[Okaros]

Korabas, on 24 March 2014 - 06:25 PM, said:

Okaros, on 24 March 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

Korabas, on 24 March 2014 - 06:02 PM, said:

I think Okaros warrants a closer look, and that's where I'll be concentrating my efforts today, I think.

lol OMGUS much?

If you are seriously trying to turn the spotlight on me when we have SEVERAL suspicious targets like Denul, Alkend, Kesso, and Tiam...well, I don't know what to tell you except you are wasting your time on what is probably the day before D-Day.

I figure at this point, having people looking closely at all remaining players is not a bad thing. Perhaps it's OMGUS, but I think there's merit to looking at you a little closer, so that's what I'll do. Tiam has already said he was gonna look at Kesso and Alkend, you've said you're suspicious of me and Tiam, so that basically leaves Denul and Eloth as other potential suspects. I had a look at Eloth when I was reading up before dropping my vote, and he didn't strike me as particularly scummy, but that could change upon closer inspection. For now, I'll look closer at you, then if that doesn't pan out, I'll move on to Denul and Eloth.

Ok, fair enough. I can't disagree with your logic there. With the day just starting this also makes looking at everyone a better idea than if we had a few hours left (obviously). At this point I think I am actually going to look at Denul first, when I have the time, since my suspicions of Tiam have been laid out on thread already a bit.

[Okaros]

Denul, on 24 March 2014 - 06:30 PM, said:

I have been around checking thread. I am at work so have to pick my spots to post. I was around to switch if it was needed. I just couldn't sit around and F5 and post.

Ok. A post saying this before the lynch would be proof and support this a lot more, even if it is probably true cause RL sucks. Just saying.

[Denul]

The more I look at how the vote went down, the more I am re-suspicious of Okaros. I was on him early when he overreacted to the case on him, and he has just kind of hung around. I had put it off to 2 innos bickering, but I will have to reevaluate that.

There has to be some credence given to Beks thoughts before he was killed. This puts Tiam up there for me as well. I could get behind a vote for him.

Kesso is an enigma, and is one of the people I worried about making it to end game. He has seemed to come on and post in spurts, and I can't really fault that as thats the exact way I have been posting. I will say this. If we as a group are thinking Kesso, it is better today than tomorrow. I loathe having to make a D-day decision when a non contributor is in the mix. (yeah yeah, same can be said of me.)

Alkend has been on my nuts all game and I am on the fence about him. he had the squirrely behavior at the end of the GL non lynch. That shouldn't be forgotten. But he has been stubborn in coming after me. He is wrong, but the tenacity isn't something that scum usually do, so I am leaning town for him at the moment.

Korabas and Eloth are unknowns for me and I wouldn't be surprised if one or the other is scum. My senses are usually pretty off when it comes to that sort of thing though, so I will chalk them up to unknown.

[Denul]

Okaros, on 24 March 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:

Denul, on 24 March 2014 - 06:30 PM, said:

I have been around checking thread. I am at work so have to pick my spots to post. I was around to switch if it was needed. I just couldn't sit around and F5 and post.

Ok. A post saying this before the lynch would be proof and support this a lot more, even if it is probably true cause RL sucks. Just saying.

I said 2 hours before the lynch that I would be around to switch. I wasn't needed so I didn't post. I don't have to prove anything. Even if I did make the post you say I should have made, what would it prove? That I was around? Not sure what that shows one way or the other.

[Tiamatha]

So I have gone back over Kesso's posts. I am putting them all here because there are only 14. He has pushed a modkill twice that I could see. Of course since he has hardly been under any pressure he has just been able to get on and most to avoid being modkilled. Then he isn't heard from for another 30 hours. He built a case on GL (before GL revealed) then voted for locke. That being the only lynch train that he has been on. I could see him being either a totally uninterested towny or a serious low posting scum who is posting just enough to not be modkilled.

Now to take a look at Alkend.

Kessobahn, on 12 March 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

Checking in

Kessobahn, on 13 March 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

Wtf? I open my phone to see a modkillable post? Totally uncool man.

Kessobahn, on 13 March 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

List

Kessobahn, on 13 March 2014 - 07:25 PM, said:

So this is where a claw is mentioned, but I remember this as actually being a part of the book, so it's possible this is just flavor, and/or Lock knows something we don't. It's only put up as a possibly, and WJ is skeptical, and also

Spoiler

Sorry isn't a claw, she's possessed,

so no claw there. I'm leaning towards Lock knowing something we don't. And for a day one case, this is better than nothing.

Vote Lock

Kessobahn, on 14 March 2014 - 08:59 PM, said:

Personally, I feel like either A) Bek is scum trying to seem helpful but with a lot of holes in his case, and Okaros is legitimately trying to counter it and show that Bek is scummy due to his case, Okaros is jumpy scum, or C) two overeager, aggressive townies chomping at the bit to catch scum. I'm honestly not sure which one to go with yet, after seeing each of these three possibilities fulfilled in other games (See Espers for A).

Kessobahn, on 14 March 2014 - 09:02 PM, said:

Totally agree with you, Amp. Just reading over how the voting happened, there wasn't any swing, and it just kind of seemed like a resigned piling on of votes to get a lynch, as opposed to scum quickly building up a train in the final minutes to get a lynch. Of course, as you say, there could be scum on that train, but there's nothing to suggest that its any more likely than your average lynch train.

Kessobahn, on 18 March 2014 - 02:45 PM, said:

Ok, I'm back and partially read up. I won't vote Okaros or Bek (at least today) because I think the way their argument has progressed has me leaning towards the scenario that they're both townies who simply had a disagreement, not that either of them is scum. Now I'll be reading up on the Eloth and Denul trains.

Kessobahn, on 18 March 2014 - 03:06 PM, said:

All right, I'm read up fully now and honestly, neither the Denul or Eloth cases have much basis. As I understand it, Denul's is based on him being a low poster, then jumping in posts to be a medium posters over a short period of time. I've actually done this multiple times, with no correlation to my alignment, and have gotten flak for being scummy because of it each time. So I think the whole "jumping in post count" scum tell is less accurate than we think. Eloth's case actually seems to have basis only in the fact that he's being a low poster, and it's ironically posted by another relatively low poster. Now, as someone who rarely is anywhere near the top in post count, I can't really vote on the basis of low posting. Of course Galayn Lord, who voted Eloth, has a bit of an odd post where he outlines his suspicions before voting, which I just want to post here:


So GL puts suspicion on four separate people, out of the remaining 13, which many people believe is the number of scum. Of course, since I'm on that list, and I know for a fact I'm town, it seems to me like GL is setting up possible compromise lynch targets for the rest of the game. Who would put four different targets out there as suspicious, but instead of exploring each of them (he doesn't even quote mine and Amp's so called "dodgy language"), he goes on to vote Eloth for simply being a low poster. That doesn't sit right with me. If Amp, Tiam and myself are all suspicious due to actual evidence, then why go after Eloth, who's only sin is being a low poster? I don't like this post, seems too much like scum setting up targets so he can vote them later in the game without garnering suspicion. I know this evidence isn't particularly strong, but the post itself has my gut scumdar going crazy.

I'm going to be clear here, this is not an OMGUS vote, but a vote based on gut and this post which doesn't sit right with me.

Vote Galayn Lord.

Kessobahn, on 18 March 2014 - 10:54 PM, said:

Well that was an interesting end to the day. So GL is PI, Alkend is either paranoid town or scum so desperate to seem town that he actually seems scummy. I'm going to go reread the Alkend case posted earlier to see where it's coming from right now. I'm honestly not sure who to look for right now, but I'll be reading up more and trying to make some sense of this game.

Kessobahn, on 18 March 2014 - 11:01 PM, said:

Alkend, on 18 March 2014 - 10:35 PM, said:

GL, you are an idiot. Why would I openly disbelieve and kill Kilava anyways? Smart scumwould have kept them around.

Unless of course they felt fiddler was a finder, in which case your reveal was the dumbest fucking thing ever.

NK analysis is WIFOM. You could have disbelieved and killed Kilava so you could avoid suspicion because it's so suspicious that no scum would do it, or just tried to avoid suspicion in the first place by not disbelieving or disbelieving and not killing Kilava. Either way is possible, so the argument itself doesn't really matter. This is just a pissing match at this point.

Kessobahn, on 20 March 2014 - 08:25 PM, said:

So sorry ive been close to modkill. Nice catch on scum! I'll be reading up now and try to contribute some more. School just started up again and its really hectic

[Okaros]

Denul, on 24 March 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

The more I look at how the vote went down, the more I am re-suspicious of Okaros. I was on him early when he overreacted to the case on him, and he has just kind of hung around. I had put it off to 2 innos bickering, but I will have to reevaluate that.

There has to be some credence given to Beks thoughts before he was killed. This puts Tiam up there for me as well. I could get behind a vote for him.

Kesso is an enigma, and is one of the people I worried about making it to end game. He has seemed to come on and post in spurts, and I can't really fault that as thats the exact way I have been posting. I will say this. If we as a group are thinking Kesso, it is better today than tomorrow. I loathe having to make a D-day decision when a non contributor is in the mix. (yeah yeah, same can be said of me.)

Alkend has been on my nuts all game and I am on the fence about him. he had the squirrely behavior at the end of the GL non lynch. That shouldn't be forgotten. But he has been stubborn in coming after me. He is wrong, but the tenacity isn't something that scum usually do, so I am leaning town for him at the moment.

Korabas and Eloth are unknowns for me and I wouldn't be surprised if one or the other is scum. My senses are usually pretty off when it comes to that sort of thing though, so I will chalk them up to unknown.

Denul, on 24 March 2014 - 06:53 PM, said:

Okaros, on 24 March 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:

Denul, on 24 March 2014 - 06:30 PM, said:

I have been around checking thread. I am at work so have to pick my spots to post. I was around to switch if it was needed. I just couldn't sit around and F5 and post.

Ok. A post saying this before the lynch would be proof and support this a lot more, even if it is probably true cause RL sucks. Just saying.

I said 2 hours before the lynch that I would be around to switch. I wasn't needed so I didn't post. I don't have to prove anything. Even if I did make the post you say I should have made, what would it prove? That I was around? Not sure what that shows one way or the other.

It would prove you were telling the truth when you said you would be around before timeout. That's all. Because you didn't post, there can be no proof either way. You could have been lurking as you said or you may not have been around at all. That was my only point - it would have proven that you did what you said, rather than us assuming you did it.

[Okaros]

Sorry, didn't mean to include this quote in previous post....

Okaros, on 24 March 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

Denul, on 24 March 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

The more I look at how the vote went down, the more I am re-suspicious of Okaros. I was on him early when he overreacted to the case on him, and he has just kind of hung around. I had put it off to 2 innos bickering, but I will have to reevaluate that.

<snip>

Sorry but I am laughing pretty hard right now. How the vote went down? I didn't vote, dawg. In fact, when I showed up an hour and a half before timeout, I said I was waiting to vote because I did not like the way the lynch trains looked at the moment. Then there was a steamroll onto Bek. Please, I beg you, analyze the vote on Bek and come up with something that makes me look like scum. This is so dumb and we have played terribly this game. God forbid we waste more time... -_-

[Okaros]

God DAMMIT I hate fucking up player names. Above, replace Bek with OL.

[Okaros]

Also, " he has just kind of hung around"?!?!?!?!?!?

IS THIS A FUCKING JOKE

I HAVE TWICE AS MANY POSTS AS THE NEXT PLAYER IN THE FUCKING GAME

CALL IT POST PADDING OR WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT BUT NO ONE HAS BEEN AS ACTIVE AS I HAVE OVER THE COURSE OF THE GAME SO GET THE FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT

Mother of God. If it wasn't so OMGUS right now I'd just vote you. Instead I will wait till I can reread your posts properly or other people show up with their thoughts.

[Okaros]

I'm sorry, I just can't let this dumb shit go, it has to be addressed:

Denul, on 24 March 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

The more I look at how the vote went down, the more I am re-suspicious of Okaros. I was on him early when he overreacted to the case on him, and he has just kind of hung around. I had put it off to 2 innos bickering, but I will have to reevaluate that.

There has to be some credence given to Beks thoughts before he was killed. This puts Tiam up there for me as well. I could get behind a vote for him.

Kesso is an enigma, and is one of the people I worried about making it to end game. He has seemed to come on and post in spurts, and I can't really fault that as thats the exact way I have been posting. I will say this. If we as a group are thinking Kesso, it is better today than tomorrow. I loathe having to make a D-day decision when a non contributor is in the mix. (yeah yeah, same can be said of me.)

Alkend has been on my nuts all game and I am on the fence about him. he had the squirrely behavior at the end of the GL non lynch. That shouldn't be forgotten. But he has been stubborn in coming after me. He is wrong, but the tenacity isn't something that scum usually do, so I am leaning town for him at the moment.

Korabas and Eloth are unknowns for me and I wouldn't be surprised if one or the other is scum. My senses are usually pretty off when it comes to that sort of thing though, so I will chalk them up to unknown.

Ok really, so you are saying we should take Bek's thoughts into careful consideration but you're suspicious of me because of a lynch I did not vote for. You even say you're willing to vote Tiam based on Bek's thoughts. Let's take a look at Bek's last real post:

Bek Okhan, on 24 March 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

I think Denul might well be scum because that's a drive-by vote combined with Tiam has a town vibe! elements.
I don't like Tiam any more than I did before and Okaros worded perfectly why, and Korabas got the OL-Alkend thing wrong. Incidentally , Gusty's list was MO/Tiam/Korabas. I think he'll be 2/3 right, at the least.
Kesso.... Is it bad that I hope for a modkill?

My priority for tomorrow is Tiam, secondary target is Denul.

Bek AGREES with ME about Tiam and thinks YOU ARE FUCKING SCUM. How much do you agree with Bek now, bitch?

[Tiamatha]

I am taking off. Okaros what do you think about Kesso?

[Okaros]

Tiamatha, on 24 March 2014 - 09:19 PM, said:

I am taking off. Okaros what do you think about Kesso?

I think he's either a terrible RI or a really fucking scummy low-poster. My problems with Kesso:

Of course, his lack of both posts and content. Nothing significant from him almost ever and he's never around. Strike 1.

He sorta throws info out there when you aren't looking. For instance, one of the few clear things he says is that the spat between me and Bek seemed like two townies fighting it out - this actually turned out to be true, as I learned when Bek died. So he was right about that. Could have been discerning play, but that does not line up with the Kesso we know this game. He also looks at the Denul and Eloth cases and dismisses the Denul case. Why? Doesn't go into reasons but instead votes GL at the risk of looking OMGUS, and turns out GL fires up and lays out the whole thread before he gets lynched. So Kesso has been RIGHT in areas where it makes him look good and WRONG in areas where it could be marked up to bad or scummy play by a townie.

So I don't like Kesso at all. It sucks if he's a low-posting townie, but fuck that, at least both you and GL manned up when you were called on it. Tiam, I have gone back and forth on you all game, especially after alting you, so I am not sure what to do with you right now. I can't clear you but in the you/Denul/Kesso mix, I am willing to go for Denul or Kesso before you at this point. I'd like to hear what others have to say as well though.

[Okaros]

Tiamatha, on 24 March 2014 - 09:19 PM, said:

I am taking off. Okaros what do you think about Kesso?

If you have time before you leave - in the same vein, what do you think about Denul?

[Eloth]

Hey all, I'm finally back. But it's now 2:30am where I am, so I won't be sticking up tons of posts. I'm afraid that it's going to be like this for me the whole week most likely.

My suspicion which I mentioned when I voted Tiamatha was Okral Lom, so good/bad that I didn't voice that at the time, not that it made any difference.



I have to congratulate Okaros and Tiam for the work being put in, this is some good stuff. As I said after Monok was lynched, I'd suspect that torch might pass on to another low poster, and no one fits the Monok bill more than Kessobahn, so I'm happy to vote there. Equally, what Okaros has countered with against Denul, the weakness of Denul's supposed suspicion of Okaros, suddenly makes him a strong suspect for me too.


At the same time, I have to wonder if the Okral train was in part scum resistance to voting for Tiamatha. No, actually, I don't think that flies. We could have, what, one symp at the most WCS? The pile-on to Okral can't be explained by that - and anyway, I too had my suspicions about Okral as I said above.


Still too many potential scum for me.

[Eloth]

Ok, from what I've been working out, at least one of Kessobahn, Korabas, and Tiamatha is either a killer or a killer-in-waiting.


I don't think we need to bother with Kessobahn. They're past the modkill limit.


So that leaves Korabas and Tiamatha for me. Note I said killer-in-waiting as well as killer. Which means even if one of these is scum, they might not be the current killer. Though that doesn't ultimately make any difference to us.

[Path-Shaper]

Tayschrenn was distraught. He had seen this coming. He was going to advocate it himself. He could not do anything about it now. He wanted to say something but he just did not have the time. Other problems got in the way. He had called various other High Mage's to come and take his place. To no avail. His last words hung in the air..

Kessobahn, on 20 March 2014 - 08:25 PM, said:

So sorry ive been close to modkill. Nice catch on scum! I'll be reading up now and try to contribute some more. School just started up again and its really hectic

Now Dujek. Dead because he was not there to say anything. To relieve pressure, to look elsewhere. He placed the loop over his head. He had said the rituals. He kicked the school and Hood came to greet him.

Kessobahn has been Modkilled, the hammer of death striking home with deep regret, he was Tayschrenn, Azathmaster and Town



It is day six: 21 Hours 10 minutes remaining

6 players still alive; Alkend, Denul, Eloth, Korabas, Okaros, Tiamatha,

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to night



Players not voted; Alkend, Denul, Eloth, Kessobahn, Korabas, Okaros, Tiamatha,

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 25 March 2014 - 08:18 AM

[Alkend]

Wow, didn't realize we'd started up, and I missed a ton of shit goin' down. Not terribly sorry I started the lynch that got OL lynched, considering that they probably would have been modkilled along with Kesso anyways.

I thought I'd want to vote Denul right away, and will probably regret not pushing it again today, but damn, if that post by Tiam going after Kesso isn't scummy in light of his CF, I don't know what is. That modkill might end up being a boon to town, if Tiam is scum. Starting a case on a low poster unlikely to show up and defend themselves, when Tiam themself is at the top of many a list suddenly?

Damn.

So that's where I am. I wanna vote Tiam or Denul, but instead of starting the thread train like I did yesterday (especially since we risk a scum pile-on this late in the game), I want to hear other peoples thoughts before I lay my vote.

edit: changed thread to train

This post has been edited by Alkend: 25 March 2014 - 09:38 AM

[Alkend]

Eloth, on 25 March 2014 - 01:49 AM, said:

Ok, from what I've been working out, at least one of Kessobahn, Korabas, and Tiamatha is either a killer or a killer-in-waiting.


I don't think we need to bother with Kessobahn. They're past the modkill limit.


So that leaves Korabas and Tiamatha for me. Note I said killer-in-waiting as well as killer. Which means even if one of these is scum, they might not be the current killer. Though that doesn't ultimately make any difference to us.

Huh, I've sort of forgotten about Korabas AND Eloth. I can't even remember what trains you guys were on, so I'm gonna go back and look.

[Alkend]

Eloth, on 19 March 2014 - 06:39 PM, said:

Of the three currently with votes on them, I would instinctively be more disposed to vote Kessobahn. Monok simply doesn't strike me as scum, though admittedly I think that about ultra low posters as a rule (and have been stung by that a couple of times). With Tiam it's slightly trickier, though I do think the actual case is not the strongest. I will have to read up on Kesso before making a decision.

Part of the problem I have with the current case is that it seems to be based on Kesso being symped by Denul. However, I like Bek's reasoning for why there may be no scum symps (though I do not agree with the triple killers conclusion). I have my own thoughts on the possible mechanics, but I have no proof either way, so I won't muddy the thread with them.

Eloth, on 20 March 2014 - 01:12 AM, said:

No, I don't like the reasoning for Kesso, having read over his posts. It doesn't convince me enough to vote there when I have stronger feelings over a couple of others.

I know there's no way to know with any certainty, but I do feel the chances are higher that the kill was changed to Kilava after the reveal shenanigans. Meaning the killer was around. Of those who were around and posting, Ampelas strikes me as the most scum-worthy, for reasons I've outlined already.

On the other hand, there's Korabas. Korabas had said that he would be online around timeout, a little before switching his vote from Okaros to GL. After informing us a couple of times that time is running short, we don't hear from him again on day 2. About an hour or so later, GL does his reveal. Korabas only appears again today to vote Tiamatha, who had been mooted alongside Monok.
Is it possible that Korabas simply wasn't around at timeout even though they seemed to suggest that they would be? Yes, the time difference between their last post and GL's reveal is great enough to make that a plausible possibility.

Hmm, I'll have to go with a suspicion I've already outlined.

Vote Ampelas

I won't be around again before time runs out on this day I'm afraid, so my vote is sticking there.

Path-Shaper, on 20 March 2014 - 10:29 AM, said:

It is day three: 0 minutes remaining

12 players still alive; Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korabas, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Okral Lom, Tiamatha,

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to night



2 Votes for Kessobahn; (Alkend, Denul)
4 Votes for Monok Ochem; (Galayn Lord, Okaros, Bek Okhan, Ampelas)
1 Vote for Tiamatha; (Korabas)
1 Vote for Ampelas; (Eloth)




Players not voted; Kessobahn, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Tiamatha


Adjunct Lorn arrived at the city of Pale. She knew how precarious things were in the city. Being an extension of Laseen's will she will be seen as a threat to her friends and a threat to her enemies. She knows she is not safe but she knows if she does not act then the threat will grow. She goes in search of Ganoes and Toc the Younger.

Tayschrenn feels queasy. Otataral was ever his weakness, he cannot stand the stuff but if the empress wills it, he will obey. He knows she is here to help find the cursed assassin but that does not mean he has to like it.

Tattersail feels some guilt and is a little uneasy, last night she was on her guard against any threat but tonight she will lay down her guard to try and find Sorry. She prepares her cards and sits down to meditate. She will be focused.

Sorry has been working hard on her new weapon of choice. She started with a rope, early in the day, and threaded razor wire straight through the middle and along the length. She made it work by tearing away a lot of the rope near the center. She plans to cut off a head. She is getting so sick of this stabbing, the quiet pull of the skin as it parts way for one of her tools.

The day goes on and Ganoes has been brooding for a lot of it, brooding and drinking. Toc and Dujek have been helping him along, by passing around their drink without much words. Adjunct Lorn storms into the room, it has taken her a lot of the day just to find them and it leaves her with no time to organize things the way she wants. After finding the three of them like this, she accepts the inevitable and joins them in a drink for the memory of their friends.


No one is lynched.

During the lead up to this non-lynch, Eloth doesn't like an MO vote, Korabas votes Tiam (for the second day in a row), and Tiam bitches at people about how he said he was going to be a low poster goshdarnit.

[Alkend]

Path-Shaper, on 20 March 2014 - 08:11 PM, said:

It is day four: 0 minutes remaining

11 players still alive; Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Kessobahn, Korabas, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Okral Lom, Tiamatha,

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to night

6 Votes for Monok Ochem; (Bek Okhan, Korabas, Alkend, Tiamatha, Eloth, Denul)


Players not voted; Ampelas, Kessobahn, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Okral Lom,

Pretty ballsy if Korabas is scum. His vote made this an actual train and he didn't really mince words or even threaten to back out for something else/better. Now Eloth and Denul could be scum and joining simply because by that point it seems pretty inevitable and could be distancing. That applies to a lesser extent to Tiam as well.