[Galayn Lord]

Fascinating reasoning. That would totally make sense given the shock of Hairlock not being roled. Although, you have to account for some town people knowing each other. I was actually starting to wonder if I wasn't the only one who knew someone else and was town. Another problem is that we only see Sorry killing. That seems kind of odd in a triplet killer series. What if it is one killer with several symps (who would be the shadier characters of GOTM without being explicitly identifiable like Hairlock, Lorne, Tays, etc) to help guide the thread away from her. It would allow scum to reach parity faster and make the game more of debate with only one hidden role. And throw in enough he knows him, etc, and you have a debate-fest up the whazzo. Plus, symps don't have to be careful. They can misguide willy-nilly and play crazy like RIs for town.

So to sum of the stream of consciousness, what if it is Sorry and a band of 2-3 sympathizers?

This makes me think MO even stronger. And anyone else who has received no heat whatsoever (I agree that Korbas leaps to mind now). I will go either way today, just so long as we start really grinding these fellows and watching for derailment.

[Bek Okhan]

Galayn Lord, on 19 March 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

Fascinating reasoning. That would totally make sense given the shock of Hairlock not being roled. Although, you have to account for some town people knowing each other. I was actually starting to wonder if I wasn't the only one who knew someone else and was town. Another problem is that we only see Sorry killing. That seems kind of odd in a triplet killer series. What if it is one killer with several symps (who would be the shadier characters of GOTM without being explicitly identifiable like Hairlock, Lorne, Tays, etc) to help guide the thread away from her. It would allow scum to reach parity faster and make the game more of debate with only one hidden role. And throw in enough he knows him, etc, and you have a debate-fest up the whazzo. Plus, symps don't have to be careful. They can misguide willy-nilly and play crazy like RIs for town.

So to sum of the stream of consciousness, what if it is Sorry and a band of 2-3 sympathizers?

This makes me think MO even stronger. And anyone else who has received no heat whatsoever (I agree that Korbas leaps to mind now). I will go either way today, just so long as we start really grinding these fellows and watching for derailment.

Well, I don't look at the story for clues, but for your explanation: Tatts may have selected the second killer as Cotilion possessing Sorry, the third Shadowthrone orchestrating it all.
There's also the three unnamed marines who kill Picker, and are then taken out by Sorry in a scene. Plenty of options for Tatts to work around Sorry even if we lynch the player with her role.

[Galayn Lord]

But an unnamed marine will stand out. And so far everyone appears to have a name.

[Bek Okhan]

Galayn Lord, on 19 March 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

But an unnamed marine will stand out. And so far everyone appears to have a name.

Sure, as a CF it won't work (and no guessing until it happens), but as a story device in kill scenes it will. He has enough freedom to work with there. For the CF, I'm currently a bit lost for names given that Sorry worked on her own in GotM, but maybe all killers are named Sorry and there's Sorry 1-2-3. We'll see, I guess.

[Korabas]

Am reading up and will join the discussion once I've done that.



Just off the top of my head, I'm disappointed we didn't get a lynch, and I think that the Kilava kill was meant to point us at GL today - it seems to me like leaving GL alive makes it seem like he's a scum finder or something of the sort who used his knowledge of who Kilava was to weasel out of the lynch - though I agree with what someone said in that it would have been smarter for scum to leave both GL and Kilava alive. Anyway, as it stands, I consider GL to be VPI. Now, let me finish my catch up!

[Korabas]

As I said previously, I made a mistake on the maths, and admitted to my mistake when I realized it. Furthermore, regards the underlined here:

Bek Okhan, on 19 March 2014 - 09:53 AM, said:

Then later, he gets in a debate with me over math - twice he gets it wrong. Now, I had a little thought about this. After all, when in doubt, take the higher number into account. Korabas twice suggests the math rate of 3 to 1 yet twice fails to calculate it correctly, twice he also doesn't elaborate, and says 3 scum is plenty. It might be, depending on set-up. He doesn't make that connotation.

I said this earlier in the game:

Korabas, on 18 March 2014 - 02:31 PM, said:

Bah, yes, of course you are right. I apologize for doubting your maths sir!

But 4 scum in a 16 player game is still too many unless town has a good number of roles on its side. I suppose that could be possible, but I think it's more likely that it's 3 scum in a 16 player game.

Seems to me like I very clearly made that connotation. Anyway, continued speculation about potential scum roles is a waste of time, as there is no way to know until we've seen inside Spoiler Heaven. In a 16 player town vs scum game, it's either 3 or 4 scum. That's about the best we can guess with any kind of surety. So I'm going to move on from that discussion.

I'd be up for lynching either Tiamatha or Monok Ochem. I think it's suspicious that the lynch swung away from Monok during Day 1, and furthermore, as was pointed out by Bek Okhan (and it hurts my pride to agree with him right now):

Bek Okhan, on 19 March 2014 - 09:53 AM, said:

To support your case on Tiamatha: on day 1, Eloth suggests MO, Rikkter and Lock are roughly equal. Tiam comes on, agrees and votes Lock. Rikkter dies at night. MO lives. Coincidence or set-up by Tiam (and Eloth)?
Equally, it could be scum expects MO to be lynched eventually so not waste a kill on him. After all, even if he is town, we're playing with him included in the numbers but in on-thread presence, we're playing like we're an extra guy down.

I agree that it looks pretty suspicious, but it could be suspicious for either Tiamatha OR Monok Ochem.


That all being said, Monok is more of a non-presence on thread than GL was yesterday before he realized he was about to get lynched. I didn't really like the GL lynch yesterday, even though I voted there when it didn't seem like the lynch was going to go anywhere, and I don't really like the idea of lynching Monok today, as we'd get next to nothing in terms of information from his lynch.

So, to add a little pressure:

vote Tiamatha




EDIT: Changed a him to Monok for clarity

This post has been edited by Korabas: 19 March 2014 - 02:16 PM

[Okaros]

Galayn Lord, on 19 March 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

Fascinating reasoning. That would totally make sense given the shock of Hairlock not being roled. Although, you have to account for some town people knowing each other. I was actually starting to wonder if I wasn't the only one who knew someone else and was town. Another problem is that we only see Sorry killing. That seems kind of odd in a triplet killer series. What if it is one killer with several symps (who would be the shadier characters of GOTM without being explicitly identifiable like Hairlock, Lorne, Tays, etc) to help guide the thread away from her. It would allow scum to reach parity faster and make the game more of debate with only one hidden role. And throw in enough he knows him, etc, and you have a debate-fest up the whazzo. Plus, symps don't have to be careful. They can misguide willy-nilly and play crazy like RIs for town.

So to sum of the stream of consciousness, what if it is Sorry and a band of 2-3 sympathizers?

This makes me think MO even stronger. And anyone else who has received no heat whatsoever (I agree that Korbas leaps to mind now). I will go either way today, just so long as we start really grinding these fellows and watching for derailment.

I've had this exact same thought - Sorry as a lone killer with two symps. The lore of GotM is obviously being played out in scenes in the spirit of the book, not the letter - obviously Sorry doesn't kill Whiskeyjack with Hedge's sharper. So whoever said (Bek?) that a CF of a marine or other Malazan Army (which is what we've seen so far in CFs, scenes, etc) would not prove that the person was not a symp.

I need a little time to read up on the long cases by Alkend and GL, but I did skim them briefly. The first thing that comes to mind is that the Alkend/Denul spat is extremely reminiscent of the argument between Bek/me on day 2. Almost sounds like angry townies going after each other. This is a gut feeling, I haven't done enough looking to say that with total confidence, but it does make sense to me. Because of that, I don't think Alkend is where I want to put my vote at the moment.

Remove Vote

Monok and Tiam are now the lowest posters in the game. Neither have added anything of worth so far; Monok has claimed he was "reading up" several times and never returned to post like he said. Tiam has been on my radar since he suggested the day 1 no-lynch, but since then it's his absence more than anything that makes him suspicious to me.

As for Korabas, definitely a middle of the road player. But, day 1:

Korabas, on 13 March 2014 - 06:58 PM, said:

There's no point in not lynching - we won't get any information if we don't create trains for people to analyze.

I think both current cases suck, but it's getting close-ish to end of Day, and I'm not sure if I'll be around for time out, so I'm just going to go ahead and

vote Monok

This was after GL put the first vote on Monok. If we're looking at paired killers, or a killer with two symps, no scum who knows his master/partner would drop a vote on them on a building train on day 1 and then disappear until after timeout (to counter the WIFOM aspect of this - even if it was distancing and Korabas was lurking but not posting throughout the day, if the train on MO did start to build, he would have to remove his vote to avoid scum lynching scum on day 1, which would be quite suspicious for a day 1 lynch after a train had started to build. So I don't think WIFOM invalidates this). So I think this disassociates Korabas from MO, and MO is definitely coming off as scummy after so much pure bullshit ("I'm going to read up and post") and total absence from the thread.

Also Day 1 (I agree that whoever said day 1 looks to be more important than everyone thought):

Rikkter, on 13 March 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

Of our two options so far, surprisingly Id rather vote MO, if there was anything to it.

for his godawful statement a few posts up I'd vote Silchas

I'll try a reread

Rikkter is willing to vote MO here but eventually votes Lock. I think his most important post was this:

Rikkter, on 13 March 2014 - 08:33 PM, said:

Double post. Hairlock coming ul as RI I think shows we take nothing for granted, its malazan flavour as far as we know all tatts has taken from gotm is the names. Mechanic speculation this early doesn not help us, it helps killers

This is extremely astute I think, and so far CFs and reveals have confirmed this to some degree. People thinking they should be roled when they aren't, speculating on who would be scum based on lore (admittedly I did this above but it's more of a tangential thought than directed play, since we don't know who Tays or Lorn is, or even if they are characters in the game (although I am inclined to think they are)). But Rikkter makes a very good observation, tries to get us to stop speculating, and then dies. I feel like we would have gained a lot from Rikkter being alive right now.

[Okaros]

Korabas, on 19 March 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

As I said previously, I made a mistake on the maths, and admitted to my mistake when I realized it. Furthermore, regards the underlined here:

Bek Okhan, on 19 March 2014 - 09:53 AM, said:

Then later, he gets in a debate with me over math - twice he gets it wrong. Now, I had a little thought about this. After all, when in doubt, take the higher number into account. Korabas twice suggests the math rate of 3 to 1 yet twice fails to calculate it correctly, twice he also doesn't elaborate, and says 3 scum is plenty. It might be, depending on set-up. He doesn't make that connotation.

I said this earlier in the game:

Korabas, on 18 March 2014 - 02:31 PM, said:

Bah, yes, of course you are right. I apologize for doubting your maths sir!

But 4 scum in a 16 player game is still too many unless town has a good number of roles on its side. I suppose that could be possible, but I think it's more likely that it's 3 scum in a 16 player game.

Seems to me like I very clearly made that connotation. Anyway, continued speculation about potential scum roles is a waste of time, as there is no way to know until we've seen inside Spoiler Heaven. In a 16 player town vs scum game, it's either 3 or 4 scum. That's about the best we can guess with any kind of surety. So I'm going to move on from that discussion.

I'd be up for lynching either Tiamatha or Monok Ochem. I think it's suspicious that the lynch swung away from Monok during Day 1, and furthermore, as was pointed out by Bek Okhan (and it hurts my pride to agree with him right now):

Bek Okhan, on 19 March 2014 - 09:53 AM, said:

To support your case on Tiamatha: on day 1, Eloth suggests MO, Rikkter and Lock are roughly equal. Tiam comes on, agrees and votes Lock. Rikkter dies at night. MO lives. Coincidence or set-up by Tiam (and Eloth)?
Equally, it could be scum expects MO to be lynched eventually so not waste a kill on him. After all, even if he is town, we're playing with him included in the numbers but in on-thread presence, we're playing like we're an extra guy down.

I agree that it looks pretty suspicious, but it could be suspicious for either Tiamatha OR Monok Ochem.


That all being said, Monok is more of a non-presence on thread than GL was yesterday before he realized he was about to get lynched. I didn't really like the GL lynch yesterday, even though I voted there when it didn't seem like the lynch was going to go anywhere, and I don't really like the idea of lynching Monok today, as we'd get next to nothing in terms of information from his lynch.

So, to add a little pressure:

vote Tiamatha




EDIT: Changed a him to Monok for clarity

I agree with a lot of this, but I am still torn between Tiam and Monok - they are both playing a bit different but low-posting and making posts that have little analysis or content as well. So I need to read up on these cases before putting a vote down. But I agree we should be pressuring them both. If they don't show up and start talking...that will not sit well with me.

[Okaros]

Bek Okhan, on 19 March 2014 - 08:32 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 18 March 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

There you go. Wrong proof (i would that it had been me who died for him) but sigh. Here's a toast to you bro.

And

Vote Alkend

Ehm. This might be wifom as I will be questioning killer logic, but to me, there's a problem with your vote.
If Alkend is a killer who has been harping on not believing the reveal on thread most vehemently... why would he then off Kilava, in the knowledge that if Kilava was indeed Fiddler, fingers would point at him?

I'm not saying we shouldn't vote Alkend at all, but I do think he's not privy to killer decision making because this course of action exposes him way too much to be an intelligent, careful play. He might still be a symp, of course.

This is just WIFOM, as you said. Maybe Alkend killed Kilava just to get this reaction from you, which is making you lean towards not voting for him. There's no way to know who the killer(s) was/were based on the timing of GL's reveal and then Kilava getting NK'd. There just isn't.

[Tiamatha]

I am on for a bit.

Nice to see that I am under a little suspicion I would have been disappointed had I not been. I haven't really been paying that much attention. I usually don't play anymore mainly because I don't have time.


So if my speed read catch up has been correct. GL is VPI. I find his logic a bit faulty though. Day 1 was a complete shit fest of low posting and nothing to go on. To say that one sentence from me changed a lynch target is stretching things a bit much.


I am sorry but I am busy at work. I hope to have more time later in the day.

[Okaros]

Okral Lom, on 18 March 2014 - 11:14 PM, said:

Okaros, on 18 March 2014 - 11:01 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 18 March 2014 - 10:54 PM, said:

Okaros, on 18 March 2014 - 10:50 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 18 March 2014 - 10:34 PM, said:

Makes sense.

GL, why are you voting Alkend? I know you think they're scummy but you haven't provided any reasoning that I can other than 'they found my extremely suspicious reveal suspicious'.

Let me ask you - why are you defending him?

How am I defending him? By wanting to know why town should be lynching him, as GL so badly wants to do?

I need to revisit this somewhere not on my phone for accuracy, but it looks like you have been agreeing with him over the last hour and it kind of seems like you're defending him instead of letting him speaks for himself.

You realise that I kinda want to know why people are being lynched before I decide whether or not to vote on them, right?

And yes, we did both agree that GL's reveal was off, and said so. We were apparently wrong, but last time I checked, having the same opinion as someone else in the thread is allowed. Besides, if you want to go along that route, why don't we talk about how you and GL are both "agreeing" that myself and Alkend need to be looked into? Now I know I'm town, so I can tell you that after a suspicious reveal, that culminated in GL not getting lynched or otherwise dying (in spite of his constant comments about the imminence of his death) and a townie who was otherwise not under suspicion in any way or making a lot of noise being killed instead, thus magically leaving GL who caused said townie's death as theoretically PI'd, don't you think maybe I've got a right to a bit of suspicion?

I said I would respond to this, and so I will. Back when I said you were defending him, it did seem that way to me. As for why I can be suspicious of you for agreeing with Alkend while I was agreeing with GL, well, you're just going to have to suck that one up. People agree and disagree - sometimes it looks scummy, sometimes not. Alkend was my top target at the moment, so your association with him (in my eyes) made you also a suspect. Also, I would have to go reread the thread, but I can't remember you making many posts with real content. Maybe you did, I'm just saying they did not stick in my mind, and that suggests coasting to me. You obviously can suspect who you want, but I think you are misreading the GL/Kilava situation. At this point I don't think I have more to add.

[Okaros]

Tiamatha, on 19 March 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

I am on for a bit.

Nice to see that I am under a little suspicion I would have been disappointed had I not been. I haven't really been paying that much attention. I usually don't play anymore mainly because I don't have time.


So if my speed read catch up has been correct. GL is VPI. I find his logic a bit faulty though. Day 1 was a complete shit fest of low posting and nothing to go on. To say that one sentence from me changed a lynch target is stretching things a bit much.


I am sorry but I am busy at work. I hope to have more time later in the day.

On day 1, sometimes that's all it takes.

I hope you do have more time later because this is a filler post without content.

[Tiamatha]

Okaros, on 19 March 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 19 March 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

I am on for a bit.

Nice to see that I am under a little suspicion I would have been disappointed had I not been. I haven't really been paying that much attention. I usually don't play anymore mainly because I don't have time.


So if my speed read catch up has been correct. GL is VPI. I find his logic a bit faulty though. Day 1 was a complete shit fest of low posting and nothing to go on. To say that one sentence from me changed a lynch target is stretching things a bit much.


I am sorry but I am busy at work. I hope to have more time later in the day.

On day 1, sometimes that's all it takes.

I hope you do have more time later because this is a filler post without content.

Ahhh if you don't like how much I can post you can lynch me and see what kind of information you can get from my lynch. It won't be much but your welcome to it. I refuse to modkill myself and while I have a couple of minutes to post you get what you get. If you have a problem with that you can

a. Fuck off
b. ask me not to play any more games.

Mainly a.

Have a nice day

[Okaros]

Tiamatha, on 19 March 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Okaros, on 19 March 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 19 March 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

I am on for a bit.

Nice to see that I am under a little suspicion I would have been disappointed had I not been. I haven't really been paying that much attention. I usually don't play anymore mainly because I don't have time.


So if my speed read catch up has been correct. GL is VPI. I find his logic a bit faulty though. Day 1 was a complete shit fest of low posting and nothing to go on. To say that one sentence from me changed a lynch target is stretching things a bit much.


I am sorry but I am busy at work. I hope to have more time later in the day.

On day 1, sometimes that's all it takes.

I hope you do have more time later because this is a filler post without content.

Ahhh if you don't like how much I can post you can lynch me and see what kind of information you can get from my lynch. It won't be much but your welcome to it. I refuse to modkill myself and while I have a couple of minutes to post you get what you get. If you have a problem with that you can

a. Fuck off
b. ask me not to play any more games.

Mainly a.

Have a nice day

Can we officially call Mafia 109 "Gardens of Self-Pity" now? God damn.

[Korabas]

Tiamatha, on 19 March 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Okaros, on 19 March 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 19 March 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

I am on for a bit.

Nice to see that I am under a little suspicion I would have been disappointed had I not been. I haven't really been paying that much attention. I usually don't play anymore mainly because I don't have time.


So if my speed read catch up has been correct. GL is VPI. I find his logic a bit faulty though. Day 1 was a complete shit fest of low posting and nothing to go on. To say that one sentence from me changed a lynch target is stretching things a bit much.


I am sorry but I am busy at work. I hope to have more time later in the day.

On day 1, sometimes that's all it takes.

I hope you do have more time later because this is a filler post without content.

Ahhh if you don't like how much I can post you can lynch me and see what kind of information you can get from my lynch. It won't be much but your welcome to it. I refuse to modkill myself and while I have a couple of minutes to post you get what you get. If you have a problem with that you can

a. Fuck off
b. ask me not to play any more games.

Mainly a.

Have a nice day

[Monok Ochem]

Too many low posters jacking up this game

I apologize for my part, I should have had the wisdom to Just Say No.



Somebody always has to go emo style in the course of every game. It's not going to be me, I assure you.

[Okaros]

Monok Ochem, on 19 March 2014 - 03:52 PM, said:

Too many low posters jacking up this game

I apologize for my part, I should have had the wisdom to Just Say No.



Somebody always has to go emo style in the course of every game. It's not going to be me, I assure you.

Welcome back. Are you able to stick around and explain/talk, or do you have to bail again like Tiam?

[Tiamatha]

Korabas, on 19 March 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 19 March 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Okaros, on 19 March 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 19 March 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

I am on for a bit.

Nice to see that I am under a little suspicion I would have been disappointed had I not been. I haven't really been paying that much attention. I usually don't play anymore mainly because I don't have time.


So if my speed read catch up has been correct. GL is VPI. I find his logic a bit faulty though. Day 1 was a complete shit fest of low posting and nothing to go on. To say that one sentence from me changed a lynch target is stretching things a bit much.


I am sorry but I am busy at work. I hope to have more time later in the day.

On day 1, sometimes that's all it takes.

I hope you do have more time later because this is a filler post without content.

Ahhh if you don't like how much I can post you can lynch me and see what kind of information you can get from my lynch. It won't be much but your welcome to it. I refuse to modkill myself and while I have a couple of minutes to post you get what you get. If you have a problem with that you can

a. Fuck off
b. ask me not to play any more games.

Mainly a.

Have a nice day

No not at all. But when you have a bunch of people who say that they are going to be low posters and you guys beg them to sign up. Then you complain that they low posting. That makes you a dumpass and makes me and I assume other people who can only post a few times a day not want to sign up for another game. So here is an idea. Next time you can't find the people to fill out your game. Don't ask people who say that they would only be able to be low posters to sign up. Then enjoy your game with the 8 players who don't have a fucking life and are able to post all the fucking time. If you want bodies to extend your circle jerk of a game longer for your hand enjoyment then shut the fuck up about peoples participation. Yes scum can hide behind low poster. But hey you know what else scum can hide behind high posting and middle of the road posting fucking posters. So get off your fucking horse you god dam fucking ass monkey. You want to play the fucking game rather then blame everyone else for you 2 inch dick. Go play your Xbox like you usually do. Those of us who work for a fucking living and who have responsibilities are only doing this shit as a fucking favor. Really I don't give a shit anymore.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day three: 17 hours 45 minutes remaining

12 players still alive; Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korabas, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Okral Lom, Tiamatha,

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to night



1 Vote for Kessobahn; (Alkend)
1 Vote for Monok Ochem; (Galayn Lord)
1 Vote for Tiamatha; (Bek Okhan




Players not voted; Ampelas, Denul, Eloth, Kessobahn, Korabas, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Okral Lom, Tiamatha,

[Denul]

Checking in. I don't have much time to post today, and tomorrow will be even worse. RL is rearing its ugly head and there is nothing I can do about it. Apologies.