[Alkend]

Tiamatha, on 24 March 2014 - 12:31 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 21 March 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

So nice of you to react to the content instead of the form of the message.

vote Tiamatha

For trying to derail every single discussion of himself or scum in general into a shouting match that people will ignore.
If you were town, you'd offer defense on content.

I have offered defense on content you just are choosing to ignore it. Which is funny since you responded to the post where I defended myself. Which I shall now respost.

Vote Bek

Korabas, on 24 March 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

It's difficult to make any decisions when over half the people who are still playing have very few posts over the last little while.

I'm willing to believe that both Tiamatha and Bek Okhan are town for now, but that doesn't leave me with much else to go on.

Denul, on 24 March 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

Whew, made it in time... Of the three up for lynch right now I really don't have a good feel. I haven't payed nearly enough attention to this game.

vote okaral lom

I was going to vote tiam, as I have had suspicions on him early, but as he posts more, I get a more town vibe. That being said, if it's between him and no lynch, ill vote tiam. I don't give much credence to the Bek vote as it looks pretty omgus at this point.


I am in phone, please count vote if it doesn't bold. I am headed back to work, barring anything popping up, I should be around to switch my vote.

Edit: tried to fix bold

Tiamatha, on 24 March 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

Korabas, on 24 March 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Well we've got just under 2 hours left until timeout. Gonna have to make a decision soon if we have any hopes of actually getting a lynch today.

Shit your right.

Well I am not going to vote for myself and since we need a lynch.

Remove vote

Vote Okral Lom

Bek-Tapps doesn't like Tiam, but what is weird is (to me) based on the MO-HO vote, Bec should be pretty much PI'd there, yet Tiam votes him.

For the second day in a row, Denul tags onto my vote. It's like he's doing it to mock me, and that sends it out into lynch train territory. Tiam only switches when he realizes what time it is.

[Alkend]

Tiamatha, on 24 March 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:

Okaros, on 24 March 2014 - 05:39 PM, said:

Korabas, on 24 March 2014 - 05:37 PM, said:

Okaros, on 24 March 2014 - 05:28 PM, said:

Also what's the deal with this?

Tiamatha, on 24 March 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

Korabas, on 24 March 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Well we've got just under 2 hours left until timeout. Gonna have to make a decision soon if we have any hopes of actually getting a lynch today.

Shit your right.

Well I am not going to vote for myself and since we need a lynch.

Remove vote

Vote Okral Lom

Korabas, on 24 March 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

In the interest of getting a lynch today, and, thus, giving us something to look into if he turns out to be scum:

vote Okral Lom

At least if he comes up scum, we'll have a little more to go on then Monok's 'posts'

Tiam is all over Bek and Kesso until Korabas points out the time on the clock, then Tiam switches to OL and Korabas follows Tiam's vote less than ten minutes later.

I'm not going to speculate too much on mechanics but I would not be surprised if the "three killer" scenario turned into a normal paired-killer role after one of them died...meaning comms. This possibility and the above interaction makes Korabas next on my list after Tiam.

So what you're saying is that Tiam and I must have offthread communications, and that we're stupid enough to decide off thread to vote the same way within 10 minutes of each other?

I feel like Tiam is likely town, but not to the point where I won't consider a case against him. I see the merit in your accusations re: Tiam, but the whole suggestion that we have offthread comms and then would pull something so ridiculous is kind of silly.

Why did you wait over an hour to vote OL then? And why only vote after Tiam voted, and so quickly? Like I said, it proves nothing, but the interaction between you and Tiam does not look good.

Talk about coming on after the lynch and suddenly casting about. I voted because we needed a lynch and I sure as shit am not going to vote for myself. I find it very very convenient that you suddenly come on and are using Beks posts to set up your next town lynch.

I suspect that scum is either Kesso or alkend. That is where I will most likely be voting today.

Well, Kesso is dead, care to say why me? It'd again be another person on the MO-HO train early, so I'm not sure why you don't like people who voted early on that train...

I wish I could have whittled this down more, but my top three for scum are, in no particular order, Tiam, Denul and Eloth.

[Tiamatha]

Alkend, on 25 March 2014 - 11:22 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 24 March 2014 - 05:57 PM, said:

Okaros, on 24 March 2014 - 05:39 PM, said:

Korabas, on 24 March 2014 - 05:37 PM, said:

Okaros, on 24 March 2014 - 05:28 PM, said:

Also what's the deal with this?

Tiamatha, on 24 March 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

Korabas, on 24 March 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:

Well we've got just under 2 hours left until timeout. Gonna have to make a decision soon if we have any hopes of actually getting a lynch today.

Shit your right.

Well I am not going to vote for myself and since we need a lynch.

Remove vote

Vote Okral Lom

Korabas, on 24 March 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

In the interest of getting a lynch today, and, thus, giving us something to look into if he turns out to be scum:

vote Okral Lom

At least if he comes up scum, we'll have a little more to go on then Monok's 'posts'

Tiam is all over Bek and Kesso until Korabas points out the time on the clock, then Tiam switches to OL and Korabas follows Tiam's vote less than ten minutes later.

I'm not going to speculate too much on mechanics but I would not be surprised if the "three killer" scenario turned into a normal paired-killer role after one of them died...meaning comms. This possibility and the above interaction makes Korabas next on my list after Tiam.

So what you're saying is that Tiam and I must have offthread communications, and that we're stupid enough to decide off thread to vote the same way within 10 minutes of each other?

I feel like Tiam is likely town, but not to the point where I won't consider a case against him. I see the merit in your accusations re: Tiam, but the whole suggestion that we have offthread comms and then would pull something so ridiculous is kind of silly.

Why did you wait over an hour to vote OL then? And why only vote after Tiam voted, and so quickly? Like I said, it proves nothing, but the interaction between you and Tiam does not look good.

Talk about coming on after the lynch and suddenly casting about. I voted because we needed a lynch and I sure as shit am not going to vote for myself. I find it very very convenient that you suddenly come on and are using Beks posts to set up your next town lynch.

I suspect that scum is either Kesso or alkend. That is where I will most likely be voting today.

Well, Kesso is dead, care to say why me? It'd again be another person on the MO-HO train early, so I'm not sure why you don't like people who voted early on that train...

I wish I could have whittled this down more, but my top three for scum are, in no particular order, Tiam, Denul and Eloth.

You are only one vote ahead of me on the MO train. I like how your trying to tie yourself to Beks. I voted for him because he voted for me. That is pretty obvious. As for why I suspect you. That is easy. You have been aggressively voting but not really posting until just now. That is the same reason that I suspect Denul.

[Alkend]

Actually, Denul started the game doing nothing, aggressively posted without voting after I called him out, and now has started following me on my every vote.

Whether he's scum or not, dude's weird.

[Korabas]

Well, let's keep in mind, also, that today is now D-Day because of the modkill. If there were 3 killers, and 1 is down, then we're at 4v2. If we lynch town today, and they kill town tonight, they win.

We need to be VERY careful about how we proceed today!

[Korabas]

I've been looking at Okaros, and so far I haven't found anything terribly scum worthy to him. But I'm going to keep looking just to make sure.

I think it would behoof us to look pretty closely at lynch trains too.

[Alkend]

Denul, on 24 March 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

Whew, made it in time... Of the three up for lynch right now I really don't have a good feel. I haven't payed nearly enough attention to this game.

vote okaral lom

I was going to vote tiam, as I have had suspicions on him early, but as he posts more, I get a more town vibe. That being said, if it's between him and no lynch, ill vote tiam. I don't give much credence to the Bek vote as it looks pretty omgus at this point.


I am in phone, please count vote if it doesn't bold. I am headed back to work, barring anything popping up, I should be around to switch my vote.

Edit: tried to fix bold

With 90 minutes left, Denul comes on and votes Okaral. Tiam gives him a town vibe. So despite the short time frame left, he shifts the vote. That's what Tiam's waiting for and obviously he'd rather not vote himself, so he follows. That makes "to get the lynch" Korabas votes as well.

So Denul hasn't paid enough attention and doesn't have a good feel for the 3 up for lynch. But he has ENOUGH OF A FEEL and ENOUGH TIME to feel that Tiam is town, but somehow Okaral is not?

Even if Denul's barely paying attention, Tiam has to be the more likely lynch to make happen with only 90 minutes left. Is this really town play? Or am I just too sensitive because Denul has bothered me all game?


edit: changed a bunch of pronoun "he" to "denul" because on re-read it was hard to follow who I was talking about.

This post has been edited by Alkend: 25 March 2014 - 02:24 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is day six: 15 Hours 3 minutes remaining

6 players still alive; Alkend, Denul, Eloth, Korabas, Okaros, Tiamatha,

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to night



Players not voted; Alkend, Denul, Eloth, Kessobahn, Korabas, Okaros, Tiamatha,

[Alkend]

Eloth, on 18 March 2014 - 09:55 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Ok, in my re-read this stood out to me. This is the day Galayn Lord was up for lynch, at L-1 actually. Before GL actually did his full reveal, Eloth removes.

This makes me feel he is rather PI. Scum can make statements like "he will probably be inno" or "he strikes me as inno" because they KNOW and will be able to say "i told you so". But because they also want lynches and while town has something to lose if they lynch wrong, scum don't have to worry about that. It's hard to see scum removing here, or at least being the FIRST to remove here.

This makes Eloth look better to me.

[Korabas]

Alkend, on 25 March 2014 - 02:22 PM, said:

Denul, on 24 March 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

Whew, made it in time... Of the three up for lynch right now I really don't have a good feel. I haven't payed nearly enough attention to this game.

vote okaral lom

I was going to vote tiam, as I have had suspicions on him early, but as he posts more, I get a more town vibe. That being said, if it's between him and no lynch, ill vote tiam. I don't give much credence to the Bek vote as it looks pretty omgus at this point.


I am in phone, please count vote if it doesn't bold. I am headed back to work, barring anything popping up, I should be around to switch my vote.

Edit: tried to fix bold

With 90 minutes left, Denul comes on and votes Okaral. Tiam gives him a town vibe. So despite the short time frame left, he shifts the vote. That's what Tiam's waiting for and obviously he'd rather not vote himself, so he follows. That makes "to get the lynch" Korabas votes as well.

So Denul hasn't paid enough attention and doesn't have a good feel for the 3 up for lynch. But he has ENOUGH OF A FEEL and ENOUGH TIME to feel that Tiam is town, but somehow Okaral is not?

Even if Denul's barely paying attention, Tiam has to be the more likely lynch to make happen with only 90 minutes left. Is this really town play? Or am I just too sensitive because Denul has bothered me all game?


edit: changed a bunch of pronoun "he" to "denul" because on re-read it was hard to follow who I was talking about.

The more I'm reading the more I suspect a Tiam/Denul connection, but we'll see.

[Okaros]

Alkend, on 25 March 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Eloth, on 18 March 2014 - 09:55 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Ok, in my re-read this stood out to me. This is the day Galayn Lord was up for lynch, at L-1 actually. Before GL actually did his full reveal, Eloth removes.

This makes me feel he is rather PI. Scum can make statements like "he will probably be inno" or "he strikes me as inno" because they KNOW and will be able to say "i told you so". But because they also want lynches and while town has something to lose if they lynch wrong, scum don't have to worry about that. It's hard to see scum removing here, or at least being the FIRST to remove here.

This makes Eloth look better to me.

Very good point, nice catch. I had forgotten that the modkill now makes this D-Day unless we lynch scum, as Korabas pointed out. Eloth's play so far with Alkend's comment above pretty much clears Eloth for me, if we have one lynch left. It also makes me PI Alkend for some gut reason; he's been making a good case on Denul all game, sometimes more here or there, but I think he's on the level.

I want to quote Bek's last post again:

Bek Okhan, on 24 March 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

I think Denul might well be scum because that's a drive-by vote combined with Tiam has a town vibe! elements.
I don't like Tiam any more than I did before and Okaros worded perfectly why, and Korabas got the OL-Alkend thing wrong. Incidentally , Gusty's list was MO/Tiam/Korabas. I think he'll be 2/3 right, at the least.
Kesso.... Is it bad that I hope for a modkill?

My priority for tomorrow is Tiam, secondary target is Denul.

Ok, let's just all marvel at how brilliantly Tapper laid this out. Kesso was modkilled, just as he predicted/hoped. His top two suspects - first Tiam, then Denul. Only other player he suspects could be scum is Korabas due to GL's case.

I think this, combined with the rest of the cases laid on Tiam and Denul, makes them prime targets. Korabas I think is secondary - if we lynch correctly today and survive, he goes back on the list with whomever we didn't lynch.

So in my mind, I agree totally with Bek. Tiam is priority. Something that always niggled me about Tiam's return is how it went from "I don't give a fuck, do you want my vote?" to the now-helpful townie that doesn't back down under pressure or get overly defensive. He also made a really strong case for Kesso (which I admit, was compelling), but Kesso was basically at modkill at that point and a lynch would have been a waste if any of us besides Eloth was paying attention to the time between Kesso's posts.

I think it was said even in this game (maybe even by Tiam) that the best scum often look like really good town players. I'm not saying all good town players must be scum, but the way Tiam "returned" to the thread seems like a perfect example of this kind of play. My best guess is scum hiding under what looks like good town play after low-posting until we called him on it.

Also, the way Denul derailed the Tiam lynch and gave Tiam the ability to swing it over to OL is still majorly suspicious and implicates both Tiam and Denul (since Denul said he would vote Tiam, the player with the most votes, and then didn't, effectively making the swing possible).

That said, I think I'm going to drop a vote here in a minute, but I do want to revisit the lynch trains first.

[Tiamatha]

Korabas, on 25 March 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

Well, let's keep in mind, also, that today is now D-Day because of the modkill. If there were 3 killers, and 1 is down, then we're at 4v2. If we lynch town today, and they kill town tonight, they win.

We need to be VERY careful about how we proceed today!

Your right today is D - day.

[Tiamatha]

My return has to do with the amount of time at any given day I have to post. It has been like that for years.

[Tiamatha]

Okaros, on 25 March 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Alkend, on 25 March 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Eloth, on 18 March 2014 - 09:55 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Ok, in my re-read this stood out to me. This is the day Galayn Lord was up for lynch, at L-1 actually. Before GL actually did his full reveal, Eloth removes.

This makes me feel he is rather PI. Scum can make statements like "he will probably be inno" or "he strikes me as inno" because they KNOW and will be able to say "i told you so". But because they also want lynches and while town has something to lose if they lynch wrong, scum don't have to worry about that. It's hard to see scum removing here, or at least being the FIRST to remove here.

This makes Eloth look better to me.

Very good point, nice catch. I had forgotten that the modkill now makes this D-Day unless we lynch scum, as Korabas pointed out. Eloth's play so far with Alkend's comment above pretty much clears Eloth for me, if we have one lynch left. It also makes me PI Alkend for some gut reason; he's been making a good case on Denul all game, sometimes more here or there, but I think he's on the level.

Hang on there. We have seen scum avoid killing and make cases on each other. I wouldn't go and clear someone just for removing a vote. Much less clear two people off of that vote removal. If they are both scum then it could easily be one helping to clear the other off of a smart early game play.

[Okaros]

Tiamatha, on 25 March 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

Korabas, on 25 March 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

Well, let's keep in mind, also, that today is now D-Day because of the modkill. If there were 3 killers, and 1 is down, then we're at 4v2. If we lynch town today, and they kill town tonight, they win.

We need to be VERY careful about how we proceed today!

Your right today is D - day.

No...it's only D-Day if we don't lynch scum. BCS, tomorrow is D-Day. WCS, it's today.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day six: 12 Hours 46 minutes remaining

6 players still alive; Alkend, Denul, Eloth, Korabas, Okaros, Tiamatha,

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to night



Players not voted; Alkend, Denul, Eloth, Kessobahn, Korabas, Okaros, Tiamatha,

[Okaros]

Tiamatha, on 25 March 2014 - 03:57 PM, said:

Okaros, on 25 March 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Alkend, on 25 March 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Eloth, on 18 March 2014 - 09:55 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Ok, in my re-read this stood out to me. This is the day Galayn Lord was up for lynch, at L-1 actually. Before GL actually did his full reveal, Eloth removes.

This makes me feel he is rather PI. Scum can make statements like "he will probably be inno" or "he strikes me as inno" because they KNOW and will be able to say "i told you so". But because they also want lynches and while town has something to lose if they lynch wrong, scum don't have to worry about that. It's hard to see scum removing here, or at least being the FIRST to remove here.

This makes Eloth look better to me.

Very good point, nice catch. I had forgotten that the modkill now makes this D-Day unless we lynch scum, as Korabas pointed out. Eloth's play so far with Alkend's comment above pretty much clears Eloth for me, if we have one lynch left. It also makes me PI Alkend for some gut reason; he's been making a good case on Denul all game, sometimes more here or there, but I think he's on the level.

Hang on there. We have seen scum avoid killing and make cases on each other. I wouldn't go and clear someone just for removing a vote. Much less clear two people off of that vote removal. If they are both scum then it could easily be one helping to clear the other off of a smart early game play.

Ok, Tiam, odd post.

First I name you as my prime suspect. But instead of a rebuttal or any sort of defense, you actually go out of your way to NOT mention it and clip it from my quote. Then you say I shouldn't be PI'ing people because they could both be scum... I said Alkend was mostly based on gut reaction, Eloth based on play. You didn't offer any counter-reasons as to why they might be scum or not. And you have not addressed the fact that numerous people have said you are their top lynch target. After you claim that today is D-Day, that is certainly odd - if Alkend and Eloth are scum, you must be town, which means lynching you would lose the game for town. And yet not a single comment on this at all...

Scummy scum is scummy.

[Okaros]

Okaros, on 25 March 2014 - 04:39 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 25 March 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

Korabas, on 25 March 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

Well, let's keep in mind, also, that today is now D-Day because of the modkill. If there were 3 killers, and 1 is down, then we're at 4v2. If we lynch town today, and they kill town tonight, they win.

We need to be VERY careful about how we proceed today!

Your right today is D - day.

No...it's only D-Day if we don't lynch scum. BCS, tomorrow is D-Day. WCS, it's today.

Actually...theoretically I guess, we could lynch scum today and lose a townie at night, making tomorrow 3v1 (assuming 3 scum total), and if town could not decide on a lynch, they could vote for night, making it 2v1 and extending the game another day. Just a thought that occurred to me.

[Denul]

Did a quick read up. with it being 4 vs 2, if we lynch wrong its game over. Should we give any thought to voting night? (i know I know, lynch me now...) It would remove one suspect from our list and doesn't change the fact that we need to make our next lynch correct. At this point we need all 4 of us on the train to lynch scum (barring a distancing vote). If we vote night, we will need 3 on the train, plus we get a whole 36 hours to ferret out the scum. It might be worth considering. Of course the killer could always withhold his kill, but at the least it would buy us some time.

[Okaros]

Denul, on 25 March 2014 - 06:05 PM, said:

Did a quick read up. with it being 4 vs 2, if we lynch wrong its game over. Should we give any thought to voting night? (i know I know, lynch me now...) It would remove one suspect from our list and doesn't change the fact that we need to make our next lynch correct. At this point we need all 4 of us on the train to lynch scum (barring a distancing vote). If we vote night, we will need 3 on the train, plus we get a whole 36 hours to ferret out the scum. It might be worth considering. Of course the killer could always withhold his kill, but at the least it would buy us some time.

This would only be helpful if you, Korabas, or Tiam died at night. Otherwise we just lose a player not under heavy suspicion - i.e., it won't "remove a suspect from our list" - and have really nothing new to go on. If it comes down to it, voting night to get to the final 3 - 2v1 - might be worth it at that point, but until then, yeah, you said it, lynchable suggestion. A timeout is the same as voting night, so if we can't agree on a lynch target by the end of day this will happen anyway. Suggesting it now is pointless as we would lose the rest of the hours in the day (since you said the extra 36 would be beneficial) and probably gain little information. YOU SCUMMY SCUMBUCKET OF SCUM.