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#1 User is offline   Tiste Simeon 

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:47 PM

Male? Female? I'm confused! Also, not finished yet so if it is a case of RAFO then please say so and I shall cease questions. Cheers!
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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:04 PM

 Tiste Brent Not Abyss Weeks Simeon, on 10 February 2014 - 05:47 PM, said:

Male? Female? I'm confused! Also, not finished yet so if it is a case of RAFO then please say so and I shall cease questions. Cheers!


It's magic.
God magic.

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:25 PM

My pet theory is that ICE was the one to invent K'rul back when ICE and SE were gaming, and she was female. SE forgot this and made K'rul male in GotM and onwards. So, ICE decided to make a laugh of it by having K'rul become female in OST and hand-wave Antsy and Kiska's confusion away as ooby dooby gods/Azathanai can do what they want magic.

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I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:31 PM

My theory is that the gods appear in the forms that their worshippers perceive them. That's why Mael for example at one point appears as a big blue fish guy.

In the case of K'rul the worshippers in Darujistan at some point probably worshipped him/her as a woman and so that is how he appears. Could also be that a cult sprang up around K'rul where they mistoke him for a female deity and he simply assumed this visage when they were worshipping that deity.
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Posted 10 February 2014 - 10:14 PM

 Maybe Apt, on 10 February 2014 - 06:31 PM, said:

My theory is that the gods appear in the forms that their worshippers perceive them. That's why Mael for example at one point appears as a big blue fish guy.

In the case of K'rul the worshippers in Darujistan at some point probably worshipped him/her as a woman and so that is how he appears. Could also be that a cult sprang up around K'rul where they mistoke him for a female deity and he simply assumed this visage when they were worshipping that deity.

That makes sense. Which is why evil wizard dude (Aman?) has no issues with "her" but some of the others are like "dude, what? Is this just a weekend thing???"
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Posted 10 February 2014 - 10:25 PM

I agree it's about gods w/ many faces -- we also get that image of Olar Ethil once having a face-concealing basket/helmet over her head in some culture. It may also be making a point that when gods manifest themselves, it's often in the guise of an avatar. Which might make Hood's full appearance in TTH that much more special.
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Posted 11 February 2014 - 11:02 AM

I think of K'rul mainly as just a hooded figure anyway. Doesn't particularly matter to me what's under the cloak.

K'rul is an Elder God(dess). He/she can do what she/he damn well wants.
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 06:10 AM

Uh Hey guys just felt maybe this was related so just gonna field the theory in here.

At the end we got T'renn talking to Kruppe in a dreamscape, as far as I know male Krul did that all the time. Its how Kruppe discussed things, I assume Kruppe is in one way or another an ascendant or a high priest-type-thingy connected to the enchantress, krul and burn. Is it possible they are all well one being manifesting in multiple ways at multiple times?

I get the feeling each new age needs a new ascendant to take on the title of "Krul"? hence multiple versions of him/her and Tays new post?
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 05:04 PM

 Dolmen Weeks, on 07 March 2014 - 06:10 AM, said:

Uh Hey guys just felt maybe this was related so just gonna field the theory in here.

At the end we got T'renn talking to Kruppe in a dreamscape, as far as I know male Krul did that all the time. Its how Kruppe discussed things, I assume Kruppe is in one way or another an ascendant or a high priest-type-thingy connected to the enchantress, krul and burn. Is it possible they are all well one being manifesting in multiple ways at multiple times?

I get the feeling each new age needs a new ascendant to take on the title of "Krul"? hence multiple versions of him/her and Tays new post?


K'rul, Burn and the Enchantres are not the same but there may be an overlap in their aspects and how they manifest.

The Enchantress/Queen of Dreams is connected to the House of Life and Dreams and premonition, probably because of some kind of attunement to the Deck of Dragons, which K'rul may or may not have created. Burn is also connected to life, because she is the earth or the planet or even the entire world. It's hard to guess because we don't actually know much about her. K'rul is connected to dreams but that may simply be because of the curse and his weakening forcing the god to work through different channels and having to change his aspect. He is how ever some kind of "god of magic" or a kind of creator/builder, who's work is built upon or linked to the flesh of Burn and he made the warrens as we know them.

I think that T'renn has been chosen to take up the position that K'rul used to have as a kind of God of Magic. Most likely the need for a new god in this position is because of Icariums new warrens, the grandchildren gods emerging and there needing to be somebody to make order and structure out of this organic evolution of magical aspects.

After reading Orb, Scepter, Throne it does indeed seem like Kruppe is an ascendant or at least a kind of magical servant that has performed a role in relation to the rise and fall of the Tyrant for at least two cirkles. I don't think that Kruppe is connected to K'rul and the deck of dragons in any other way than that they see eye to eye and they have a need for one anothers skill or power. More likely, like Grub is the magical manifestation/born avatar of the Bonehunters or the Malazan Army, so is Kruppe a kind of answer to the Tyrant rule. Born to be a jester and probably some kind of avatar of Darujistan.
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Posted 10 August 2014 - 05:37 AM

1. K'rul crated the warrens by himself. After the final one, he went to sleep. Since he woke up, he struggles with his identity (keeping a low profile, hiding behind a mask, sometimes considers himself a woman).
2. How does a mage use his warren? He gains access, builds up energy and releases it on whomever/whatever he needs to.
3. Warrens are not his blood, like some using them would like you to believe, but are his fluid all right.
Conclusion: K'rul created them using his dick.

That, or ICE went full M. Night Shyamalan and confused twists with plot.

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 06:01 AM

Okay I struggled with this book majorly, don't think I paid enough attention, when does K'rul appear!!!
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Posted 26 September 2014 - 06:22 AM

She/He shows up inside K'ruls belfry, the place where the retired Bridgeburners opened a bar.

EDIT: More specifically it is during an attack on the tower.

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 01:16 PM

Theres also a prior scene where K'rul went for gender reassignment therapy.
Around page 356 if I recall.
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Posted 15 December 2014 - 02:30 AM

Actually, K'rul being female fits more in line with that beings role as a nurturer of magic and sort of benign protector.
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Posted 02 March 2015 - 07:23 AM

Whats confusing? K'rul was obviously an Elder Goddess trapped in an Elder Gods body who finally got the operation he/she had been on the waiting list for the last few hundred millenniums.
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Posted 10 March 2020 - 07:23 AM

It's 2020 mate, K'rul can identify as any gender he likes. It's rumoured in the Witness trilogy he appears as a gender fluid pansexual dogkin.
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Posted 10 March 2020 - 08:26 AM

 Fiddler, on 15 December 2014 - 02:30 AM, said:

Actually, K'rul being female fits more in line with that beings role as a nurturer of magic and sort of benign protector.


Interesting thing about this is that in the prologue of Memories of Ice (Join the 2020 Re-read!) K'rul is described as a god that feasts on death and destruction. His worshippers feed him with blood in their temples one assumes. Which is very different from this benevolent architect of fate we see him as in the main Malazan series.
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Posted 10 March 2020 - 12:14 PM

Depends on the worshippers. Fits with the whole bit where controlling the worship of a God can put real restrictions on that God and shape their manifestations.
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