonight. So yeah when you take that into account I don't see how town can afford to let you live.
Here's a wrinkle for you assessment.
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Renumeration: The player must proclaim themselves on-thread, in bold, to be the world's greatest magician. From there-on they must roleplay on-thread and in PMs as being an eccentric and insane magician to a significant degree, though this does not mean they can't be helpful to the thread and their faction."
Why would scum reveal this early? There's not a thing in there that says they have to declare at any given time. Given that scum know each other and Magic has 2 kills why would a scum not just wait until 2 minutes before EoD/lynch to declare? Demelain has been such a low poster that he could easily have gotten away with that.
There is that. I am aware of the announcement requirement. Did you miss the spot where I quoted it and underlined it?
Regardless don't you find it suspicious that a player who people suspect as possible scum got that ability. Obviously they had a higher spot then say okaros who stated that he went for it.
If I went for it you would lynch me.
Well yes because you're already a dubious case. Anyone but Okaros is suspect. Agreed on suspect, I need to do a re-read of Demelain.
Demelain, on 09 May 2014 - 05:39 AM, said:
Good morrow my friends.
An update:
My morning was quite extravagant. Sent I three pidgeons aloft.
I have to hear from two but a third did return with interesting twist in our plot.
Pidgey:
Coo! coocoo!
(Riddle me this, Riddle me that?)
Pidgey:
Coo coo cooo co co! coocoo!
(upon whom dost thou suspect a malicious act?)
Well friends I do say
the pidgeon in sway highlights a fact most now have forgot.
I am happily lynched if this is towns choice but from towns mouth I offer this thought?
I am known town, my powers pending sundown who truly fears this arduous lot?
Pidgeoy: Coo coo coo?
Indeed Pidgeon! Dost I agree! Scum will truly push for my lynch most happily!
3 town in support of a lynch, upon me I can see in a pinch.
Players with clear and capable ability.
Devise amongst youselves PI tenacity.
2 scum (or a third) will push just as hard.
My suspicion, towns game is now scarred.
Now should I be lynched I and my pidgeon suspect!
a treachourous scum epithet.
...
Now off to work I must go.
I fear my day will not go slow.
I shall respond as I can best
but it shall be a true test.
So adieeu, humble I this admission
Please consider my Pidgeys suspicions
Ye gods.
So Demelain is claiming to have 3 pigeons out which can only mean one thing - he has opened lover convos to alts. From the Contract spec that can onle be some of:
Hentos, Karatallid, Korvalain, Okaros, Pran Chole, Venesara.
Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 05:54 AM, said:
What contract did you drop Demelain? You can say that
Demonstrates lack of reading ability on the reveal post (possibly alcohol induced)
Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:44 PM, said:
Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.
Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.
Venesara, on 09 May 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:
I don't know who to trust other than Okaros.
Korbas it's a fact that the high posters were killed day one leaving you to flap away and potentially lead the thread and town way of thinking.
Anthras is mutually exclusive to you. In my head one of you is Scum.
Hentos Ilm is awol and I think he would have been someone else I could listen to but he has been absent so far today.
Demelain. Would scum be that brazen to drop one kill and pick up 3?
What else could scum have picked up.
Drop one, pick up two actually. I can believe the brazen however I struggle with the timing.
Were I scum going for the Magic contract I'd have posted a moderate amount through the first 18 hours, hold up the selection process as long as I could so that once I submit everyone elses go through in a rush and there is no information about exchange order to work from, then after submitting go silent. No posts at all until as close to modkill as possible. We've had a few long time silent players - including Pran yesterday with his possession so we'd have been split between a few alts that haven't been on thread to publicly admit it. Karatallid too for instance. That's how scum should play it. Demelain hasn't done that.
Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 07:04 AM, said:
I already said up thread. Night one I tried Ay Estos because I figured he was scum and I wanted the protection that came from "players you have lover connections with cannot toarget you for ight actions."
Night two I picked Rhyllandaras. I wanted to have a conversation about the game and get out a particular piece of information that I could only share via lover connection. Again, hard to talk to corpeses.
So I relinquished the contract. Still don't have one, which leads me to believe that I'm way down the list today.
There's nothing in the rules that says you can't lie about which contract you've relinquished is there? Because if you replace Hormonal with Blood-Induced Matter Transportation that works too.
Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 07:18 AM, said:
Demelain has magic. If he didn't, he'd have been modkilled for claiming that he had it.
Okaros wanted Magic. Okaros was townie without a contract, so his order in the registrant list was higher than mine even though I relinquished. Because the list was (according to the the rules as stated) was made before I relinquished.
Therefore the odds that Demelain is town and drew a lower numer than Okaros are thin. The more likely position is that Demelain is scum and therefore got to choose before town.
Actually, would he have been modkilled? Just for use of bold text and for being obscure? We have seen a few contracts relinquished today, the pool of town to draw first may be reasonably sizeable. I'll try and look into this soon.
Venesara, on 09 May 2014 - 07:23 AM, said:
Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:
Anthras is scummy as hell. Hisidea to have chronomaster target the lynchee would fail utterly. Chrono can only reverse the results of night actions. Lynching is not a night action
But elimnatiing magic has to be our priority. Sure if we knew town ahd it, we'd be golden. but we can't be sure.
See that you understand about chrono. Would scum kill one of their own?
A confirmed scum returned to thread would force us to either lynch them or NA them every Day/Night cycle. It'd be a slower way of winning but workable. The way to counter would be to RIO them so that Chrono has to guess if it was a RIO or a straight NK that took them out and resurrect on the correct day.
Venesara, on 09 May 2014 - 07:28 AM, said:
Korbas, on 09 May 2014 - 07:21 AM, said:
So pull your head out of your ass and vote demelain. Or come up with a damn good reason why he should be trusted when he claims town. At least I think he claimed town. That poetyr nonsense is nonsense.
You can register a contract?
Pick the one that splits, put Anthras me Demelain in one group. I cannot be killed and dem cannot target you.
Let's damage limitation asap
Nice call. However I am struggling as to why Demelain cannot target Korbas?
Venesara, on 09 May 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:
Korbas.
Karatallid, Anthras, Tholen, Dem and I
On one side.
The rest on yours. We get to lynch a scummy player and dem can clear up other scummy players because I cannot die
Ven also claims cannot die.
There's only one BP.
Venesara, on 09 May 2014 - 07:36 AM, said:
It has to be the list I've just said. That way Anthras, Karatallid or Tholen gets lynched and 2 of them die by dem
Pran Chole, on 09 May 2014 - 07:51 AM, said:
Another reason we can't let a magician live is because all it would take is for scum to grab Possession and take over whatever townie has it. I know pos. is lying open now, but someone is going to snap it up, and we can't trust that that person will be town...
I'll hark back to this post:
Korbas, on 05 May 2014 - 09:06 PM, said:
Unless we're willing to assume 6 scum, that means we can get Rupture Internal Organs and keep it out of scum hands. And, with Hallucination, we can PI the holder? Possession being the wild card. I've updated my list.
Korbas, why did you think Possession was a wild card? It's a scummy role if ever there was one given the control it gives over the alt.
Pran, can you discuss what target was submitted for your NA without giving away the Contract?
Hentos Ilm, on 09 May 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:
In addition, a guard is currently registered. That would take 1 kill away from the mage as it is the top of the list ability.
I am grasping at straws here, but the thing is, I feel like the "lynch the mage" game is in the long term to the detriment of town.
Scum seems to be doing decently without it, judging by the amount of kills, so why would they risk grabbing a "win now" button that can just as easily end in losing a guy, which means losing a killing action?
It's complete and utter wifom and I don't like Demelain much more now than I did yesterday, BUT unless a scum didn't get the ability they wanted or it proved to be less useful to them than expected, why would they change out of the first choice they got?
Hentos raises a good point too; we can impact the Magic abilities simply because he had to own up on thread.
However, Hentos.
Demelain, on 08 May 2014 - 10:29 PM, said:
Indeed I am The holder of the vig most imboldered
day two wasit relinquished to me.
Doubt me thy will. I wish you no ill
But please hear first my schemery.
My firstmost desire I did most aspire
To hold the vig quite early on.
Failed this did I, to much my chagrin
but still I was keen to set on!
Unpicked was my power till such second hour
and set I for the vig with a flourish.
Relinquished it was, so along came I
to grab it and hold it mine hostage
Now use it I didn't denying scum finish.
a second murderous plot.
Now relinquish it still no scum would then steal
this most obvious power I thought.
Allow me to use it and we now have won.
Lynch me and scum take the game
After me two more town and most likely more down
this game will then come to an end.
Claims to have gone for the Vig for Day 1 (Vig was active and killed town) but didn't get it.
Blue: Claims got the Vig Day 2 (Possible, if scum dropped and went for a new contract and Dem dropped to be top of town list)
Red: Says didn't use it Night 2 (no Vig kill but previous Vig holder had no action so hard to be sure)
This is potentially useful information to look at the Day 2 contract choices with. Based on this claim I'd suspect Hentos as holding the Vig on Day 1, getting the Chronos Day 2 and resurrecting Okaros to PI themselves.
Putting aside Hentos for a moment, we have a live Magic contract. We have to deal with it somehow.
I would suggest based on the already aired suggestion that we do indeed split the thread into two groups. That we place Demelain in one group. That we hold Demelain in that group for the remainder of the game. If he is scum he cannot NK and still has to use 4 actions a night giving a lifespan of 4 nights (past endgame I'm sure.)
Or, put all the most suspicious alts in there and we not lynch in the other half of thread and wait to see who comes out alive. Demelain has 3 BPs a night so will be the only survivor if other scum are in there. We can then drop the wall and lynch Demelain.
What do people think of curtaining a potential scum off from all NA activity?
For the tactic I highlighted above,
Vote Hentos Ilm
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